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Some of today’s most topical issues polarise people. In Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole, Lily breaks down the echo chambers of modern life, exploring the nuance of debate and the power of conversation in finding our way to solutions. Interviewing leading experts, activists and founders on topics such as technology, food, gender and capitalism, Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole encourages us to listen deeply, and choose optimism.
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Some of today’s most topical issues polarise people. In Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole, Lily breaks down the echo chambers of modern life, exploring the nuance of debate and the power of conversation in finding our way to solutions. Interviewing leading experts, activists and founders on topics such as technology, food, gender and capitalism, Who Cares Wins with Lily Cole encourages us to listen deeply, and choose optimism.
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    How much should we care? With Patti Smith, Jonathan Safran Foer, Joshua Oppenheimer, Farhana Yamin, Julia Samuels and Wade Davis

    How much should we care? With Patti Smith, Jonathan Safran Foer, Joshua Oppenheimer, Farhana Yamin, Julia Samuels and Wade Davis

    In this final season episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily explores the overwhelm and grief that can come with climate action. But conversely, if we truly understand the destruction that is taking place, why do we continue with business as usual? Are many of us living in denial? We hear from poet-songwriter Patti Smith about what she learned from the Dalai Lama. Writer Jonathan Safran Foer discusses the emphatic leap required; and film-maker Joshua Oppenheimer shares what he learnt about cognitive dissonance when filming The Act of Killing, and the stories we tell ourselves to justify our actions. Lily also speaks with climate activist and lawmaker Farhana Yamin about her journey to and through eco-grief, and psychologist Julia Samuels discusses her clinical experience of eco-grief and anxiety, and tools we might use to lesson overwhelm. Finally, Wade Davis offers wisdom from Tibet.
     
    You can find out more about Farhana Yamin and Jonathan Safran Foer, as well as many of the themes explored in this episode, in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.
    Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH
    Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtr
    Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM
    With thanks to the How to Academy for allowing us the use of the interview with Jonathan Safran Foer. How to Academy have their own weekly podcast featuring some of the world's leading thinkers - available to stream from How To Academy dot com or wherever you get your podcasts.
    www.howtoacademy.com/podcasts
    And thanks to Yeti Television for allowing us the use of the interview with Patti Smith, as well as to Liz Friend, the Producer and Director of the interview.
     
    Please find a reading list and more information from our featured guests:
    Jonathan Safran Foer: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/310/310101/we-are-the-weather/9780241984918.html
    Joshua Oppenheimer: https://shop.bfi.org.uk/joshua-oppenheimer-12-early-works.html
    Julia Samuels: https://www.waterstones.com/book/this-too-shall-pass/julia-samuel/9780241348864
    Wade Davis: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

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    Is this the end of The Empire? With Wade Davis, Vanessa Nakate, Sam Lee, Putanny Luiza and Chief Nixiwake

    Is this the end of The Empire? With Wade Davis, Vanessa Nakate, Sam Lee, Putanny Luiza and Chief Nixiwake

    In this episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily speaks to a selection of thinkers and leaders to talk about the cultural, political and social forces that are at play in shaping how we respond to the ecological crisis: whether identity politics risks damaging community; and whether we can protect and preserve cultural identity without xenophobia. Professor of Anthropology at the University of British Columbia Wade Davis, speaks to Lily about his Rolling Stone Article highlighting Covid-19 as the pivotal shift in the unravelling of the American Empire, but also what we can learn from the indigenous communities he’s studied during his career. 
    This episode also features an interview with two members of the the Yawanawa Amazonian tribe on what they believe our different cultures can learn from one another. Lily speaks to youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate about how clan identities in Ugandan culture have been used to preserve ecosystems; whilst folk song collector Sam Lee talks about how he seeks out the ancient oral traditions in the British Isles. The episode concludes with songs from Sam Lee and the Yawanawa.
    You can find out more about the themes touched on in this episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.
    Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH
    Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtr
    Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM
     
    To enter the competition to leave a review of the podcast for the chance to win a free download of the audiobook edition of Who Cares Wins, please enter your details and view the T&Cs here: https://www.penguin.co.uk/articles/2020/october/who-cares-wins.html
    Please find a reading list from our featured guests:
     
    Wade Davis's Rolling Stone Article: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/
    Wade Davis's book The Wayfinders: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9780887847660?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiAkan9BRAqEiwAP9X6UW-H1X56GFjHkOo_DzfROpdwLpgt5e8ZWABtUa0b8WWSihThX_veaBoCHwUQAvD_BwE
    Wade Davis' book Magdelena: https://blackwells.co.uk/bookshop/product/9781847926104?gC=5a105e8b&gclid=CjwKCAiAtK79BRAIEiwA4OskBv9MW_TD1T0Y-FAKLB1atGqPtMaiNUWCgod-mL-2c7hKLyX2hF5jMRoCwnQQAvD_BwE
     
     
    Vanessa Nakate's climate speech at The 10th annual Desmond Tutu peace lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLOi04L0OHo&feature=emb_logo
     
    Sam Lee's Nightingale book: https://www.penguin.co.uk/authors/1085629/sam-lee.html
    Sam Lee's album Old Wow: https://samleesong.co.uk/recordings/old-wow/ 
     
     
    Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

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    • 57 min
    Is more better? With George Monbiot, Andrew McAfee, Aja Barber, John Sauven, Lisa Jackson and Merlin Sheldrake

    Is more better? With George Monbiot, Andrew McAfee, Aja Barber, John Sauven, Lisa Jackson and Merlin Sheldrake

    In this week’s episode of Who Cares Wins, Lily explores how global economic development has both contributed to the climate crisis and, others argue, is helping solve it.
    Lily speaks to the thought leaders in sustainability who question relentless economic growth: fashion consultant Aja Barber, director of Greenpeace UK John Sauven, and writer George Monbiot.
    Lily also explores the other side of the debate; looking at Lisa Jackson’s work at Apple as a case study of corporate environmental ambition; and speaking with the principal research scientist at MIT Andrew Mcafee, who argues that it is possible to decouple economic growth from environmental impact, and that intense competition and technology (through growth) is already helping us to get “more from less.”
    Finally, biologist and author Merlin Sheldrake helps listeners understand the role of growth, cooperation and competition in evolution.
    You can learn more from George Monbiot, Lisa Jackson and other advocates of conscious consumerism or de-growth in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.
    Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtr
    Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH
    Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM
    Please find a reading list from our featured guests, or their references:

    Merlin Sheldrake - Entangled Life: How Fungi Make Our Worlds, Change Our Minds and Shape Our Futures: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/1115381/entangled-life/9781847925190.html George Monbiot - Feral: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/180586/feral/9780141975580.html George Monbiot - Out of the Wreckage: https://www.versobooks.com/books/2732-out-of-the-wreckageAndrew McAfee - More from Less: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/More-from-Less/Andrew-McAfee/9781982103583Jason Hickels - Less is More: https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1119823/less-is-more/9781785152498.htmlDavid Pilings - The Growth Delusion: https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/the-growth-delusion-9781408893722/
    Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

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    • 1 hr 2 min
    What Can We Believe? With David Attenborough, Carole Cadwalladr, Alan Rusbridger, Vanessa Nakate, and Rutger Bregman

    What Can We Believe? With David Attenborough, Carole Cadwalladr, Alan Rusbridger, Vanessa Nakate, and Rutger Bregman

    Building on the conversation from the previous episode, Lily investigates how our public awareness is shaped by the media we consume. Lily speaks with Carole Cadwalladr - the groundbreaking investigative journalist who broke The Facebook–Cambridge Analytica scandal; as well as Alan Rusbridger, the former Guardian editor-in-chief and member of the Facebook Oversight Board. Lily also hears from Ugandan youth climate activist Vanessa Nakate on how she uses social media to draw attention to marginalised voices; and David Attenborough on the importance of television for growing environmental awareness. The episode concludes with a thought provoking conversation with historian and author Rutger Bregman about our negativity bias, and why perhaps, we should simply read less news.
    With thanks to the Radio Times for giving permission to use the interview with David Attenborough, and to Hay Festival for their permission to use the interview with Rutger Bregman.
    You can find out more about the themes touched on in episode, as well as many others in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.
    Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtr
    Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH
    Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM
     
    Please find a reading list from our featured guests:
    David Attenborough's new book, A Life on Our Planet:
    Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30HCjCO
    Audible: https://bit.ly/2FyV3g5
    Carole Cadwalladr’s Ted Talk:
    https://www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy?language=pt-br
    Rutger Bregman’s latest book: Humankind: a hopeful history
    https://www.waterstones.com/book/humankind/rutger-bregman/9781408898932
    Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

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    • 47 min
    Can you change the system from the inside? With Zac Goldsmith, Farhana Yamin, Caroline Lucas and Dr Gail Bradbrook

    Can you change the system from the inside? With Zac Goldsmith, Farhana Yamin, Caroline Lucas and Dr Gail Bradbrook

    In light of the UN’s call for “transformative systemic change”, in this week’s episode Lily explores how that systemic change might actually happen: wondering if our legal and political machinery is up to the task, and asking why people are taking to the streets, and even getting arrested, to try to change our laws.
     
    Lily speaks to four environmentalists who share similar aims but very different pathways: an MP and Minister working with and within the UK government; activists activity rebelling against the UK government; law makers and law breakers.
     
    Guests include the UK’s Conservative Environmental Minister Zac Goldsmith, Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, environmental lawyer and activist Farhana Yamin and co-founder of Extinction Rebellion Gail Bradbrook.  
     
    Questioning whether the pressure from the outside is necessary to shift gears in the conversation, this is a fascinating episode that ultimately explores where power lies in a crisis. You can hear more from Farhana Yamin, Caroline Lucas, Gail Bradbrook, and other protestors and politicians in Lily’s book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now in hardback, ebook and audiobook.
    Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH
    Waterstones: https://bit.ly/30OsUtr
    Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM
    Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

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    • 47 min
    Can you afford to be green if you’re not rich? With Professor Guy Standing, Mayor Tubbs, Natalie Foster, Alison Stine and Dr James Suzman

    Can you afford to be green if you’re not rich? With Professor Guy Standing, Mayor Tubbs, Natalie Foster, Alison Stine and Dr James Suzman

    This week, Lily addresses a paradox in the environmental movement - affordability. Is our economy structured in a way that makes being environmental prohibitively expensive? Or are the wealthy creating most of the emissions? How do we afford sustainability and can we afford not to?
     
    Speaking to a plethora of intellectuals, Lily explores the connections between equality and the environment - and looks at political solutions that seek to ally environmental sustainability with social justice. Lily speaks with the economist who has spent decades pushing forward a Universal Basic Income, Professor Guy Standing, co-founder of the Economic Security Project Natalie Foster and Mayor Tubbs who is leading a trial UBI project in California. This episode also includes writer Alison Stine, advocate of carbon pricing Elon Musk and anthropologist James Suzman who discusses the origins of inequality. As ever, Lily creates a space of discussion and discovery, encouraging us to seek optimism in the solutions that exist. 
    You can hear more from Guy Standing, Mayor Tubbs, Natalie Foster, James Suzman and many others in Lily's book, Who Cares Wins, which is out now:
    Waterstones: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH
    Audible: https://bit.ly/3jwS8UH
    Apple: https://apple.co/2XT7TvM
    Please find a reading list from our featured guests:
    Alison Stine - Road Out Of Winter https://www.harlequintradepublishing.com/shop/books/9780778309925_the-growers-tale.html
    James Suzman - Work: A history of how we spend our time. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Work-History-How-Spend-Time/dp/152660499X
    Guy Standing - Battling Eight Giants https://www.bloomsbury.com/uk/battling-eight-giants-9780755600632/
    Music featured in the episode by Cosmo Sheldrake: Wriggle and Wake Up Calls, featuring recordings of endangered birds in Britain. 

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What we need now

It’s incredible how timely Lily’s book and this podcast are. We’ve been approaching this state of crisis (paired with heightened social and technological evolution) for a while, but the current pandemic urges we as both society and individuals to carefully think about our role in this planet. Lily’s thoughtful interviews bring many aspects we can consider to come to our own conclusions - or further questions to keep the conversation going.

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Ronnie Lawson

Big hugs to you, Paul and all who are working toward a world where we don’t eat animals.

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