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The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time. New episodes drop every Monday.

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    • 4.6 • 415 Ratings

The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of our time. New episodes drop every Monday.

    Everything's a cult now

    Everything's a cult now

    The internet has fractured our world into a million little subcultures catering to the specific identities and habits of everyone online. Writer Derek Thompson believes this has led to a widespread cult-like mentality that has crept into all facets of modern life — pop culture, media, politics, and religion itself. He joins Sean to explain this theory, and why it’s maybe not such a bad thing.

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Derek Thompson (@dkthomp). His podcast is Plain English, and he writes for The Atlantic.
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    • 53 min
    Fareed Zakaria on our revolutionary moment

    Fareed Zakaria on our revolutionary moment

    Is it possible that we are living through one of the most revolutionary periods in human history? CNN’s Fareed Zakaria believes that we are and argues that the convergence of AI and the global backlash against liberal democracy are upending political orders around the world. He joins Sean to talk about how this period relates to history’s most impactful revolutions, both political and technological. 
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    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Fareed Zakaria (@fareedzakaria). His new book is Age of Revolutions.
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    • 45 min
    Life is hard. Can philosophy help?

    Life is hard. Can philosophy help?

    Philosophy may seem like a theoretical or abstract discipline in which unanswerable questions are debated to the point of tedium. But MIT professor Kieran Setiya believes that philosophical inquiry has a very practical and applicable purpose outside of the classroom — to help guide us through life’s most challenging circumstances. He joins Sean to talk about self-help, FOMO, and midlife crises. 

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Kieran Setiya. His book is called Life is Hard.
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    • 51 min
    The American dream is a pyramid scheme

    The American dream is a pyramid scheme

    Jane Marie is an expert in American b******t. Her podcast The Dream explores life coaching, wellness, marketing, and other fraudulent industries and exposes their exploitative practices. Her book, Selling the Dream, takes an even closer look at multilevel marketing schemes like Amway and Herbalife and gives historical context to this multibillion-dollar — and distinctly American — enterprise. 

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Jane Marie. Her podcast is The Dream and her book is Selling the Dream.
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    • 46 min
    The chaplain who doesn't believe in God

    The chaplain who doesn't believe in God

    As a non-believer, Devin Moss never thought he would become a chaplain or a spiritual adviser, much less one who counsels hospital patients with terminal illnesses and inmates on death row. Devin joins Sean to talk about his improbable journey, the death penalty, and the role of religion in an increasingly secular society.

    Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
    Guest: Devin Moss. His podcast is The Adventures of Memento Mori. 
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    • 48 min
    Can a friend be our most significant other?

    Can a friend be our most significant other?

    Journalist Rhaina Cohen believes that modern culture undervalues friendships and discusses the ways in which deep friendships are distinct from but no less meaningful than romantic partnerships. 

    Guest host: Sigal Samuel (@sigalsamuel)
    Guest: Rhaina Cohen (@rhainacohen). Her book is The Other Significant Others. 
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    • 50 min

Customer Reviews

4.6 out of 5
415 Ratings

415 Ratings

MAIGRET JNR ,

Hands down my favourite podcast

Hi from Devon, England…

Genuinely, I treasure this pod and anticipate each ep with much glee! Its not just that I chime personally with Sean’s outlook and values, but that the generosity and magnanimous spirit he approaches each guest (esp one’s he has disagreement with) fills a much needed gap in today’s far-too-combative discourse. He doesn’t suffer “fools” but doesn’t dwell on this (looking at you Sam Harris) - rather the attention is fully focused on the understanding of difficult issues and exploration of possible explanations / solutions. It’s a joy, well done all involved.

My only quibble: would love a Twitter / FB group or similar for exploring the topics more with other listeners after each ep. Thoughts?

Ru D

cazda69 ,

Matt Desmond

Another great discussion, thanks Sean

cloudyabyss ,

Interesting style

The content of the interview really depends on the interviewee, the style of this show really lets them unspool their take on a given topic. Sure the host often has opinions too but the format works quite well as a dialogue, gets a little bit more out of them than a straight set of questions. Generally the guests have just published a book on exactly that, so this is a nice way to get a synopsis of their theory. Theme music is on point.

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