Unapologetic: The Third Narrative

With Amira and Ibrahim
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UTTN is an independent podcast created and hosted by Palestinian activists Amira Mohammed (‘67) and Ibrahim Abu Ahmad (‘48). For decades, narratives on Palestine and Israel have been deeply polarized, fueling division and sustaining inequalities that block justice and peace. A Third Narrative is essential to break this cycle. It fosters an inclusive community for those seeking real solutions and committed to nonviolence. It envisions a future that doesn’t just mediate between sides but transforms the conversation—paving the way for meaningful change.

  1. Disruptive Education

    6D AGO

    Disruptive Education

    Stories are how we learn who we are, who belongs, and who we’re taught to fear. Some stories are inherited so early they feel like truth. Others begin to fracture only when lived reality no longer matches what we were told. In this episode we're joined by Becca Strober, an educator and organizer whose life has been shaped by the slow, painful unraveling of the stories they grew up with. From Jerusalem to the U.S., from Zionist education to military service, Becca traces the moments where ideology met reality, and where the language of security, morality, and defense gave way to the lived experience of occupation, apartheid, and the continuing Nakba. The conversation moves through memory and encounter: the normalization of control in the West Bank, the legal architecture of military rule, and the quiet ways dehumanization is taught and sustained. Becca reflects on what it means to realize that participation in a system of violence doesn’t always look like cruelty. Sometimes it looks like routine, obedience, and silence. This is an episode about unlearning, the cost of seeing clearly and about what becomes possible when justice is no longer treated as abstract. Becca speaks about the role of education as disruption, about solidarity as practice rather than sentiment, and about the importance of showing up on the ground, not to lead, but to stand alongside. It asks what safety really means, who it is built for, and whether a future rooted in equality between the river and the sea can exist without first confronting the stories that brought us here. Episode Links: Becca Explains the Occupation Breaking the Silence Center for Jewish Nonviolence Ta'ayush Rabbis for Human Rights Achvat Amim The Disillusioned Podcast Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on October 8, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future. Credits ​Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠B8 of Hope⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ with the support of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Albi World⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Hosts / Executive Producers: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Amira Mohammed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ibrahim Abu Ahmad⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Associate Producer / Supervising Editor / Audio Mix: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Evelyn Uzan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Original Music: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Layan Hawila⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Support her journey as a music therapy student at Berklee​Filming & Editing: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Nissan Film Production⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Branding: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sophie Cooke⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Animation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Santiago Gomez⁠⁠

    1h 38m
  2. Objection Overruled

    JAN 25

    Objection Overruled

    Laws are meant to protect people, maintain order, and define what’s fair. But what happens when the law is applied only to some, while denying rights to others? For Palestinian citizens of Israel, this is a daily reality. Laws meant to safeguard freedom of speech, movement, and expression are often used as tools of control, punishment, and exclusion, rights that exist on paper but are routinely denied in practice. In this episode, we sit with Hadeel Abu Salih, a human rights lawyer and activist at ⁠Adalah⁠, to examine how Israeli law functions in practice for Palestinians, and how repression has sharply escalated since October 2023. Drawing on hundreds of cases, Hadeel exposes a legal system where speech can be criminalized before it’s even expressed, students and academics are disciplined for political thought, and prolonged detention without trial has become routine. Alongside this, the hosts reflect on some of the fears and reservations they carry about being public in this moment. We trace the continuity from the policies following May 2021 to the sweeping crackdown after October 7, revealing how emergency measures have solidified into permanent governance. Hadeel also unpacks how apartheid legislation is deepening, not only through arrests and indictments, but through laws that threaten family life, movement, and collective presence. This episode explores law as lived experience, fear, endurance, and the cost of speaking out, and what it means to keep resisting from inside the courtroom.Be sure to explore Adalah’s website to read reports, review cases, listen to their podcast, and of course, support their work by donating here. Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on November 25, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future. Credits ​Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠B8 of Hope⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ with the support of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Albi World⁠⁠⁠⁠​Hosts / Executive Producers: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Amira Mohammed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ibrahim Abu Ahmad⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Associate Producer / Supervising Editor / Audio Mix: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Evelyn Uzan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Original Music: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Layan Hawila⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Support her journey as a music therapy student at Berklee​Filming & Editing: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Nissan Film Production⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Branding: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sophie Cooke⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Animation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Santiago Gomez⁠

    1h 17m
  3. Palestinian Poetic Justice

    JAN 18

    Palestinian Poetic Justice

    For more than 26 years, Tamer Nafar has bent language into a weapon, a mirror, and the airplane’s black box. In his words: "The world is a crashing plane. I'm not Captain Sully; I cannot save the day. I'm that black box. I'm nothing but that black box. I document, eject seat, then cash out." From the birth of Palestinian hip-hop to today, his voice has never separated art from truth or culture from resistance. In this episode, we sit with Tamer at a pivotal moment. As he prepares to release his first English-language album, In the Name of the Father, the Imam and John Lennon (out January 20), and embarks on a European tour starting January 26, he reflects on creation under pressure, the cost of speaking clearly, and why storytelling matters when everything feels at stake. Beyond music, Tamer the activist uses his platform to raise funds for organizations like Clean Shelter and Resolute RGL. He continues to write, challenge, and provoke through his political op-eds, and he is expanding his literary world with upcoming novels 3Gs and 2 ATM’s. Hip‑hop taught him to be a fireman in a burning world, not because he can stop the flames, but because turning away would be to burn too.Links to everything else Tamer:Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, DAM Facebook, DAM Instagram, DAM YouTube, Junction 48 Artists mentioned in episode: Suhel Nafar⁠, ⁠Djamil⁠, Maysa Daw,⁠ Rasha Nahas, MC Abdul, Noel Kharman, Nasir Al Bashir, Mahmoud Jrere Songs referenced: Rock it like a Palestinian, Change the World For me, The Beat Never Goes Off, JASADIK-HOM, Min Irhabi, Johnnie Mashi, SuperLancer, #Who_You_R, Go There, Al Fashi Mashi Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on December 22, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future. Credits ​Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Albi World⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Hosts / Executive Producers: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Amira Mohammed⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ibrahim Abu Ahmad⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Associate Producer / Supervising Editor / Audio Mix: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Evelyn Uzan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Original Music: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Layan Hawila⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Support her journey as a music therapy student at Berklee​Filming & Editing: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Nissan Film Production⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Branding: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sophie Cooke⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠​Animation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Santiago Gomez

    1h 36m
  4. Let's Reflect

    JAN 11

    Let's Reflect

    In this episode, we strip things back and sit down for an honest one-on-one. Amira and Ibrahim reflect on Season 2 so far—what it’s stirred up, what they’ve learned, and how the conversations are evolving. They unpack newly introduced terminology, respond to audience feedback, and unpack their personal feelings. Be sure to listen until the end of the episode, where we introduce HUMAN EYES - a project in collaboration with Toronto-based artist, Hieram. All proceeds from the sale of these one-of-a-kind hand-painted jackets will go directly to a family in Gaza and Clean Shelter. Join us for this much-needed pause: a thoughtful, grounding conversation about where we’ve been and where we’re headed. Follow us on Instagram: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thirdnarrative⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/ThirdNarrative⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ For more info on UTTN, visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠uttn.net⁠⁠⁠⁠ or our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on November 9, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future. Credits ​Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠⁠B8 of Hope⁠⁠⁠⁠ with the support of ⁠⁠⁠⁠Albi World⁠⁠⁠⁠​Hosts / Executive Producers: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Amira Mohammed⁠⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠⁠Ibrahim Abu Ahmad⁠⁠⁠⁠​Associate Producer / Supervising Editor: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Evelyn Uzan⁠⁠⁠⁠​Original Music: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Layan Hawila⁠⁠⁠⁠ – Support her journey as a music therapy student at Berklee​Filming & Editing: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Nissan Film Production⁠⁠⁠⁠​Branding: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Sophie Cooke⁠⁠⁠⁠​Animation: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Santiago Gomez

    1h 6m
  5. From Grassroots to Purple Skies

    12/21/2025

    From Grassroots to Purple Skies

    In Episode 8, we sit down with Sally Abed — socialist organizer, new mother, and the first Palestinian woman to lead a joint Jewish-Arab slate and be elected to Haifa’s municipal council with Haifa Majority. As a leader in the purple grassroots movement, Standing Together, she works to turn joint struggle into political impact. Sally reflects on her path from neighborhood activism to municipal leadership, the values that guide her work, and the impact of boycotting, including the challenges of being targeted by it. Tune into her episode and be sure to check out the links below: Haifa Majority Standing Together The Long Answer Podcast Follow us on Instagram: @⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thirdnarrative⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/ThirdNarrative⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠ For more info on UTTN, visit ⁠⁠⁠uttn.net⁠⁠⁠ or our ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on October 27, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future. Credits ​Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠B8 of Hope⁠⁠⁠ with the support of ⁠⁠⁠Albi World⁠⁠⁠​Hosts / Executive Producers: ⁠⁠⁠Amira Mohammed⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠Ibrahim Abu Ahmad⁠⁠⁠​Associate Producer / Supervising Editor: ⁠⁠⁠Evelyn Uzan⁠⁠⁠​Original Music: ⁠⁠⁠Layan Hawila⁠⁠⁠ – Support her journey as a music therapy student at Berklee​Filming & Editing: ⁠⁠⁠Nissan Film Production⁠⁠⁠​Branding: ⁠⁠⁠Sophie Cooke⁠⁠⁠​Animation: ⁠⁠⁠Santiago Gomez

    1h 28m
  6. Changing the Mindset, One Post At a Time

    12/14/2025

    Changing the Mindset, One Post At a Time

    Eran Nissan calls himself “a juggler,” and for good reason. He moves between multiple initiatives focused on peace, reconciliation, and co-resistance between Israelis and Palestinians, all while leading Mehazkim as its CEO. Mehazkim — whose name in Hebrew means “to strengthen” or “to empower” — is a left-wing digital movement advancing equality, ending the occupation, defending democracy and human rights, and promoting women’s and LGBTQ+ rights and climate justice. Through strategic campaigns, it gives ordinary citizens the tools to create meaningful social and political impact. As a new father and strategist for societal transformation, Eran believes real progress begins from within. He explains how shifting the mindset of individuals shapes their behaviors, which influences policies and ultimately reshapes reality. In this conversation, he shares stories of personal growth, societal evolution, and the vision of a future where equality, freedom, and justice are not just ideals, but lived experiences. Links mentioned in episode: Mehazkim Phoenix Framework Viral Interview (FCK BNGVR) Follow us on Instagram: @⁠⁠⁠⁠thirdnarrative⁠⁠⁠⁠  Subscribe to us on Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/ThirdNarrative⁠ ⁠⁠⁠ For more info on UTTN, visit ⁠⁠uttn.net⁠⁠ or our ⁠⁠⁠⁠Linktree⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on September 24, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future. Credits ​Sponsored by: ⁠⁠B8 of Hope⁠⁠ with the support of ⁠⁠Albi World⁠⁠​Hosts / Executive Producers: ⁠⁠Amira Mohammed⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠Ibrahim Abu Ahmad⁠⁠​Associate Producer / Supervising Editor: ⁠⁠Evelyn Uzan⁠⁠​Original Music: ⁠⁠Layan Hawila⁠⁠ – Support her journey as a music therapy student at Berklee​Filming & Editing: ⁠⁠Nissan Film Production⁠⁠​Branding: ⁠⁠Sophie Cooke⁠⁠​Animation: ⁠⁠Santiago Gomez

    1h 56m
  7. Existence is Resistance

    11/23/2025

    Existence is Resistance

    In this powerful episode, we sit down with Nimala Kharoufeh— an inspirational teacher, women's circle trainer, group facilitator, and the first Samara Yoga teacher in the Middle East. She holds over 14 accredited certificates in self-development and well-being. With 15 years of experience in local and international peacebuilding organizations, she specializes in youth and women’s development, leadership, communication, and team building. As the director of the Palestinian Freedom School, and founder of the soon-to-open Sahwa Healing Center in Beit Jala, Nimala holds true to the symbolism of her name. Inside the Combatants for Peace office, Nimala reflects on what it means to grow up in a family split by IDs, to navigate a geography that keeps shrinking, and to carry the emotional weight of simply existing as a Palestinian. Yet she brings something rare: a pathway toward healing, inner awakening, and the reclamation of humanity in a world that tries to erase it. With striking vulnerability, she speaks about trauma, womanhood, community care, and the revolutionary choice to step out of victimhood and into responsibility. This same vision led her to create the Sahwa Healing Center— a community-rooted space now in its final stages of becoming a reality, where Palestinians will have access to grounding practices like yoga, meditation, women’s circles, trauma-informed healing, and much more. With your support, the doors of this space can open sooner rather than later, bringing healing and connection to a community that needs it. If you’ve ever wondered what steadfastness looks like, what healing inside occupation feels like, or what it takes to keep showing up when everything around you is falling apart—this episode is for you. Listen, share, and—if you’re able—consider donating to help bring the Sahwa Healing Center to life. Your support directly fuels the mental, emotional, spiritual, and physical well-being of Palestinians. Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on September 28th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future. Credits ​Sponsored by: ⁠⁠⁠B8 of Hope⁠⁠⁠ with the support of ⁠⁠⁠Albi World⁠⁠⁠​Hosts / Executive Producers: ⁠⁠⁠Amira Mohammed⁠⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠⁠Ibrahim Abu Ahmad⁠⁠⁠​Associate Producer / Supervising Editor: ⁠⁠⁠Evelyn Uzan⁠⁠⁠​Original Music: ⁠⁠⁠Layan Hawila⁠⁠⁠ – Support her journey as a music therapy student at Berklee​Filming & Editing: ⁠⁠⁠Nissan Film Production⁠⁠⁠​Branding: ⁠⁠⁠Sophie Cooke⁠⁠⁠​Animation: ⁠⁠⁠Santiago Gomez

    1h 8m
  8. Allow us to Demonstrate: Solidarity

    11/16/2025

    Allow us to Demonstrate: Solidarity

    In this episode, Danielle Cantor — co-mother and community organizer with Culture of Solidarity, a grassroots mutual aid collective — opens up on what it means to live and act from a place of radical care in unbearable times. Culture of Solidarity builds networks of care, resistance, and justice from the ground up, bringing together activists, organizers, and neighbors to meet urgent needs while confronting systems of inequality and oppression. Their work spans food justice, political education, anti-war organizing, and support for marginalized communities in their ongoing struggles for dignity and liberation. Through her honesty, weariness, and courage, Danielle reveals the emotional cost of organizing and the strength it takes to keep showing up. She reflects on how empathy can become an action, on what solidarity truly means when facing the realities of occupation, and on her community’s commitment to care that doesn’t shy away from uncomfortable truths. From standing in silent vigils for murdered children in Gaza, to leaving a beloved community space in the name of integrity, Danielle reminds us that compassion without accountability is hollow — and that a different kind of future is imperative, one rooted in justice, equality, and deep care. If you were inspired to join any of the activities mentioned in this episode, follow @twinkyyyy and @culture_of_solidarity on Instagram for updates! Disclaimer: This episode was recorded on August 25th, 2025. The facts presented in this episode reflect what was known at the time, but new information may have since come to light. Similarly, the opinions expressed by the hosts were shaped by our perspectives at the time of recording and may have evolved as events unfolded. Please note that engagement with our guests does not imply endorsement, and the views expressed by our guests do not necessarily represent our beliefs, either on or off our platform. What has not changed is our commitment to a just and united future. Credits ​Sponsored by: ⁠⁠B8 of Hope⁠⁠ with the support of ⁠⁠Albi World⁠⁠​Hosts / Executive Producers: ⁠⁠Amira Mohammed⁠⁠ & ⁠⁠Ibrahim Abu Ahmad⁠⁠​Associate Producer / Supervising Editor: ⁠⁠Evelyn Uzan⁠⁠​Original Music: ⁠⁠Layan Hawila⁠⁠ – Support her journey as a music therapy student at Berklee​Filming & Editing: ⁠⁠Nissan Film Production⁠⁠​Branding: ⁠⁠Sophie Cooke⁠⁠​Animation: ⁠⁠Santiago Gomez

    1h 10m
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UTTN is an independent podcast created and hosted by Palestinian activists Amira Mohammed (‘67) and Ibrahim Abu Ahmad (‘48). For decades, narratives on Palestine and Israel have been deeply polarized, fueling division and sustaining inequalities that block justice and peace. A Third Narrative is essential to break this cycle. It fosters an inclusive community for those seeking real solutions and committed to nonviolence. It envisions a future that doesn’t just mediate between sides but transforms the conversation—paving the way for meaningful change.

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