The Gravel Ride. A cycling podcast

Craig Dalton

The Gravel Ride is a cycling podcast where we discuss the people, places and products that define modern gravel cycling. We will be interviewing athletes, course designers and product designers who are influencing the sport. We will be providing information on where to ride, what to ride and how to stay stoked on gravel riding.

  1. 10/24/2025

    Rallying Across Europe: Inside the Aurora Gravel Adventure Series

    Exploring Aurora's unique multi-day rally format and the people bringing gravel culture to Cyprus, Switzerland, and Portugal. This week, we're heading overseas for a new kind of gravel adventure. The Aurora Gravel Rally Series blends the spirit of exploration with the thrill of competition — taking riders across stunning landscapes in Cyprus, Switzerland, and Portugal. Craig sits down with Fiona, Race Director for the Portugal event, to unpack what makes the Aurora Gravel format so special. From timed rally segments to all-inclusive multi-day experiences, Fiona shares how Aurora is redefining what it means to race and travel on gravel. Expect insights on: How rally-style racing works and why it opens gravel to more riders The cultural flavor of each European stop — from the Mediterranean to the Alps Aurora's vision for balancing community, challenge, and discovery What makes Portugal a hidden gem for gravel cyclists If you've ever dreamed of combining racing with real adventure, this one's for you. Links Mentioned: 🌍 Aurora Gravel Website 🔧 Logos Components – Fall Super Sale (Sponsor) Credits: Hosted by Craig Dalton Produced by The Gravel Ride Podcast Transcript: Craig Dalton (00:29) Today's episode is brought to you by our longtime friends at Logos Components, who are making their award-winning wheels more accessible than ever, with discounts up to 40 % in their entire lineup during the fall super sale, now through November 2nd. If you're a regular listener, you may recall an episode I did with Logos co-founder and longtime podcast contributor, Randall Jacobs, talking about what makes a great wheel set. If you haven't heard it, it's definitely worth a listen, especially if you're in the market for new wheels. In that episode, Randall laid out Logos' core philosophy. Start with proven open standards and non-proprietary parts for unmatched durability and serviceability. Then push the boundaries with advanced materials, precision manufacturing to achieve high strength at impressively low weights. Logos wheels feature famously reliable dual spring star ratchet, engagement mechanism, mixed modulus layups for superior strength to weight ratio, tough molded in bead hooks on road and gravel rims for tire security, and brass nipples that won't corrode, seize, or fail like their aluminum alloy counterparts. Every detail is meticulously engineered for performance, versatility, and longevity. Logos wheels are so good that BikePacking.com named them gear of the year. and Pink Bike's Dario DiGuglio liked his review wheels so much he purchased them. These wheels are seriously reliable too. Logos backs every wheel with a lifetime warranty and a lifetime no fault incident protection program that even transfers to future owners. So yeah, they've got you covered for life. And if you don't believe those professional reviewers accolades, maybe you'll believe my story. I've been riding Logos wheels for years now. In fact, my daily 650 wheel set that I absolutely hammer on Mount Tam on my gravel bike is of course manufactured by my friends at Logos. Head on over to LogosComponents.com to explore the full lineup, including recent additions like their next generation EPOCHE G2 and G2SL gravel wheels and the JIDA G2SL XC race wheel. Remember the logo Super Sale wraps up on November 2nd. So head on over there now and make sure to tell Randall and the team that Craig sent you. Now onto the show. Craig Dalton (02:51) This week we're heading overseas to talk about a new kind of gravel adventure, the Aurora Gravel Rally Series. Born out of the idea that gravel racing should be equal parts challenge and exploration, Aurora takes riders to stunning destinations around Europe, including Cyprus, Switzerland, and Portugal. Today I'm joined by the race director for the Portugal event, who will share how the series came together what makes their rally format unique and stand out, and why these races are much more than about watts. They're about community, culture, and the ride of a lifetime. So grab your bottles and settle in. This one's gonna be a fun one. With that said, let's welcome Fiona to the show. Craig Dalton (03:31) Fiona, welcome to the show. Fiona (03:32) Hi, thanks so much for having me. Craig Dalton (03:34) Good to see you. What time is it in Portugal? Fiona (03:36) It is currently 4.40 in the afternoon. Craig Dalton (03:39) Okay, well I appreciate you spending a little bit of your late afternoon with us today. Fiona (03:43) I appreciate you getting up early to speak with me, but we've made it work. Craig Dalton (03:46) Yeah, we sure have. I'm excited to talk about the Aurora Gravel Rally Series. I knew it was going to be a tongue twister for me, but it's such a cool event. Events, I should say, three events in one. So why don't you give us just a high-level overview of the series, and then we can talk maybe about the founder and his vision, and we'll get into obviously each of the three events in some detail. Fiona (03:54) Hahaha Sure, yes. So this is a brand new series. Next year, we're going to have three events. The first one's going to be Cyprus, the second one ⁓ Switzerland, and the third one Portugal. And it is a gravel rally series. So it has a rally format ⁓ to the races. They're not all the same length. They're all multi-stage. So for example, Cyprus and Portugal are both five days stages, ⁓ Switzerland's two days. ⁓ But in amongst all those stages, there's timed sectors. So the difference between, I guess, quite a lot of other ⁓ gravel races and ours is that we're all about having that mixture between kind of fun riding and Craig Dalton (04:44) Okay. Fiona (05:02) really fast riding and it's kind of the competitive element as well. So yeah. Craig Dalton (05:07) Okay. So that might, in the U S we might think of that as segment based racing, probably most well known in the grind, Doro series around the world. So just to kind of put a fine point on it for those who don't necessarily haven't participated in any of those events, only certain segments of the course are timed, which means you can do whatever you want during the other segments. If you want to. Fiona (05:12) Sure. Mm-hmm. Craig Dalton (05:33) Wait up for friends, you want to stop and have snacks, you want to ride with a group. You can go as fast or slow as you want in those intermediary parts of the race. And then when you get to a time segment, if you're motivated in that way, you can just go after those bits. Fiona (05:48) Exactly. Yeah, you've described that perfectly. That's exactly how it is. And it's such a cool way to organise an event because like you said, you could be there with your friends who might not be the same standard as you. You can still race your race and get to the beginning of a segment and be like, okay, let's go. I'll see you at the end. And you do your thing. They do theirs. And then you carry on together. ⁓ as well as giving everyone opportunity just to see the landscape, see what the culture is. You could even stop for a coffee. We've got some cool ⁓ feed station ideas that are a little bit different that are gonna be coming out soon as well. And yeah, I just think it'll be a little bit more than your normal average race that we've seen. Craig Dalton (06:36) And can you talk a little bit about why you chose that format? there a reason like logistically or was there other reasons why you wanted to do a rally based event? Fiona (06:46) Great question. It was the founders ⁓ idea, so Julien, ⁓ he came up with this idea and we've run with it because we completely agreed. There's a number of good reasons why it works well. First of all, I think it naturally attracts a wider range of participants and we didn't want to immediately go straight into just ⁓ being a very competitive elite race. So we really did want to attract ⁓ maybe newcomers to the sport, people that would maybe find it quite a challenge to ride, you know, up to a hundred K and maybe a little bit more on some stages on gravel. So to make it seem achievable for them, ⁓ logistically, it is a lot easier to manage a segmented race because as you can imagine, when you've got a not river crossings, road crossings, or you're going through a village, you're not having to try and police that in the same way as you would with people coming through full gas. ⁓ So in terms of the health and safety, it makes it generally a little safer. The segmented sections we've organized so that they have no road crossings. They're very safe even in terms of the gravel. So they're not too technical on those sections too. So people can really go hard without it feeling like it could be dangerous. And then, yeah, you have the chance to put the course to places you wouldn't put a race actually. So through the most interesting little villages and tiny streets where you'd wanna go slow and take your time and just look around. So yeah, those are the multiple reasons and I think it's gonna be really popular. Craig Dalton (08:19) Okay. Got it. The other thing that might be slightly different than other events that we've had on the show before is that each of these, as you mentioned, is a multi-day event. So can you talk why that was important? And then we'll take a little bit of a detour and go back to Julianne and his background in the original vision. Fiona (08:50) Sure, yeah, definitely. ⁓ multi-stages, it just seemed to make sense because if you're already flying to a different country and in the case of Cyprus, you're flying to an island, which takes some logistics to get to anyway, it just made sense to have it as a multi-tay event to make the most of having made that effort to get there and really showcase the best of that country. ⁓ And Julien really wanted to put in this all-inclusive style of racing where, you know, the airport transfers are there, the hotels and the acco

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  2. 08/26/2025

    Crafting Adventure: The Outer Shell Bag Company Story

    In this conversation, Craig Dalton and Jim Santos delve into the origins and evolution of Outer Shell, a cycling bag company based in San Francisco. They discuss the Bay Area's coffee culture, the shift in cycling trends towards comfort and convenience, and the thoughtful design and material choices that set Outer Shell apart. Jim shares insights into their product line, warranty policies, and the challenges of scaling production while maintaining quality. The discussion also touches on unique products like the Magic Musette and Pico Pannier, highlighting the brand's commitment to innovation and customer satisfaction. Takeaways: Outer Shell started as a response to a local coffee culture in San Francisco. The company was founded by Kyle, who has a background in mechanical engineering and a passion for cycling. Sewing allows for creative freedom in product design compared to other manufacturing methods. Cycling trends have shifted towards comfort and carrying more gear for enjoyment. Outer Shell aims to be the second or third bag purchase for customers, focusing on quality and design. The materials used are rugged and designed for durability, with a focus on repairability. The company offers a lifetime warranty, emphasizing customer service and product confidence.  Production is done in-house, allowing for quick adjustments based on customer feedback. The brand explores unique colors and patterns, often inspired by current trends. Chapters 00:00 Exploring the Bay Area Coffee Culture 05:03 The Birth of Outer Shell Bags 09:56 Shifting Trends in Cycling Gear 13:53 Product Line Overview and Design Philosophy 20:19 Material Choices and Warranty Insights 27:45 Scaling Production and Future Plans 32:41 Unique Products: Magic Musette and Pico Pannier

    40 min
  3. 06/10/2025

    Beyond Aero: How KAV is Reinventing the Bike Helmet from the Inside Out

    Craig welcomes back Whitman Kwok, founder of KAV Helmets, to talk about the launch of their latest high-performance helmet, the Rhoan. They dive into the evolution of 3D-printed custom helmet technology, the bold move to open a new U.S.-based manufacturing facility in Buffalo, and how pro rider feedback helped shape the future of bike safety and performance. From tech talk to trail stories, this episode is a must-listen for gearheads and gravel cyclists alike. keywordsKAV Helmets, 3D printing, custom helmets, helmet technology, cycling safety, helmet design, manufacturing, aerodynamics, crash replacement, cycling gear summaryIn this conversation, Craig Dalton speaks with Whitman Kwok, founder and CEO of KAV Helmets, about the evolution of the KAV brand, the innovative technology behind their custom 3D-printed helmets, and the recent launch of the Rhoan helmet. They discuss the challenges and successes of expanding manufacturing operations to Buffalo, the importance of aerodynamics and ventilation in helmet design, and the rigorous testing and safety standards that KAV Helmets adheres to. Whitman shares insights into the company's mission to provide confidence and safety for cyclists, as well as their unique crash replacement policy. takeaways KAV Helmets custom makes helmets using 3D printing technology. The process involves taking a single photo to create a custom fit. 3D printing allows for innovative designs not possible with traditional methods. KAV expanded its manufacturing to Buffalo for better efficiency. The Rhoan helmet was designed for both aerodynamics and ventilation. Testing involved extensive wind tunnel analysis for validation. KAV Helmets has a one-time crash replacement policy for safety. The company adheres to high safety standards beyond regulatory requirements. KAV Helmets aims to provide confidence in cycling activities. The customization options allow users to express their creativity. titles Revolutionizing Cycling Safety with KAV Helmets The Future of Custom Helmets: KAV's Journey   Chapters 00:00Introduction and Background of Kav Helmets 02:00Custom 3D Printing Technology 04:19Advantages of 3D Printing in Helmet Design 08:17Expansion and Manufacturing Journey 13:22New Manufacturing Facility in Buffalo 16:40Launch of the New Rhoan Helmet 18:22Innovative Design Features of the Rhone Helmet 22:32Innovative Helmet Design and Air Fit Suspension 24:58Aerodynamics and Wind Tunnel Testing 26:59Balancing Aesthetics and Performance 30:45Customization and User Experience 33:00Collaboration with Professional Athletes 34:38Crash Replacement Policy and Safety Standards 36:05Testing Standards and Internal Validation 40:10In-House Testing and Product Development 42:18The Evolution of Helmet Design and Safety Features 42:38New Chapter

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  4. Conquering the White Roads with Trek Travel: A Thrilling Gravel Experience at Strade Bianche Gran Fondo

    04/08/2025

    Conquering the White Roads with Trek Travel: A Thrilling Gravel Experience at Strade Bianche Gran Fondo

    Join host Craig Dalton and Trek Travel's Rich Snodsmith as they take you on an exhilarating journey through the heart of gravel cycling in Italy. In this episode of The Gravel Ride podcast, they share their recent experience at the Strade Bianche Gran Fondo trip organized by Trek Travel. With over three decades of friendship, these two avid cyclists reminisce about their chance meeting at the Lugano Cycling World Championships in 1996 and their shared passion for the sport. Throughout the episode, Rich and Craig discuss their incredible adventures, from vintage bikes at L'Eroica and witnessing the Strade Bianche professional bike race, to participating in the challenging 140-kilometer Gran Fondo alongside 7,000 other riders. They also share their encounters with pro cyclists and the camaraderie of the Trek Travel group. If you're looking for an immersive and unforgettable gravel cycling experience, this episode will inspire you to find dirt under your wheels and explore the breathtaking landscapes of Italy. Topics discussed: Introducing the Strade Bianche Gran Fondo trip with Trek Travel  Riding an international Gran Fondo  Experiencing the energy and spectacle of professional bike races  Meeting pro cyclists and gaining insights into the sport  Challenges and rewards of gravel riding in Italy  Stunning scenery, castles, and brick towns on the route  The supportive and well-organized nature of Trek Travel trips  Exciting plans for future cycling adventures Full Transcript: Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:00:03 to 00:00:33 Hello and welcome to the Gravelride podcast, where we go deep on the sport of gravel cycling through in depth interviews with product designers, event organizers and athletes who are pioneering the sport. I'm your host, Craig Dalton, a lifelong cyclist who discovered gravel cycling back in 2016 and made all the mistakes you don't need to make. I approach each episode as a beginner to unlock all the knowledge you need to become a great gravel cyclist. This week on the show, we welcome Rich Snodsmith from Trek Travel. Rich is one of my oldest cycling friends. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:00:33 to 00:01:00 We met over 30 years ago, actually, in Italy. As you'll hear from our story, Rich and I were recently in Siena in Italy for the Strada Bianchi Gran Fondo trip. With track travel, we were able to watch both the professional bike race as well as participate in a 140 kilometer mass start. Gran Fondo across the white roads, the white gravel roads of Siena. Fantastic trip. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:01:00 to 00:01:10 I can't wait for you to hear more of the details. With that said, let's jump right into the show. Hey, Rich, welcome to the show. Hey, Craig, good to see you. Thanks for having me on. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:01:10 to 00:01:36 Yeah, absolutely. You and I just shared a magical experience on the roads and trails of Italy, which is the purpose of you joining this call. But you, you and I have a rich history, no pun intended, of cycling experiences in Italy. That's right. We met randomly in 1996 at the Lugano Cycling World Championships and have stayed friends ever since. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:01:36 to 00:01:51 Yeah, fortunately I. I eventually moved to San Francisco a few years later. So we were able to ride together, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were able to ride together for. Gosh, it's hard to believe it's three decades at this point, which is crazy to think about. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:01:51 to 00:02:14 My end of our Lugano story was I was working in Italy and my colleague, who we both know, Jeff Sanchez, said to me, going to go to the World Championships and oh, by the way, we have to go pick up Rich. He's going to be at the Duomo in Milan on the way. Pre cell phones, be there at 5:00. Don't be late. Yeah, exactly. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:02:14 to 00:02:34 So super fun to finally go back to Italy together. Obviously, we've been riding on the roads and trails of Marin county for a long time, but to finally have the stars align on this trip was fantastic. Yeah, it was great to get out there and do that again. We also saw another World Championships together in Richmond, Virginia. That's right, yeah. Rich Snodsmith (Guest) | 00:02:34 to 00:02:40 The thing for the World Championships, you've. Seen a few and we've got a future one. I Think in our plans, right? Oh, yeah. Montreal 2026. Rich Snodsmith (Guest) | 00:02:40 to 00:02:55 Let's go. There we go. See you there. So this, you put the idea of this trip in my mind probably December of last year. And the trip, to be specific, because I don't think we've mentioned it, although I probably mentioned it in the intro. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:02:55 to 00:03:09 Is the Strada Bianchi professional bike race trip with Trek Travel. Was it me that put it in your mind? I was asking you where you were going to go. I thought you. I thought you convinced me, but I was down as soon as you suggested it. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:03:11 to 00:03:52 It's interesting. Obviously, we're on a gravel cycling podcast and this is sort of a. A hybrid trip almost because we're road riding, but we're riding on the Strada Bianca, the white roads of Tuscany outside Siena. And for those listeners who are fans of both professional road racing and gravel cycling, I think Strada Bianchi is the race that gets us most excited because we see the coverage, we see the professional road riders riding on gravel, and the visuals are just awesome. And they're kind of like what we experience as gravel racers and riders routinely. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:03:52 to 00:04:19 But so cool to see all the pro bike teams go through and participate in the event. So I was super stoked, obviously. I'd been on a Trek Travel gravel tour in Girona a couple years prior, so I'd had that experience with Trek, but this is the first kind of pro bike race enabled tour that I'd ever been on. Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting to blend those things together. I mean, you being more of a gravel rider, me being more of a road rider. Rich Snodsmith (Guest) | 00:04:20 to 00:04:59 But the last few trips I've taken with Trek Travel have been gravel trips. You know, getting out there and trying new things, trying the Vermont trip, trying the Dolomites last year, this was just a really cool experience to put like my fandom of the road cycling and racing world along with this, like, almost instant classic. The race has only been around for 20 years and it's like, become a real fan favorite. Yeah, I was, I was looking up some of the history of the race and I didn't realize that it started out with Laroica, which is a. An event that many people have heard about where you ride vintage bikes on this course. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:04:59 to 00:05:18 And the professional bike race emerged. So the loraca started in 1997. In 2007 is when the professional bike race emerged. So it's interesting. And obviously being in that region and riding in that region, we saw signs of Loraka all over the place, right? Rich Snodsmith (Guest) | 00:05:18 to 00:05:38 Yeah, we Even ate at the Laroica Cafe. That was incredible. Yeah, exactly. And I came home with a Loracha sweatshirt as well. And then the, the, the cool thing, and we probably failed to mention it at this point is there's the Gran Fondo the day after, after Strada Bianchi, which was awesome. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:05:38 to 00:05:59 So we actually get to go on a 140 kilometer rides. A ride on the similar roads as the professionals. Yeah, it's not the full men's road course, but it's pretty close to the women's road course and we cover all the last, you know, climbs, you know, that the. Both the men's and the women's race covered. That was really cool. Rich Snodsmith (Guest) | 00:05:59 to 00:06:21 Especially after seeing them finish the day before and then going out and riding those roads, seeing where Poga crashed and then, you know, doing that last 20k of climbs is just bananas, beautiful and hard. It was pretty rewarding that ride. I can't wait to get into that details a little bit more of the event later. I did. I'm. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:06:21 to 00:06:46 As I'm speaking, I misspoke because I have been to Europe once before around the Tour of Flanders and did the Tour of Flanders grandson do, which I noted. And in speaking to the Trek travel guides, you've got a series of awesome trips that month in Flanders of a similar vein. Right. You do have Perry Roubaix and. Or a Flanders trip. Rich Snodsmith (Guest) | 00:06:46 to 00:06:57 Yeah. You can choose the whole Holy Week, you could do both Flanders and Roubaix or you can break it into chunks and do one or the other. So it's. Yeah. If you're a pro race fan, that's a nice companion to Strat Bianca. Rich Snodsmith (Guest) | 00:06:57 to 00:07:10 The. The Flanders Roubaix ultimate weekend or ultimate week there. And then one of the highlights of the year, presumably for Trek travel is your Tour de France tours. For sure. We take over a couple hundred people there every year. Rich Snodsmith (Guest) | 00:07:11 to 00:07:19 We do usually do five or six trips through the Alps and the Pyrenees. It's. That's a pretty exciting one too, if you've never been to the Tour. For sure. Yeah. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:07:19 to 00:07:45 Well, let's talk through the trip a little bit that we participated in because I think it'll give people a flavor. I've talked about my, my experience with track in Girona and my general love of gravel travel. But more extensively, I love traveling by bike and having these experiences because it's just, it's just so much fun. So we start off the trip, it's a pretty quick trip relative to some others because in a five day timeline. Right. Craig Dalton (Host) | 00:07:45 to 00:08:01 So we flew over. You'd Already been in Europe, but I flew over to Florence and met you the night before. And day one, we basically just get picked up by our guides and head on ov

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  5. 06/19/2024

    Tackling the 2024 UNBOUND 200 with Coach Justin Bowes

    In this episode, Craig Dalton and Justin Bowes reflect on the lead-up to the Unbound Gravel 200 race, sharing insights into the unique training approach adopted to prepare for the challenging event. They discuss the strategic training block, the importance of quality over quantity, utilizing power meters for training effectiveness, and the significance of recovery in a compressed time frame. The conversation dives into the pivotal four-day mini camp, highlighting the benefits of stacking workload and the nuances of balancing intervals and endurance rides.  Support the Podcast Join The Ridership  Key themes include strategically structuring training around time constraints, leveraging prior endurance experience, the impact of power meter training, optimizing recovery for peak performance, and the mental challenges faced leading up to a formidable gravel race like Unbound. Key Takeaways: Strategic training plans can be tailored effectively to accommodate time constraints and previous endurance experience. Balancing interval workouts with endurance rides is crucial for building strength and endurance for challenging events. Utilizing power meters can provide valuable insights into training progress and help optimize performance. Adequate recovery periods are essential for the body to absorb training load effectively, leading to improved performance. Mental preparation and breaking down the race into manageable segments can help athletes. Transcript: [00:00:00] - (): Craig Dalton: Justin, welcome back to the show, [00:00:02] - (): Justin Bowes: Craig. Thank you for having me. It's good to see you again. [00:00:05] - (): Craig Dalton: Post Unbound. We did it. [00:00:07] - (): Justin Bowes: That's right. You did it. Yeah, you did it a big way. [00:00:12] - (): Craig Dalton: I appreciate you coming on board and being my muse to help me tell my story. I feel like you were an integral part of my life for a while this year. **** - (): In our last episode, we talked about kind of what the run up to my non cycling related vacation looked like. And maybe we pick up the story post that vacation. [00:00:33] - (): Justin Bowes: Sure. Yeah, it was, we discussed on the, on the first pod that, we, we were having a little bit uncharacteristic buildup, um, not only because you had some, prior work, obligations with, as far as travel, but we were starting quite late, um, as well. **** - (): So we had to, be a little creative in how we wanted to, to approach your training. So, right when you were, uh, leaving, we had really built up your training load, um, because obviously we knew that you were going to be leaving and you're gonna have time off the bike. You weren't gonna be. **** - (): Completely immobile. I mean, you were, we're going to be able to, do some running and walking and some lifting and, and, um, a few stationary bike sessions in there and things like that, but it's not the most ideal unbound training, especially when you're training for the 200 and. We're only a couple months into it or, a couple of months out from it, I should say. **** - (): And so, uh, the thought behind, how I wanted to structure your training was to take advantage of the, the, the amount of time that you did not have to train. And so where a traditional buildup would have multiple big ride days on the weekends, um, not only that, but then also, during the week, You would have your meat and potato interval session, but also bookend it with some big endurance rides on the front and the back end of it, but you just didn't have that available to you. **** - (): So, um, I needed to make sure that we were going to take advantage of not only the lack of time that you had available to you, but also you're, you're no stranger to endurance, um, athletics. So you had a background that I could work with. And that makes all the difference. If you were just coming to me off the street and say, Hey, can you get me ready? **** - (): And less than four months, for a 200 mile gravel race, the hardest 200 mile gravel race in the world. It would, that would be a different story, but thankfully you, you had some background in endurance, so it wasn't. A foreign concept to your body. [00:02:48] - (): Craig Dalton: It was interesting in my training block leading up to Cuba because we really didn't do a lot of meaningfully long rides, but I also understood like, I'd never really done meaningful intervals before. **** - (): And clearly like the workouts you were prescribing to me that were one hour in duration. Pretty tired afterwards. Like I felt like I really gassed myself because now that we're looking at a power meter and we're really saying it's not like perceived level of exertion. It's like, here's the exertion you need to achieve. **** - (): Um, and it was really, I mean, frankly, it was like, I was burying myself on a lot of those workouts, which was very different than anything I'd been done doing in the, the decade before, to be honest. [00:03:32] - (): Justin Bowes: Right. Right. And I mean, it's, it's the old adage, quality over quantity. And again, I, I keep coming back to, the time crunch. **** - (): I mean, that's what we were up against. And so I really wanted to make sure that, the lead up to your trip to Cuba, but then also once you get back, we added enough low to you. to your training so that, um, the break was needed. And so your body would be able to absorb all of that load while you're gone because, yes, you would still be active, but you weren't training. **** - (): And so it allowed your body to recover from all that. And by the way, Um, Craig did an amazing job, um, of hitting all of his workouts. Like, I want to say there's less than a handful that were just kind of like, didn't nail them perfectly, but it wasn't for the lack of trying by any means. Um, and so, um, with that, and you brought up the point too, it's just like, you've never trained with power before, and so there was just, that was just another element to the training that we had to kind Yeah. implement. It wasn't like, Oh yeah, I've been training for years with power. So I know what my zones are and why and all of that. So kind of helping coach you through, the use of the power meters and, and the importance of that. **** - (): I think it gave us a really good detailed picture of where the training was going and you could see. Yeah. and ultimately feel, yourself getting stronger, after each week, things just got better and better and better. So once you got back into the country, then it was time to start, we'll continue on the interval workouts, but we're going to start introducing, the longer sessions as well. [00:05:21] - (): Craig Dalton: Yeah, yeah. And I remember like I definitely felt tired when I left for that week off, um, and unfortunately not incredibly refreshed after my quote unquote vacation, because there's a lot of running around with the family, but coming back and looking at the training calendar, we had a couple of things up in the air, but we knew like that next six weeks was going to be a big build of long rides, endurance rides, and continuing on some of the interval work. [00:05:47] - (): Justin Bowes: Right, right. And so, had, had things been different as far as scheduling of the trip and things like that, we may have flipped the script a little bit and did all of your big rides be, on the front end, and then do all the more structured training, the higher, shorter, sharper stuff on the back end. **** - (): But I just felt like with your background and what we wanted to accomplish with Unbound, um, it was better for us to, to stack those. shorter, sharper workouts on the front end and then give yourself time to relax or, absorb. And then once you came back and we figured out, some pieces as far as like, Hey, when can we get out and do back to back big rides? **** - (): And I want to talk about that too, because I think it was really important, um, in the buildup, um, for the race, um, those, those four days of just, some really good rides, but it, it, it, It was working and from my standpoint, I could see, the fatigue building, but your recovery was also taking, it was, it was working as well, and so it was like, we'd stack the work on you. **** - (): But then the recovery days were structured so that, those. again, your body absorbs that work. And the cool thing with watching you is he can, you, Craig, he can handle a lot of work, so I'd be looking at your workouts, every day. And I'm like, he's, he's doing this, like he's actually absorbing all this workload. **** - (): And that's where it was really starting to fuel my confidence. And what you were going to be able to, um, accomplish at Unbound was, not only is he nailing all these workouts, but he's also recovering on the backside of it too. And that was just, again, it was fueling my confidence for you to egg you on to say, Craig, you can do this. **** - (): Like we're in a really good position. And I didn't want to get down into all the weeds with you as far as like what I was seeing, right? Right. Because ultimately it's just like, I just want Craig, you to understand you can do this. So it was really cool from my standpoint to see. [00:08:03] - (): Craig Dalton: Yeah. It's interesting. As you talk about, like, if, if we had given more time that you might've done the longer rides earlier and then that kind of high performance stuff later, right. **** - (): I kind of feel like I might've struggled with confidence With that approach, even though like, obviously I would've had massive workouts six weeks back. [00:08:24] - (): Justin Bowes: Yeah, yeah. . But I [00:08:25] - (): Craig Dalton: kind of, I kind of like the, the idea that we were progressively testing me Yes. On these harder and harder weekends towards the end. **** - (): Right? [00:08:34] - (): Justin Bowes: Yeah. And I, and definitely by design , but at the same time it, it, it wor

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  6. 06/12/2024

    Exploring the Gravel Roads of Colombia with Arriba Travel

    This week we welcome Tomas Castrillon, the founder of Arriba Travel, to talk about the joys of gravel cycling in Colombia. We discuss the allure of traveling by bike, the unique cultural experiences that can be found off the beaten path, and the incredible diversity of Colombia's landscapes. Tomas shares his personal journey into the world of cycling and how it led him to create a bicycle travel company. He also provides insights into the specific route of Arriba Travel's Bogota to Medellin gravel trip, highlighting the challenging climbs, beautiful scenery, and rural communities that participants will encounter along the way. Arriba Gravel Colombia Website Support the Podcast Join The Ridership  About the Guest(s): Tomas Castrillon is the founder of Arriba Travel, a bicycle travel company based in Colombia. With a passion for cycling and a desire to share the beauty of his country with others, Tomas started Arriba Travel in 2011. He has been organizing and leading road bike tours in Colombia for over a decade, and more recently, he has expanded into gravel bike tours. Tomas is dedicated to providing a premium experience for his clients, combining challenging rides with comfortable accommodations and delicious cuisine. He believes that cycling is a way to explore and connect with the diverse landscapes and communities of Colombia. Key Takeaways: Gravel cycling in Colombia offers a unique opportunity to explore the country's diverse landscapes and connect with local communities. Colombia has a strong cycling culture, with cyclists of all skill levels and backgrounds enjoying the sport. Arriba Travel's Bogota to Medellin gravel trip is a challenging and beautiful adventure, featuring steep climbs, stunning views, and comfortable accommodations. The trip takes riders through rural communities where they can experience the agricultural traditions and warm hospitality of the Colombian people. Safety is a top priority for Arriba Travel, and the support team ensures that all participants have a positive and enjoyable experience. Automated Transcription, please excuse the typos:     [00:00:00] - (): Craig Dalton: Tomas, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me, Craig. How are you? I'm doing great. And, um, yeah, good evening to you. I'm super excited to have this conversation. We've been chatting a few minutes offline and I was just sharing, and the listener knows this well, I love gravel travel. I just love the idea of a exploration in foreign lands by bike. **** - (): And in particular, the. Kind of versatility, a drop bar gravel bike gives you in your exploration. Of course, [00:00:32] - (): Tomas Castrillon: it's great. What, what is it that attracts you about traveling with your bicycle? I mean, you're, you're, you mentioned it a little bit, but what's like, let's put it this way. What has been like the greatest adventure that you have been, uh, that you have had while, uh, traveling with a gravel bicycle so far? **** - (): I think it's just, [00:00:51] - (): Craig Dalton: you know, it's the idea that culture can unfold slowly. So as a tourist, you might go to a city and you might read a tourist map and go do this, that, and the other things, but there's so many things in between that a bike enables you to see along the way. And obviously as, as gravel cyclists, we're looking to get out into the wilderness and out into destinations unknown. **** - (): And surely if the route is well designed. , you're, you're going well off the beaten path. Correct. So you're, you're interacting with a part of the culture that may not see so many foreign travelers. Mm-Hmm. . So you're gonna get a really authentic experience versus sort of a whitewash tourist experience you might get in a major city. [00:01:34] - (): Tomas Castrillon: Correct? Correct. And, and what has been like the place that you said like, oh, I want to come back to this place? Or is there a place that you said like, oh, I would love to, uh, go and see that place on my, on my gravel bicycle. [00:01:45] - (): Craig Dalton: Well, I'm going to give you two answers. One self serving in this conversation is Columbia, which is where I'm talking to you. **** - (): And we'll get to that and why I have that in my head. Second is, is Girona. I went to Girona last year in Spain, and I think, just think there's miles and miles of gravel to explore there. And Girona itself is a great, City hub for these kinds of adventures. So as someone who, you know, I enjoy being in European cities, so you can have enough of that in the evenings, but still go spend your entire day riding your, riding your head off into the Spanish countryside. [00:02:24] - (): Tomas Castrillon: Of course. Of course. Of course. Yes. Yes. I, I think that, uh, like coming a little bit back to me, I, I fell in love with cycling like from a very early age. Uh, maybe you're aware of these, like you were telling me, they told me before we started this conversation that your father used to be a racer, but there was this wave of Colombian cyclists back in the eighties and they were like, I was, uh, uh, I'm 42. **** - (): Now I was five when these guys were storming the, the, they were doing so well in the, in the pro tour. And for me it was like, Oh my God, I really want to do that. I really want to ride my bicycle. My family on my father's side lives in Medellin, on my mother's side lives in Manizales, so they are far apart in terms of particularly time, because moving around these mountains can take a lot of time. **** - (): And so for me it was like, My mind was absolutely captured by, my imagination was captured by like these mountains and how they were ever since it was like for me, a constant sense of exploration that bicycles bring brings into my life. It's still going on. As I told you, it was like from the, from a very early age that I caught the bug for cycling. **** - (): So, yeah. [00:03:41] - (): Craig Dalton: At this point in 2024, that sort of history of Colombian cycling is certainly in the pro tour as well known. There've been some grand champions and some phenomenal riders from Colombia. Is there a part of Colombia for those of us whose geography might be struggling to understand the country? **** - (): Talk a little bit about the country and maybe are there hubs of cycling in Colombia that, that, that generally speaking we're graduating these phenomenal cyclists? [00:04:08] - (): Tomas Castrillon: Well, yes, like just to give you a broad idea, like, eh, Columbia or better the Andes, the Andes mountains, once they arrive into Columbia, they split into three branches. **** - (): The East branch, that is the one that in Bogota is located. The central branch. And as I got, I mean, as a reference point, Medellin might be the best, uh, reference point for that one. And then there is the West branch of the country. You have like pockets of, uh, cycling development all across the country. **** - (): Okay. So there is people from Bogota that are super strong people. People from Boyacá, so to give the audience a little bit of an idea, Nairo Quintana, these guys are all from Boyacá, well, Nairo Quintana particularly from Boyacá. And then you have people from the other branches of the Cordillera, so you have people like from Medellín, like Reygo. **** - (): So, but in general, like cycling is so, so, so big in Columbia that you get cycling from all across the country. So even places that are relatively flat, and we do have a lot of flats in Columbia, particularly closer to a north side of the, of the country, close to cities like Cartagena. So it's more like Caribbean on all these kind of atmosphere. **** - (): There are cyclists over there as well. So actually cycling in Columbia, it's so big that it's really. Actually, hard to grasp. I'm, I'm local. I ride my bicycle almost every day. I'm still, I'm surprised sometimes by the sheer number of cyclists that you can see on the road. It's might be, uh, in the, in the team we have like this joke that there are so many. **** - (): Uh, uh, I forget the one in English, so many hobos cycling their, their bicycle or across Columbia because you see somebody riding their bicycle full kit on in the middle of nowhere at a time that you were supposed to be doing some work and you will find always somebody riding their bicycle. And that's even more so on places like, I'm coming back to your question, like big cities, Bogota, Medellin, Manizales, coffee hub region. **** - (): All of those places have a really, really strong cycling culture regardless. So I think that, uh, when it, when you think of a country that has like these super strong background in cycling, I would say that Columbia, uh, it's, it's like in my experience, I'm having trouble a little bit in Europe, in other places of the world. **** - (): I would say like Columbia is still like, it's the best place for riding a bicycle, and it's amazing the number of people and people that get. Like how, not only the cyclist person, but actually the whole society. So one thing that we have in our tours and I mean, still surprising is how encouraging and how, uh, how our relations, our relationships with cycling or between cyclists and drivers is so positive. **** - (): Compared to other places in the world, because we, I mean, I'm not saying that it's 100 percent perfect, but the number of cases of road rage that we face, it's very limited compared to, I mean, the number of cases that you would see are very limited compared to the number of cyclists that you will see on the streets, right? **** - (): So, so that's, that's one very, very important thing about Colombia as a whole. [00:07:19] - (): Craig Dalton: Yeah, that's really great to hear. Going back to you personally, you know, you mentioned sort of becoming aware of these great Colombian cycling stars and wanting to do it yourself. Yeah. As a child, what was your pathway into the sport? *

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