What if everything you’ve been told about aging is a lie? What if your 50s and 60s aren’t about fading into irrelevance, but about finally becoming who you were always meant to be? In this transformative episode, bestselling author and spiritual teacher Marianne Williamson dismantles the cultural narrative that treats midlife as a slow decline. Instead, she reveals it as the most powerful awakening of your life—a time when the wisdom you’ve accumulated can no longer stay silent, when you stop caring what others think, and when you finally have the courage to say what needs to be said. This is a conversation for anyone who’s been conditioned to fear aging, who’s carrying shadow figures from their past into their present, or who’s ready to claim the grandeur that only comes with lived experience. The Accidental Calling Marianne Williamson didn’t set out to become one of the most influential spiritual teachers of our time. In her 20s, she discovered A Course in Miracles and was captivated by its psychological mind training on forgiveness—dismantling a thought system based on fear and accepting one based on love instead. “At first it was just what it was doing for me,” she explains. “The career niche that I inhabit today didn’t even exist at that point.” She started with a small study group in a bookstore. Then she moved to Los Angeles, and the AIDS crisis burst onto the scene. Gay men flocked to her lectures because “in the middle of this horror, there was this then young woman talking about a God who loves you no matter what and about miracles.” One thing led to another. She published a book. Oprah Winfrey loved it. A Return to Love became a mega-bestseller, and a quote from it—”Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure”—became an anthem for seekers worldwide. But Marianne’s journey wasn’t always smooth. She ventured into politics, running for the Democratic nomination for President in both 2020 and 2024, and encountered a level of public scrutiny and mean-spiritedness she’d never faced in the spiritual world. “We all made mistakes in our 20s, but they weren’t written into the ethers of the internet to be with us forever,” she reflects, lamenting how young people today are denied the freedom to grow without permanent records of their missteps. The Shadow Figures We Carry One of the most powerful teachings Marianne shares is about forgiveness—not as a platitude, but as a practice of liberation. “A Course in Miracles says that if you bring the shadow figures of your past into the present, then you are programming the future to be just like the past,” she explains. Many of us replay painful memories, trying to forgive by reliving them. But this approach backfires. “Every time I brought it in and thought about it, it was almost like visceral, like it was reenacting what took place,” Catherine shares. Marianne’s response? Accept that it happened. Know that the love was real, the love you gave and received was eternal, and “the rest was literally a kind of shared illusion or nightmare, a kind of hallucination of consciousness, and you don’t have to carry it with you.” The ego, however, wants to keep bludgeoning you with it. What they did, what you did, what you didn’t do. But healing doesn’t come from endlessly analyzing where the wounds came from. “Knowing where you got this has done me no good,” Marianne admits. “Knowing you are this way, Marianne, and be willing not to be, and ask God’s help. That’s the miracle.” The Moment-by-Moment Practice Spiritual practice isn’t theoretical. It’s what you do when you wake up at 3 a.m. with your thoughts spiralling. It’s choosing whether to grab your phone and scroll through chaos or to ground yourself in meditation and prayer. “If you wake up in the morning and you go directly to the news, you go directly to social media, it’s like you’re saying to the chaos, come on, eat me alive, I’m open and available for that,” Marianne warns. But if you ground yourself in spiritual practice first, “it makes all the difference because it’s kind of like the yoga of consciousness. You get yourself in the correct position of alignment with the ever-unfolding thoughts of love.” The Course in Miracles teaches that there is no such thing as a neutral thought. Every thought either takes you toward greater oneness and peace or into anxiety, depression, and separation. “Every single moment is a moment of choice,” Marianne emphasises. “We either make that choice consciously or we make it unconsciously to either open the heart or to constrict.” When you constrict, you deflect the miracle. But here’s the beautiful part: “It’ll come back around again. It’ll be held in trust for you until you’re ready to receive it.” The Awakening to Power Midlife grief is real. You have to move through the loss of what you no longer have to receive what is only yours now. “I have found myself saying to younger women, you have things I don’t have anymore, but I have some things you don’t have yet,” Marianne shares. “And that’s what we’re awakening to.” At 50, she stopped caring what other people thought. But at 60? “I felt this level of power that is almost like not only do you not care what other people say, you have to. It’s like when a woman is breastfeeding, the milk has to express itself. The wisdom you have in you can’t not say it.” This isn’t about arrogance. It’s about recognising that we live in a culture where the undertow constantly whispers: you’re over the hill, you’re invisible, you’re all used up. “So we have to counter that undertow,” Marianne insists, “because it’s a new dawn for us. And the new dawn for us, we know can be of help in bringing a new dawn to the world.” When Catherine mentions people asking about retirement, Marianne’s response is instant: “I’m just getting started, honey.” The Evolutionary Moment Marianne sees humanity at a critical crossroads. “We’re living at this moment of parallel phenomenon, one world crumbling, another world struggling to be born. And we are called on to be death doulas and birth doulas.” This is not a time for the wounded bird, the ditzy female, or woundology. “It’s a time to really call ourselves and each other into the highest place.” The human race has reached a point where our collective behavioural patterns are no longer sustainable. We either take an evolutionary leap forward or face extinction. That leap begins with individual transformation. “Wake up every morning and ask, where would you have me go? What would you have me do? What would you have me say and to whom?” Marianne teaches. “Love, use me. Use my hands, use my feet.” You might be assigned to talk about personal transformation through a podcast. You might work on the environment, peace, food systems, or healing. But whatever your assignment, “everything else is ultimately meaningless.” Three Golden Nuggets for Your Journey Golden Nugget #1: Ask Who You’re Not Forgiving Identify who you haven’t forgiven and be willing to realise that the love they gave you was real, the love you gave them was real, and everything else was just a shared illusion. Put it in the hands of God and refuse to bring those shadow figures into your present. Golden Nugget #2: Be a Spiritual Athlete This is not a moment to indulge in moderate drinking, moderate drug use, or junk food. This is a moment to truly be in shape—physically, mentally, and spiritually. Your spiritual discipline and practice matter now more than ever. Golden Nugget #3: Reach Out to Someone Who Needs Help Think of someone in your life who could use support. Reach out. That simple act of extending love creates the field in which miracles occur naturally. About Marianne Williamson For more than four decades, Marianne Williamson has been a leader of spiritually progressive circles. She is the author of 16 books, four of which have been #1 New York Times bestsellers. A quote from the mega-bestseller A Return to Love, “Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure…” is considered an anthem for a contemporary generation of seekers. Her other bestsellers include A Woman’s Worth, The Law of Divine Compensation, Tears to Triumph, The Gift of Change, Everyday Grace, and The Mystic Jesus: The Mind of Love. With her books and online classes, she has taught millions of people universal spiritual themes at the heart of all the great religions of the world. Williamson founded Project Angel Food, a non-profit organisation that has delivered more than 19 million meals to ill and dying homebound patients in the Los Angeles area since 1989. She has also worked throughout her career on poverty, anti-hunger, and racial reconciliation issues. In 2004, she co-founded The Peace Alliance and supported the creation of a U.S. Department of Peace. She ran for the Democratic nomination for President in both 2020 and 2024. Key Takeaway Midlife is not an ending. It’s the moment you finally have enough experience, enough failures, enough humility, and enough fire to become who you were always meant to be. The grief you move through unlocks access to a power you’ve never known. The wisdom inside you can no longer stay silent. And when you stop abandoning yourself to avoid being abandoned by others, you discover that real peace comes from alignment with love, moment by moment, choice by choice. You’re not over the hill. You’re just getting started. Watch the Full Conversation on YouTube SEE MARIANNE LIVE IN AUSTRALIA: Brisbane – February 22, 2025 Get Tickets Melbourne – February 25, 2025 Get Tickets Sydney – February 26, 2025 Get Tickets Find Out More About Marianne Williamson Website: Marianne.com S