Marketing Against The Grain

Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot's SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

  1. 9 HR AGO

    Marketing Advice You’ll Thank Me for in 12 Months | Neil Patel

    Want our ultimate AI Marketing Playbook? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/bkm Ep, 366 Can ChatGPT or Perplexity convert customers at up to 13x the rate of a traditional Google search? Kipp and Neil Patel, of Co-Founder at Neil Patel Digital and co-host of Marketing School Podcast,  dive into the game-changing marketing tactics you’ll be grateful for a year from now, sharing brand-new research and practical strategies for the AI era. Learn more on why optimizing for AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) is reshaping conversion rates, how creating content for both humans and AI gives you an edge, and which old-school marketing methods are making a comeback to drive real revenue. Mentions Neil Patel https://www.linkedin.com/in/neilkpatel Marketing School Podcast https://marketingschool.io/ NP Digital https://neilpatel.com/ ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    21 min
  2. 5 DAYS AGO

    The #1 Job Needed in the AI Era Right Now

    Want our One-Person Agency Stack (with 10 prompts)? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/hvn Ep. 365 Will businesses need more humans than ever to actually make AI work? Kipp and Kieran dive into why the AI revolution is creating an explosion of opportunity for consultants and businesses who know how to integrate new technology. Learn more on why AI adoption is driving massive demand for human expertise, the skills you need to thrive as an AI consultant, and how the new era of PR gives founders—and real personalities—a fresh edge in business. Mentions Alex Lieberman https://www.linkedin.com/in/alex-lieberman 10x Labs https://10xlabs.com.au/ Kaz Nejatian https://ca.linkedin.com/in/kasranejatian Opendoor https://www.opendoor.com/ Ramp https://ramp.com/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    17 min
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    Everything you need to know about AEO in 2025

    Want the guide to implement AI Engine Optimization (AEO) to your content? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/ymv Ep. 364 Did you know Google’s new AI-powered Chrome could mark “the death of web pages” as we know them? Kipp and Kieran dive into how Google’s latest Gemini integration is completely transforming search, content consumption, and the future of SEO in 2025. Learn more on how AI is making clicks and traditional web browsing obsolete, why AEO (AI Engine Optimization) is the next big battleground for brands, and what marketers must do to adapt their strategies to a world of conversational and agentic search. Mentions Google Chrome https://www.google.com/chrome/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Gemini https://gemini.google.com/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    36 min
  4. 18 SEPT

    How This AI Startup Grew to $50M ARR in 2 Years (Marketing Playbook)

    Want to steal Gamma's influencer-led strategy? Get our 10 AI prompts: https://clickhubspot.com/hgb Ep. 363 Is influencer marketing the new product virality? Kipp and Kieran dive into the viral marketing playbook that skyrocketed an AI startup to $50M ARR and 50 million users with just 30 employees. Learn more on the explosive power of influencer-led growth, why building brand outranks traditional performance marketing, and the essential product feedback loops that every modern startup needs to stay ahead in the competitive AI era. Mentions Gamma https://gamma.app/ Dropbox https://www.dropbox.com/ Lovable https://lovable.dev/ Anton Osika https://www.linkedin.com/in/antonosika/ Grant Lee https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantslee/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    22 min
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    The Brand NEW AI Marketing Strategy for 2025

    Want our free Loop Marketing Prompt Library (with 100 prompts)? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/kcl Ep. 362 Did you know that 58.5% of Google searches now end without a click? Kipp and Aja Frost, Sr. Director of Global Growth at HubSpot, dive into how AI has fundamentally changed the marketing landscape—and what you can do about it. Learn more on why old-school tactics like linear funnels and basic personalization are outdated, how “loop marketing” can future-proof your strategy, and which AI-powered tactics drive explosive growth when traffic and attention are harder than ever to capture. This episode was recorded at HubSpot’s Inbound 2025.  Mentions HubSpot Inbound https://www.inbound.com/ Aja Frost https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajafrost/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ Breeze Assistant https://knowledge.hubspot.com/ai/use-breeze-assistant Gemini https://gemini.google.com/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    33 min
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    This is How the Top 1% Marketers are Using AI

    Want 22 ChatGPT Marketing Agents to handle your work? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/bpg Ep. 361 Marketing is only limited by your own creativity and ambition right now. Kipp and Nicholas Holland, Head of AI, SVP Product at HubSpot, dive into how the world’s top 1% of marketers are deploying AI for explosive growth. Learn more on why context is the most important word for AI in 2026, the rise of agents and assistants for every marketing use case, and how today’s marketers can 10x their creativity by practicing and pushing past the limits of what’s possible. Mentions Nicholas Holland https://www.linkedin.com/in/nashvilleholland/ HubSpot Breeze https://www.hubspot.com/products/ai ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Gemini https://gemini.google.com/ Nano Banana https://nanobanana.ai/ Google Veo https://deepmind.google/models/veo/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    26 min
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    I Stole Microsoft CEO’s 4 Most Powerful AI Prompts

    Want Kieran's 4 AI prompts that drive big results? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/uph Ep. 360 Did you know the CEO of Microsoft, just gave away his four most powerful daily AI prompts for boosting productivity and leadership? Kieran dives into how you can swipe, upgrade, and use the very same prompts Satya Nadella relies on every single day. Learn how to prep smarter for every meeting, get real-time project status updates, check if you’ll hit your deadlines, and analyze exactly how you’re spending your time.  Mentions Satya Nadella https://www.linkedin.com/in/satyanadella/ Microsoft https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ Microsoft Copilot https://copilot.microsoft.com/chats/HATNMvfutDfR73T3acuz1 Claude https://claude.ai/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    15 min
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    Marketing is Broken - This is the Future of Conversions (Loop Framework)

    Want our NEW Loop Marketing Prompt Library? Get it here: https://clickhubspot.com/lmp Ep. 359 Did you know that 60% of Google searches now end without a single click? Kipp and Aja Frost, Sr. Director of Global Growth at HubSpot, dive into why traditional marketing is broken and what the future of conversions looks like in a world dominated by AI. Learn more about how AI is upending search and website traffic, why the future belongs to marketers who can personalize experiences at scale, and the brand new Loop Framework that will transform how you drive results in 2024 and beyond. Mentions Aja Frost https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajafrost/ HubSpot Loop Marketing https://www.hubspot.com/loop-marketing ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/ Claude https://claude.ai/ Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/ Quora https://www.quora.com/ Reddit https://www.reddit.com/ Discord https://discord.com/ Get our guide to build your own Custom GPT: https://clickhubspot.com/customgpt We’re creating our next round of content and want to ensure it tackles the challenges you’re facing at work or in your business. To understand your biggest challenges we’ve put together a survey and we’d love to hear from you! https://bit.ly/matg-research Resource [Free] Steal our favorite AI Prompts featured on the show! Grab them here: https://clickhubspot.com/aip We’re on Social Media! Follow us for everyday marketing wisdom straight to your feed YouTube: ​​https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGtXqPiNV8YC0GMUzY-EUFg  Twitter: https://twitter.com/matgpod  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@matgpod  Join our community https://landing.connect.com/matg Thank you for tuning into Marketing Against The Grain! Don’t forget to hit subscribe and follow us on Apple Podcasts (so you never miss an episode)! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marketing-against-the-grain/id1616700934   If you love this show, please leave us a 5-Star Review https://link.chtbl.com/h9_sjBKH and share your favorite episodes with friends. We really appreciate your support. Host Links: Kipp Bodnar, https://twitter.com/kippbodnar   Kieran Flanagan, https://twitter.com/searchbrat  ‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.

    28 min

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Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot's SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.

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