Aaron talks with Derek The Solarboi, one of the few influencers in the solar industry. Derek is a master electrician, lead technician, and content creator dedicated to showing the world the reality of life on the roof. Listen to this episode on: * YouTube * Apple Podcasts * Spotify Connect with Derek on LinkedIn here. Expect to learn: * The critical disconnect between the CEOs setting metrics and the technicians on the ground installing systems. * The unintended consequences of the 2017 rapid shutdown codes (they introduced unnecessary complexity, cost, and points of failure to residential solar). * Why Derek chose to rock a bright purple beard. Quotes from the episode: “There is a big gap between what the commentary class in solar is and what actually happens on the ground... the stuff that I find very important as a technician, as an electrician, is the stuff that affects the customers.” - Derek The Solarboi “I think my expectation is that [in 80 years] there will be rich people who will intentionally not install solar... not having solar will be seen as the rich person thing to do because solar will be so cheap and so common.” - Derek The Solarboi Transcript: Aaron Nichols: Derek, public figure is not a typical career path for solar installers or electricians. Why did you decide to become an educator and entertainer? Derek The Solarboi: Um, there is a big gap between what the commentary class in solar, uh, is and what actually happens on the ground. Um, so like, you know, there’s, there’s plenty of media out there in terms of, you know, consumer looking at the industry or the CEO talking about the industry or, you know, finance people talking about, you know, the greater economic things that are happening in the solar industry, but like the stuff that obviously I find very important as a technician, as an electrician is the stuff that’s on the ground, the things that affect the customers, the things that affect, you know, these installations and that bleed out into public perception sometimes, you know, when people can’t get service for their systems or their systems are failing that kind of thing, that I have a lot of experience with that I want to share with as many people as possible. So the goal is to reduce the gap between the people on the ground who are dealing with the technical stuff and actually installing these systems and, you know, closing that gap with the people who make the decisions, the CEOs, the managers, all those people. Because, you know, I don’t know if you’ve gone from the level of the doing the work towards a more managerial position and realizing like, very quickly you start to lose context if you’re not super careful about it with what’s actually happening on the ground. And you’re just trying to hit metrics and you’re trying to hit whatever KPIs. And everything becomes, you know, an acronym and there gets to, you know, you want to stay in touch with the actual, what’s happening on the ground, right, so that you could be effective in what you’re actually selling and what you’re actually installing. Aaron Nichols: Yeah. I mean, that’s a huge need and, you know, I really want to make what we do interesting to the public and I’m always experimenting to see what’s more interesting to the public and I consider myself a nerd whisperer. I’m always trying to take what’s technical and translated into interesting stories that people can consume, but I certainly lack the technical foundation that you have and so I’ve found your content very, very helpful. Derek The Solarboi: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. The challenge is of course like I’m still working, you know, 40-hour week job and, you know, as a technician, as an electrician. And there’s so many so much time in the week, right? So, you know, I do want to branch out into more longer-form stuff. But, you know, when you are still driving, you know, two hours to a job site every day or whatever, you know, you have less time. So my home has felt, it’s felt very We at home on places like Instagram, TikTok, those, the vertical, short-form media stuff. But I get a video, I get a YouTube video out, ever so often, when I can, so. Aaron Nichols: Yeah. Well, I look forward to the drive to the job site podcast, when that releases. Derek The Solarboi: For my safety guy, I would not like that. Aaron Nichols: For everyone who’s listening, welcome back to this week’s Solar. I’m your host, Aaron Nichols, the research and policy specialist here, exact solar in Newtown, Pennsylvania. And today, we have one of the more recognizable faces in the solar industry on the show, Derrick the Solar Boy. Now, Derrick, if you wouldn’t mind introducing yourself and just talking about who you are and what your day-to-day job is like. Derek The Solarboi: Also, my name is Derrick the Solar Boy. That is my moniker on the internet. B-O-I. If you’re looking up. A B-O-I, yes, with a nine out of why, for sure. I, so I’m a solar technician and electrician and I’m a master electrician in five, six states, something like that. You know, the states that are useful around in the area. But I am the lead technician for the company I work for and I go out and fix people’s problems on solar installations. I’ve worked in residential, I’ve worked in commercial. The one that I have, the place that I’m working right now is much more focused towards commercial and small utility, so that is primarily what I’m working these days. Aaron Nichols: Okay. I’m interested, I just want to pull a thread for fun. You said, lead electrician for the company you work for. I’m not going to press you on that because on your LinkedIn it says it’s like undisclosed, but is that because you decided to be a content creator, you thought that you would keep it separate in your public persona? Derek The Solarboi: It is. There was an issue at the previous place I worked for where there was somebody who got cranky in Idaho or something about one of my videos where I was not being perhaps as safe as I should have been. And it became a whole problem. And so since then, I have kept my online identity fairly separate from my actual joby job. So that is why I get a little bit more cagey when it comes to details. Aaron Nichols: Yeah, that’s that’s interesting. That’s an angle I hadn’t considered since, you know, thought leadership for me is just standing in this blank room. I can be pretty safe right here, you know. I’m not there’s no harness I should be wearing while I’m talking to you on the computer. Derek The Solarboi: Well, and that’s the thing, like that’s the other reason why you don’t see a whole lot of people like me doing content is because the industry for for many good and bad reasons, very, very risk averse. And when you have somebody who’s on a site doing content about actual work, actual electrical work, there are so many things to think about when you’re looking at safety. Not just like are you actually being safe, but do you have the appearance, the full appearance of being safe? Because if you aren’t really careful, like if you do an edit that makes it look like you haven’t done a thing that you’re supposed to do, you’re I have a ton of comments from people saying, I don’t know if you didn’t do this thing or nothing. You know, because people get lost that there’s potentially more context than what is being presented. Right. So, that is tricky. And it’s really, really difficult to get somebody to agree to let somebody do something like this. You know, I know friends who have done content creation and have moved other companies that then realized, Oh, wow, these people have decided that they didn’t like this anymore, and it’s totally screwed them over that way. Yeah, it’s tricky, and it’s why you’re not going to hear as many people from my area of the industry talking about stuff, because talking about things while you’re in the field, according to things while you’re in the field, it’s just safety guys don’t like it. Aaron Nichols: Yeah, and I think you have a little more to lose in that avenue. you know, then maybe me or someone who’s in marketing or someone who’s more of like a manager, you know, a CEO. But I think that when you make the decision to open yourself to the public, you are inviting criticism. There’s just, just certain members of the public who are, you know, I like to report one star reviews of local businesses from time to time because I used to work in hospitality and I understand that there’s just certain people you’re never gonna make happy. Derek The Solarboi: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. For sure. Aaron Nichols: Now, Derek, you have, for anyone who’s listening, Derek has a bright purple beard. And I am interested to ask you about it because I’m curious if it was a gimmick for the channel or did you have it before you started? Does it mean anything to you? What is the significance of the purple beard? Derek The Solarboi: So there is no like deep meaning to the purple beard. It’s just fun. And I like doing, I love doing fun things. So, you know, the purple beard is fun. It is, you know, very consciously something that, oh, I can continue to do this to stand out on social media as, you know, eye-catching type of a thing. So, there’s a tiny bit of cynicism to it, but not all that much. I love my purple beard. And I get comments on it regularly from customers as well. Like, you know, I’ve gotten questions from people will be like, what doesn’t, isn’t, wouldn’t that be end up being inappropriate for customers? Like it seems like you’re just trying to get attention or whatever customers love talking about it. I get a lot of positive comments about it. It’s fun. Aaron Nichols: That’s amazing, man. Yeah, and so anything you can do to be remembered is important. And it’s also just a good beard. Like I think you think