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BETTER LEADERS BETTER SCHOOLS is the most downloaded podcast for K-12 school leaders — sitting in the TOP 0.5% of over 2 million podcasts worldwide. Launched in 2015, BLBS exists for one kind of leader: the Ruckus Maker — the principal who refuses to default to the status quo and is creating a campus experience worth showing up for. Every week, host Danny Bauer sits down with the sharpest minds in leadership, learning, and culture. No permission slips required. Turn your commute, your workout, or your chores into the best professional development of your career. Do School Different.

  1. 4d ago

    Why Principals Won't Delegate (And What It's Costing Them) with Naphtali Hoff

    Dr. Naphtali Hoff trains school leaders and teachers to perform at their best without running themselves into the ground. A former educator and school leader himself, Dr. Hoff now coaches and trains school leaders on management, productivity, and delegation across the country. He's the author of three books, and his newest, Becoming the Delegating School Boss, is the one most relevant here — it helps school leaders clear their plates and empower their teams. Dr. Naphtali Hoff joins the Ruckuscast to break down why so many principals resist letting go, and what it actually takes to build a team you can trust. Every principal has felt it: the sense that if they left the building for a day, something would fall apart. That's not a compliment — it's a delegation problem, and it's quietly running good leaders into the ground. This episode breaks down why school leaders won't let go, and the exact framework for handing off real work without losing control of it. 🤯 What You'll Learn Why most delegation "excuses" are unexamined fears, not facts, and how to name yours honestly. How to use the Eisenhower matrix to sort your task list into do, defer, delegate, and delete. Why chasing perfection instead of excellence is quietly costing you time and staff trust. How Ken Blanchard's ABCD trust model tells you who's actually ready to take something off your plate. The one low-risk, low-stakes task every principal should delegate first. 🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules 📚 Key Insight #1: Why School Leaders Treat Delegation Excuses Like Facts What's broken: Principals tell themselves "I don't have the time to train someone" and treat it as an immovable truth instead of an excuse. The shift: Naphtali Hoff reframes these as excuses, not myths — challenges to work through, not facts to accept. Impact: Leaders who name the excuse for what it is stop waiting for the "right" moment and start handing off real work now. 💡 Key Insight #2: The Eisenhower Matrix Every Principal Needs for Delegation What's broken: Without a system, urgent tasks crowd out important ones, and everything ends up back on the principal's desk. The shift: Sort every task into do, defer, delegate, or delete — and treat quadrant three as your standing delegation list. Impact: Principals free up hours each week for the visioning and instructional leadership work only they can do. 🧲 Key Insight #3: Why Perfection Is Costing Principals Trust, Not Building It What's broken: Leaders hold their team to a personal standard of perfection that almost no one else shares or notices. The shift: Aim for excellence, hand off the outcome, and let go of controlling every small detail along the way. Impact: Staff step up faster, and the principal gets back the hours they were burning on edits nobody asked for. 🧠 NAPHTALI HOFF QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST "Excellence really should be the goal, because perfection is the enemy of progress." — Naphtali Hoff "Delegating is not abdicating." — Naphtali Hoff "Their standard of good enough is probably a lot lower than your standard of excellence." — Naphtali Hoff "If I leave the building, there's going to be chaos unfolding. That means I have not done a very good job in delegating." — Naphtali Hoff "You have to realize what is it that I'm uniquely gifted at and capable of, and what can I empower other people to do?" — Naphtali Hoff 🧩 Your Do School Different Challenge Ready to implement? Start here: Tomorrow: Pick one recurring task — a newsletter, a weekly email, an observation schedule — and hand it off with a clear outcome instead of a script. This Month: Run a two-week activity log of everything you do, then sort each task into do, defer, delegate, or delete. This Semester: Move one staff member through Blanchard's four stages — directing, coaching, supporting, delegating — until a real piece of your job is permanently theirs. ⏳ Episode Timestamps 00:00 - The warning sign you're the campus bottleneck 03:02 - Naphtali's delegation disaster as a new headmaster 06:17 - The excuses school leaders use to avoid delegating 08:12 - Why excellence beats perfection in delegation 09:49 - Building trust with the ABCD model 13:50 - Using the Eisenhower matrix to audit your tasks 16:49 - Ruthlessly cutting energy-draining tasks each quarter 22:03 - What leaders should never delegate away 23:23 - Situational leadership and the four stages of delegating 25:00 - How to choose who to delegate to 27:30 - The first low-risk delegation win to try 33:30 - Keeping delegation sustainable when it gets hard 🫶 Connect With Naphtali Hoff 🌍 Websites: impactfulcoaching.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/naphtali.hoff Twitter: https://twitter.com/impactfulcoach LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naphtalihoff/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/naphtalihoff/ 📚 Books: Becoming the New Boss, Becoming the Productive Boss, 🎧 Listen & Subscribe Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show. 🧔🏻‍♂️ Your SelfMentorship Guide Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com 🤝 Today's Ruckuscast Partners Most kids "think about" their future. They take a quiz, grab a brochure, and name three careers they saw on TV. That's not a plan. Orchard helps every student build a real, personalized career action plan, with an AI buddy named Orchie guiding the way. Explore careers. Compare paths. Take the next step this week. 🔎 Show your students what's possible → https://betterleaders.orchard.careers/ For 30 years, ODP Business Solutions has helped schools swap tired classrooms for spaces students actually want to walk into. Smart boards, flexible furniture that turns any room into a collaboration zone, and tech integrations that bring lessons to life — all from one supplier, with easy access to cooperative contracts so procurement doesn't slow you down. Innovative school leaders use them to simplify ordering and streamline budgeting while staying compliant. 🔎 Visit ODPbusiness.com/education to redesign your learning spaces. Teachers who say "I taught it, they should have learned it" are missing the diagnostic data to actually close the gap. IXL automatically identifies each student's knowledge gaps and builds a personalized growth plan around them, so teachers walk into class knowing exactly what students know and don't. The platform adjusts difficulty in real time as students learn, making differentiation automatic instead of another task on your plate. 🔎 Get started at ixl.com/leaders Kids First Education was founded by career educators, not consultants, and it shows in how they work. They partner with PreK-12 districts to deliver instructional coaching, leadership development, and curriculum support built on collaboration, reflective planning, and shared problem-solving — not theory. Whether you lead one building or an entire district, their team meets yours where it is. 🔎 See how they can support your school at kidsfirstllc.com

  2. Aug 23

    Why Your Anti-Racist PD Isn't Actually Changing Anything with Dr Abby C. Emerson

    She studies why anti-racist professional development in schools so often fails to change how teachers actually treat students — and what works instead. Dr Abby C. Emerson is an assistant professor of Childhood Education at Hunter College, CUNY, where her research spans anti-racist and abolitionist teacher education, restorative justice, and the critique of whiteness in educational spaces. She's been named National Association for Multicultural Education's Critical Teacher of the Year, and this fall she releases her book, From Anti-Racism to Professional Learning for Liberating Schools, with Harvard Education Press. Most schools running anti-racist professional development hit the same wall: teachers learn the theory, reflect on their own bias, update a unit — and the discipline data doesn't move. Dr. Abby C. Emerson studied schools across New York City to find out why, and she found the fix isn't another workshop. It's handing the mic to students. 📚 What You'll Learn Why the three most common anti-racist PD strategies rarely change discipline outcomes How one high school's student-led equity committee exposed teacher bias that surveys never could Why "call-out culture" undermines anti-racist work faster than it builds it How to communicate proactively with parents before backlash starts Why breaking curriculum change into small, sequenced steps outperforms sweeping overhauls 🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules 🧠 Key Insight #1: Why Anti-Racist Professional Development Doesn't Change Discipline Data What's broken: Schools run PD on structural racism, individual reflection, and curriculum revision, then assume the culture has shifted. The shift: Track whether discipline outcomes actually move — not whether teachers can articulate the theory. Impact: Educators reported updating their curriculum while the same students kept getting pulled out of class for the same behavior, because the PD never reached school-wide policy. 🧠 Key Insight #2: The Student Voice Committee That Exposed Teacher Bias What's broken: Adult-only equity committees rely on surveys and self-report — data teachers can rationalize away. The shift: One high school trained students on its equity committee to collect, analyze, and present discipline data directly to staff, with no teacher in the room. Impact: Teachers only reversed their denial when white students said out loud that Black classmates were being punished for the exact same behavior they weren't. 🧠 Key Insight #3: Why Call-Out Culture Kills Anti-Racist Progress What's broken: PD that turns into "gotcha" policing — correcting language, catching mistakes in real time — makes people defensive and shuts the conversation down. The shift: Build the relationship first: one-on-one conversations, patience, and space for staff to say when they don't feel great about the PD. Impact: Principals who built trust before pushing change kept staff in the work, instead of losing them to resistance or resignation. 🗣️ DR. ABBY C. EMERSON QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST "Racism is not just about a couple bad apples, but that racism is a systemic structural piece that impacts all of us." — Dr. Abby C. Emerson "Education and teaching can be used as a tool to really challenge inequality in all its forms." — Dr. Abby C. Emerson "That relationship piece is more important than calling people out." — Dr. Abby C. Emerson "That sort of policing of each other was ultimately really detrimental." — Dr. Abby C. Emerson "I really tried to get ahead of the conversation so families knew it was coming home." — Dr. Abby C. Emerson 🧗‍♂️ Your Do School Different Challenge Ready to implement? Start here: Tomorrow: Schedule one 15-minute conversation with a teacher who's pushed back on equity work, and just listen before you respond. This Month: Pull last semester's discipline data broken out by race and share it with your leadership team before your next PD session. This Semester: Launch a student equity or student voice committee that collects and presents its own data directly to staff. ⌚️ Episode Timestamps 00:00 - Cold open: the data that shocked teachers 02:47 - Introducing Dr. C. Abby Emerson 04:04 - The PD disaster that sparked her research 06:24 - Why teacher time is too precious to waste 09:35 - Three patterns in anti-racist PD across NYC schools 12:11 - How teachers respond to learning structural racism 16:31 - Why call-out culture backfires in PD 18:08 - Facing political backlash after 2020 23:37 - The hardest work: individual self-reflection 26:25 - Curriculum revision, one unit at a time 29:47 - Two critiques: discipline gaps and individualized PD 37:55 - How a student voice committee changed a school 42:47 - Rapid-fire: marquee message and dream school principles 🤝 Connect With Dr. Abby C. Emerson 👩🏻‍💻 Website: https://www.abbyemerson.com/ 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/abby-emerson-edd-4a387a55 📕 Book: (From Antiracism to Abolition: Professional Learning for Liberating Schools - https://hep.gse.harvard.edu/9798895571170/from-antiracism-to-abolition/ )  🎧 Listen & Subscribe Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show. 🧔🏻‍♂️ Your SelfMentorship Guide Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com 🫶 Today's RuckusCast Partners Most kids "think about" their future. They take a quiz, grab a brochure, and name three careers they saw on TV. That's not a plan. Orchard helps every student build a real, personalized career action plan, with an AI buddy named Orchie guiding the way. Explore careers. Compare paths. Take the next step this week. 🔎 Show your students what's possible → https://betterleaders.orchard.careers/ ODP Business Solutions has been a trusted partner for schools for 30 years, handling everything from pencils to projectors so your team stops scrambling for supplies every August. They'll help you turn a tired computer lab into a STEAM innovation center, keep multiple campuses stocked and stocked sustainably, or upgrade from whiteboards to interactive displays — all through one supplier with access to cooperative contracts that simplify ordering and keep budgets compliant. 🔎 Visit ODPbusiness.com/education to learn more. IXL helps over 1 million teachers differentiate instruction in 20 minutes or less using real-time, data-informed insight — and gives Ruckus Makers a dashboard to track student progress and growth at every level, with reports you can customize to what matters most to your school. It's how data-informed decisions actually get made at scale, not just talked about. 🔎 Get started at ixl.com/leaders Kids First Education was founded by career educators and partners with Pre-K through 12 districts and schools to deliver instructional coaching, leadership development, and curriculum support built on collaboration and reflective planning. Whether you lead a single building or an entire district, they meet your team where they are with a relentless focus on what's best for kids. 🔎 Learn more at kidsfirst.llc

  3. Aug 19

    Why the "Conveyor Belt" Career Model Is Failing Kids with Corey Kossack

    Building AI tools that replace one-size-fits-all personality tests with real career plans is what got Corey Kossack into K12 education. He's the founder and CEO of Orchard, an AI-powered career counseling platform for schools, and Aspireship, an employee upskilling platform — work born from watching his own father cycle in and out of a job he hated for years. Kossack has spent his career helping people who want to help themselves climb toward ambitious goals, and Orchard is the result: an AI career counselor named Orchie, paired with real interviews from working professionals across hundreds of occupations. For Ruckus Makers wrestling with overworked counselors and an outdated career-readiness playbook, that's the credential that matters. Most schools still run career readiness on a conveyor belt: next grade, next test, college, then hope for the best. Corey Kossack argues that model was built for a workforce AI has already started dismantling — and he's built a system for what comes after it. This is the episode for any Ruckus Maker rethinking what career readiness actually means right now. 🧐 What You'll Learn Why the "conveyor belt" model of career prep breaks down the moment AI starts reshaping entire job categories The four stages of school transformation — conveyor belt, simulation, mentor, and venture mode — and what each looks like in practice Why personality tests give students false certainty instead of real career readiness How AI tools like Orchard's Orchie can support overworked counselors instead of replacing them What it actually takes to build career connections into daily instruction instead of treating it as an extra 🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules 📚 Key Insight #1: The Conveyor Belt Career Readiness Model Is Broken What's broken: Schools push students through a fixed path — next grade, next test, college, career — built for a stable workforce that no longer exists. The shift: Replace single-path thinking with a system built on exploration, mentorship, and venture (real-world doing) woven into the curriculum instead of bolted onto it. Impact: Students leave school with an actual plan and multiple explored pathways, instead of a deterministic label like "you're an engineer." 📚 Key Insight #2: Personality Tests Give False Certainty, Not Career Readiness What's broken: Traditional interest inventories are deterministic — one survey tells a student exactly what they'll be, and it's often wrong. The shift: AI-driven exploration lets students search by criteria — "an innovative tech career for creative people" — instead of getting boxed into a single job title. Impact: Students can compare pay, pathways, and requirements across a dozen careers at once instead of fixating on one narrow "good job." 🚀 Key Insight #3: AI Career Coaching Should Back Up Counselors, Not Replace Them What's broken: School counselors are overworked and can't possibly know the full breadth of occupations that exist today, especially as AI reshapes the job market in real time. The shift: Tools like Orchard's Orchie generate a personalized student action plan in under 20 seconds, freeing counselors to focus on relationship and guidance instead of research. Impact: Counselors gain a resource that scales their impact instead of one more task piled onto an already impossible list. ✍️ COREY KOSSACK QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST "If you're using the conveyor belt method at your school to prepare kids for the future, you are failing your students." — Corey Kossack "That conveyor belt method was built to produce a stable workforce. A workforce that's now gone." — Corey Kossack "Your students don't need to take a personality test telling them what they will one day be." — Corey Kossack "Don't fall into your future. Climb to it." — Corey Kossack "Why do we put it all on counselors? Why does it all have to be on counselors?" — Corey Kossack "How would you possibly expect a counselor to know all of these things?" — Corey Kossack "College is not the destination. It is a step in the journey." — Corey Kossack 🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge Ready to implement? Start here: Tomorrow: Pull up the episode's example of an overlooked career — like clinical operations for pharma trials — and share it with one counselor or teacher today. This Month: Sit down with your counseling team and map where your current career-advising process relies on a single deterministic test instead of open-ended exploration. This Semester: Build at least one explicit career connection into a core academic course, so students see how the subject maps to real occupations as part of the curriculum, not an add-on. ⌚️Episode Timestamps 00:00 - The conveyor belt method is failing students 03:26 - Corey's origin story: why his dad hated his job 06:15 - Why AI urgency is reshaping career readiness now 08:51 - A marketing team goes from five reports to zero 09:58 - Trades, GTM engineers, and chasing "the one thing" 12:27 - Why no one fully understands real career options 15:35 - The problem with deterministic personality tests 18:10 - Conveyor belt, simulation, mentor, and venture mode 28:54 - Inside Orchard: meeting Orchie, the AI career counselor 33:24 - Comparing pay and pathways across a dozen careers 35:58 - Building a personalized action plan in under 20 seconds 42:46 - Why this supports counselors instead of replacing them 44:29 - Corey's marquee message and dream campus principles 🎧 Connect With Corey Kossack Website: https://corey@orchard.careers/, aspireship.com Follow on social: linkedin.com/in/coreykossack 🎧 Listen & Subscribe Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show. 🧔🏻‍♂️ Your SelfMentorship Guide Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com 🤝 Today's RuckusCast Partners Most kids "think about" their future. They take a quiz, grab a brochure, and name three careers they saw on TV. That's not a plan.  Orchard helps every student build a real, personalized career action plan, with an AI buddy named Orchie guiding the way. Explore careers. Compare paths. Take the next step this week. 🔎 Show your students what's possible → https://betterleaders.orchard.careers/ ODP Business Solutions has spent 30 years helping school districts build learning environments students actually want to be in. They helped Belago Academy replace disengaged classrooms with collaborative spaces, tech integration, and flexible furniture that changed how kids learn — not just where they sit. You get it all from one supplier, which means simpler ordering, easier budgeting, and access to cooperative contracts that keep you compliant. 🔎 Visit ODPbusiness.com/education to see what they can build for your campus. IXL's universal screener identifies which students need intervention in 20 minutes or less — no guesswork, no wasted class time. Its adaptive learning platform, used by more than 1 million teachers, automatically adjusts to each student's exact level, so differentiation stops being a heavy lift. 🔎 Get started at IXL.com/leaders Kids First Education was founded by career educators who partner with Pre-K through 12 schools and districts to deliver instructional coaching, leadership development, and curriculum support built on real classroom experience. Their approach runs on collaboration, reflective planning, and shared problem-solving — all pointed at one outcome: better decisions for kids. Whether you lead one building or an entire district, they meet your team where it is. 🔎 Learn more at kidsfirst.llc

  4. Aug 12

    Experiential Education: Why Your Lesson Plan Is Failing Students

    Phil Brown trains educators to build the kind of learning moments a curriculum can't schedule. As an experiential and adventure education trainer at High 5 Adventure Learning Center, he's guided everyone from Iraqi high schoolers working through conflict resolution to NHL players from the Boston Bruins and Calgary Flames through experiences designed to stretch — not break — them. He also serves on the board of the Association for Experiential Education and hosts the podcast Vertical Playpen, where he digs deeper into the theory and practice behind this work. Most principals have sat through a lesson that went exactly as planned and taught nobody anything. Phil Brown has the opposite story: a day where nothing went as planned, and it became the most important teaching moment of his career. This episode is about what happened in between — and why experiential education, not another curriculum map, might be the fix your campus actually needs. 🫶 What You'll Learn Why following student curiosity can outperform even the best-designed lesson plan How the comfort zone, stretch zone, and panic zone model applies to staff and students alike Why "connection before content" isn't a soft skill — it's the fastest path to real learning What Kolb's experiential learning cycle looks like in a real classroom Why experiential education has a marketing problem, not a results problem 🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules ✅ Key Insight #1: Why Rigid Lesson Plans Kill Real Learning What's broken: Principals and teachers design lessons with locked agendas, tight timelines, and predetermined outcomes — then treat any deviation as a distraction. The shift: Follow the student's natural curiosity, even when it means abandoning the plan entirely. Impact: Phil scrapped an entire day's ropes-course curriculum to follow a student's question about a pine cone — and it became the most connective, most talked-about day of the entire program. 📚 Key Insight #2: Why Connection Before Content Changes Classroom Outcomes What's broken: Educators rush into curriculum before earning trust, assuming content delivery is the job and connection is a nice-to-have. The shift: Build genuine connection first. Content moves faster once trust exists. Impact: Groups who bond before instruction absorb content faster and take more risks, because they trust the adult guiding them enough to be honest when something's too much. 🚀 Key Insight #3: The Comfort Zone, Stretch Zone, and Panic Zone Every Leader Should Know What's broken: Educators assume "pushing kids out of their comfort zone" is automatically good — and push straight into panic without realizing it. The shift: Real growth happens in the stretch zone, not the panic zone. The goal is productive struggle, not overwhelm. Impact: Students who trust their leader will self-advocate the moment they're nearing panic — instead of shutting down or disengaging silently. 🗣️ PHIL BROWN QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST "Find the pine cone. That just really means to be open to students' natural curiosity and follow it." — Phil Brown "Connection before content." — Phil Brown "It's the same thing with that supervisor who says, my door is always open — you know full well that door is not open." — Phil Brown "When in doubt, give them your heart." — Phil Brown "The only thing that you learn when you panic is, hell no, I don't want to do it again." — Phil Brown "Your aim is not to be childish, but be childlike." — Phil Brown 🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge Ready to implement? Start here: Tomorrow: The next time a student or teacher asks an off-topic question, stop and follow it for five minutes instead of redirecting back to your agenda. This Month: Build one intentional "connection before content" activity into your next staff meeting, before any agenda item gets introduced. This Semester: Pick one entrenched schedule block — a 42-minute period, a PD day — and redesign it around Kolb's cycle: experience, reflect, apply, act, instead of a fixed lesson plan. ⌚️ Episode Timestamps 00:00 - Why rigid lesson plans block real learning 05:01 - Bringing Sunni and Shiite teens to Vermont 07:25 - Planning ropes courses the students didn't need 08:49 - The pine cone question that changed everything 12:20 - Using Ubuntu cards to build connection 14:20 - Why connection must come before content 15:23 - Kolb's experiential learning cycle explained 20:13 - The three components that make it adventure 26:37 - Comfort zone stretch zone and panic zone 29:34 - Why trust determines how far students stretch 35:59 - Why schools were built for the industrial age 38:11 - Selling experiential education to administrators 44:38 - Phil's message for every school marquee 47:47 - Find the pine cone the final takeaway 🔗 Connect With Phil Brown 👩🏻‍💻 Website: https://high5adventure.org/ , https://www.aee.org/ 👉 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/phil-brown-high5 🎧 Listen & Subscribe Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show. 🧔🏻‍♂️ Your SelfMentorship Guide Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com Today's RuckusCast Partners Still scrambling for supplies like it's 1999? ODP Business Solutions has been the trusted supply partner for schools for 30 years — from restocking eight campuses with sustainable, scalable solutions to redesigning a tired computer lab into a full STEAM innovation center. Everything comes from one supplier, which means simpler ordering, streamlined budgeting, and easy access to cooperative contracts. 🔎 Visit ODPbusiness.com/education to see what they can build for your district. IXL isn't just a teacher tool — it's a leadership dashboard. Ruckus Makers use IXL to put a finger on the pulse of student performance, drilling down to individual growth and customizing reports around what matters most to their goals. 🔎 Get started at ixl.com/leaders Kids First Education was founded by career educators who partner with Pre-K through 12 schools and districts to deliver instructional coaching, leadership development, and curriculum support built on collaboration and real classroom data — not theory. Whether you lead a single building or an entire system, they meet your team where it is. 🔎 Learn more at kidsfirst.llc META DESCRIPTION: Experiential education beats lesson plans. Learn how connection-before-content and stretch zones drive real student engagement.

  5. Aug 9

    The Learning Model That Turned a Dropout Into the Class Speaker with Jenny Curtin

    Jenny Curtin partners with schools and districts across New England on behalf of the Barr Foundation, where she helps build and scale Transformative Learning Experiences — rigorous, project-based units developed with partner Springpoint that pull students out of the classroom and into courtrooms, communities, and real business ventures. Her work runs on a philanthropic value most funders don't practice: taking the long view, and staying with schools through the slow, unglamorous work of actual change. A student named Buddha dropped out of high school after years of disconnected, irrelevant coursework — and became his graduation class speaker after enrolling somewhere that taught differently. Jenny Curtin of the Barr Foundation joins the show to explain the model behind that turnaround, and why most school transformation efforts stall before they ever reach a kid like him. 🫶 What You'll Learn Why "taking the long view" beats chasing the next quick fix in school reform How to design school changes around your most marginalized students first What a Transformative Learning Experience unit actually looks like in practice Why community with other school leaders is what sustains multi-year change efforts 🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules 🧠 Key Insight #1: Why School Transformation Requires Slowing Down First What's broken: Schools chase quick fixes and bolt-on programs instead of questioning their actual purpose and vision. The shift: Leaders take the long view — slowing down to investigate vision, gather empathy interviews, and study other school models before acting. Impact: Change becomes sustainable enough to survive leadership turnover instead of collapsing the moment its champion leaves. 🧠 Key Insight #2: Why Centering Marginalized Students Redesigns the Whole School What's broken: Most school redesign starts from the average student and treats the most marginalized students as an afterthought. The shift: Design at the margins first — build for the students least served by the current system, then let that design benefit everyone. Impact: A school that centred a disconnected, disengaged dropout re-enrolled him — and he graduated as class speaker. 🧠 Key Insight #3: Why Project-Based Learning Beats Traditional Coursework What's broken: Traditional coursework asks students to check a box for a diploma without connecting it to their real lives. The shift: Transformative Learning Experiences put students in real courtrooms for moot trials, real neighbourhoods for gentrification photography projects, and real business plans built with math skills. Impact: Students report a deeper sense of their own potential, and even early-adopter teachers say the model shifted what they believe is possible for kids. 🎧 JENNY CURTIN QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST "The silver bullets that are always coming on the scene for education are a trap." — Jenny Curtin "We're not interested in people just adding more decorations onto an existing cake." — Jenny Curtin "If we aren't ever designing at those margins of who isn't being served well, we're never going to get to those young people." — Jenny Curtin "There's like many different, beautiful high school models that can exist that do not have to look all the same." — Jenny Curtin "We're not interested in making marginal changes to make things marginally better for young people." — Jenny Curtin ✍️ Your Do School Different Challenge Ready to implement? Start here: Tomorrow: Pull up your school's current improvement plan and circle every initiative that's a bolt-on program rather than a rebuilt foundation. This Month: Shadow three students who are least served by your current model and document what they actually need. This Semester: Pilot one project-based, community-connected unit — like a moot court trial or a local-issue investigation — with a single grade or department. 🚀 Episode Timestamps 00:00 - Why there are no quick fixes in education 03:28 - Buddha's story: from dropout to class speaker 08:18 - Why the system wasn't built to serve every student 10:38 - Centering the most marginalized students first 12:10 - The cake analogy: stop decorating, start re-baking 14:35 - What taking the long view actually means 19:33 - Why school leaders need community, not isolation 26:09 - Inside Transformative Learning Experiences: Students in the Law 28:31 - Taking learning beyond the school walls 30:40 - How project-based learning shifts staff mindset 33:26 - How high-impact leaders sustain change over years 37:23 - Jenny's marquee message and three principles for a dream school 💌 Connect With Jenny Curtin Website: https://www.barrfoundation.org/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jennycurtin 🎧 Listen & Subscribe Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show. 🧔🏻‍♂️ Your SelfMentorship Guide Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com 🫶 Today's RuckusCast Partners ODP Business Solutions has been the behind-the-scenes partner for schools for three decades — not just competitive pricing, but negotiated cooperative contracts that stretch every dollar. They helped Baldwin School District overhaul its entire campus without blowing the budget, combining smart design with smarter purchasing. From essential supplies to cutting-edge tech to flexible furniture, it's one supplier instead of ten separate headaches. Visit ODPbusiness.com/education to see what they can do for your district. Frontline Education's 2026 K12 Lens Report makes one thing clear: retention, not just hiring, is what determines staffing stability. Districts running structured, automated professional growth software report easier hiring nearly half the time — compared to just 30% of districts without it. If you're building a campus where great educators actually want to stay, this report is your blueprint. Get it free at FrontlineEducation.com/leaders IXL kills the guesswork in lesson planning — teachers get ready-made, standards-aligned lessons built for exactly what their textbooks already cover. Add daily insight into student performance and teachers can adjust instruction before a gap becomes a pattern. Your teachers get the tool, your students get the growth. Start at IXL.com/leaders META DESCRIPTION: Barr Foundation's Jenny Curtin on why real high school transformation starts with slowing down, not adding another program.

  6. Aug 5

    Why Firing Yourself Might Be Your Best Leadership Move

    A principal and coach based in Prince George, British Columbia, Canada, this episode's guest flips the usual format and turns the mic on Danny Bauer instead of the other way around. He brings the same coaching lens to the conversation that he uses inside the Better Leaders Better Schools Mastermind, where he works alongside other school leaders on the exact challenges this episode covers. His questions push Danny past the usual talking points and into the mechanics of building a leadership vision that doesn't depend on him. Most principals think the answer to burnout is working harder. Danny Bauer argues the opposite — that in an AI-accelerated world, grinding is the least effective thing a school leader can do, and the real work is learning to fire yourself from the things you love most. 🧠 What You'll Learn Why treating leadership like a grind is now the least effective strategy in an AI-accelerated world How to test whether your storytelling actually lands — instead of assuming it does Why Danny deliberately fired himself from the mastermind he built The reason narrowing an AI tool's focus makes it more useful, not less How to think about your leadership across a 50-year or 200-year timeline 🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules ✅ Key Insight #1: Why Most Principals Are Bad at Storytelling and Don't Know It What's broken: Principals assume they're strong communicators because staff nod, laugh, and lean in — but that's compliance to the boss, not honest feedback. The shift: Test the story on people with zero reason to fake interest — strangers or students — and if they don't smile and lean in, the story isn't working yet. Impact: Deliberately practiced storytelling turns abstract goals like "student engagement" into a moment staff actually remember, repeat, and act on. 💚 Key Insight #2: Sustainable School Leadership Means Firing Yourself From What You Love What's broken: Most leaders equate their own importance with holding onto every program, room, and decision they built. The shift: Danny intentionally handed away the mastermind he built to other coaches to run it, testing whether what he'd built was real or was always just about him. Impact: The mastermind got better and more sustainable once more people owned it — proof that a vision built to outlast its founder is stronger than one that depends on him. ✅ Key Insight #3: The Best Leadership Tools Get Narrower, Not Broader What's broken: Most AI tools, and most PD, try to be everything to everyone — trading depth for a wider audience. The shift: Danny narrowed Digital Danny's training down to his core frameworks — entry plans, automatic school tools, coaching conversations — instead of everything he's ever written. Impact: A narrower, specialist tool outperforms general-purpose AI for a principal working a specific problem, the same way a specialist coach outperforms a generalist consultant. 🎧 DANNY BAUER & DAN WATT QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST "You might be the biggest bottleneck in your organization, not because you're incompetent, but because you're holding on to everything you're really good at." — Danny Bauer "What would happen if you disappeared tomorrow? Would your vision sustain, or would it collapse because it was always about you, not the system you built?" — Danny Bauer "Do you realize that most of what you're doing is all made up?" — Danny Bauer "If you don't like the game, change the rules, make up a new game." — Danny Bauer "The leader is the chief opportunity and bottleneck to every organization." — Danny Bauer "Tell it to strangers, and if they don't smile and lean in, you suck at storytelling." — Danny Bauer "Think of the context of a school leader that hopes their vision is a collective one and not solely theirs." — Dan Watt 🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge Ready to implement? Start here: Tomorrow: Tell your best "leadership story" to someone with zero context — a stranger, a student, anyone with no reason to fake interest — and watch whether they actually lean in. This Month: Pick one responsibility you're gripping tightly and hand it fully to someone else on your team, then watch what happens without you in the loop. This Semester: Map out what your school, program, or team would need to survive and thrive if you left tomorrow — then start building toward that, on purpose, before you're forced to. ⌚️ Episode Timestamps 00:00 - Why grinding harder is now a dead model 04:40 - The sleeping teacher story that changed everything 09:40 - Why most leaders are garbage storytellers 14:02 - Inside the rebuilt Digital Danny and automatic school tools 18:50 - Why narrowing the niche beats ChatGPT and Claude 21:14 - Trading the grind for play and creative rediscovery 24:24 - The false belief that grinding is the only choice 25:44 - Reframing leadership as a game with rules you can change 30:42 - The empty cup metaphor for overflowing leaders 32:00 - How improv unlocks fearlessness in leadership 34:48 - Firing himself from the mastermind he built 38:17 - Building toward a 50-year or 200-year legacy 🎧 Listen & Subscribe Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show. 🧔🏻‍♂️ Your SelfMentorship Guide Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com 🫶 Today's RuckusCast Partners ODP Business Solutions has been the behind-the-scenes partner for schools for three decades — not just competitive pricing, but negotiated cooperative contracts that stretch every dollar. They helped Baldwin School District overhaul its entire campus without blowing the budget, combining smart design with smarter purchasing. From essential supplies to cutting-edge tech to flexible furniture, it's one supplier instead of ten separate headaches. Visit ODPbusiness.com/education to see what they can do for your district. Frontline Education's 2026 K12 Lens Report makes one thing clear: retention, not just hiring, is what determines staffing stability. Districts running structured, automated professional growth software report easier hiring nearly half the time — compared to just 30% of districts without it. If you're building a campus where great educators actually want to stay, this report is your blueprint. Get it free at FrontlineEducation.com/leaders IXL kills the guesswork in lesson planning — teachers get ready-made, standards-aligned lessons built for exactly what their textbooks already cover. Add daily insight into student performance and teachers can adjust instruction before a gap becomes a pattern. Your teachers get the tool, your students get the growth. Start at IXL.com/leaders META DESCRIPTION: Danny Bauer on why grinding harder fails school leaders, and how firing yourself from what you love builds a vision that outlasts you.

  7. Jul 29

    Why Your Equity Work Isn't Closing the Gap with Zaretta Hammond

    Zaretta Hammond has spent her career pushing school leaders past feel-good equity language and into the instructional core, where the real gaps live. Her latest book, Rebuilding Students' Learning Power: Teaching for Instructional Equity and Cognitive Justice, names a pattern she calls cognition redlining — the quiet, well-intentioned way schools underdevelop the thinking capacity of historically marginalized students. She's the author behind Culturally Responsive Teaching and the Brain, a text already sitting on most instructional coaches' shelves. Districts have poured billions into equity work for three decades, and the outcomes for Black, brown, Indigenous, and linguistically diverse students haven't moved. Zaretta Hammond says that's not a funding problem or an effort problem — it's a cognition problem, and most principals have never been trained to see it. 🫶 What You'll Learn Why most equity initiatives never touch the instructional core The real difference between information processing and executive function — and why leaders confuse the two What cognition redlining looks like inside a compliance-driven classroom How to introduce a new instructional practice without teachers abandoning it in six weeks Why treating teachers as "personal trainers of cognition" changes everything about instructional leadership 🔨 Breaking Down the Old Rules 🎯 Key Insight #1: Cognition Redlining Is Blocking Your Equity Work What's broken: Schools chase equity through better relationships, high-quality materials, and effort — while the instructional core keeps underdeveloping students' actual thinking capacity. The shift: Treat teachers as the personal trainer of a student's cognition — coaching and assessing, not doing the thinking for them. Impact: Students move from being managed through lessons to actually building the learning power that raises achievement. 💥 Key Insight #2: Information Processing Is Not Executive Function What's broken: Leaders default to teaching study skills, binder organization, and time management, assuming that builds understanding — it doesn't. The shift: Explicitly teach students how to turn new, random information into meaning-laden, usable knowledge — a distinct skill from staying organized. Impact: Students stop being "dutiful" task-completers and start being able to close their own knowledge gaps without a teacher hovering every ten minutes. 🚀 Key Insight #3: Scaling Change Requires the First Pancake What's broken: Leaders launch new practices school-wide, all at once, out of urgency — then abandon them within weeks when they don't take. The shift: Start with a small band of willing teachers, let the first attempt be imperfect, make adjustments, and expand concentrically over time. Impact: Practices actually take hold instead of becoming one more initiative teachers quietly wait out. 🗣️ ZARETTA HAMMOND QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST "Getting students through the lesson doesn't build their learning power. That's the trap." — Zaretta Hammond "The personal trainer doesn't do the push-ups for you. They assess you, design a program, and coach you through the obstacles." — Zaretta Hammond "Be closer to hearing students talk about their understanding. Not their look-busyness." — Zaretta Hammond "Information processing is not the same as executive function. An organized binder won't get you conceptual understanding." — Zaretta Hammond "Change takes a dip before it levels off. That first pancake is bad, but you don't shut the kitchen down." — Zaretta Hammond "You let go of one bar and hang in the air before you grab the other. If leaders can't hold that space, people go back to what wasn't working." — Zaretta Hammond "Instructional leadership is not instructional management. A pacing guide is management — a personal trainer gives you skills for outside the hour." — Zaretta Hammond "You have to set up a culture of errors before you ask students to struggle. Mistakes are data." — Zaretta Hammond 🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge Ready to implement? Start here: Tomorrow: Ask three students in one lesson to explain their thinking out loud instead of just showing you the answer. This Month: Audit one schoolwide practice — like turn-and-talks or sentence starters — and ask whether it builds understanding or just looks busy. This Semester: Pilot one new cognition-building practice with a small group of willing teachers before rolling it out to the whole building. ⏰ Episode Timestamps 00:00 - Why equity efforts keep missing the mark 05:05 - Naming cognition redlining in schools 07:25 - How equity work quietly lowers the bar 09:38 - What learning power actually means 13:46 - Measuring learning power instead of test scores 16:28 - Why compliance is baked into school DNA 20:17 - What true cognitive independence requires 26:26 - The seductive shortcuts that derail real change 30:00 - The first pancake theory of scaling change 31:58 - The Costco lesson on how change spreads 34:31 - The liminal space leaders must hold 40:38 - The brain science behind real progress 42:08 - Instructional leadership vs instructional management 44:52 - Zaretta's message for every school marquee 🔗 Connect With Zaretta Hammond Website: https://ready4rigor.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zaretta-hammond-2b122ba/ 🎙️ Listen & Subscribe Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show. 🧔🏻‍♂️ Your SelfMentorship Guide Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com 🫶 Today's RuckusCast Partners ODP Business Solutions has spent 30 years helping schools move from whiteboards to smart boards. They don't just deliver supplies — they design dynamic, flexible learning spaces from a single supplier, so ordering and budgeting stay simple while you stay compliant with cooperative contracts. 🔎 Visit ODPbusiness.com/education to see what's possible for your campus. Staffing stability isn't about filling seats — it's about keeping great people from burning out. Frontline Education's 2026 K12 Lens report found that districts using structured, automated professional growth tools report meaningfully easier hiring than those that don't. 🔎 Download the full report at frontlineeducation.com/leaders Over 1 million teachers already rely on IXL to stop guessing what their students know. Its diagnostic automatically flags each student's knowledge gaps and builds a personalized growth plan, adjusting difficulty in real time as they learn. 🔎 Get started today at IXL.com/leaders META DESCRIPTION: Zaretta Hammond on cognition redlining, closing the learning power gap, and what real instructional equity looks like for principals.

  8. Jul 22

    The Real Reason Principals Burn Out (And How to Fix It): Adorable Red Hats with Dan Watt

    Running an elementary school in rural British Columbia hasn't stopped this Ruckus Maker from building an indoor worm farm, growing hydroponic lettuce, and taking a self-funded year off to reset — proof that a principal's personality is not a distraction from the job. Dan Watt is a Mastermind Coach inside the Ruckus Maker community and a recurring co-host of the Ruckuscast, known for turning "pay yourself first" into a leadership philosophy that's kept him energized four years into the role. Joining him is Mitch Weathers, CEO and author of Executive Functions for Every Classroom, whose work on entry plans and executive functioning has become required reading for school leaders trying to build systems that actually stick. Find them both at betterleadersbetterschools.com. Principal burnout doesn't start with too many emails — it starts the moment you decide the job requires you to leave your actual personality at the door. This episode is an Adorable Red Hats reunion where two veteran school leaders make the case that worm farms, hydroponics, and paying yourself first aren't distractions from leadership — they're the thing that makes it sustainable. 📚 What You'll Learn How bringing real hobbies into your building turns staff and students into willing "conspirators" instead of compliant bystanders. Why "pay yourself first" works as both a financial strategy and a burnout-prevention system for principals. What a self-funded sabbatical actually looks like, and how to plan one even without full district support. How the Harada Method turns a single big goal into a flexible daily practice instead of another thing to fail at. Why trying to please every stakeholder is the fastest way to lose the ones who matter most. ✍️ Breaking Down the Old Rules ☝ Key Insight #1: Why Bringing Your Personality to School Prevents Principal Burnout What's broken: Principals believe professionalism means suppressing personal interests to look serious and in control. The shift: Ruckus Makers build hobbies like worm farms and hydroponics directly into the school day and invite students, staff, and families in. Impact: A classroom of second graders now runs a full worm-composting system, a school secretary bought her own home worm bin after watching it happen, and a principal four years into the role reports feeling joyful instead of burned out. ☝️Key Insight #2: The "Pay Yourself First" Framework for Principal Wellness What's broken: School leaders wait for the district to hand them time off or wellness support, and it rarely comes on its own. The shift: Treat rest like a budget line — reduce your income by a set percentage for a few years to fund a planned sabbatical, the same way businesses run "Profit First." Impact: One principal banked a full year of paid leave after three years of reduced income, came back four years later still sustainable in the role, and never had to choose between burning out and quitting. ☝️Key Insight #3: Why the Harada Method Beats a Rigid Self-Care Routine What's broken: Traditional self-care plans demand daily perfection — miss one gym day and the whole system feels like it failed. The shift: The Harada Method sets one long-term "super goal" surrounded by a flexible menu of daily habit options instead of a mandatory checklist. Impact: Leaders report steady forward progress on wellness goals without the guilt spiral that kills most New Year's-style resolutions by February. 🫶 DANNY BAUER, DAN WATT & MITCH WEATHERS QUOTES FROM THE RUCKUSCAST "Most school leaders think professionalism means leaving their personality at the door." — Danny Bauer "The best schools aren't run by heroes. They're run by leaders who know how to enroll conspirators." — Danny Bauer "It becomes the work. It makes the work sustainable because folks are having fun showing up." — Dan Watt "It's a human system and it's prioritizing human well being." — Dan Watt "When I write those newsletters on Sunday, I try to write them with a smile on my face." — Dan Watt "Are we prepared to lessen the amount of content we teach in order to provide more meaningful learning experiences that have a greater chance of leading to deeper learning, increased storage and long term memory, and the acquisition of new skills?" — Mitch Weathers "If school leaders put into action the entry plan carefully outlined in this book, the stress they are used to carrying into the school year will vanish." — Mitch Weathers 🚵‍♀️ Your Do School Different Challenge Ready to implement? Start here: Tomorrow: Pick one personal hobby you've been keeping separate from work and find five minutes today to bring a piece of it into your building. This Month: Draft a "pay yourself first" plan — even a small one — mapping how many months of reduced spending would fund a real break from the job. This Semester: Build your own Harada-style template: one super goal, a ring of supporting pillars, and a flexible daily habit menu you check instead of chase perfection on. ⌚️ Episode Timestamps 00:00 - Why professionalism doesn't mean losing your personality 04:24 - The Adorable Red Hats reunion kicks off 05:36 - Dan Watt's self-funded year-long leave story 09:29 - Bringing hobbies back into the building 12:41 - Inside the classroom worm farm and compost system 17:33 - Enrolling conspirators instead of managing compliance 19:47 - Pay yourself first, financially and figuratively 24:55 - Figuring out what actually fills your cup 26:09 - The Harada Method and the Resilient Leader program 33:29 - Why trying to please everyone backfires 39:54 - Dan Watt on rediscovering his mojo 42:27 - Mitch Weathers on his new book and tour 48:02 - Closing takeaways on joyful leadership 🔗 Connect With Dan Watt & Mitch Weathers 👩🏻‍💻 Mitch Weathers Website: organizedbinder.com LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/mitchweathers 👩🏻‍💻 Dan Watt: Website: https://www.danwattcoaching.ca/ LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/danwatt57 🎙️ Listen & Subscribe Listen to Better Leaders Better Schools on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube or wherever you get your podcasts. If today's episode moved you, leave a review — it helps more Ruckus Makers find the show. 🧔🏻‍♂️ Your SelfMentorship Guide Meet Digital Danny — your SelfMentorship guide. Always available, never forgets, and evolves with you. Think through your next leadership move at myprincipalcoach.com 🫶 Today's RuckusCast Partners ODP Business Solutions has been the trusted supply partner for schools for 30 years — and they've moved way past pencils and paper. Want to turn a tired computer lab into a STEAM innovation center, or upgrade every classroom from whiteboards to interactive displays? Their team designs it, and you order it all from a single supplier with access to cooperative contracts that simplify budgeting and keep you compliant. ⚡️ Learn more at ODPbusiness.com/education Frontline Education's 2026 K12 Lens report tracked how professional learning design connects to staffing stability across districts — and the findings are a wake-up call for anyone planning next year's PD calendar. Districts with structured, individually targeted professional growth report easier hiring; nearly half of districts using software to manage that growth say hiring has gotten easier, compared to just 30% of districts that don't. ⚡️ Download the full report at frontlineeducation.com/leaders IXL is the adaptive platform teachers already trust to make differentiated instruction simple — and for Ruckus Makers, it does even more. Its dashboard gives school leaders a real-time pulse on student performance, drillable down to the individual student, with reports you can customize to whatever matters most to your building. ⚡️ Get started today at ixl.com/leaders META DESCRIPTION: Why principal burnout starts with hiding your personality at work — and how pay yourself first and the Harada Method fix it.

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BETTER LEADERS BETTER SCHOOLS is the most downloaded podcast for K-12 school leaders — sitting in the TOP 0.5% of over 2 million podcasts worldwide. Launched in 2015, BLBS exists for one kind of leader: the Ruckus Maker — the principal who refuses to default to the status quo and is creating a campus experience worth showing up for. Every week, host Danny Bauer sits down with the sharpest minds in leadership, learning, and culture. No permission slips required. Turn your commute, your workout, or your chores into the best professional development of your career. Do School Different.

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