The Real Wine Show

The Real Wine Show
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"Where wine insiders come to play!" We bring together winemakers, importers, sommeliers, and retailers for something you won't find anywhere else in wine media: a live, social recording session that's equal parts industry insider access and genuine good time. Through a blind tasting built around emotion, a round of challenging wine news, and conversation that ranges from deeply geeky to flat-out funny, the show opens wide the door to the wine world — no pretense required.

  1. You Can't Say That! How Wine Words Turn Off Younger Drinkers (S8 E3)

    APR 11

    You Can't Say That! How Wine Words Turn Off Younger Drinkers (S8 E3)

    Champagne Semantics, Vibe Vocabulary, and Howell Mountain Vineyards Zin Pairing on The Real Wine Show (S8E3) In episode three of season eight of The Real Wine Show, the hosts thank sponsor Gabriel Group (gabrielgrp.com) and introduce panelists Arturo (Mexico-born wine enthusiast pursuing WSET Level 3 with the hot take that there’s no bad champagne), Taylor Johnson (wine director/sommelier in Ann Arbor who rejects seasonal drinking), and journalist/filmmaker Mark Kurlyandchik (arguing wine jargon turns off new drinkers).  In glass checks they discuss Lambrusco, a white Châteauneuf-du-Pape, and a Côte des Bar vintage Champagne. A debate explores replacing technical wine terms with “vibe vocabulary,” emphasizing meeting drinkers where they are while preserving expertise. Another story covers biodynamics and EMF-shielding products, leading to discussion of spirituality, labeling, and consumer information. Wine Cipher and an emotive blind tasting follow, plus Chef Jason Berthold’s Grape to Plate pairing a 2019 Howell Mountain Vineyards Zinfandel with charcoal-grilled dry-aged ribeye, beef-tallow potatoes, and black-garlic chimichurri; the blind wine is revealed as 2019 Von Winning Sauvignon Blanc, and Arturo wins the game! 00:00 Welcome and Sponsor 01:10 Meet Arturo Champagne Take 03:49 Meet Taylor No Seasons 06:44 Meet Mark Storytelling 09:04 Glass Check What’s Pouring 12:52 Vibe Versus Vocabulary 22:18 Biodynamics and Spirituality 31:04 Wine Cipher Tasting Game 35:55 Grape to Plate Setup 36:46 Color and Aromatics 37:26 Tannin and Fruit Structure 38:18 Red Wine Temperature Talk 40:47 Grill Pairing Vision 41:40 Dry Aged Beef Breakdown 44:17 Salt and Seasoning Sidebar 46:04 Wine Opens Up Notes 47:26 Black Garlic Chimichurri 50:19 Bottle Reveal Zinfandel 52:21 Live Fire Cooking Hack 53:37 Emotive Blind Tasting Returns 58:57 Reveal Von Winning Sauvignon 59:44 Wines of the Show and Wrap Thanks for listening, and be sure to Like, Follow, & Subscribe, please! It really helps! :)

    1h 2m
  2. The Future of Michigan Wine & The "Third Wave" of Viticulture (S8 E2)

    APR 5

    The Future of Michigan Wine & The "Third Wave" of Viticulture (S8 E2)

    Stop playing it safe—it's time for Michigan to find its unique identity through small, thoughtful production. The "Grape to Plate" segment is a masterclass on slow-rendering duck breast with lavender, and we learn the tells of "tasting room theatre". In episode two of season eight of The Real Wine Show, hosts Chaad Thomas and Matt Kuhr announce show sponsor Gabriel Group (www.gabrielgrp.com) and introduce panelists Alan Collins (Michigan vineyard project advocating risk-taking for a uniquely Michigan wine identity), wine traveler/judge Bobby Frank, and chef/winemaker Jason Berthold (promoting aging high-acid white wines). They discuss three news topics: billionaire winery acquisitions and their impact on wine’s “soul,” proposed 2026 U.S. ingredient-label transparency and consumer reactions to additives, and AI-driven wine recommendations in tasting rooms versus human sommeliers. During glass checks they taste wines including aged Muscadet and other bottles. The new “Grape to Plate” segment sees Chef Jason conjure a slow-rendered duck breast and swiss chard pan sauce from blind tasting a 2022 Famille Gras Côtes du Rhône. The show includes a Wine Cipher game, the popular emotive blind tasting (revealed as an Italian Ciliegiolo), and ends with Jason taking home the prize! 00:00 Welcome and Sponsor 01:05 Meet Alan Collins 03:42 Meet Bobby Frank 06:02 Meet Chef Jason 07:27 Glass Check 09:54 Billionaires Buying Wineries 15:51 Ingredient Label Transparency 21:14 AI Sommelier Debate 27:28 Grape to Plate Pairing 37:27 Duck Resting Plan 37:49 Chard Wine Pan Sauce 38:41 Jam And Duck Sauce 39:42 Wine Reveal Cote Du Rhone 41:51 Practical Hack: Low And Slow 42:44 Blind Notes Game Begins 42:54 Big Red Guess Chateau Pavie 45:39 Second Cipher Debate 49:56 Riesling Notes Too Easy 52:43 Glass Check #2 55:13 Michigan Wine Collaborative Events Update 56:33 Emotive Blind Tasting 01:03:12 Reveal Italian ciliegiolo 01:05:15 Favorite Wines And Scores 01:07:50 Final Wrap And Thanks May is Michigan Wine Month: Visit www.michiganwinecollaborative.com for event details.

    1h 8m
  3. Does France still matter: The Judgement of Paris at 50 (S8 E1)

    MAR 27

    Does France still matter: The Judgement of Paris at 50 (S8 E1)

    Fifty years after the Judgment of Paris, is the wine world ready for another revolution? The panel dishes on world class Oregon Chardonnay, the chef dishes up buttery roasted oyster with hijiki seaweed, and we get into the growing movement for "Honest Wine" and label transparency, and why, despite the buzz, non-alcoholic wine stills falls short. Season 8, Episode 1 of The Real Wine Show opens by thanking sponsor The Gabriel Group (www.gabrielgrp.com), a Midwest hospitality equipment supplier with showrooms and test kitchens.  The panel introduces Rebecca Waldron (Bush’s beer/wine/spirits buyer and Michigan Craft Beverage Council member), Dr. Matthew Horkey (wine writer and YouTuber), and Domenico “Mimmo” Musumeci (West Michigan farmer-winemaker behind wine projects including Wine Pirati, emphasizing transparency and ingredient labeling).  They debate whether the old world–new world rivalry still matters ahead of the Judgment of Paris 50th anniversary, discuss sommelier culture and blind tasting, and assess expensive no/low-alcohol wines. The group tastes wines including a Riesling pét-nat made with West Michigan oak barrels.   On Grape to Plate,  Chef Jason pairs an Abruzzo sparkling blend with aromatically baked oysters and hijiki-butter.  Segments include a “wine cipher” game, an emotive blind tasting revealed as Amarone, Michigan wine event announcements, the Glass Check, Grape to Plate, and Rebecca winning the episode scoring. 00:00 Season Eight Kickoff 00:15 Sponsor Spotlight: Gabriel Group 01:12 Meet Rebecca Waldron 02:05 Currant Flavor Debate 03:16 Meet Matthew Horkey 04:04 Oregon Chardonnay Case 05:20 Meet Domenico "Mimmo" Musumeci 06:41 Honest Wine Transparency 09:30 News Segment Begins 09:42 Judgment of Paris Revisited 10:32 French Versus American Today 16:23 Glass Check  17:37 Michigan Oak Barrels 20:09 Sommelier Reality Show Talk 24:57 Blind Tasting Mythology 28:59 Luxury Non Alcohol Wines 35:33 Low Alcohol Alternatives 36:57 Michigan Wine Month Events 38:12 Dates and Show Notes 38:36 Grape to Plate w/ Chef Jason Berthold 39:58 Texture and Pairing Ideas 42:22 Oyster Pairing Blueprint 45:49 Hijiki Butter Broiled Oysters 48:10 Wine Reveal and Wrap 51:25 Wine Cipher Funky Note 54:59 Cipher Redemption Round 57:13 Emotive Blind Tasting Game 01:04:09 Blind Wine Reveal: Musella Amarone 01:05:35 Wine of the Show, Final Scores, and Farewell

    1h 8m
  4. Is the "Luxury" Wine Market a Myth? & The Truth About Restaurant Markups S7 E6

    11/16/2025

    Is the "Luxury" Wine Market a Myth? & The Truth About Restaurant Markups S7 E6

    The panel debates whether "Luxury Wine" is a real quality tier or just a marketing construct used to justify high prices. Plus, industry insiders Jarred Gild, Nick Arone, and Jarett Coy pull back the curtain on how restaurants determine wine list markups and the reality of selling high-end bottles in a changing market. For the season 7 finale (and our 63rd episode!), we grabbed three of the coolest cats on Detroit's progressive wine scene and basically asked them to spill the tea (or, you know, the skin-contact orange wine). Get ready to meet the panel: Jarred Gild: This OG Detroit tastemaker has been ahead of the curve forever. His pioneering wine vision is the secret sauce behind iconic spots like Western Market, Stadt Garden, Pash & Glou, The Schvitz, and the legendary Dakota Inn. Seriously, he's the map to Detroit natural wine history. Nick Arone: The guy who made a splash the moment he rolled into town! Originally from sunny California and rocking a cocktail background, Nick pivoted to pure wine passion and opened Bar Chenin—the super-chic wine haven inside the Siren Hotel. He's got some serious chops with wine, and he serves up some mean sandwiches, too! Jarett Coy (a.k.a. Vino in Detroit): If you're into Detroit's natural wine movement, you already follow this guy! Jarett's Instagram is your pocket guide to the city's best sips and bites, featuring interviews and explorations across the D. Like Gild, he's also a returning guest on the show; will their experience be the advantage that nets one of them the win? What did we talk about? Oh, just everything! We dove deep on topics ranging from: Why the venerable German Wine Queen competition could be the model for a signature Michigan wine event. Is Pet-Nat the perfect "gateway wine" for your White Claw-loving friends? (Spoiler: Maybe!) The imminent proletarian wine revolution! Rise up and drink the riesling, comrades! Join us for guaranteed laughs, some seriously hot tips on what you need to be drinking right now, and the kind of deeply geeky wine talk that makes you feel smarter and makes your life better. Don't miss this one! Tune in, have a listen, and if you love the episode, do us a solid: Like, follow, or subscribe! Your support keeps the good juice—and the good content—flowing! Cheers! Catch us on Instagram at @therealwineshow

    1h 10m
  5. The "Fine Wine" Identity Crisis & The Secrets of Mezcal Production S7 E5

    11/10/2025

    The "Fine Wine" Identity Crisis & The Secrets of Mezcal Production S7 E5

    Is the term "Fine Wine" losing its meaning in a market flooded with luxury marketing? Why Australian wines are still MIA in the American market, a debate the future of wine classification, and a deep dive into the traditional world of Mezcal and agave spirits. S7 E5 is, as we say in the podcast biz, a meaty one, ranging from '90s pop movie references to a groundbreaking, highly technical, wine salvage technique, and onto practical suggestions on how to choose a spouse! We also taste wines from Italy, Georgia, and Australia...and opine on what happened to the latter in the USA market. Our panelists for all this fascinating discussion are Cody Formisano of York, and Ann Arbor wine bar and retail spot; Pedro San Antonio, a longtime wine enthusiast and literature prof from Henry Ford Community College; and distiller and winemaker David Landrum, founder of Detroit's first post-Prohibition distillery, Two James. It's a show we know you'll love, and we sincerely appreciate your audience! Please let us know if you enjoyed listening with a heart, like, follow or subscription; the feedback helps us continue to bring you this kind of unique, wine content. You can listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Amazon Music, or your preferred podcast source. You can listen and watch on YouTube, and keep up with our schedule and happenings on Instagram, at @therealwine show. Thank you and enjoy!

    1h 3m
  6. The "California Wine" Identity Crisis & The Secrets of Sustainable Viticulture (S7 E4)

    11/05/2025

    The "California Wine" Identity Crisis & The Secrets of Sustainable Viticulture (S7 E4)

    This episode we ask, is California wine facing a permanent shift in consumer perception, or is it just a temporary slump? Is Veuve Clicquot missing out on Michigan? A debate over the future of domestic wine production, and exploration of the real-world impact of sustainable and regenerative farming on the juice in your glass. The diversity of perspectives on the wine industry is something we love most about the business and something we want most to share with others, so we're extremely delighted to bring this group to the mics! Emily, who as the Executive Director of the Michigan Wine Collaborative, is working not only on the marketing side, but also working closely with producers. Kaira represents the consumer facet, running a wine social club that not only drinks wine, but gets members out in the world to visit wineries, explore dining, and really engage with the lifestyle of wine. Mike owns M4 Distributing, a speciality wine wholesaler focused on natural/organic wines supplying top restaurants and shops across Michigan. Distributors are a critical link in the chain from producer to consumer in 3-tier states like Michigan, so their unique perspective literally shapes what's available. We had a great chat, filled with humor and insight, and think you'll enjoy these three as much as we did! Thanks for listening in!

    1h 33m
  7. Is Natural Wine Becoming Too Corporate? & The Future of Wine Tourism (S7 E3)

    10/31/2025

    Is Natural Wine Becoming Too Corporate? & The Future of Wine Tourism (S7 E3)

    Has the "Natural Wine" movement lost its rebellious soul to corporate investment and mass marketing? Join guests Chris Hunter, Kassy Fifer, and Kristie Brablec as they debate the commercialization of low-intervention wine and explore how modern wine tourism is shifting toward authentic, farm-to-table experiences. Chris Hunter is well known not only to regular listeners, but also wine-loving travelers through Detroit's Metro airport, where he's been an outstanding presence at wine bar Vino Volo. Kassy is someone you'll love meeting, as her confidence, sportsmanship, and good humor clearly mark her as a force to be reckoned with, and her soon-to-open Bay City wine bar, Calypso, will certainly be a must-visit, too. And returning to the panelist table is our very own, spunky and irreverent co-host, Kristie Brablec, who stepped up to fill in for a guest who left us in the lurch. She does it all for you, dear listeners! So yeah, lots of energy, thoughtful provocation, and laughs in this one; you might not even notice you're learning stuff about the wonderful world of wine, it's so much fun! Set the cruise control or pull up a chair, crank the volume, and enjoy a full 1 hour episode of engaging wine talk! Please Like and subscribe, and follow us on Instagram at @therealwineshow. Your support means a lot to us. Thanks!

    1h 19m
  8. Is Bordeaux Finally Hip Again? & The "New School" of American Import Trends (S7 E2)

    10/18/2025

    Is Bordeaux Finally Hip Again? & The "New School" of American Import Trends (S7 E2)

    Is the "old guard" of Bordeaux finding its way into the glasses of a younger, more adventurous generation? Join our panel as they debate the modernization of classic regions, reveal what’s actually driving the "new school" of American wine imports today, and get a first taste of the new Thomas Acker wines! We're back in Grand Rapids, Michigan, for episode 2 of season 7, graciously hosted by Good Good Good Wine & Flowers. Owners Kyle and Sam run this supercool wine bar and retail shop on Plainfield Ave. NE; stop in if you're town, but be sure to check 'em out and give them a follow on Instagram at @goodgoodgoodgr, too. Kyle also joined our discussion panel, alongside Jaime Haener of wine wholesale distributor AHD Vintners, and Nadim Audi of the acclaimed wine import company Selection Massale. Their conversation was friendly, witty, and disarmingly open, highlighting why we brought the show to GR in the first place: it's a community of terrific wine enthusiasts! Our panelists strategically deciphered the Wine Cipher segment, and easily saw through what we thought were cleverly deceptive, fake wine news stories. You'll also meet Tom Cariano, the winemaker of new, northern Michigan winery, Thomas Acker Wines. One of his wines was tasted blind by the panelists, and you'll love to hear what they thought of it! Settle in and enjoy the discussion, and don't be shy to laugh out loud with us. It's a full 1hr 9mins of quality entertainment. Thanks for listening, and please Like and follow our channel. Please also follow us on Instagram at @therealwineshow.

    1h 10m
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"Where wine insiders come to play!" We bring together winemakers, importers, sommeliers, and retailers for something you won't find anywhere else in wine media: a live, social recording session that's equal parts industry insider access and genuine good time. Through a blind tasting built around emotion, a round of challenging wine news, and conversation that ranges from deeply geeky to flat-out funny, the show opens wide the door to the wine world — no pretense required.

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  • Creator
    The Real Wine Show
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    65
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © The Real Wine Show
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