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Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world. Disclosure: I'm a nocoiner.

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Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world. Disclosure: I'm a nocoiner.

    Solend and Bancor Drama: Did These DAOs Violate the Ethos of Crypto?

    Solend and Bancor Drama: Did These DAOs Violate the Ethos of Crypto?

    Derek Hsue, cofounder at Reverie, discusses the recent controversial decisions by Solend DAO and Bancor, the importance of establishing processes for black swan events, and whether decentralized governance truly exists. Show highlights:
    what situation prompted Solend to feel it was in jeopardy what Solend DAO’s response was to that situation why Derek views it as “the nuclear option” why the proposal sparked an outcry from the crypto community whether this issue could have been prevented or managed differently if the protocol was built on a blockchain other than Solana why, a day later, the DAO reversed its first decision to take over the whale’s account whether Derek thinks the DAO made the right decision to not take over the whale’s account what is Impermanent Loss Protection, a feature offered by Bancor why Bancor decided to pause Impermanent Loss Protection whether Celsius and 3AC had anything to do with Bancor’s problem how Bancor’s decision was made unilaterally how DAOs should deal with black swan events  
     
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    EPISODE LINKS  
    Derek
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/derek_hsue  
    Reverie
    Website: https://www.reverie.ooo/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/hi_reverie  
    Solend DAO Situation
    Covered on Monday’s Unchained Newsletter: https://unchainedpodcast.com/does-this-dao-deserve-emergency-power%e2%81%89%ef%b8%8f/ Proposal to invalidate the first one: https://decrypt.co/103330/solana-lending-dao-overturns-vote-to-take-over-at-risk-whale-wallet The whale moved $25 million from Solend: https://www.theblock.co/post/153207/solana-whale-shuffles-25-million-to-reduce-risk-to-defi-protocol-solend  
    Bancor Pausing Impermanent Loss Protection
    Bancor’s post: https://blog.bancor.network/market-conditions-update-june-19-2022-e5b857b39336 Anthony Sassano’s reaction: https://twitter.com/sassal0x/status/1539082583832526848?s=20&t=OzTV6M5bCH4fxJIJUtLA4Q  
    DAO Governance issues:
    Lido DAO proposes to reduce the existing scope of governance of its token holders: https://research.lido.fi/t/ldo-steth-dual-governance/2382 Jack Niewold 's thread: https://twitter.com/JackNiewold/status/1539307339928457217?s=20&t=OzTV6M5bCH4fxJIJUtLA4Q Unchained Coverage: How Soulbound Tokens Could Reduce Speculation and Improve DAO Voting – Ep.360: https://unchainedpodcast.com/how-soul-bound-tokens-could-reduce-speculation-and-improve-dao-voting-ep-360/  
     
    Main tweet
    On this Friday’s Unchained, Derek Hsue explains:
    * why the first Solend DAO vote was the “nuclear option”
    * whether Solana’s history of downtime spurred the proposal
    * Bancor’s decision to stop Impermanent Loss Protection
    * what this all means for DAO governance

    • 34 min
    CFTC Commissioner Caroline Pham on Why US Crypto Regulators Get a B-

    CFTC Commissioner Caroline Pham on Why US Crypto Regulators Get a B-

    Caroline Pham, commissioner at the Commodities Futures Trading Commission, discusses how we should build a regulatory framework for crypto assets, whether the SEC and CFTC should work together, what were the consequences of the Terra collapse, and much more. Show highlights:
    how Cmr. Pham got started in crypto and became a CFTC commissioner the importance of the regulatory strategy around crypto what crypto’s role is in the financial system how bitcoin is a sort of money outside of the traditional financial system how friendly regulators should be with the industries they regulate why she believes transparency is one of the greatest ideals of American democracy how Cmr. Pham believes in self-determination and the power of free markets why Cmr. Pham published an op-ed with SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce how the Terra collapse incentivized regulators to look deeper into the space whether the US approach towards regulation can improve the role of the regulatory agencies in making the US the financial leader of the world what Cmr. Pham thinks about the new Gillibrand and Lummis bill whether SEC Chair Gary Gensler is right about the majority of cryptos being securities what are the low-hanging fruit opportunities for regulators when it comes to crypto how Cmr. Pham believes we should have a global regulatory framework for crypto why she believes algorithmic stablecoins are derivatives why things like Terra could act as a “shadow banking 3.0” whether there is a way to regulate without having intermediaries what Cmr. Pham thinks about FTX proposal to bypass futures commission merchants   
    Thank you to our sponsors!  
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    EPISODE LINKS  
    Caroline Pham
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/CarolineDPham CFTC Profile: https://www.cftc.gov/About/Commissioners/CarolineDPham/index.htm


    Stablecoin regulation
     
    Financial Times article: https://www.ft.com/content/981c380f-bb1c-45bd-8d0d-a95b15d96a00 CNBC on crypto regulation: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/03/cryptocurrency-industry-focus-regulation-stablecoins-market-crash.html Unchained Coverage: Why Crypto Twitter’s Disrespect Toward Regulators Is a ‘Really Bad Business Decision’: https://unchainedpodcast.com/why-crypto-twitters-disrespect-toward-regulators-is-a-really-bad-business-decision/ Unchained Coverage: Can a DeFi Smart Contract Be Regulated? Two CFTC Commissioners Discuss: https://unchainedpodcast.com/can-a-defi-smart-contract-be-regulated-two-cftc-commissioners-discuss/ FTX proposal to serve as the trading engine for derivatives:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbrett/2022/04/27/the-ftx-us-proposal-that-shook-congress-and-the-crypto-derivatives-world/?sh=3dac29ef4e19 Unchained Coverage: FTX Wants to Compete with CME – Here’s Why It’s a Big Deal: https://unchainedpodcast.com/ftx-wants-to-compete-with-cme-heres-why-its-a-big-deal/  
    Hester Peirce
    Caroline’s op-ed with SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce: https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/3503277-making-progress-on-decentralized-regulation-its-time-to-talk-about-crypto-together/ Hester Peirce's token safe harbor proposal: https://decrypt.co/66453/secs-hester-peirce-floats-revised-crypto-safe-harbor-rules Unchained Coverage: Hester Peirce’s Former Counsel on Terra 2.0, XRP and a Bitcoin Spot ETF: https://unchainedpodcast.com/hester-peirces-former-counsel-on-terra-2-0-xrp-and-a-bitcoin-spot-etf/


    Gillibrand/Lummis bill: 
    https://fortune.com/2022/06/09/cryptocurrency-senate-washington-lummis-gillibrand-regulation-congress/ Proposed Crypto Legislation is ‘Big Win’: https://unchainedpodcast.com/proposed-crypto-legislation-is-big-win/  
    Terra: Bloomberg on Terra collapse: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-24/terra-collapse-triggers-83-billion-decentralized-finance-slump SEC investigation of Terra: https://decrypt.co/102460/sec-terra-ust-s

    • 55 min
    Why Possible Insolvencies by Celsius and 3AC Could Spell Disaster for Crypto

    Why Possible Insolvencies by Celsius and 3AC Could Spell Disaster for Crypto

    Mika Honkasalo, independent crypto researcher, discusses what is happening with Celsius and Three Arrows Capital, the importance of having proper risk management, and the contagion effects on the industry.
     
    Show highlights:
    why is it so significant that Celsius paused withdrawals what is stETH and why is it important to understand the Celsius situation how the Luna/UST debacle started a contagion effect in the crypto space why Celsius’s investors won’t bail the company out what will happen to Celsius’s retail customers what Three Arrows Capital (3AC) is and whether they have a solvency problem how 3AC was levered long and whether they had poor risk management who will be hurt if 3AC goes under what would be the effect of 3AC and Celsius collapsing which types of funds that Mika will be eyeing to see if they also end up in a similar situation to 3AC and Celsius why Mika would counsel anyone who keeps their money with centralized crypto lenders to scrutinize their practices  
    Thank you to our sponsors!  
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    EPISODE LINKS  
    Mika Honkasalo
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/mhonkasalo Substack: https://mhonkasalo.substack.com/ Mika’s writings on The Block: https://www.theblockcrypto.com/author/mika-honkasalo  
    Mika’s blog post on the stETH-ETH peg: https://mhonkasalo.substack.com/p/stetheth-peg-not-a-peg-presents-a?s=r
     
    Celsius announcement that they would be withholding assets: https://twitter.com/CelsiusNetwork/status/1536169010877739009?s=20&t=hL-ZsBSKZOLF-whTwNmjgw
     
    Nexo’s offer to buy Celsius assets: 
    https://twitter.com/Nexo/status/1536256598993211393?s=20&t=vKmJCZGNToaOqZU-TEjcDg
     
    Celsisus’s investors unlikely to bail out company: 
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/celsius-networks-investors-unlikely-to-provide-more-funds-to-bail-out-crypto-lender-11655395113
     
    Celsius hires restructuring lawyers: 
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/crypto-lender-celsius-hires-restructuring-lawyers-after-account-freeze-11655250575?tpl=br
     
    Why staked ETH is part of Celsius’s and 3AC’s woes: 
    https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/06/14/staked-ether-becomes-focus-of-crypto-stress-from-celsius-to-three-arrows/ 
     
    Conor Ryder on the stETH liquidity problem
    https://twitter.com/ConorRyder/status/1537130483007508480?s=20&t=pZGZf17ed_DyOS18CHExmQ
     
    The DeFi Edge on the 3AC situation: https://twitter.com/thedefiedge/status/1537465349976694786?s=20&t=Q29mo3EKSASasTenHVEm4Q
     
    Who else has exposure to 3AC: 
    https://fortune.com/2022/06/16/crypto-crash-hedge-fund-three-arrows-capital-insolvency-rumors-novogratz/ 
     
    3AC withholding $1M in assets from 8 Blocks Capital: 
    https://twitter.com/Danny8BC/status/1537224378554806272?s=20&t=Q29mo3EKSASasTenHVEm4Q
     
    Meltem Demirors explains the problem from the balance sheet perspective:
    https://twitter.com/Melt_Dem/status/1537155214897201153?s=20&t=Q29mo3EKSASasTenHVEm4Q
     
    Adam Levitin on Celsius bankruptcy
    https://twitter.com/AdamLevitin/status/1536932912674836481?s=20&t=Q29mo3EKSASasTenHVEm4Q
     
    degentrading on Why Celsius and 3AC going under should cause you to worry
    https://twitter.com/hodlKRYPTONITE/status/1536902115540742144?s=20&t=Q29mo3EKSASasTenHVEm4Q
     

    • 37 min
    The Legal and Regulatory Fallout From Terra's Collapse: Who Will Pay?

    The Legal and Regulatory Fallout From Terra's Collapse: Who Will Pay?

    Olta Andoni, deputy general counsel at Ava Labs, and Ari Redbord, head of legal and government affairs at TRM Labs, discuss the Terra stablecoin meltdown, implications for impending international regulations, and the history of stablecoin regulation internationally. Topics covered include:
    What the most important legal issues are for the Terra meltdown How the Terra implosion will trigger more regulation of the space How regulators seemed to think stablecoins should be regulated even before Terra How their approach differs between dollar-backed stablecoins vs. algorithmic vs. crypto collateral-backed coins How European regulators want stablecoin issuers to be treated like banks What the Lummis-Gillibrand bill would mean for US stablecoin regulation Whether Terra’s demise will mean that regulators won’t tolerate experimentation with algorithmic stablecoins  Why regulators will be skittish about stablecoins in response to Terra’s  meltdown Why Olta and Ari were impressed by the NY Department of Financial Services guidance on stablecoins What the establishment of SEC jurisdiction over Terraform Labs based on the Mirror investigation from last fall means for any enforcement action by the SEC over Terra  Whether Do Kwon and/or Terraform could face criminal charges in multiple jurisdictions Why international regulatory consistency is important in the crypto space Whether civil and class-action lawsuits against Terraform could be expected How Terra 2.0 could open TFL up to further action from regulators and law enforcement Why more education is needed to overcome anxiety about DeFi regulations How hack nondisclosures could be subject to government investigation  
    Thank you to our sponsors!
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    Episode Links
     
    Olta
    Avalanche https://www.avax.network/ Ava Labs https://www.avalabs.org/ LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/oltaandoni/ Twitter https://twitter.com/AndoniOlta  
    Ari
    TRM Labs Website:  https://www.trmlabs.com/ TRM Labs Twitter https://twitter.com/trmlabs?s=20&t=m24Ir0OerqPgEejlhL-bdQ TRM Talks https://www.trmlabs.com/category/trm-talks LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/ari-redbord-4054381b4/ Twitter https://twitter.com/ARedbord?s=20&t=m24Ir0OerqPgEejlhL-bdQ  
    Lummis-Gillibrand Bill
    Bill Introduction: https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/news/press/release/-lummis-gillibrand-introduce-landmark-legislation-to-create-regulatory-framework-for-digital-assets
    Legal Memo from DLx Law: https://dlxlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/DLX_FSV-summary_RFIA_060722.pdf Lummis-Gillibrand Section by Section Overview (summary by bill authors): https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Lummis-Gillibrand%20Section-by-Section%20%5bFinal%5d.pdf Responsible Financial Innovation Act (full text): https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Lummis-Gillibrand%20Responsible%20Financial%20Innovation%20Act%20%5bFinal%5d.pdf Blog post intro (by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand): https://gillibrandny.medium.com/the-responsible-financial-innovation-act-218a764abd6c  
    FINMA
    FINMA: https://www.finma.ch/en/
    FINMA on Stablecoins: https://www.finma.ch/en/news/2019/09/20190911-mm-stable-coins/
    FINMA Publishes Stablecoin Guidance: https://www.sif.admin.ch/sif/en/home/finanzmarktpolitik/digitalisation-financial-sector/stablecoins.html
     
    NY DFS
    Guidance on Stablecoin Issuance: https://www.dfs.ny.gov/industry_guidance/industry_letters/il20220608_issuance_stablecoins
    Press Release: https://www.dfs.ny.gov/reports_and_publications/press_releases/pr202206081
    CNBC Coverage: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/08/new-yorks-financial-watchdog-issues-stablecoin-guidance-calls-for-reserve-requirements.html
     
    SEC Actions Against Terra
    SEC Investigating UST Stablecoin Blowup in Fresh Threat to Terra: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-09/sec-

    • 1 hr 2 min
    The Chopping Block: Why Solana’s Frequent Downtime Doesn't Bother Kyle Samani

    The Chopping Block: Why Solana’s Frequent Downtime Doesn't Bother Kyle Samani

    Welcome to The Chopping Block – in person at Consensus in Austin! Crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Robert Leshner, and Tarun Chitra are joined by guest Kyle Samani of Multicoin Capital to chop it up about the latest news in the digital asset industry. Show topics:
    why Kyle believes people are too negative about the macro environment  how the only crypto product with product-market fit is parties what soulbound NFTs are, and what their pitfalls might be why Kyle and Robert have a beef between them why Kyle has a lot of run-ins with other people in crypto how Kyle thinks about Solana’s 12 instances of downtime over the last six months  how this has caused problems for SOL held in cold storage how Kyle and Robert think projects need to make tradeoffs between stability and adaptability why Kyle thinks every layer 1 and 2 will have a major failure over the next several years how Kyle thinks EVM chains are value-destructive how Tarun thinks zk L2s might be better aligned with the Ethereum ethos how Optimism’s market-making partner Wintermute was hacked for $20 million in OP why the hacker returned most of the money how programming language centralization makes sense how the Lummis-Gillibrand bill is a good opening salvo with respect to crypto regulation why they believe that being paid for staking is not the same as being paid a dividend how disclosure requirements could be onerous for small new projects how they think the crypto industry is moving up the learning curve for lobbying  why they believe the Lummis/Gillibrand bill will be changed to target stablecoins and DeFi more  
    EPISODE LINK
     
    Hosts
    Haseeb Qureshi, managing partner at Dragonfly Capital https://twitter.com/hosseeb Robert Leshner, founder of Compound  https://twitter.com/rleshner  Tarun Chitra, managing partner at Robot Ventures https://twitter.com/tarunchitra  
    Guest
    Kyle Samani, cofounder and managing partner of Multicoin Capital https://twitter.com/KyleSamani?s=20&t=DN1G0CNY7JR11OoXOAFD2g  
    Show Topics
    Wintermute Compromise Optimism Foundation statement: https://plaid-cement-e44.notion.site/A-Message-to-the-Community-from-the-Optimism-Foundation-f49b913bb0974d8a854a8bdd409a9dd6
    Wintermute statement:  https://gov.optimism.io/t/message-to-optimism-community-from-wintermute/2595
    https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/06/09/15m-of-optimism-tokens-stolen-by-an-attacker-after-wintermute-sent-wrong-wallet-address/#:~:text=Optimism%20is%20a%20permissionless%20network%20and%20behaved%20as%20intended.&text=Wintermute%2C%20for%20its%20part%2C%20says,make%20the%20protocol%20whole%20eventually.%E2%80%9D Osmosis Hack https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/150752/osmosis-dex-on-cosmos-exploited-for-5-million-as-validators-halt-the-network https://twitter.com/stake_fire/status/1534598315441913856?s=20&t=VvGyUlOjGSlhXXUwZvKszw Litecoin Delisting https://decrypt.co/102350/crypto-exchanges-delist-litecoin-privacy-feature-concerns Solana outage re: durable transactions (12 serious outages this year, about 2 a month) https://www.theblockcrypto.com/linked/149698/solana-blockchain-suffers-new-network-outage https://solana.com/news/06-01-22-solana-mainnet-beta-outage-report-2 Unchained episode with Andre Cronje about Solana’s downtime: https://unchainedpodcast.com/the-chopping-block-did-andre-cronje-pull-an-epic-crypto-rug-pull/  Cynthia Lummis & Kirsten Gillibrand presents landmark crypto bill Coindesk Coverage:  https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/06/07/key-us-senators-introduce-bill-outlining-sweeping-plan-for-future-crypto-rules/
    Legal Memo from DLXLaw: https://dlxlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/DLX_FSV-summary_RFIA_060722.pdf Lummis-Gillibrand Section by Section Overview (summary by bill authors): https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Lummis-Gillibrand%20Section-by-Section%20%5bFinal%5d.pdf Responsible Financial Innovation Act (full text): https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/imo/m

    • 1 hr 5 min
    The Lummis/Gillibrand Crypto Bill: Is the 'Ancillary Token' Approach the Best Way?

    The Lummis/Gillibrand Crypto Bill: Is the 'Ancillary Token' Approach the Best Way?

    Lewis Cohen, lead attorney at DLx Law LLC, joins to discuss the recently proposed Lummis-Gillibrand bill, the Responsible Financial Innovation Act, which he helped shape. In this episode, we cover: 
    how Lewis was impressed by Gillibrand’s and Lummis’s offices’ hard work and bipartisanship   how the bill creates a new definition for an “ancillary asset” with split oversight responsibilities between the CFTC and the SEC  how the bill proposes a test of managerial centralization as a determinant of disclosure requirements for digital assets  his response to criticism that the ancillary token approach is more complicated than need be and gives too much power to the SEC  why the bill didn't adopt an approach more similar to something like SEC Commissioner Hester Peirce’s token safe harbor proposal  how Lewis would respond to SEC Chair Gary Gensler’s contention that the vast majority of digital assets are securities  how Cohen is concerned about legislation or regulation impinging on basic freedoms to transact by over-applying securities regulation what kind of SEC disclosures will be required for “ancillary assets” and the requirements for projects to be able to cease mandatory disclosure how the bill defines stablecoins whether the requirement for stablecoins to maintain reserves means the end of algorithmic stablecoins or whether they will just be called something else how the bill handles DAOs and how legislation in this area must be delicate why Lewis believes the proposal is a “bright spot” for thoughtful US legislation and bipartisanship why he doesn’t see the bill being adopted in the current Congress  Thank you to our sponsors!
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    EPISODE LINKS 
     
    Lewis Cohen 
    DLx Law LLC: https://dlxlaw.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/NYcryptolawyer  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lewis-cohen-a3211410/  
    Lummis-Gillibrand Proposal (Responsible Financial Innovation Act) 
    Legal Memo from DLXLaw : https://dlxlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/DLX_FSV-summary_RFIA_060722.pdf Lummis-Gillibrand Section by Section Overview (summary by bill authors): https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Lummis-Gillibrand%20Section-by-Section%20%5bFinal%5d.pdf Responsible Financial Innovation Act (full text): https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Lummis-Gillibrand%20Responsible%20Financial%20Innovation%20Act%20%5bFinal%5d.pdf Blog post intro (by Senator Kirsten Gillibrand) : https://gillibrandny.medium.com/the-responsible-financial-innovation-act-218a764abd6c Commentary:
    CoinDesk recap: https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/06/07/key-us-senators-introduce-bill-outlining-sweeping-plan-for-future-crypto-rules/ Fortune on what the bill means for algo stablecoins: https://fortune.com/2022/06/08/algorithmic-stablecoins-terra-luna-crypto-regulation-senate-bill-lummis-gillibrand/ JW Verret's critique: https://twitter.com/JWVerret/status/1534165678831325191?s=20&t=nIWYdZKJzXsr-SVK7F_W9w

    • 38 min

Customer Reviews

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87 Ratings

Jason900 ,

Pushes the guests on the details 👍

Great show, the more we learn about this stuff the better decisions we (should) make. You provide a great service in this crypto field, which is not an easy thing to do, so keep going with the high quality content 👍

Birk004 ,

Good content, poor hosting

The host Laura is really hard to listen to. She stumbles around conversations with seemingly no knowledge on the topics being discussed. Her opinions and commentary within the show add no value and she’s downright rude to her guests sometimes. I suffer her to listen to the great guests that Unchained has. The only reason this podcast is bringing in big names is because it has been around for a while(formerly called Unconfirmed). It’s a pity, has the potential to be good, but not with the current host.

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Great unbiased content

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