This Way Up

Andrea

Welcome to "This Way Up," the podcast dedicated to supporting parents and caregivers navigating the complex world of mental health. Each episode, we dive deep into conversations that matter—exploring the challenges, triumphs, and transformative journeys of those facing mental health struggles within their families. Whether you’re here for expert advice, inspiring stories, or just a little boost to get you through the day, we’ve got you covered. So grab a cup of coffee, kick back, and join us as we find the bright spots in the mental health journey—because we're all climbing our way up together!

  1. Beyond Medication: Exploring TMS for Depression, Anxiety and More

    DEC 11

    Beyond Medication: Exploring TMS for Depression, Anxiety and More

    Imagine a treatment that wakes up the parts of the brain that have been dimmed by depression, anxiety, or trauma—without medication or downtime.  That’s exactly what Andrea explores in this episode with Dr. Suzanne Kerns, a leading expert in Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS), one of the most exciting advancements in mental health care today. TMS uses gentle, targeted magnetic pulses to activate and strengthen mood-related networks in the brain—essentially giving those underactive areas a nudge back into gear. It’s non-invasive, has minimal side effects, and requires zero anesthesia. It’s FDA-approved for treatment-resistant depression, depression with anxious features, and OCD, and research is showing impressive promise in areas like addiction, PTSD, and even pain management. Andrea and Dr. Kerns dive into the surprisingly fascinating history behind TMS, how the technology works, what actually happens during a session, and real-life success stories that are nothing short of transformative. They also cover what to look for when choosing a qualified provider and why this treatment is becoming a go-to option for people who’ve tried “everything else.” A hopeful, energizing conversation that reminds us just how many new possibilities exist for healing—and how rapidly the future of mental health is evolving. BIO:  Dr. Suzanne Kerns is a board-certified psychiatrist with over a decade of experience in neuromodulation and interventional psychiatry techniques, including TMS, ECT, and other forms of brain stimulation therapy. She is the owner and Chief Medical Officer of Inner Healing Charleston in Charleston, SC. Former Director of the Neuromodulation Clinic at the Ralph H. Johnson VA Medical Center, she is a Fellow and current Treasurer of the Clinical TMS Society. Dr. Kerns has trained clinicians globally and held academic appointments as an Assistant Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Washington and the Medical University of South Carolina. Dr. Kerns views every patient as unique, and strives to create individualized care plans using not just medications, but also psychotherapy, lifestyle modifications, and interventional treatments to support her patients in achieving their goals. RESOURCES/ REFERENCES: https://clinicaltmssociety.org/ Send us a text Support the show Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals for their specific situations.

    45 min
  2. Understanding the Power of the Neurodivergent Brain

    NOV 14

    Understanding the Power of the Neurodivergent Brain

    So many neurodivergent kids grow up thinking they’re the problem, when in reality they’re carrying ADHD, anxiety, or bipolar symptoms no one ever recognized. This conversation digs into what that actually feels like through Arthur Williams’ story—growing up undiagnosed, masking to survive, and constantly being praised for traits instead of effort, which only widened the gap between who he was and who he thought he should be. Arthur opens up about the pivotal moments that helped him finally understand his own mind, the difference between parental standards and rigid expectations, and why grace matters so much for neurodivergent kids trying to navigate a world not built for them. He also shares how he went from barely getting through college to becoming a peer mentor with The NAN Project, helping teens understand mental health, suicide prevention, and the power of lived experience. At its core, this episode is a reminder that even when ADHD is loud, anxiety is relentless, or bipolar depression insists you don’t matter, there is a reason to keep going—and more people value your presence than you’ll ever know. BIO:  Arthur is a recent but proud Peer Mentor with The NAN Project. He started this work to continue his goal of spreading awareness about mental health challenges with a neurodivergent voice. He believes that a mental health diagnosis or comorbidity does not have to be a source of shame, fear, or a life without determinism. Those of us who are “too much” are more than enough in the right setting with the right support. That all genius exists in those people who are willing to find the holes in their world, and their thinking, and fill them with something they created if it does not exist. As a person of color, he aims to provide meaningful representation and amplify the voices of neurodivergent individuals within his communities. RESOURCES/ REFERENCES: https://www.thenanproject.org/ Send us a text Support the show Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals for their specific situations.

    55 min
  3. How to Spot and Manage Controlling Behaviors

    OCT 30

    How to Spot and Manage Controlling Behaviors

    What’s Really Behind Our Need to Control?  We all like to think we’ve got it together… until life throws a curveball, and suddenly we’re trying to control everything around us. In this episode of This Way Up, I chat with Kati Morton, LMFT — licensed therapist, bestselling author, and mental health educator — about why control feels so necessary, how it shows up in our relationships, and what it’s really trying to protect. We dig into the ways control can sneak into parenting, friendships, romantic relationships, and even our daily routines. Kati shares how to spot controlling behaviors in ourselves and others, practical strategies to manage anxiety without overstepping, and personal stories that make these lessons relatable. She also gives us a sneak peek at her upcoming book, Why Do I Keep Doing This? (Dec 9th, 2025), guiding listeners toward breaking unhealthy patterns and building stronger, more resilient connections. Episode Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction to Control and Its Illusions 00:41 Understanding Control in Relationships 03:20 Recognizing Controlling Behaviors in Ourselves 05:08 Coping Mechanisms and Personal Examples 07:30 Practical Tips to Manage Control Issues 10:49 Impact of Control on Relationships 17:52 Letting Go of Control in Parenting 18:22 The Challenge of Helicopter Parenting 19:12 Encouraging Independence in Children 21:24 Recognizing Controlling Behaviors in Relationships 24:11 Managing Children's Mental Health and Manipulative Behaviors 27:15 The Importance of Open Communication 31:45 Katie Morton's New Book Announcement 33:21 Conclusion and Social Media Plugs BIO:  Kati Morton, LMFT, is a licensed marriage and family therapist, Best-selling Author, and a highly sought-after speaker in the field of mental health. With a Master's in Clinical Psychology from Pepperdine University, Kati has delivered impactful talks at prestigious events and platforms worldwide. Kati's upcoming book, Why Do I Keep Doing This?  (out December 2025), explores why we fall into the same emotional loops, such as people-pleasing or self-sabotage, and how to break them once and for all. Kati has been at the forefront of the mental health movement since 2011, sharing powerful videos that demystify mental health and replace stigmas with understanding. Her influential YouTube channel - with over 1.5 million subscribers and 130 million views, has made her a prominent figure in translating complex mental health concepts into accessible language. An accomplished author of two best-selling books "Are u ok?: A Guide to Caring for Your Mental Health" and “ Send us a text Support the show Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals for their specific situations.

    37 min
  4. Healing with Horses Equine Therapy for Mental Health

    OCT 9

    Healing with Horses Equine Therapy for Mental Health

    What if the key to healing anxiety, trauma, or depression wasn’t just found in an office — but in the quiet connection with a horse? In this episode, I sit down with Summer to explore the world of equine therapy and how these incredible animals are helping people transform their mental health. We dive into the difference between traditional hippotherapy and ground-based horse therapy, why spending time with horses has such a powerful impact on the nervous system, and the unforgettable breakthroughs Summer has witnessed with her clients. From easing stress and building confidence to creating trust after trauma, horses bring a kind of healing that’s hard to put into words. We also open up about the real-life challenges of caring for therapy horses and why community support is so vital to keep this work alive. If you’ve ever been curious about how equine therapy supports mental health, or you just want a fresh perspective on healing, this conversation will inspire you. BIO:  Summer Bouquet is currently working toward licensure as a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor (LPCC) while completing her clinical hours. She earned her bachelor’s degree in Psychology from UC Davis, where she was also a Division I beach volleyball athlete. Summer’s interest in psychology began early and has grown into a deep passion for helping others navigate life’s challenges. While she works with clients of all ages, she has a special focus on supporting adolescents between 12 and 18. In her clinical practice, Summer integrates equine therapy with psychodynamic approaches to create meaningful, individualized experiences for her clients. RESOURCES/ REFERENCES: https://www.walkintuit.org/ Send us a text Support the show Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals for their specific situations.

    26 min
  5. Breaking Cycles: Supporting Parents in Recovery and Their Babies

    SEP 25

    Breaking Cycles: Supporting Parents in Recovery and Their Babies

    Every year, thousands of babies are born into the chaos of opioid addiction—fragile, frightened, and in need of care. Tara Sundem, founder and executive director of Hushabye Nursery, has dedicated her life to giving these babies—and their mothers—a fighting chance. Through her work, she has already saved over 1,000 babies, transforming not just their lives, but the lives of their families.Through her work, Tara reminds us that every family deserves support, understanding, and a chance to thrive. Her stories will move you, her belief will uplift you, and her mission will leave you with a renewed sense of what’s possible when care meets heart. BIO:  Tara Sundem, RN, NNP-BC, MS is a Neonatal Nurse Practitioner, educator, and advocate dedicated to supporting pregnant and parenting mothers in recovery from opioid use disorders. She is the Executive Director and co-founder of Hushabye Nursery, a pioneering program in Arizona that provides compassionate care and resources for families affected by neonatal abstinence syndrome (NAS). Tara began her nursing career at Banner Children’s Hospital and went on to specialize in neonatology, earning her Master’s in Neonatal Nurse Practitioner from Arizona State University. Over the years, she has worked in multiple hospitals and practices across Arizona, providing care to the most vulnerable newborns and their families. In addition to her clinical work, Tara is an adjunct professor at the University of Arizona, sharing her expertise with the next generation of healthcare professionals. She has been featured in news stories and invited to speak at local and national conferences on NAS, maternal recovery, and stigma reduction. Through her work at Hushabye Nursery, Tara is driving innovative approaches to care and education, helping families thrive while advocating for systemic change in support for mothers in recovery. RESOURCES/ REFERENCES: https://hushabyenursery.org/ https://www.facebook.com/hushabyenursery/ Send us a text Support the show Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals for their specific situations.

    54 min
  6. Why Our Words Matter & Supporting Mental Health

    SEP 11

    Why Our Words Matter & Supporting Mental Health

    Chris Segrin from the University of Arizona opens up about the messy, complicated reality of supporting someone you love who’s struggling with mental health. Instead of handing out quick fixes, Chris invites us to lean into empathy, reminding us that the illness is not the person — and that separating the two is where compassion really begins. He challenges us to communicate without judgment, to listen with curiosity instead of fear, and to find strength in acceptance. At the same time, Chris gets real about the toll caregiving can take. He gives us permission to step back, set boundaries, and care for ourselves without guilt — because we can’t pour from an empty cup. From using simple tools like text messages to create space for tough conversations, to walking the fine line between helping and enabling, Chris shows us how to show up for others while staying grounded ourselves. This is about building relationships rooted in love, honesty, and resilience — even in the hardest seasons. BIO:  Chris Segrin (Ph.D. 1990, University of Wisconsin) is a behavioral scientist whose specialty is interpersonal relationships and mental health. His research focuses on social skills, relationship development and satisfaction, and such problems as depression, anxiety, loneliness, and marital distress. This research can be found in journals such as Human Communication Research, Communication Monographs, Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Journal of Social and Clinical Psychology, Communication Research, and Journal of Social and Personal Relationships. He is author of the books Interpersonal Processes in Psychological Problems (2001, Guilford Press) and Family Communication (2005, Lawrence Erlbaum Publishers). Professor Segrin was also the editor of the journal Communication Theory from 2003-2005. In addition to his appointment in the Department of Communication, Professor Segrin is an Adjunct Professor of Psychology and Family Studies. Prior to joining the faculty at the University of Arizona, Professor Segrin was on the faculty of the University of Kansas and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. He teaches classes in interpersonal communication, nonverbal communication, persuasion, marriage and family, and research methods. Professor Segrin has been the recipient of six teaching awards from the University of Wisconsin, University of Kansas, and University of Arizona. Recently he has been conducting research studies on the intergenerational transmission of divorce, how social skills deficits make people vulnerable to depression, and why lonely people have more health problems. In addition, Professor Segrin has recently conducted a number of studies with colleagues at the U of A College of Nursing to develop methods for improving quality of life (e.g., depression, anxiety, relationship satisfaction, social support) for women undergoing treatment for breast cancer and their partners, as well as for men with prostate cancer and their partners. This research has been funded by the National Cancer Institute, Lance Armstrong Foundation, Oncology Nursing Foundation, and the American Cancer Society. RESOURCES/ REFERENCES: https://comm.arizona.edu/person/chris-segrin Chris Segrin Books Send us a text Support the show Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals for their specific situations.

    44 min
  7. The Future of Support Groups: Online, AI and Mental Happy

    JUL 22

    The Future of Support Groups: Online, AI and Mental Happy

    In this episode of This Way Up, Tamar Blue, CEO of MentalHappy, shares how technology can be a force for good in the mental health space. The conversation dives into the unique value of virtual support groups, how they differ from traditional social media, and how caregivers can find safe, tailored communities that meet their needs. Tamar also speaks candidly about the emotional and physical toll of caregiving, offering realistic self-care strategies that don't require massive time or energy. With features like anonymity, privacy, and both expert-led and peer-led groups—including free options—MentalHappy creates space for real connection and healing. The episode also explores the emerging role of AI in mental health care, where efficiency and accessibility meet the irreplaceable power of human connection. BIO Tamar Blue is the Founder and CEO of MentalHappy, a Y Combinator-backed, HIPAA-compliant platform that empowers healthcare professionals, survivors, and advocates to create and lead expert-led support groups. With over 15 years of experience advocating for group-based care and emotional wellness, Tamar is on a mission to make emotional support a standard and essential part of every healthcare journey—not an afterthought. Through MentalHappy, she’s helping reimagine how we care for people by integrating emotional well-being into the core of health and healing. RESOURCES/ REFERENCES: Main Website: https://www.mentalhappy.com Social Media Links LinkedIn (personal): https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamarlucienblue/Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/mentalhappyFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mentalhappyhumansInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/livementalhappyYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@mentalhappyinc Send us a text Support the show Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals for their specific situations.

    40 min
  8. PANDAS When Strep Triggers OCD, Rage, and Tics

    JUN 5

    PANDAS When Strep Triggers OCD, Rage, and Tics

    For 1 in 200 kids, a simple strep throat infection can trigger PANDAS—a devastating autoimmune condition that causes sudden-onset OCD, tics, rage, and anxiety. In this episode, Ethan shares his deeply personal journey: from misdiagnoses and medication trials to discovering that brain inflammation was the key to understanding his symptoms. He opens up about the treatments that helped him take control—like CBD for inflammation, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT), diet changes, exercise, and stress management—and how he’s turned his struggle into a message of hope. This one hits hard for me—PANDAS has touched my own family, and I know firsthand how isolating and overwhelming it can be. Ethan’s story is a powerful reminder that healing is possible and that no one is alone in this fight. BIO: Ethan Pompeo was diagnosed with a rare autoimmune condition called PANDAS when he was young. His symptoms came on suddenly and included everything from tics, OCD, and even rage. He found relief with Pot (marijuana); but didn’t like varying degrees of being stoned to decrease his PANDAS symptoms. Eventually he learned that it was not the THC giving him relief, but the CBD… which he could take without getting high. PANDAS – Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associate with Streptococcal Infections RESOURCES: Visit Ethan's Website: https://www.greenvalleynutrition.com/ Visit Ethan on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNniFaDFyhMOnC11CDPjZEQ For More on Ethan's Upcoming Book: https://www.greenvalleynutrition.com/pages/book Send us a text Support the show Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and should not be considered as professional advice. Listeners are encouraged to seek guidance from qualified professionals for their specific situations.

    56 min

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Welcome to "This Way Up," the podcast dedicated to supporting parents and caregivers navigating the complex world of mental health. Each episode, we dive deep into conversations that matter—exploring the challenges, triumphs, and transformative journeys of those facing mental health struggles within their families. Whether you’re here for expert advice, inspiring stories, or just a little boost to get you through the day, we’ve got you covered. So grab a cup of coffee, kick back, and join us as we find the bright spots in the mental health journey—because we're all climbing our way up together!