Rental Property Owner & Real Estate Investor Podcast

Rental Property Owners Association with Brian Hamrick

Welcome to the Rental Property Owner and Real Estate Investor Podcast, Brought to you by the Rental Property Owner Association - providing benefits and services to real estate investors and rental property owners for over 45 years. Hosted by Brian Hamrick from Hamrick Investment Group. Every Monday Brian and his special guest will discuss topics, tips, and techniques Designed to make you a more confident and successful Rental Property Owner and Real Estate Investor

  1. 4d ago

    Land-Home Development: Affordable Housing That Cash Flows with Robert Howell

    Land-home development is one of the most overlooked strategies in affordable housing, and most real estate investors have never seriously considered it. The model is straightforward: buy a parcel of land, order a brand new manufactured home from a factory, place it permanently on the property, and sell the land and home together to a first-time buyer. In this episode, Robert Howell breaks down how he built a business around this strategy, why manufactured housing delivers exceptional value at a price point stick-built homes cannot match, and how he uses mobile home parks as a long-term tax offset for the short-term capital gains his land-home packages generate. About Robert Howell Robert Howell is a real estate investor and developer based in the upstate of South Carolina. He owns 250 lots across approximately 25 small and mid-sized mobile home parks and completes land-home development packages at scale, closing 50 deals last year with a target of 75 to 100 this year. He came to real estate from event marketing, bought his first mobile home park in 2020 with no prior experience, and has since built a vertically integrated operation combining long-term park ownership with active land-home development. What We Cover in This Episode What land-home development is and how it differs from mobile home park investing Why manufactured housing is cheaper to build than stick-built homes at a comparable quality How Robert builds a complete 3-bedroom, 2-bath home on owned land for $125,000 to $140,000 The full land-home development timeline from acquisition to sold: targeting 4 to 6 months How to find motivated land sellers through direct mail, cold calling, texting, and wholesalers The 30 to 45 day due diligence process: soil, water, power, driveway, and deed restrictions Why deed restrictions and HOA covenants are the biggest hidden risk in land-home development The de-titling process: how to convert a manufactured home from DMV title to real property How Robert uses cost segregation and bonus depreciation in mobile home parks to offset short-term capital gains from land-home flips Why small and mid-sized mobile home parks in South Carolina have low competition from institutional buyers How 95% of land-home buyers use FHA loans and what that means for deal timelines Why Robert targets scattered lots rather than full subdivisions for risk diversification How Robert structured his team to handle 50 land-home packages a year with a project manager and virtual assistants The below-market rent opportunity in small mobile home parks and how to approach rent increases responsibly Key Insight Robert bought a mobile home park in 2020 with no prior experience in the asset class. He evaluated it the way he still evaluates every deal today: revenue minus expenses minus debt service. If the number is positive, he moves. That first park sold a year later at a profit large enough to fund his next round of acquisitions. He now owns 25 parks and closes land-home packages two at a time — and he got two houses under contract at a baseball game on a Saturday night. Why This Episode Matters Manufactured housing sits at the intersection of two forces most investors ignore: a shortage of affordable housing and a regulatory environment that makes new mobile home parks nearly impossible to build. Robert's model exploits both. Investors willing to learn the asset class, understand the due diligence requirements, and get their dealer's license are entering a market with motivated sellers, limited institutional competition, and a deep pool of FHA-qualified first-time buyers. This episode gives you the full framework. Find Out More Website: howellandsons.com Sponsors Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. https://www.livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and Medicare benefits. https://www.rcbassociatesllc.com

    27 min
  2. Jun 29

    The $500K Mistake That Built a $200M Portfolio with Dearonne Bethea

    Most real estate investors talk about what worked. Dearonne Bethea is willing to talk about what didn't. In this episode, the CEO of Band of Brothers Investment Group walks through a $500,000 business loss on his first Anytime Fitness franchise, the three mistakes that caused it, and the decisions he made after that eventually led to $200 million in assets under management. Along the way he breaks down the investing philosophy behind his growth: use businesses to generate cash flow, use that cash flow to acquire real estate, and use real estate to eliminate your tax burden. It is a framework built on discipline, hard experience, and a clear-eyed view of what actually creates wealth. About Dearonne Bethea Dearonne Bethea is the CEO of Band of Brothers Investment Group and a retired U.S. Army Chief Warrant Officer Four with 20 years of active duty service, including two deployments to Iraq and one to Afghanistan. He built his first businesses while still on active duty, scaled a franchise portfolio across multiple states, and now controls more than $200 million in assets across multifamily, rental housing, operating businesses, and private investments. He is also the founder of Treazure Studios, a salon suite franchise model he launched after trademarking the brand. What We Cover in This Episode Growing up in Enfield, North Carolina, one of the poorest towns in the state, and how limited resources shaped Dearonne's approach to money Joining the Army at 20 as a turning point, and meeting the mentor who introduced him to investing Buying his first tax lien property at age 20 with a car as collateral after being denied a $13,000 loan Building Anytime Fitness franchises while deployed, working 18 to 20 hour days and managing operations remotely The three mistakes that caused a $500,000 loss on his first franchise: poor visibility, wrong demographics, and a bad partnership How he negotiated his way to break even, doubled down with a second location, and eventually sold two locations for $2.6 million The seven business pillars behind his $200M portfolio: franchises, multifamily, property management, brokerage, and his new venture Why he believes businesses create cash flow and real estate creates wealth, and why you need both How he uses real estate professional status and cost segregation to offset income from his businesses The salon suite franchise model behind Treasure Studios and why he designed it around 5,000 to 6,000 square foot locations Why he is stepping away from Anytime Fitness and building a franchise model with fewer employees and more entrepreneurs How he is integrating AI across his organization, including two dedicated AI integrators and an enterprise dashboard build Key Insight Dearonne opened his first Anytime Fitness in Richardson, Texas, lost roughly $500,000, and was burning $8,000 to $10,000 a month. Instead of folding, he wrote down every mistake, negotiated his rent down to break even, and used the remaining capital he had to open a second location at Fort Bragg with military partners who put in $20,000 each. That location was profitable within six months, a cash cow within twelve, and both locations sold for $2.6 million. He calls the $500,000 loss one of the best things that ever happened to him. Why This Episode Matters Dearonne's framework is one of the more practical models for investors who want to accelerate beyond passive real estate income: generate serious cash flow through a business, deploy that cash flow into real estate, and use the real estate to offset your tax liability. If you are a rental property owner thinking about how to scale faster or structure your portfolio more efficiently, this conversation gives you a concrete model to study. Find Out More Website Facebook Instagram YouTube LinkedIn Sponsors Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. https://www.livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and Medicare benefits. https://www.rcbassociatesllc.com

    30 min
  3. Jun 22

    The 5 Reasons Real Estate Investors Fail to Scale Without Burning Out with Trevor McGregor

    How to Scale Your Real Estate Portfolio Without Burning Out: The 5-Step Framework Real Investors Need Most real estate investors who plateau aren't stuck because of bad deals or bad markets. They're stuck because the habits and decisions that built their business are now the ceiling keeping them from the next level. In this episode, high-performance coach and real estate investor Trevor McGregor breaks down the five key reasons investors fail to scale, what the dark side of reaching your next level actually looks like, and how to build a portfolio that compounds without consuming your life. About Trevor McGregor Trevor McGregor is a real estate investor with more than two decades in the business and a high-performance coach with over 45,000 one-on-one coaching sessions behind him. Known as Coach T, he is a former Tony Robbins coach who has worked with entrepreneurs, executives, investors, and Olympic athletes. His clients span 37 US states and include notable real estate investors such as Joe Fairless. He offers a free 30-minute discovery call and a free mini audio series for investors at trevormcgregor.com/realestate. What We Cover in This Episode Trevor's origin story: losing everything in his early 30s and rebuilding through real estate one property at a time How he went from broke with six figures in debt to a cash-flowing portfolio in two and a half years The difference between being interested in real estate and being committed to it — and why that gap determines everything The 5 key reasons real estate investors fail to scale or burn out trying: Limiting beliefs that cap what investors think is possible No strategic plan — short term, long term, and vision Lack of systems to support growth at scale Poor time management and confusing urgent with important Failure to execute with intelligent and inspired action The Pomodoro method: how Trevor uses 45-90 minute deep work blocks to protect growth-oriented time The "who" vs. "super who" framework for building the right team around your portfolio Zone of genius: how to identify what you should be doing vs. farming out The story of Joe Fairless: from 4 single-family homes in Texas to $2.7 billion in assets under management The dark side of the next level — why getting what you thought you wanted doesn't always feel the way you expected How to define what you're actually optimizing for: financial freedom, time freedom, location freedom Why your "why" has to go deeper than money to sustain real commitment Why This Episode Matters If you're already investing and feel like something is holding you back from the next level, this episode gives you a specific diagnostic. Trevor's five-step inventory — limiting beliefs, strategic plan, systems, time management, execution — is a tool you can apply to your own portfolio right now. He also makes a point that often gets skipped: defining what "enough" actually looks like for you, before you spend years chasing a number that doesn't match your real goals. Find Out More Website: trevormcgregor.com Free Mini Audio Series (8 coaching sessions for real estate investors): trevormcgregor.com/realestate Email: tmcgregor@freedomcodecoaching.com Sponsors Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. https://www.livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and Medicare benefits. https://www.rcbassociatesllc.com

    35 min
  4. Jun 15

    Why Home Staging Increases Sale Price and Cuts Days on Market with Alisa Sparks

    Home Staging for Real Estate Investors: How Presentation Affects Sale Price, Days on Market, and ROI Home staging is one of the most underused tools in a real estate investor's toolkit. Most investors treat it as an optional expense. The ones who understand it treat it as a marketing strategy that directly affects what a property sells for and how fast it sells. In this episode, Alisa Sparks, founder and CEO of Linden Creek, breaks down the business case for professional home staging, what it actually costs, and what investors consistently get wrong when they try to do it themselves. About Alisa Sparks Alisa Sparks is the Founder and CEO of Linden Creek, a luxury interior design and home staging franchise with 22 locations across the country. Before founding Linden Creek, Alisa worked in corporate and military finance. She brings a data-first approach to staging, focusing on ROI, days on market, and the psychology of how buyers experience a property. What We Cover in This Episode Why vacant homes sell slower and for less than staged homes The psychology of staged vs. unstaged properties and how buyer behavior changes The $50,000 difference: a real A/B case study using two identical townhouse floor plans What home staging actually costs ($4,000 to $10,000) versus furnishing a property yourself ($15,000 to $60,000) How stagers think about MLS photography, buyer traffic flow, and storytelling in a space The difference between staging for sale and designing for a homeowner Why virtual staging falls short when buyers walk through the door Common DIY staging mistakes: wrong furniture scale, mismatched quality, poor accessorizing How to use staging to offset property flaws that can't be fixed (small kitchens, awkward layouts, neighbor issues) When to bring in a stager during the selling process and how long to keep furniture in place The competitive advantage of staging in markets where only 20% of listings do it How Linden Creek uses AI tools to scale marketing output with a small team Key Insight Two identical townhouse units. Same floor plan, same location, same everything. One sat vacant and sold in four months for around $600,000. The other was staged. It sold within the first week for $50,000 more. That one variable — staging — was the only thing that changed. Alisa has collected dozens of case studies like this across eight years and hundreds of properties. Why This Episode Matters Most real estate investors focus their capital on what's inside the walls — HVAC, plumbing, flooring. Alisa's argument is that the last 5% of the budget, spent on how the property looks and feels on the day it hits the market, often has the highest return. If you're flipping houses, selling rentals, or trying to lease model units faster, this episode gives you a framework for making that decision with real numbers. Find Out More Website: www.linden-creek.com Instagram: @lindencreek_ Instagram: @Alisa_Sparks LinkedIn (Company): www.linkedin.com/company/linden-creek LinkedIn (Alisa Sparks): www.linkedin.com/in/alisasparkslc/ YouTube: www.youtube.com/@LindenCreek Sponsors Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. https://www.livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and Medicare benefits. https://www.rcbassociatesllc.com

    28 min
  5. Jun 8

    From $500 to 60 Units: How To Build a $12M Rental Portfolio with Andres Bernal

    Most investors with 60 units didn't start with capital, connections, or a roadmap. Andres Bernal started with $500 and an FHA loan on a three-unit in Connecticut. He built that rental portfolio from there, one deal and one strategy at a time, until the income replaced his day job entirely. About Andres Bernal Andres Bernal came to the United States in 2012 as a professional tennis player from the Dominican Republic. He began investing in real estate in 2016 while still coaching full-time. Today he owns more than 60 rental units across Section 8, student, and long-term rentals, with a portfolio valued over $12 million. He is also the author of Born to Retire Young and currently runs three to five fix-and-flip projects per month in Connecticut. What We Cover in This Episode Why house hacking with an FHA loan is still the most reliable first move for new real estate investors How Andres scaled from 18 units to 60 in just two years by partnering strategically The case for student rentals: higher rents, parent co-signers, and lower effective expenses than traditional long-term rentals Why Connecticut is one of the hottest real estate markets in the country right now and why nobody is talking about it The tenant education process Andres runs at every move-in and why it is the single biggest factor in smooth property management How he manages three to five flips per month with 12 in-house contractors and a four-person rental management team When to sell a rental property with strong equity but weak cash flow and what to do with the proceeds Key Insight Andres bought his first house hack in 2016 for $210,000. It appraised last year at nearly $500,000. After refinancing, it cash flows $1,600 per month. He still owns it. That one deal funded everything that came after. Why This Episode Matters If you are sitting on the sideline waiting for the right market or the right amount of money, this episode is worth your time. Andres did it with $500, no network, and a coaching job. The strategies he used, house hacking, the BRRRR method, student rentals, and strategic flipping, are all still available to investors who are willing to execute. Find Out More Andres Bernal's book, Born to Retire Young, is available on Amazon. Proceeds from book sales go toward a charity in the Dominican Republic that supports improving the school system for children. His second book on flipping is expected mid-2026. Instagram: @AndresBerna1 Facebook: Andres Bernal Sponsors Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. www.livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and Medicare benefits. www.rcbassociatesllc.com

    30 min
  6. Jun 1

    Why Rental Portfolios Stall at $5M: Profit, Impact, and Enjoyment with Andy Clark

    *]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "request-WEB:29f0a09d-7885-42ce-9f27-2936dada0349-3" data-testid= "conversation-turn-8" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Most rental portfolios stall between $500,000 and $5 million. Not because the deals stop. Because the owner is still operating like a technician instead of a CEO. In this episode, Brian talks with Andy Clark, bestselling author of Getting the Whole Pie and creator of the Whole Pie System. Andy works with small business owners who have hit operational ceilings and need structure, clarity, and accountability to scale sustainably. If your rental business feels heavier than it used to… this conversation is for you. In This Episode, You'll Learn: Why growth creates operational strain between $1M–$5M The difference between being a visionary and an executor Why what got you here won't get you there The three pillars of a healthy business: Profit, Impact, Enjoyment How to build a foundation before scaling further The four components of the "flywheel" that drive sustainable growth Why clear ownership prevents chaos How to identify the right metrics for your portfolio Why decisive action beats perfect analysis How unresolved issues drain energy and stall momentum Why business owners often choose their own frustration The Whole Pie Framework Andy's system focuses on three core outcomes: Profit – Strong, sustainable financial performance Impact – Making lives better through your business Enjoyment – Building a company that doesn't own you Too many investors focus only on profit. But when impact and enjoyment are ignored, burnout, stagnation, and operational breakdown follow. The Flywheel: Turning Strategy Into Execution Once the foundation is built, Andy implements a structured "flywheel" model: Clear Ownership of priorities Right Metrics that act as your dashboard Smart Decisions using data and values Great Meetings that drive accountability It's not flashy. It's not sexy. But it's what separates sustainable growth from chaos. Why This Matters for Rental Property Owners If you: Feel stuck at a certain portfolio size Are involved in every decision Can't step away without things breaking Are growing revenue but not freedom You're not alone. The solution isn't more units. It's better structure. Resources Mentioned Getting the Whole Pie by Andy Clark thewholepiesystem.com The Whole Pie Health Check (free tool) Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. https://www.livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and Medicare benefits. https://www.rcbassociatesllc.com

    31 min
  7. May 25

    The BRRRR Method Before It Had a Name: 30 Years of Hard Lessons with Joel Kraut

    Most real estate investors never reach financial freedom. Not because they lack hustle. Not because they miss deals. They fail because they never build a real long-term strategy. In this episode, Brian sits down with Joel Kraut, a real estate investor with over 30 years of experience. Joel has flipped more than 100 homes, built rental portfolios across multiple states, operated through the 2008 crash, and rebuilt after losing $4.2M during the financial crisis. Today, he shares the framework behind his book Seven Steps to Financial Freedom and explains how investors can build portfolios that survive volatility and compound over time. In This Episode, You'll Learn: How Joel accidentally discovered the BRRRR method in the 1990s The biggest differences between real estate investing then vs. now Why today's financing options are more flexible than ever Where the BRRRR strategy still works in 2026 Why most investors fail because they treat real estate like transactions instead of a business How to build a team before you scale The importance of slowing down and creating a real financial foundation Why boring deals often outperform "home run" swings How Joel recovered after losing $4.2M in the 2008 crash The mindset required to survive big financial swings Why financial freedom is really about time freedom Joel also shares why new investors should focus on simple, structured deals instead of risky, high-leverage bets—and how discipline beats hype every time. About Joel Kraut Joel Kraut is a real estate investor, author, and operator with over 30 years of experience. He has flipped more than 100 homes, built rental portfolios across multiple states, and financed projects nationwide through his lending platform. After navigating multiple market cycles—including the 2008 crash—Joel now focuses on helping investors build sustainable, long-term strategies rather than chasing short-term wins. Resources Seven Steps to Financial Freedom – Available on Amazon Website: brrrr.com Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and Medicare benefits. rcbassociatesllc.com

    32 min
  8. May 18

    From $200 a Month to $5,000: How the Co-Living Model Transforms Rental Cash Flow with Katrina Robinson

    Co-living is one of the most overlooked strategies in real estate investing. While most investors chase single-family rentals generating $200 a month per door, a small group of operators is filling houses with multiple residents, charging per bed, and clearing $5,000 or more on a single property. In this episode, co-living investor and coach Katrina Robinson breaks down exactly how this model works, who it serves, and how she runs three properties in San Antonio, Texas from Los Angeles. About Katrina Robinson Katrina Robinson is the founder of the Group Home on Autopilot coaching program and operator of Roundtable Living, a San Antonio-based co-living company with three properties housing low-income residents including people with disabilities, working-class adults, elderly tenants, and reentry individuals. A former Air Force officer deployed to Iraq, she manages her portfolio remotely and coaches investors nationwide on how to build and run co-living businesses profitably. What We Cover in This Episode What co-living is and how it differs from assisted living and adult foster care Why Katrina targets low-income, disability, elderly, and reentry residents How she went from $200 a month per door to $5,000+ per property The economics of co-living: beds, pricing by market, and the $2,000 monthly target How to choose the right property: bedrooms, bathrooms, layout, and amenities Why she avoids HOAs and how the Fair Housing Act protects her business How to segment residents by house to reduce conflict The systems she uses to manage properties remotely: Rent Ready, Jotform, Calendly, and Google Sheets The operations manager model and how she structured it as an independent contractor Real horror stories from the field and what they taught her about screening and systems Key Insight Katrina's first co-living house has 15 beds at $560 a month each. Gross income: $8,400. Her take-home after expenses: over $5,000 a month on one property. That single result convinced her to open a second house, then a third, and eventually build a coaching business around the model. The math works because the per-bed rate, even at an affordable price point, stacks in a way that single-family cash flow never does. Why This Episode Matters Affordable housing is one of the most pressing problems in the country and also one of the least understood opportunities in real estate. This episode gives investors a clear look at a model that addresses both, with real numbers, real systems, and real stories from someone who built it from the ground up and teaches others how to do the same. Find Out More Website: grouphomeonautopilot.com LinkedIn: Katrina E. Robinson YouTube: youtube.com/@grouphomeonautopilot Sponsors Today's episode is brought to you by Green Property Management, managing everything from single family homes to apartment complexes in the West Michigan area. livegreenlocal.com And RCB & Associates, helping Michigan-based real estate investors and small business owners navigate the complex world of health insurance and Medicare benefits. rcbassociatesllc.com

    30 min
4.6
out of 5
220 Ratings

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Welcome to the Rental Property Owner and Real Estate Investor Podcast, Brought to you by the Rental Property Owner Association - providing benefits and services to real estate investors and rental property owners for over 45 years. Hosted by Brian Hamrick from Hamrick Investment Group. Every Monday Brian and his special guest will discuss topics, tips, and techniques Designed to make you a more confident and successful Rental Property Owner and Real Estate Investor

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