In this episode, Aaron talks with Jacob Yang, the Founder and CEO of Amp Your Story. After realizing there was no central hub for clean energy marketers, Jacob launched Amp Your Story to unite the global community. He is on a mission to bridge the gap between technical expertise and world-class storytelling, and already has members on four continents. Connect with Jacob on LinkedIn here. Listen to this episode on: * YouTube * Apple Podcasts * Spotify Expect to learn: * How the clean energy industry’s “branding problem” (being 90% focused on technology and only 10% on brand) is hurting us, where it came from, and how we fix it. * Why Jacob took a leap of faith to create a global community for clean energy marketers. * Jacob’s “LinkedIn Hierarchy of Value” anyone can use to build an exponentially growing, targeted network. Quotes from the episode: “We don’t need to be good at everything, but we need a place to have support for the strengths that we don’t have.” — Jacob Yang “How do we take the best of the best in the world and incorporate that into our industry so we work better as an entire sector together?” — Jacob Yang Transcript: Aaron Nichols: Jacob, why do you feel called to unite clean energy marketers? Jacob Yang: I really wanted to be part of a group that did exactly that and when I did my due diligence and went online, looked for the opportunities. There just wasn’t anything out there that really aligned with what I was looking for. And so I put the feelers out. I asked my own community: “If I put this group together, what would you think?” and the amount of responses that were positive were overwhelming. And so I took a leap of faith and I created Amp Your Story to provide clean energy marketers with tools, resources, and community at a global scale to help them out. Aaron Nichols: So it was one of those cases of just what you wanted didn’t exist so you made it. Jacob Yang: 100%. Yeah. Aaron Nichols: That’s—yeah. And I mean I can attest to the awesomeness of it. I’ve been to a couple coffee chats and a couple speaker series now and it’s a wonderful group. And you’re really curating some awesomeness there. Jacob Yang: I appreciate that. Thanks. Yeah. Aaron Nichols: So would you like to introduce yourself and talk a bit about Amp Your Story? Jacob Yang: Absolutely. So I am the founder and CEO of Amp Your Story. Again, it’s the online global clean energy marketing community. Currently, we have 74 members across four continents, and we have a committee as well with 10 individuals—11 including myself. We really focus on two main verticals. So you think on the left hand, you’ve got clean energy facets of solar, wind, and BEST (Battery Energy Storage Systems) which are very common and predominant in the industry, but you also think about geothermal, nuclear, and other facets. And then on the right hand is all the functions of marketing. And so going back to the committee, one of the reasons I realized I needed one was because I have some strong strengths in marketing, but as you know, none of us could do it all. And so I needed people from public relations and comms, design, content marketing, and event activation to help bridge that gap. So when people come to the community, they feel like they have a source of truth that they can rely on. And it’s not even that we always have the answer, but we’re willing to go that extra step to help people find the sources they’re looking for. And that ranges from everything from revenue attribution tools, which is a constant struggle in marketing, to “how do I elevate my conversations to people who are constant blockers,” like the Chief Financial Officer or the Chief Operating Officer. That’s a constant struggle, I think, on the marketing side—to flip the script from a cost center to a “must-have” and a revenue generator. And then in clean energy, you know, there’s people that come in who have great marketing skills—they might have been on the oil and gas side and then felt like “this doesn’t really align with what I’m trying to do long-term”—or it just might be that they want to get into clean energy as a whole, or they just are a bit newer to the concept. So they might be three weeks into their role, three months in, and they need something to guide them more than just the marketing tasks they do on a daily basis. Aaron Nichols: Well, for anyone who’s listening, welcome back to This Week in Solar. As always, I’m your host, Aaron Nichols, the Research and Policy Specialist here at Exact Solar in Newtown, Pennsylvania. Our guest today is Jacob Yang; as he mentioned, he’s the founder and CEO of Amp Your Story. He’s also blowing up on LinkedIn right now, and he’s doing a great job of just unifying clean energy marketers, which I think is awesome. As you mentioned in your answer before, none of us can do it all. For example, I am one of the world’s most incompetent graphic designers. Very bad at it. I’m interested, what is the thing that isn’t in your marketing skill set? Jacob Yang: You know, as many compliments as I’ve gotten on the logo and the branding of Amp Your Story, I will say I had a little support. I reached out to a contractor and I said, “Hey look, I’m creating something that has to be world-class. I’ll pay you that top dollar, I just want it to be the best possible experience.” So when I go into the experts who do this for a living, they can be like, “Oh, this is legit. I like this. I resonate with this.” And so I think it really comes back to: we don’t need to be good at everything, but we need a place to have support for the strengths that we don’t have. And I think that example resonates because everything above the branding, I gave a lot of thought to. It was like, what are the colors that so many solar EPCs and developers use? Aaron Nichols: Oh yeah, what’s their branding? It’s like orange. It’s really funny. Because ours are blue and yellow. Jacob Yang: Yeah, and so it’s these like recurring themes that you see and I want it to be relatable. And it was even like the font, we’re doing Montserrat. I wanted something to feel bold and impressive and really stand against the status quo of “we’ve never had this, we’ve always wanted it, and now it’s here.” Aaron Nichols: That’s so beautiful man, it’s wonderful to hear that you put that level of thought into it and to understand that that’s what was going on behind the scenes, because obviously I only see the front end and I didn’t know that story till now. I know that you are in the process of becoming a top 1% LinkedIn expert, and you have advised a lot of clean energy companies on how they can do better on LinkedIn. So what’s one glaring thing that you think a lot of clean energy companies miss about LinkedIn as a platform? Where do you think they leave money on the table? Like, what do you walk in day one and say “here’s what you can do better” normally? Jacob Yang: The beautiful thing about LinkedIn is every touch point in a company—every employee, in some capacity—is most likely using the platform. So, the first thing that I talk about is not even the growth hacks—and I get into those too, you know, like how do you save money and drive half a million ad views from a hundred bucks and all those fun things. But it’s like, if you’re spending every morning on LinkedIn as an executive, what are the functions you do? If you’re scrolling and you’re clicking on these posts and you’re just doing a “like,” that probably has the least amount of weight on the level of engagement you bring to the people in your network. And so one of the things I walk them through was like, okay, it’s likes and comments, then reposts and original content. And that’s kind of the wheel I use to guide them from least valuable to most valuable. And even small crevices, like the difference between liking a post and finding it insightful, right? You’ve got a post that’s got 10 individuals who have liked it and you only see blue, and you want to stand out to the crowd? You put the yellow and insightful emoji to that as opposed to a like. It’s small details that add up in accumulation over six months where all of a sudden people are like, “Okay, they’re finally seeing my content,” instead of just feeling like “I think I’m doing it right but I’m not really sure.” Aaron Nichols: That’s about how long it took for me when I started writing on the platform; it was about six months before anyone noticed. So I think that is a very important piece to hit on for anyone who does want to create content on LinkedIn—it’s a slow grind in the beginning but it’s an exponential growth factor a few months or years in. I think it’s beautiful that you hit on that point that everyone in your company is probably already using it as well, because it might be the only platform that’s true of, because everybody puts their resume on at some point. So almost everybody has created an account, and you would really just have to go back through the team and have everybody turn on creator mode, rather than them having to go back and learn how to post on Facebook or create a whole Instagram account. It’s already there. Work history is already there. Jacob Yang: 100%. And I think it’s just looking at it with a critical eye. Like, there’s no key piece that I can say was what got me to be successful on LinkedIn; it was an accumulation. I audited my entire network. You know, I had, I think, two or 3,000 followers. Not a lot of connections, and I audited them all and with the exceptions of close colleagues and friends, I knew I wanted that space and capacity to be for clean energy marketers. I wanted to make sure—whether it was one person, ten, a hundred or a thousand—that the right people are seeing my content. And so it’s the same when you’re an exec