The History-Politics Podcast: Putting the Past to Work

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"The History-Politics Podcast: Putting the Past to Work" connects past to present, using historical analysis and context to help guide us through modern issues and policy decisions. Then & Now is brought to you by the UCLA Luskin Center for History and Policy. This podcast is produced by David Myers and Roselyn Campbell, and features original music by Daniel Raijman.

  1. 2D AGO

    The Law and Politics of the Federal Assault on Higher Education: The Pasts and Futures of Higher Education

    Host David Myers welcomes legal scholar Joseph Fishkin to discuss the present and future of higher education amid growing federal pressure on universities. Fishkin’s work spans constitutional law, inequality, and equal opportunity. Fishkin explains that law and politics are inseparable: while law operates as a specialized language with its own norms, it is always shaped by political context. Recent trends at the Supreme Court of the United States suggest courts may uphold controversial outcomes through strained reasoning, raising questions about whether legal norms can meaningfully constrain political power. Fishkin highlights an unprecedented recent federal strategy of using research funding as leverage, where grant cancellations and civil rights settlements are used to pressure universities to change hiring, admissions, and faculty decisions. Because universities fear retaliation, many hesitate to sue, though institutions like Harvard University and faculty-led groups have challenged these actions, with courts sometimes blocking grant cancellations, especially when First Amendment claims are involved. Fishkin also discusses the aftermath of the 2024 pro-Palestinian encampment protests at UCLA, where a lawsuit alleged that Jewish students were excluded from campus spaces. UCLA quickly settled, likely to reduce conflict, but Fishkin argues the decision backfired by inviting further federal scrutiny and financial penalties while forfeiting the chance to build a stronger factual defense. As a Jewish faculty member who passed the encampment daily, Fishkin observed disruption but did not witness antisemitic exclusion, emphasizing a significant gap between lived reality and media-driven narratives. Viral videos and political rhetoric helped shape public perception, fueling lawsuits and federal intervention despite incomplete or misleading evidence. He concludes by reflecting on a broader crisis of truth in American politics, where false or exaggerated claims can influence public policy. Joseph Fishkin is a Professor of Law at UCLA School of Law, where he teaches and researches a wide range of topics, including employment discrimination law, election law, constitutional law, education law, fair housing law, poverty and inequality, and distributive justice. Before joining the UCLA faculty he taught for a decade at the University of Texas School of Law, where he was the Marrs McLean Professor in Law; he was also a visiting professor at Yale Law School. Fishkin received his B.A. in Ethics, Politics, and Economics, summa cum laude, at Yale, his J.D. at Yale Law School, and his D. Phil. In Politics at Oxford, where he was a Fulbright Scholar. Fishkin’s latest book, The Anti-Oligarchy Constitution: Reconstructing the Economic Foundations of American Democracy (with Willy Forbath), was recently published by Harvard University Press. His first book, Bottlenecks: A New Theory of Equal Opportunity, winner of the North American Society for Social Philosophy Book Award, was published by Oxford University Press. His writing has also appeared in various publications including the Columbia Law Review, the Supreme Court Review, the Yale Law Journal, and NOMOS. He also blogs at Balkinization.

    44 min

  2. FEB 18

    Higher Education in Peril: The Pasts and Futures of Higher Education

    As part of our series devoted to the pasts and futures of higher education in the United States, this conversation, hosted by LCHP Director David Myers, features Princeton sociologist Kim Lane Scheppele alongside legal scholars Ariela Gross from UCLA and Nomi Stolzenberg from USC to discuss an escalating war on universities by the Trump administration. Scheppele frames the assault as a distinctly modern autocratic strategy: not bullets, but budgets that target elite institutions to seek ideological conformity, weaken leadership, and force anticipatory compliance. Drawing on her experience living in Hungary under Viktor Orbán, she identifies an authoritarian playbook that pairs fiscal strangulation with autocratic legalism, the repurposing of law to anti-democratic ends, while leveraging accusations to mask or legitimize discriminatory and coercive governance. Gross emphasizes how long-standing right-wing projects, especially attacks on DEI, are being accelerated through institutional bargaining (for example, over withheld scientific funding) while trading away racial and gender justice infrastructure. Stolzenberg adds a longue durée account of U.S. conservative opposition to the modern university, highlighting theological currents that cast universities as battlegrounds in a moral struggle over national identity.  Kim Lane Scheppele is the Laurance S. Rockefeller Professor of Sociology and International Affairs in the Princeton School of Public and International Affairs and the University Center for Human Values at Princeton University. She is also a faculty fellow at the University of Pennsylvania Law School. Her book, Legal Secrets,won Special Recognition in the Distinguished Scholarly Publication competition of the American Sociological Association as well as the Corwin Prize of the American Political Science Association. Ariela Gross is a Distinguished Professor of Law and History at UCLA and teaches Contract Law, Constitutional Law, Enslavement and Racialization in U.S. Legal History, as well as other courses on race and legal history. Gross is the author of Becoming Free, Becoming Black: Race, Freedom, and Law in Cuba, Virginia, and Louisiana, with Alejandro de la Fuente (Cambridge UP 2020) and What Blood Won’t Tell: A History of Race on Trial in America (Harvard UP 2008). Nomi M. Stolzenberg is the Nathan and Lilly Shapell Chair in Law at the USC Gould School of Law. Her research spans a range of interdisciplinary interests, including law and religion, law and liberalism, law and psychoanalysis, and law and literature. Stolzenberg’s scholarly publications include the frequently cited “The Profanity of Law”. With David N. Myers, she has published American Shtetl: The Making of Kiryas Joel, a Hasidic Village in Upstate New Yo

    1h 9m

  3. FEB 4

    Why Does US-Iran Hostility Persist?

    In this episode of The History-Politics Podcast: Putting the Past to Work, host David Myers speaks with Dalia Dassa Kaye on why U.S.–Iran relations constitute the longest-running hostility in American foreign policy. Dalia argues that while Iranian actions and the regime’s post-1979 anti-American ideology are central to the conflict, U.S. policy narratives have also played a decisive role. Repeatedly framing Iran as a permanent rogue state has narrowed the American policy imagination, raised the domestic political costs of engagement, and foreclosed opportunities to test alternative approaches. Across administrations, Republican and Democratic alike, there has often been strategic interest in easing hostility, yet entrenched discourse, fear of appearing “soft,” and political risk have consistently blocked change. Dr. Kaye emphasizes that trauma from the 1979 hostage crisis alone cannot explain policy rigidity, noting moments such as Iran-Contra and post-9/11 cooperation that reveal recurring, if fragile, openings shaped by strategic necessity. Turning to recent developments, she traces today’s accelerated escalation to the U.S. withdrawal from the nuclear deal, the regional consequences of October 7th, and the June 2025 Israel–Iran confrontation, arguing that these events fundamentally altered deterrence attempts without producing clear paths to stability. Dr. Dalia Dassa Kaye is a senior fellow at the UCLA Burkle Center for International Relations and director of its Initiative on Regional Security Architectures. A life member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Dalia is an internationally recognized expert on geopolitics and Middle East policy. She has received numerous awards and held previous positions at an array of research and public policy institutions, including as a Fulbright Schuman visiting scholar at Lund University. She is the author of dozens of articles and policy reports, as well as three books, including most recently Enduring Hostility: The Making of America’s Iran Policy (Stanford University Press, 2026).

    51 min

  4. JAN 21

    The Living Legacy of the Grateful Dead

    In this episode, host David Myers interviews Jim Newton, renowned political journalist and UCLA lecturer, on his recent book on musician Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead, the iconic American band.  Newton reflects on his personal and professional pathway to writing about the Dead. He traces his first serious recognition of “Deadhead culture” to the 1982 US Festival, where the band’s community stood out sharply against the broader music landscape. The conversation emphasizes the Dead’s “unique alchemy”: a convergence of Bay Area time and place, the improvisational ethos, the band’s eclectic musical catalogue, and the formative social experimentation of the Acid Tests. Newton argues that the band’s unusually porous relationship with its audience, rooted in these early LSD gatherings where the Dead were not the central attraction, helped produce a distinctive form of loyalty and collective identity that endured long after the scene expanded beyond its intimate origins. Newton frames the Dead as culturally radical but not conventionally political, aligning the band more with a bohemian ethic of lived values than an evangelical politics of persuasion. The Dead, Newton suggests, modeled community, freedom, and “collective bliss” as a refuge in both the late 1960s and the Reagan-era 1980s. Turning to Jerry Garcia, Newton offers a sober epitaph: an obsessive musical genius with vast curiosity and a deep resistance to responsibility, ultimately undone by addiction and isolation. Yet the episode closes on the enduring afterlife of the Dead through successor acts and cover bands, arguing that the phenomenon persists because it meets persistent social needs that are captured, for Newton, most powerfully in the song “Ripple.” Jim Newton is a veteran journalist, author and teacher. In 25 years at the Los Angeles Times, Newton worked as a reporter, editor, bureau chief, columnist and, from 2007 through 2010, editor of the editorial pages. He is the recipient of numerous national and local awards in journalism and participated in two staff efforts, coverage of the 1992 riots and the 1994 Northridge Earthquake, that were awarded the Pulitzer Prize. Newton began working at UCLA full-time in early 2015, teaching in Communication Studies and Public Policy and founding Blueprint, a new UCLA magazine addressing the policy challenges facing California and Los Angeles in particular. He serves as the magazine’s editor-in-chief. Newton also is a respected author of important works of history including Justice for All: Earl Warren and the Nation He Made, Eisenhower: The White House Years, Worthy Fights: A Memoir of Leadership in War and Peace, and his 2020 release Man of Tomorrow: The Relentless Life of Jerry Brown, and most recently: Here Beside the Rising Tide: Jerry Garcia, the Grateful Dead, and an American Awakening.

    45 min

  5. 11/26/2025

    The Future of History Part 2: Special Episode

    In the second part of then & now’s special presentation of the panels from the “Future of History” conference, David Myers, host of then & now, moderates a conversation on the precarious state of history, democracy, and cultural institutions in the United States. The panelists include Lonnie G. Bunch III, the 14th Secretary of the Smithsonian Institution; Athena N. Jackson, UCLA’s Norman and Armena Powell University Librarian; and Robin D.G. Kelley, Distinguished Professor and holder of the Gary B. Nash Chair in American History at UCLA. Lonnie Bunch warns that today’s political climate poses an unprecedented threat to cultural institutions, from politicians claiming historians can be replaced by AI to direct pressure on the Smithsonian. Extending these concerns to the university, Athena Jackson highlights mounting challenges to libraries and archives, including politically driven limits on collecting and anxieties over corrupted digital data. Robin Kelley situates these pressures within a long history of attacks on curriculum, public knowledge, and racial justice, insisting that scholars must continue to expose structural inequality and resist resurgent fascism. David Myers is the host of then & now, director of the Luskin Center for History and Policy, and the Sady and Ludwig Kahn Chair in Jewish History at UCLA. He also directs the UCLA Initiative to Study Hate. He has written extensively in the fields of modern Jewish intellectual and cultural history. He previously served as chair of the UCLA History Department and as director of the UCLA Center for Jewish Studies. Athena N. Jackson became the Norman and Armena Powell University Librarian in March 2024, marking her return to UCLA after previously serving as director of UCLA Library Special Collections. She is an active member of the Association of Research Libraries and she served as chair of the Association of College and Research Libraries Rare Books and Manuscripts Section executive committee. Lonnie G. Bunch III is the 14th Secretary of the Smithsonian. His most recent book, A Fool’s Errand: Creating the National Museum of African American History and Culture in the Age of Bush, Obama, and Trump, chronicles the making of the museum that would become one of the most popular destinations in Washington. In 2021, Bunch received France’s highest award, The Legion of Honor. Robin D.G. Kelly is Distinguished Professor and Gary B. Nash Endowed Chair in U.S. History at UCLA. He is currently completing two books, Making a Killing: Cops, Capitalism, and the War on Black Life (Henry Holt, 2027) The Education of Ms. Grace Halsell: An Intimate History of the American Century (in progress, Henry Holt).

    1h 11m

  6. 11/19/2025

    The Future of History Part 1: Special Episode

    This episode of then & now features a panel from the “Future of History” conference moderated by UCLA Professor Brenda Stevenson, an award-winning historian of race, gender, slavery, and community. She introduces three UCLA historians whose work spans the U.S. and the globe: Professor Kelly Lytle Hernández, a MacArthur Fellow and leading scholar of race, immigration, and mass incarceration; Professor Sanjay Subrahmanyam, Distinguished Professor and global historian of the early modern world; and Professor Vivien Tejada, a rising scholar of 19th-century African American and Native American history. Lytle Hernández details her public-facing work, including Million-Dollar Hoods and Mapping Deportations, and her efforts with the Zinn Education Project to support teachers nationwide. Subrahmanyam draws on experiences teaching in Europe, South America, and India to outline global anxieties about the U.S. academy. Tejada emphasizes how the abrupt reversal of post-2020 hiring initiatives threatens future scholarship in Black, Native, and Latinx history. Together, the panelists explore the role of historians in shaping public narratives, covering topics such as “patriotic history,” big-data projects, archival access, controversy around AI, and the teaching of writing and critical literacy. They reflect on internal debates within the field: DEI backlash, community engagement, shrinking academic resources, objectivity, “woke-ism,” and the legacy of the Ginzburg–Hayden White debate.  Brenda Stevenson holds the inaugural Hillary Rodham Clinton Chair in Women’s History at St. John’s College, Oxford University and the Nickoll Family Endowed Chair in History at UCLA. She is an internationally recognized scholar whose work bridges race, slavery, gender, family, and community in the United States and beyond. Her most recent book What is Slavery? was published by Cambridge University Press. Professor Kelly Lytle Hernández holds The Thomas E. Lifka Endowed Chair in History at UCLA. One of the nation’s leading experts on race, immigration, and mass incarceration, she is the author of many award-winning books including Migra! A History of the U.S. Border Patrol and Bad Mexicans: Race, Empire, and Revolution in the Borderlands. For her historical and contemporary work, Professor Lytle Hernández was named a 2019 MacArthur “Genius” Fellow.  Sanjay Subrahmanyam is the Distinguished Professor of History and Irving & Jean Stone Chair in Social Sciences at UCLA. A specialist of the early modern period (15th-18th centuries), his work ranges between studies of India and the Indian Ocean, the early modern European empires, and reflections on global history as a field of research. In 2024, he published Across the Green Sea: Histories from the Western Indian Ocean, 1440-1640 (Austin: University of Texas Press, 2024), with UK and Indian editions.  Vivien Tejada is an Assistant Professor of U.S. history at UCLA. She is a scholar of the nineteenth-century United States with a focus on the Civil War era. Her research interests lie in the intersections between Native American history and African American history. Her current project, “Unfree Soil: Empire, Labor, and Coercion in the Upper Mississippi River Valley, 1812-1861,” examines the relationship between slavery and conquest in the Upper Midwest.

    1h 14m

  7. 11/05/2025

    Plenary Address from the Urban History Association: Special Episode

    In this week’s episode of then & now, David Myers moderates a panel discussion from the recent Urban History Association meeting in Los Angeles.  The panel discussed two important questions: What is distinctive about Los Angeles as an urban experience and experiment? And what does L.A. tell us or teach us about urban life at this critical moment in U.S. history? Panelists included a mix of distinguished experts and commentators: historian Becky Nicolaides, L.A. Times journalist Gustavo Arellano, architect Brenda Levin, and political scientist Raphael J. Sonenshein.  Historian Becky Nicolaides traces L.A.’s evolution beyond its classic “sunshine and noir” dichotomy, highlighting its history as a sanctuary for immigrants, a hub for labor rights, and a place where grassroots activism reshaped civic life. Journalist Gustavo Arellano examines L.A. as a city under political siege, describing how Angelenos have united against authoritarian overreach through local organizing and cultural solidarity. Arellano argues that multiculturalism is L.A.’s future and that its people “el pueblo no se raja” (do not back down). Architect Brenda Levin explores L.A.’s constructed environment as both memory and reinvention, showing how landmarks like the Griffith Observatory and Grand Central Market embody the city’s ongoing negotiation between preservation and progress. Finally, political scholar Raphael Sonenshein portrays Los Angeles as a proving ground for urban reform and “home rule,” arguing that local governance may be the last firewall for American democracy.   Dr. Becky Nicolaides is an expert on the history of the 20th century, and author of several award-winning studies of suburban life in America, including The New Suburbia: How Diversity Remade Suburban Life in Los Angeles After 1945, came out in January 2024.  Gustavo Arellano is a columnist for the Los Angeles Times, covering Southern California, the West, and beyond.  Brenda Levin is a Fellow of the American Institute of Architects. AIA / Los Angeles selected her to receive the 2010 Gold Medal. Levin studied architecture at Harvard and founded Levin & Associates architecture and urban design firm in 1980. Dr. Raphael J. Sonenshein is the executive director of the John Randolph Haynes and Dora Haynes Foundation.

    1h 13m

  8. 09/25/2025

    Important Update for Then & Now

    We are redesigning Then & Now to better reach you, our listeners! Please fill out this survey before October 15, 2025, to let us know how we can improve, and be entered to win a FREE copy of Dr. Myers' book The Stakes of History. We look forward to your feedback! Survey link: https://tinyurl.com/Then-and-Now-Podcast-Survey

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"The History-Politics Podcast: Putting the Past to Work" connects past to present, using historical analysis and context to help guide us through modern issues and policy decisions. Then & Now is brought to you by the UCLA Luskin Center for History and Policy. This podcast is produced by David Myers and Roselyn Campbell, and features original music by Daniel Raijman.

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