When We Die Talks

Zach Ancell

When We Die Talks is a collection of real conversations with real people about death, meaning, and what it’s like to be human. Each week, host Zach Ancell speaks with an anonymous caller. It begins with one question: What do you think happens when we die? From there, the conversation goes wherever it goes. Belief. Doubt. Loss. Relief. Fear. Sometimes even laughter. These aren’t experts or public figures. Just everyday people saying the quiet parts out loud. The result is raw, unpredictable, and deeply human. New anonymous calls every Tuesday. Want to add your voice? Apply to be a caller at whenwedietalks.com. Leave a voicemail and share a belief, a question, or a moment you can’t shake about death: 971-328-0864.

  1. 1d ago

    Anonymous #49 — Is It Okay to Need Them to Stay When They've Made Peace With Dying?

    Our caller's framework for what happens after we die starts with basic physics: energy can't be created or destroyed. From there, they work backward. If someone survives a traumatic brain injury and comes out unable to remember who they used to be, wanting different things than they did before, are they still the same person? Our caller thinks so. Just changed. It's the same logic they apply to death itself. Their partner has a terminal illness, and has had it since before the two of them met. Long before this relationship, their partner had already lost two former partners, one to a drunk driving accident and one to COVID, so grief wasn't a new subject between them. Their partner has a phrase for it: grief and joy are sisters. Our caller didn't understand that phrase at first. They came to understand it slowly, through other kinds of loss along the way. Early in the relationship, our caller caught themselves hesitating before telling their partner they were upset about something, wondering if it was worth rocking the boat. They decided almost immediately that it wasn't a real option. Treating a partner more carefully just because they're dying, they realized, isn't a relationship. It's something closer to caretaking. So conflict stayed on the table, same as it would for anyone. They've also thought through the practical side of death more than most people twice their age: a natural burial, wrapped in muslin, buried with flowers, composted into the ground. They want to be in the room when their partner dies, and to help prepare the body afterward, if their partner is willing. They've watched pets die, watched a grandmother taken off life support, even sat in on autopsies during a college internship. Their reasoning: avoiding death doesn't protect anyone from it. It just means it's kicking your door in later. In this conversation: Believing energy can't be created or destroyed, and what that might mean after deathTraumatic brain injury and the question of what makes someone "still themselves"Grief and joy as "sisters," a phrase passed down from a partner who has lost two previous partnersRefusing to let a terminal diagnosis change how conflict gets handled in a relationshipPlanning a natural burial, human composting, and witnessing death firsthandBook recommendation: Black Liturgies by Cole Arthur Riley and Will My Cat Eat My Eyeballs? by Caitlin Doughty — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #49 — Is It Okay to Need Them to Stay When They've Made Peace With Dying?
  2. Sep 1

    Anonymous #48 — Would You Believe a Sign From the Dead More If Someone Else Had the Same One?

    The caller was raised by two atheist parents who explained death the way you'd explain any other natural process: you die, you break down, you go back into the earth. They never fully believed it. Their grandmother offered something else, reincarnation, and the caller spent years circling that belief instead, even as they kept collecting moments that didn't fit cleanly into either story. The strangest one came from their own child, three years old at the time, who had a sudden and vivid memory of dying somewhere else entirely, complete with a name and a place, then lost the memory completely an hour later like it had never happened. Years after that, the caller fell for a partner with the opposite belief system, a devout Christian convinced God would save them even as cancer made that less and less likely. In the days before the diagnosis came back, a crow flew into the caller's office and died at their door, an omen their grandmother had always warned them about. The caller was in the room when their partner died, and watched something shift in their eyes in the final moment. About a week later, the caller's bed shook like an earthquake and they dreamed their partner came to them inside a ship, telling them not to be afraid. When the caller mentioned it to their sibling as a strange story, the sibling said they'd had their own dream that same night, one that ended in a single word only the caller and their partner had ever shared. The caller never told their sibling that word. What they landed on by the end of the call wasn't a belief. It was contentment, and boundaries they'd fought hard to build. In this conversation: Being raised by two atheist parents, and the reincarnation their grandmother taught them insteadTheir child's sudden, unprompted memory of a past life at age three, and how completely it disappeared afterA crow that died at the caller's office door in the days before their partner's cancer diagnosis came backThe dream the caller had the week their partner died, and their sibling's corroborating dream the same nightA family religious confrontation at the caller's father's bedside while he was dyingChoosing contentment and strong boundaries over a settled answer about what happens nextBook recommendation: Henry and June by Anaïs Nin — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #48 — Would You Believe a Sign From the Dead More If Someone Else Had the Same One?
  3. Aug 25

    Anonymous #47 — When Someone Dies Why Does Everyone Stop Saying Their Name?

    A note before we start: This episode includes discussion of a suicidal crisis and the loss of a pregnancy. If that's more than you can take in today, that's okay, come back to this one when you're ready. The caller keeps their twin daughters' ashes inside a teddy bear on a shelf beside their bed. Most mornings, they say good morning. The girls' names were Scarlet and Violet, named, in part, for Pokémon. Long before that loss, the caller had already been thinking about how to speak to someone who's grieving. Sitting with an aunt who'd lost her son to COVID, the caller decided to just ask instead of guessing: Do you want me to say his name? Her answer was yes, it made her smile. Bobby. That same instinct, ask, don't assume, is what the caller carried into everything that followed: a partner lost in Afghanistan, a German Shepherd named Whiskey who stayed by their side through a suicidal crisis, and a pregnancy loss they now understand, through the work of Dr. Katherine Shear, as complicated grief. In the middle of that loss, a stray cat showed up outside their door and never left. They named him Sergeant Scout. In this conversation: Losing a partner in Afghanistan, and years later, twin daughters during pregnancyA period of suicidal crisis, and finding a way back from itAsking an aunt whether she wants to hear her late son's name, and carrying that question into their own griefA German Shepherd named Whiskey, and a rescued cat named Sergeant ScoutLearning about complicated grief through the work of Dr. Katherine ShearDeciding, deliberately, how they want their daughters spoken ofBook recommendation: Frankenstein by Mary Shelley — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #47 — When Someone Dies Why Does Everyone Stop Saying Their Name?
  4. Aug 18

    Anonymous #46 — Can You Hope for an Afterlife That Was Your Partner's Worst Nightmare?

    Content note: This episode includes discussion of suicide, physician-assisted death, psychosis, and serious illness. The caller and their late partner met when they were nineteen. For the better part of a decade they were each other's person, the one you call with good news, bad news, or at 4am when you can't stop thinking about what it will feel like to stop existing. For most of that time, the caller was the one afraid of death. Their partner wasn't. Then their partner, searching for anything that might work against treatment-resistant depression, tried psilocybin. It went badly enough that they developed schizophrenia. The person who used to be at peace with the idea of nothing spent the rest of their life terrified of a very specific something, an afterlife they'd seen in that trip and believed was waiting for them. What follows is not a straight line. There's electroconvulsive therapy and the brain damage that came with it. A period that looked, briefly, like hope: the partner coming out as trans, seeming more alive than they had in years. A breakup that was really an act of care. A vein at the temple that only shows when someone is dangerously underweight, and doctors who looked past it. And, in the end, something the caller is careful to call by its real name: a death with dignity, chosen with a death doula, not a crisis. The caller talks about all of it, including where they are now: still afraid of death, but less afraid than before, because for the first time in their life they're the one hoping something comes next. Not despite what happened to their partner, but because of it. Stay through to the very end of this one. Our caller shared a story after our conversation was over that's worth the listen. In this conversation: What it means to lose someone who was, for years, more at peace with death than you wereA mushroom trip that triggered psychosis, and the years-long shift that followed: electroconvulsive therapy, a gender transition, a slow physical declineTalking a partner through the idea of dying by choice, and the legal patchwork around death with dignityA friend's theory that memory is physical, and what that means for griefGrowing a bat flower, and what it means to still want to see something bloomBook recommendation: The Master and Margarita by Mikhail Bulgakov — see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here. Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #46 — Can You Hope for an Afterlife That Was Your Partner's Worst Nightmare?
  5. Aug 4

    Anonymous #45 — How Would You Know If a Message From the Dead Was Real?

    Our caller was sitting in a college class when a professor, mid-lecture, turned and looked directly at them and asked what it might have been like to be sheltered with your partner under a mantle in Pompeii, watching ash come down. The caller says every hair on their arm stood up. That was the professor's window into something he already suspected about them. Years later, at an artist market, a stranger asked for a reading. The caller doesn't usually charge, and doesn't usually push, but something came through anyway: a message from the woman's late grandfather, gone three years, about a Salisbury steak dinner at a nursing home and a family joke he'd sworn her father to secrecy over. The woman called her father on the spot. He confirmed it, word for word. The caller was raised in the Bible belt, got kicked out of a few churches as a kid for asking the wrong questions, and has spent years since building a belief system with room for all of it: heaven, reincarnation, nothing at all, and fifty other doors besides, none of them locking anyone out for good. These days, they're also working toward a graduate degree in forensic anthropology, with the goal of helping identify people found in mass graves so their families can finally bring them home. In this conversation: Growing up a medium in the Bible belt, and what got them kicked out of churchThe professor, Pompeii, and the moment logic stopped being enoughA grandfather's message about Salisbury steak that convinced a grieving familyThe horse spirit that's followed the caller their whole lifeBelieving in "fifty doors" instead of one version of the afterlifeStudying forensic anthropology to help identify people in mass gravesBook recommendations: The Giver by Lois Lowry and Forgotten Fire by Adam Bagdasarian (see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here) Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #45 — How Would You Know If a Message From the Dead Was Real?
  6. Jul 28

    Anonymous #44 — What Do You Lose When You Carry Other People's Pain?

    Content note: this episode centers on suicide loss, discussed directly. If that's not something you're in a place for today, it's okay to sit this one out. Our caller found their housemate in the home they shared, staged in a way that made sure they'd be the one to find him. He'd also been their romantic partner at one point, and one of their closest friends. The application that got them on this call was written about a month shy of the one-year mark. They used to believe in ghosts, built on a childhood theory that energy can't be created or destroyed, so it has to go somewhere. Standing alone in that house afterward, they gave it every chance to prove them right. Nothing came, and that absence is what moved them somewhere new. In the days after, they became the one holding the certainty for everyone else. Friends kept saying it wasn't sinking in, that they couldn't believe it. And our caller, having seen it themselves, became the person other people leaned on to say it was real. A recurring dream followed: finding him alive again, undone each time by a conspiracy where everyone who loved them had lied to punish them. Even inside the dream, the relief of him being alive outweighed the betrayal. In the years since, part of that dream became true in its own way. Not him coming back, but the blame that landed on them anyway. In this conversation: A childhood theory about ghosts built on thermodynamics and energyLosing a friend to suicide in middle school, and an aunt's suicide years laterBecoming the one holding the certainty for a friend group that couldn't accept what happenedA PTSD diagnosis and a recurring dream about a faked deathLosing a shared friend group after the loss, and where the blame landedA missing stretch of memory that swallowed a birthdayAvoidance, discomfort, and getting through a worst-case scenario that actually happenedBook recommendation: The Death of Jane Lawrence by Caitlin Starling (see the full list of Anonymous Book Recommendations here) Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #44 — What Do You Lose When You Carry Other People's Pain?
  7. Jul 21

    Anonymous #43 — Is Being Forgotten Worse Than Dying?

    This week's caller calls themself a radical death advocate. Not because they think dying is good, but because they see it as a part of the life cycle we're better off accepting than fighting. They're mostly at peace with the first death, the physical one. It's the second death, the one where your name stops being spoken, that they're still working through. From there the conversation moves through an ofrenda they keep in their home for a close friend they lost suddenly last year, and what it means for that friend to become part of the conversation every time someone new comes over. They talk about Day of the Dead, growing up between two countries, and a choice to focus on the decades someone lived rather than the last week of their life. They end on where they'd go first if they could see more of the world. In this conversation: Being a radical death advocate, and choosing to accept dying rather than treat it as the enemyThe idea of two deaths: the death of the body, and the last time anyone says your nameBuilding and keeping an ofrenda, and what it means to talk about someone you've lost every time a friend visitsReframing grief around a lifetime lived, instead of the final days of itWanting to see more of the world, starting with the CaucasusBook recommendation: Unwind by Neal Shusterman All Anonymous Book Recommendations: View the full list Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube. About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #43 — Is Being Forgotten Worse Than Dying?
  8. Jul 14

    Anonymous #42 — Who Takes Care of the Person Who Is Living for Everyone Else?

    This week's caller was diagnosed as a type one diabetic when they were 22 months old. They've spent their entire life managing something that can genuinely kill them in either direction, and death has been a fact of daily life rather than a distant idea. From there the conversation moves fast and wide. A reference to Coco and what it means to be remembered. The Big Bang and where the energy to start it came from. Consciousness, and why science still can't explain it. Being raised Catholic and no longer able to fully believe it, while also not able to fully let go of it either. There's a period in high school the caller went through completely alone, lying to their parents and saying nothing to their friends. It's what diabetics call burnout, a point where the constant work of managing a condition every hour of every day just becomes too much to keep up.  Out of it came a decision to spend their nights taking calls from classmates instead of asking for help themselves, some of those calls going until 2am. That decision turned into something more permanent: a sense that their own survival isn't really about them. It's about their parents, their brother, their friends, and the people they haven't met yet. In this conversation: Coco, the Big Bang, and what it means to be remembered after you're goneDiagnosed at 22 months old, and growing up inside a condition rather than adjusting to oneThe freshman year burnout no one else knew about, and what came out the other side of itSonder, The Egg by Andy Weir, and the idea that no one else's unkindness is really about youLiving for other people as a stated philosophy, not a coping mechanismBook recommendation: The Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson All Anonymous Book Recommendations: View the full list Video Episode: If you'd like to watch this conversation instead of just listening, you can find the video version on YouTube About When We Die Talks: When We Die Talks is a podcast built around anonymous conversations about death, loss, and how contemplating mortality shapes the way we live. If you’re new here, start with the Episode Guide. It’s designed to help you find conversations that match where you’re at—curiosity, grief, hesitation, or openness. Stay Connected 🌐 Website: whenwedietalks.com 📰 Substack: When We Die Talks 📸 Instagram: @whenwedietalks ▶️ YouTube: When We Die Talks ✉️ Email: zach@whenwedietalks.com Want to share your thoughts? Leave a voicemail at 971-328-0864 and share what you believe happens when we die. Messages may be featured in a future episode. If you’d like to have a full conversation, you can apply to be an anonymous caller at whenwedietalks.com.

    Anonymous #42 — Who Takes Care of the Person Who Is Living for Everyone Else?

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When We Die Talks is a collection of real conversations with real people about death, meaning, and what it’s like to be human. Each week, host Zach Ancell speaks with an anonymous caller. It begins with one question: What do you think happens when we die? From there, the conversation goes wherever it goes. Belief. Doubt. Loss. Relief. Fear. Sometimes even laughter. These aren’t experts or public figures. Just everyday people saying the quiet parts out loud. The result is raw, unpredictable, and deeply human. New anonymous calls every Tuesday. Want to add your voice? Apply to be a caller at whenwedietalks.com. Leave a voicemail and share a belief, a question, or a moment you can’t shake about death: 971-328-0864.

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