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Discussing the latest news in digital art with Leyla Fakhr and Jamie Gourlay.

  1. 1D AGO

    David Shrigley: finding humour in art

    01:08 - Leaving art school and early success   03:15 - Staying true to your artistic voice  06:00 - Whitehawk and Nottingham Forest  07:13 - Frieze Magazine, Transmission Gallery and Err  10:46 - Tapping one's internal monologue  12:04 - The importance of comedy in art  14:15 - Shrig Shop, merchandise and exploring context  19:01 - Chocolate's Not The Problem, You Are The Problem  23:10 - Sales mechanics and managing supply    27:50 - Problem Guitars  28:42 - Exploring NFTs in the context of David's practice  34:50 - How the art world has changed since the 90s  36:18 - Sidmouth School of Art  40:30 - Community art as a political act  44:28 - Where the art world is heading  https://davidshrigley.com  https://shrigshop.com  https://www.instagram.com/davidshrigley

    46 min

  2. 4D AGO

    Roundtable with Motzko & Lonliboy: the aesthetic experience of scrolling

    00:25 - Welcome Motzko  03:22 - Marfa recap   07:50 - Connecting and consolidating relationships  11:28 - Marfa highlights  13:50 - Fallout from the Raoul clip  19:16 - Navigating the social media landscape  26:00 - Motzko's collecting thesis 31:41 - Creating an aesthetic experience while scrolling  34:50 - Outside perspectives and judgments  36:37 - Silicon Valley's silence around NFTs  38:58 - Collecting as a means of self-expression  40:25 - Motzko's artist picks: Rafaël and Lorna  44:55 - New Three.js work and the browser as a medium  50:16 - A question of context and framing  51:30 - Exploring Quine by Larva Labs  57:16 - $PNKSTR  01:03:24 - fxhash opens back up  01:05:22 - Is VVV's continued hype sustainable  01:08:15 - The strength of the Avant Gay community  01:10:55 - The difference in culture across chains  01:15:22 - The issue with aesthetic over saturation  01:16:17 - Tezos and artist collaboration  01:18:18 - William Mapan and Superpositions  01:26:30 - Ivan and Sam's departure from Verse  01:33:44 - Verse rundown  https://motzko.net  motzko: https://x.com/motzko Lorna Mills: https://x.com/lm_netwebs  Rafaël Rozendaal: https://x.com/newrafael Samsy: https://x.com/samsyyyy  William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan  Larva Labs: https://x.com/larvalabs

    1h 38m

  3. OCT 24

    Redbeard: conviction, community and refining your focus

    00:35 - Welcome Redbeard  02:58 - Discovering digital art  05:03 - Too many sellers, not enough buyers  09:13 - Debunking the cabal  15:13 - Power laws, high prices and rising tides  18:42 - Building relationships and community  22:30 - Uplifting voices and building on history  23:17 - The importance of open-minded participation  25:55 - Being part of a movement and making an impact  29:08 - Zoom out and refine your focus  31:28 - Collaborate more, compete less  32:44 - Inside the Whitney selection committee  35:05 - Performance art belongs on-chain  36:03 - Institutions help, community leads  40:35 - Expanding the community beyond X  42:38 - Showcasing the human side of the artists  46:20 - Looking past the tweets and connecting in person  50:15 - The value of innovation    Redbeard: https://x.com/redbeardnft

    52 min

  4. OCT 17

    Hilde Lynn Helphenstein: the real Jerry Gogosian

    00:40 - Welcome Hilde Lynn Helphenstein 07:20 - Conservatism in the art world  10:02 - Early exposure to different cultures  11:54 - Conceptual Art, new genres and developing a practice  14:01 - The art world as a performance  16:54 - From Hooters to Art Basel  18:09 - The birth of Jerry Gogosian  22:24 - Problems built into the business model  24:43 - AI and the potential valuelessness of art  30:03 - How social media has changed the art world  34:15 - The myth of inclusivity  39:20 - The pandemic, cultural shifts and NFTs  44:36 - The power of physicality in art  48:45 -  We are all memes  50:40 - The power of the network and connection  56:00 - Normalised extremes and impostor syndrome  01:02:10 - The cost of opening up to an audience  01:14:50 - Moving forward and thinking about the future  01:25:10 - Gozo and the importance of texture in digital art  01:30:37 - A missing historical context in NFTs  01:38:30 - What art will look like in the future  01:43:05 - Technophobia and protectionism in the traditional art world  01:49:20 - Cancel culture, polarisation and satire  01:55:52 - A future NFT true believer  Jerry Gogosian Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jerrygogosian  Jerry Gogosian X: https://x.com/jerrygogosian Gozo - an improbable thread: https://verse.works/series/an-improbable-thread-by-gozo  Gozo: https://x.com/uncertaingaze

    1h 58m

  5. OCT 10

    Sasha Stiles: poetry in the age of AI

    00:42 - Welcome Sasha Stiles  04:55 - The foundations for an endless curiosity  09:50 - Connecting with Kalmyk art forms  13:40 - From academia to the arts  16:20 - New York, cultural absorption and parallel careers  19:05 - Living through pivotal technological shifts  21:52 - An ongoing cultural relationship with technology  23:20 - Nick Bostrom, Superintelligence and Attention Is All You Need  26:39 - The role of the writer and language in the wake of AI  28:29 - Talk to Transformer, early tooling and digital exploration  32:58 - Working with an AI co-author  33:40 - A constantly evolving data set  35:30 - Defining the art and shaping the system  38:26 - Loss of nuance online and the impact of live performance  41:40 - Identifying as an artist and blockchain as a multi-media printing press  48:20 - 2020 and people connecting online  52:00 - The importance of community and social media  54:38 - The role of a gallery in an artist's career  58:45 - The stresses of a financialized practice  01:00:45 - theVERSEverse and the growth of an experimental collective  01:06:56 - A Living Poem at MoMa  01:11:23 - Situating AI-powered verse in the tradition of text-based art  01:16:19 - Upcoming writing, work and special events at MoMa  Sasha Stiles: https://x.com/sashastiles A Living Poem: https://www.moma.org/calendar/exhibitions/5839  https://theverseverse.com

    1h 19m

  6. OCT 4

    Raoul Pal: from Real Vision to the new art world

    00:25 – Intro: Raoul Pal 01:05 – Real Vision: why it started after the GFC/Euro crisis 02:06 – Democratising finance content; early crypto coverage 03:41 – Bootstrapping video: “we knew f*** all” era (2013–14) 04:45 – Word of mouth growth; mistakes + learning media/tech 06:40 – Art + NFTs: desire to be part of a cultural movement 09:05 – Crypto Twitter as daily culture; priceless long-term record 10:33 – What is “consensus”? Attention as the driver 13:00 – Influencers vs. durable consensus (fleeting vs. lasting) 14:32 – Do we need museum/gallery validation? Two worlds emerge 16:36 – Museums, value, and attention  17:19 – Counterpoint from museum practice; cultural significance 18:37 – Once museums act, value follows; UK institutions lag on digital 20:56 – Egalitarian internet: anyone can show, few will sell 22:19 – Raoul’s barbell thesis: ultra-culture ↔ frontier tech 24:10 – Living with digital art; display that works vs. doesn’t 25:33 – XCOPY supply dynamics; Beeple’s opposite path 28:05 – Die With The Most Likes: world-building & collector bonds 29:57 – Explaining it to the “old world”; youth curators & A&R analogy 30:52 – People will write the art history; institutions must adapt 32:27 – Contemporary art attention collapse; digital shows done poorly 33:48 – Onboarding wealthy collectors: friction + sticker shock 35:48 – Curation, custody, and NFT funds as bridges 37:22 – Can outsiders “feel it” without the chats? Not yet 38:52 – Is recommending digital art scary? On risk & Lindy effects 40:19 – The collector’s journey: pain → pride → taste 41:57 – Where are we in the NFT art cycle? Re-ratings ahead 43:45 – Token incentives = attention fuel, but fleeting 44:48 – Toward automated, attention-driven art funds (later) 46:11 – Shiny objects vs. signal; what the experiments teach 48:00 – AI upends moats; community as the moat 49:39 – One-to-one media future; end of “one-to-many” 51:00 – Human connection, shared experiences become scarce 51:40 – Art as cultural capsule in an AI world 53:06 – Marfa event as a “marker stone” 54:13 – Small world energy; one degree of separation 55:18 – Thanks + closing… 55:37 – One last Q: why Raoul goes against the grain 56:05 – Rebellion roots; living in the future 57:38 – Do it differently; travel > prestige paths 59:50 – Be yourself in the age of AI; find your voice 01:00:26 – Comfort zone ≠ where the magic happens https://x.com/RaoulGMI https://x.com/XCOPYART https://x.com/kimasendorf https://x.com/toadswiback

    57 min

  7. SEP 26

    Adrian Pocobelli: from Ballard to digital art

    00:33 - Welcome Adrian Pocobelli  01:39 - Discovering the counterculture  07:10 - The desire to collect  13:05 - The Stone Roses, The Smiths, and J. G. Ballard  19:00 - Neoplatonism and psychedelics  24:30 - Learning the craft of graphic design  26:50 - Becoming a broadcaster  29:05 - Finding crypto, Objkt and Tezos  31:35 - The difference between crypto art and art on the blockchain  34:52 - The evolution of the NFT space  39:45 - The complexities of running a marketplace  44:05 - Chain-specific culture  45:51 - The Pocobelli Collection on Verse  46:45 - What does it mean to be a digital gallery  51:07 - The difference between a traditional and digital understanding  54:42 - The thinking behind Artist Journal  01:02:10 - Speaking on inspiration vs. plagiarism  01:08:50 - Derivative culture in the space  01:12:40 - Placing the focus on the art rather than the market  01:14:50 - The Kurt Hustle Collective and WeB'97  01:21:41 - An Italian sensibility and open-minded approach  01:26:20 - The future of digital art 01:31:15 - Creating a welcoming environment for new collectors  01:35:30 - Educating new entrants to the space  Adrian Pocobelli: https://x.com/pocobelli  Kurt Hustle Collective: https://x.com/kurthustle97  Terry Visual: https://x.com/terryvisual  JNK: https://x.com/jnk101  haydiroket: https://x.com/haydiroket

    1h 41m

  8. SEP 19

    Sebastian Sanchez: digital art at Christie's, auction models, and the power of relational dynamics

    00:45 - Welcome Sebastian Sanchez  08:55 - A journey into digital art  11:05 - Christie's 3.0 and joining the team  17:44 - Developing a commercial mindset  20:40 - Finding the right market fit  22:30 - Nurturing artist and collector relationships  25:05 - Highlights across the last three years  26:58 - Curatorial vs commercial perspectives  30:18 - The effect of an open market on institutional Web3 adoption  32:12 - The closure of Christie's digital art department  35:05 - The implications of digital work in the evening sale   38:42 - Winning collections and building the narrative  43:40 - Dynamics between primary and secondary markets  45:55 - Institutional vs. market credibility  48:00 - The reality of a nascent space  52:04 - A changing collector base  54:26 - A moment of future historical importance  56:19 - Sebastian's artist highlights  57:40 - The emergence of a merged market  01:00:28 - Verse roundtable  01:02:00 - V001: In Real Time recap  01:08:27 - The power of relational dynamics and mixed lots  01:14:26 - Marketing, strategies and themed lots  01:25:25 - Upcoming in-person events and gallery shows  01:27:45 - $PNKSTR  01:30:47 - Traditional art market decline  01:36:30 - Jack Butcher's Gas Wars  01:38:48 - Eric De Giuli and Zero (Broken Symmetry)  01:47:00 - Artist highlights  Sebastian Sanchez: https://x.com/sebastianss527  Lowbie: https://x.com/archivepilled  Thelonious Stokes: https://www.instagram.com/thelonious_art  Sachcoo The Arty: https://x.com/sachcoo_thearty  James Bloom: https://x.com/crashblossom1  Maya Man: https://x.com/mayaonthenet  Joe Pease: https://x.com/joepease  William Mapan: https://x.com/williamapan

    1h 54m
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