The Glide Path

DoubleLine

The Glide Path is a series of unscripted conversations hosted by Stephen Dopp, a Relationship Manager on DoubleLine's Global Relationship Management team. Guests are pulled from Steve's own network, years in the making: portfolio strategists, CIT architects, fiduciary business builders and other people who spend their careers inside the mechanics of retirement plans.

Episodes

  1. 20h ago ·  Video

    20 Years After the Pension Protection Act | Nevin Adams

    DoubleLine Relationship Manager Stephen Dopp sits down with Nevin Adams, chief advisor strategist at Endeavor Retirement and one of the most trusted independent voices in the retirement industry. Mr. Adams walks through a career that splits into two halves: first working on plans and dealing with participants, then spending the rest of it explaining the laws and regulations behind them so others can do a better job. His stops include the Employee Benefit Research Institute, trade publications PLANSPONSOR and PLANADVISER, and the American Retirement Association. Today, he co-hosts the Nevin and Fred podcast and writes the Tuesday Talking Points Substack. He shares how he stays on top of it all, from litigation trackers to government distribution lists, and admits he was “geeking out” over a fresh Labor Department and Treasury update the previous day. Mr. Adams also shares his views on the industry. Twenty years after the Pension Protection Act, he credits auto enrollment and target-date defaults with transforming participation. But as a retiree himself, he’s wary of defaulting people into products they don’t understand. He says the industry keeps hunting for one-size-fits-all retirement income answers, noting, “If you average the savings of a 20-year-old and the average of savings of a 65-year-old, you’re going to get mush.” He notes that retirement policy is one of the few areas where lawmakers still cross party lines, and on Social Security, he doesn’t mince words: “Somebody needs to rethink the math.” Subscribe to The Glide Path: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music    Speaker Bio: The former Chief Content Officer and Head of Retirement Research for the American Retirement Association, and one of the retirement industry’s most prolific writers, these days Nevin is “retired”, which means he writes less, but continues to keep his eye on developments in, and threats to, the nation’s private retirement system. He’s also the “Nevin” in the Nevin & Fred podcast (along with renowned ERISA attorney Fred Reish), offering irreverent, but relevant perspectives on the critical issues confronting plan sponsors, advisors, and retirement industry professionals. He’s also been the Employee Benefits Research Institute’s Director of Education and External Relations, Co-Director of EBRI’s Center for Research on Retirement Income and Director of the American Savings Education Council, and prior to that spent a dozen years as Global Editor-in-Chief of PLANSPONSOR/PLANADVISER – and was the creator, writer and publisher of PLANSPONSOR.com’s NewsDash – all that after spending about 20 years working in senior retirement plan industry roles. He has been honored three times by the National Association of Government Defined Contribution Administrators (NAGDCA) with their Media Recognition Award (in 2002, 2004 and 2013), and has regularly been noted as one of the Most Influential People in Defined Contribution by the 401kWire, most recently ranked #7 of the top 100. In 2023 his contributions to the nation’s private retirement system were acknowledged with ASPPA’s Harry T. Eidson Founder’s Award, and in 2025 he received the Plan Sponsor Council of America’s Lifetime Achievement Award. He graduated summa cum laude with a BS in Finance from DePaul University in Chicago, Illinois and after a number of years working with retirement plans, also received his JD from DePaul University.

  2. 5d ago ·  Video

    5% Is Normal. The Deficit Isn’t. | Tim Paulson

    Stephen Dopp welcomes back recurring guest Tim Paulson for a reaction to last week’s Federal Reserve pause, recorded on midterm Election Day. Mr. Paulson thinks the federal funds rate gets far too much attention. A December hike has been quietly telegraphed but won’t be the start of a major cycle, as Fed Chairman Kevin Warsh only wants to move from slightly accommodative to slightly restrictive. He reads the two dissents at the last FOMC meeting as a sign of a Fed working the way it used to work, now that forward guidance is fading and markets have to price risk like grown-ups again. The inflation worry, in his view, is sticky wage gains in core gauges, a $2 trillion deficit keeping money in everyone’s hands and an AI buildout that is crowding out demand for chips and energy. On AI, Mr. Paulson says the dot-com era comparison breaks down because today’s companies have real earnings and real demand. It still feels like early innings, and a megacap tech stock’s 12% one-day drop looks more like a twitchy market than a savage earnings report. He also argues 5% long-term yields are historically normal, and that what isn’t normal is a deficit so large that interest costs now exceed military spending. On the midterms, he doesn’t hedge: “If there’s anything that’s more overhyped than the fed funds rate, it’s election outcomes.” Whichever party wins, the fiscal burden won’t change, because both are fighting over who can put a foot on the spending accelerator.

  3. Oct 19 ·  Video

    Distribution Is Still King | Joe Smolen

    Stephen Dopp welcomes Joe Smolen, President of Workplace Solutions at Empower, to The Glide Path. Mr. Smolen has spent 27 years at the same company, starting as a sales rep driving across Iowa when Great-West Financial was the 38th largest of more than 500 recordkeepers. (Great-West rebranded its retirement division as Empower after corporate consolidation in 2014.) Empower is now the second largest recordkeeper, serving about 22 million Americans, and fewer than 80 recordkeepers remain. Mr. Smolen explains how acquisitions got the firm there and why diversifying beyond recordkeeping was essential in a fee-compressed business. On competition, he sees private equity showing up more in advisor and TPA consolidation than in recordkeeping and says fintechs and payroll providers bring great technology but little else: “They have absolutely no distribution. And distribution is still king.” Customer service, not funds or fees, is the No. 1 reason plans switch providers. Mr. Dopp then runs a lightning round on industry trends. Mr. Smolen calls retirement income real but slow to catch on and sees personalized managed accounts as the future. He expects private assets to reach defined contribution plans faster than retirement income has, though daily valuation and liquidity hurdles remain. He believes pooled employer plans are how the industry will absorb a surge of new plans, and that CITs have arrived at every plan size. Mr. Smolen closes with leadership lessons from his father and mentors, and a dream dinner with Jesus, Eric Church and Kansas City barbecue. Subscribe to The Glide Path: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music    Speaker bio: Joe Smolen is President of Workplace Solutions at Empower, where he leads the firm’s workplace business, including 401(k), 403(b), 457, nonqualified, defined benefit, and stock plan services, as well as consumer-directed healthcare plans. He also oversees the teams that partner with Empower’s institutional recordkeeping clients and is responsible for the workplace product organization, including Empower Advisory Group, a registered investment adviser. In this role, Joe has accountability for enterprise strategy and product development, new business acquisition, and overall client satisfaction, retention, and financial performance across all workplace business segments. Joe joined the organization in 1999 and brings more than 25 years of industry experience. Throughout his tenure, he has held a range of sales and leadership roles, contributing to the company’s growth and evolution into a leading retirement and workplace solutions provider. He holds a bachelor’s degree in management from Kansas State University. Joe currently serves as Vice Chair of the boards of the Children’s Diabetes Foundation and the Barbara Davis Center for Diabetes. He also serves on the Limra/LOMA Advisory Board and EAG Board. He has also served on the SPARK Advisory Board and as Chairman of the SPARK Governing Board.

  4. Sep 21 ·  Video

    From RV Salesman to Fintech CEO | Todd Kading

    DoubleLine Relationship Manager Stephen Dopp welcomes his longtime friend Todd Kading, CEO of LeafHouse, to the latest episode of The Glide Path. Mr. Kading shares his path from selling RVs to pay for college to building a massive third-party fiduciary business. He candidly discusses why he left individual financial planning, how managing client behavior took an emotional toll and how that career shift led him to build a scalable retirement platform. Mr. Kading explains how LeafHouse sets itself apart from competitors by using a flexible fiduciary model that allows advisors to customize fund lineups through an internal screening process, eventually growing the business to $23 billion in assets. That same need for flexibility at scale is what pushed LeafHouse to become a technology company in its own right, a shift that culminated this year in selling the fiduciary business and focusing on the technology platform. Mr. Kading closes by discussing CIT Compass, LeafHouse’s newest tool aimed at solving what he sees as a growing consolidation problem in the collective investment trust market, where onboarding complexity is pushing advisers toward just one or two trust providers. Speaker Bio: Todd Kading is a visionary leader with over 25 years of experience driving innovation in the retirement plan industry. He leads strategy, distribution, investments, and product design, establishing LeafHouse as a premier, technology-driven investment manager and fiduciary for retirement plans. He also founded InvestGrade IQ, a tech enabled platform delivering advanced analytics, data aggregation, investment scoring, benchmarking, and practice management tools to streamline communication, provide data-driven insights, and increase automation for the retirement plan network. Todd’s entrepreneurial spirit and commitment to creative disruption drives LeafHouse’s mission to elevate American workers’ financial well-being and address U.S. economic challenges through strategic partnerships. Subscribe to The Glide Path: Apple Podcasts  |  Spotify  |  Amazon Music

  5. Sep 11 ·  Video

    Oil Isn’t the Problem, the Deficit Is | Tim Paulson

    Stephen Dopp welcomes back recurring guest Tim Paulson for another wide-ranging conversation, this time tying together the fallout from the Jackson Hole symposium and Mr. Paulson’s latest essay, “The Wrong End of the Pool.” Mr. Paulson frames Federal Reserve Chairman Kevin Warsh as trying to revive a pre-Global Financial Crisis ethos at the Fed of less forward guidance and a smaller balance sheet, but Mr. Paulson argues the chairman’s hands are tied by a financial system the Fed helped build over the past two decades. Mr. Paulson extends his swimming pool analogy to argue that oil and food prices are inherently volatile and don’t represent genuine long-run inflation, since money spent at the pump is simply redirected away from other goods rather than added to the system. The real driver of sustained inflation is the volume of fiscal spending flooding the economy, something no Fed policy can meaningfully offset. The conversation then turns to whether today’s elevated U.S. Treasury yields represent something abnormal or are simply a return to historical norms after an artificially low-rate era. Mr. Paulson points out that today’s 10-year term premium is actually a bit below its 50- to 60-year historical average, a fact he says gets lost in the recency bias of comparing current yields only to the last 15 years. He’s direct in stating that the fiscal deficit is the real long-term risk to watch, comparing it to handing a college student an uncapped credit card with no annual fee: It feels fine until the bill eventually comes due, and Mr. Paulson expects politicians will only act once markets force their hand. He closes by pushing back on recurring “end of the dollar” narratives, arguing that despite genuine erosion of confidence, no credible alternative reserve currency exists today.   Subscribe to The Glide Path: Apple Podcasts PodBean Spotify Amazon Music   Speaker Bio: Tim Paulson is a fixed income and macro strategist who spent fifteen years at Goldman Sachs — first as a risk-taker in the mortgage department, then in institutional sales working with some of the world’s largest investors — followed by a decade at Lord Abbett as the firm’s primary investment voice, speaking at major conferences and building market frameworks that moved billions in assets. After thousands of conversations with professional investors across his career, Tim has made debunking bad market narratives something of a personal mission. He writes about it at The Paulson Perspective, an independent macro publication built around a simple conviction: most of what gets written about markets is either an oversimplification or a distortion. He hosts Crosswinds, a monthly conversation about the economic and market ideas the consensus gets wrong.

  6. Sep 4 ·  Video

    Why CITs Are Winning in Retirement | Val Ferrara

    DoubleLine Relationship Manager Stephen Dopp welcomes Val Ferrara, known industrywide as the Queen of CITs, to the latest episode of The Glide Path to discuss her nearly two-decade career in the collective investment trust (CIT) industry. Ms. Ferrara details her journey from the iShares team implementing ETFs in 401(k) plans and growing Wilmington Trust’s CIT assets to well over $300 billion to launching her consultancy earlier this year. She makes the case that CITs have surpassed mutual funds as the dominant asset vehicle in retirement plans due to fee flexibility, negotiating power and robust fiduciary oversight. The conversation turns to where CITs may be headed next, including the industry conversation around delivering private assets into defined contribution plans. Ms. Ferrara draws a useful parallel to stable value, a category that has quietly managed a similar liquidity mismatch for decades, as a template for how private assets might find their place in retirement portfolios. The episode closes with Ms. Ferrara sharing the story behind her new book, written after completing a personal goal of running a half-marathon on every continent and visiting all seven wonders of the world. This podcast was recorded August 20, 2026. The views expressed in this episode are Val Ferrara's personal views, based on her experience, as of the recording date, and are for general educational discussion purposes only and do not serve as investment, legal, tax, or other professional advice. References to unaffiliated companies, products, individuals, past roles, or historical performance are illustrative and are not endorsements, recommendations, or representations about their current business, services, investment results, or performance. Any such information may be incomplete or no longer current; listeners should conduct their own independent review before making decisions.   Speaker Bio: Val Ferrara is the founder of Queen of CITs, LLC, an independent consultancy that helps asset managers expand and deepen their relationships in the retirement advisor-sold market — mapping the CIT competitive landscape and pricing strategy, managing RFP processes with third-party trustees, navigating Declarations of Trust and crafting CUSIP eligibility requirements, delivering ERISA and CIT education, and sharpening asset managers' sales and marketing collateral. She maintains a national network across retirement aggregator CIOs, investment committees, and influential plan advisors — relationships that surface market intelligence and product feedback for the managers she works with. Val has nearly twenty years in the defined contribution market. At Great Gray Trust Company, formerly Wilmington Trust, she helped pioneer the distribution team covering national sales as the firm's sub-advised CIT business grew from $10 billion to $190 billion over nine years, expanding from 10 asset managers to more than 70. She later served as Director of Sales at SEI, where she helped boutique asset managers understand the retirement market. Earlier in her career she spent seven years on BlackRock's defined contribution distribution team, spanning sales across their CIT, ETF, and mutual fund business. Val holds a registered trademark, Fearless with Positive Energy® — a mantra she promotes carrying into and out of every room. She is the author of 7 Life Lessons + 1: Inspirational Reflections After Traveling the Seven Wonders of the World, available on Amazon, written with thought-provoking questions meant to engage both the reader and listener. When she's not making CITs reign, Val enjoys traveling, yoga, and Broadway. She has run a half-marathon on every continent and explored the Seven Wonders of the World; her next adventure is hiking every U.S. National Park — 17 down, many more to go.

  7. Sep 2 ·  Video

    The Fed’s Broken Knob | Tim Paulson

    DoubleLine Relationship Manager Stephen Dopp welcomes Tim Paulson, author of The Paulson Perspective and a 25-year Wall Street veteran, for the inaugural episode of The Glide Path. The conversation centers on Mr. Paulson’s recent essay arguing that the Federal Reserve’s obsession with the overnight rate is outdated. His core point is that the economy has fundamentally changed since the framework was built. Corporations now fund capex through cash flow and equity rather than bank debt, and most homeowners locked in low fixed mortgage rates years ago, making both groups far less sensitive to small moves in the federal funds rate. Mr. Paulson draws a sharp distinction between the fed funds rate, which he calls a broad thermostat for the economy, and the Fed’s separate systemic stabilization tools. He argues that conflating the two, as markets did during the 2023 regional bank failures, creates unnecessary panic and confused policy expectations.   The conversation then turns to housing affordability, which Mr. Paulson calls a supply problem being incorrectly treated as a rate problem. On private credit, he traces today’s growth back to post-2008 bank regulation that pushed lending risk outside the banking system entirely. He’s direct about a mismatch emerging between long-duration private-credit assets and increasingly retail-oriented, liquidity-seeking capital. He also pushes back firmly on the idea that the absence of daily mark-to-market pricing is a genuine feature rather than a source of hidden risk. Transparency, not the illusion of stability, is what protects investors during periods of stress.   The episode closes on the fiscal deficit, which Mr. Paulson frames as a real but unpredictable risk, one that markets will tolerate right up until they don’t. He expects inflation to stay uncomfortably elevated as debt servicing costs increasingly compete with the disinflationary gains many are hoping AI productivity will deliver.   Speaker Bio: Tim Paulson is a fixed income and macro strategist who spent fifteen years at Goldman Sachs — first as a risk-taker in the mortgage department, then in institutional sales working with some of the world’s largest investors — followed by a decade at Lord Abbett as the firm’s primary investment voice, speaking at major conferences and building market frameworks that moved billions in assets.   After thousands of conversations with professional investors across his career, Tim has made debunking bad market narratives something of a personal mission. He writes about it at The Paulson Perspective, an independent macro publication built around a simple conviction: most of what gets written about markets is either an oversimplification or a distortion. He hosts Crosswinds, a monthly conversation about the economic and market ideas the consensus gets wrong.

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The Glide Path is a series of unscripted conversations hosted by Stephen Dopp, a Relationship Manager on DoubleLine's Global Relationship Management team. Guests are pulled from Steve's own network, years in the making: portfolio strategists, CIT architects, fiduciary business builders and other people who spend their careers inside the mechanics of retirement plans.

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