Sober Friends

Matt J
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The Sober Friends Podcast: Two Guys Talking Recovery Matt and Steve have been sober for over a decade each. They still don't have it all figured out. This is a podcast about recovery - AA recovery specifically - but it's not your sponsor's recovery podcast. It's two friends talking through the stuff that actually matters: What do you DO when you're not drinking? How do you handle control issues 15 years in? Why does calling someone in recovery feel so goddamn hard? What happens when you remove alcohol but don't replace it with anything? And seriously, do you miss drinking or do you just miss the relief? Every week Matt and Steve work through these questions together - sometimes they have answers, sometimes they're figuring it out in real time, and sometimes they just need to talk it out like you do with a friend who gets it. If you're in recovery, thinking about recovery, or just trying to figure out how to live without alcohol as your coping mechanism - welcome. Grab some coffee. Let's talk. Topics: Alcoholics Anonymous, 12-step recovery, sobriety, addiction, relapse, service work, early recovery, staying sober, and everything in between. Matt and Steve work AA programs but speak only for themselves. This show isn't affiliated with Alcoholics Anonymous. New episodes weekly at soberfriendspod.com

  1. 4D AGO

    E269: The Recipe

    Send us Fan Mail Nobody gets sober because they want to stop drinking. They get sober because their life isn't working — and somewhere along the way, someone handed them a set of instructions that actually helped. Matt and Steve call it the recipe. Not a rulebook, not a religious text, not a list of suggestions. A recipe. Follow the steps enough times and something unexpected happens — it stops being something you do and starts being how you live. In this episode they dig into what sobriety actually opened up. Not the big obvious wins. The quieter ones. The mental chess game that used to run constantly in the background — calculating how much is there, how much have I had, how do I get more without anyone noticing — just gone. The emotional bandwidth that comes back when you're not spending all of it protecting your access to alcohol. The way treating people better stops being a program principle and starts being muscle memory. This one is for anyone who is still in the hard part and can't yet see what's on the other side. The recipe works. You just have to make it enough times before you stop needing to think about it. Find Sober Friends: Website: https://www.soberfriendspod.com Email: matt@soberfriendspod.com Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    32 min

  2. MAR 24

    E268: Dr. Adi Jaffe: Getting Better Is the Goal

    Send us Fan Mail What does recovery actually mean? If you've ever measured your sobriety by days and wondered if there was more to it than that, this episode is for you. Matt sits down with Dr. Adi Jaffe — psychologist, neuroscientist, UCLA researcher, and author of The Abstinence Myth and Unhooked — for one of the most honest and wide-ranging conversations Sober Friends has ever had. Dr. Jaffe went from meth-addicted drug dealer with nine felonies to earning his PhD and building one of the most forward-thinking recovery programs available today. He knows what it feels like to be on both sides of this. This episode challenges some assumptions — including a few of Matt's own. They dig into why black-and-white thinking keeps people stuck, why shame is more dangerous than the substance itself, why the label "alcoholic" helps some people and hurts others, and why stopping drinking is not the same thing as getting better. They also find more common ground between Dr. Jaffe's approach and AA than you might expect. Whether you're in AA, tried AA and it didn't stick, or are just trying to figure out what recovery looks like for you — this one is worth your time. Find Dr. Adi Jaffe: Website: https://www.adijaffe.com The Abstinence Myth: http://www.theabstinencemyth.com Unhooked: https://www.readunhooked.com IGNTD Recovery Program: https://www.igntd.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dradijaffe Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dradijaffe LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dradijaffe Find Sober Friends: Website: https://www.soberfriendspod.com Email: matt@soberfriendspod.com Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    49 min

  3. MAR 17

    E267: It Fixed What Was Wrong With Me

    Send us Fan Mail That's the part nobody wants to say out loud. Alcohol wasn't just a bad habit — for a lot of us, it was a solution. It fixed the social anxiety. It fixed the noise. It fixed the feeling of not fitting in. The problem wasn't that it didn't work. The problem was everything it cost. Matt shares a moment from a recent trip to Boston — walking past the warm lights of a hotel bar, depleted and exhausted, and feeling the whisper. He wasn't in danger. But he heard it. And that's exactly what this episode is about. He and Steve dig into the lies alcohol tells — not the obvious ones, but the sophisticated ones. The lies that knew exactly where you were weak and aimed right at it. The promise of ease, belonging, confidence, and feeling like an adult in the room. And why those lies were so hard to walk away from when, for a while at least, they actually seemed to work. Honest, personal, and a little uncomfortable. Just two sober friends telling the truth. Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    34 min

  4. MAR 3

    E266: Doorway or Loophole?

    Send us Fan Mail You've heard it a thousand times in the rooms — take what you like and leave the rest. But what does that actually mean? Matt and Steve dig into one of recovery's most repeated phrases and ask the question nobody wants to answer: are you using it as a doorway into the program, or a loophole out of it? From the opinions of the old-timer who never shuts up to skipping Step 4 because it makes you uncomfortable — there's a real difference between leaving what doesn't belong to the program and leaving what just challenges your ego. The guys also get into why sitting with discomfort is where the real work lives, and why being average might be exactly enough. Honest, a little uncomfortable, and not preachy. Just two sober friends talking about the stuff that actually matters. Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    33 min

  5. FEB 17

    E265: Carrying the Message (Without Being Preachy)

    Send us Fan Mail "Carrying the message" doesn't mean becoming Mr. AA or giving speeches at speaker meetings. It's not about recruiting, arguing on Facebook, or diagnosing strangers. In this episode, Matt and Steve talk honestly about what carrying the message actually looks like — and why it has nothing to do with preaching. Steve shares the story of his first AA meeting: lost, confused, and terrified. Then someone reached out with a simple handshake and said, "Hey, I'm Mike. How you doing tonight?" That moment changed everything. Not because Mike gave him a Big Book speech, but because he showed up and made him feel human. Matt breaks down his approach: "The number one thing I can do to share the message is to live a good sober life and not be a prick." He talks about being the kind of person who makes others curious about recovery — not through preaching, but through the quality of his life. We discuss: Why "attraction not promotion" actually works in practiceWhat it means to be "the only Big Book someone might read"Steve's realization: "I don't want to be the guy people think would be better off drinking"How carrying the message looks different at 3 months vs. 15 years soberThe story of the 11-month chip and the 38-year chip at the same meetingWhy newcomers carry the message too (even when they're struggling)Matt's exhaustion from travel and why taking care of yourself IS carrying the messageThe real reason Steve keeps his Monday night meeting goingThe conversation gets real about Steve's neighbor asking him to walk the dogs, his grandson's birthday party, and why being wanted at family events is the whole point of doing this work. Bottom line: You don't have to be perfect to carry the message. You just have to live well enough that when people hear you're in recovery, they're curious instead of skeptical. If you've ever felt uncomfortable about "carrying the message" or thought it wasn't your place because you're too new, too flawed, or too tired — this episode is for you. Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    32 min

  6. FEB 10

    E264: It's Not Your Fault (But It Is Your Responsibility)

    Send us Fan Mail Matt and Steve dive deep into Dr. Silkworth's groundbreaking work on alcoholism and why understanding the medical nature of addiction changes everything. They explore a fascinating discovery: Silkworth published his "allergy theory" in a 1937 medical journal—two years before the Big Book—challenging the common AA legend about why he initially hesitated to put his name in print. The hosts discuss why the Doctor's Opinion matters less for its 1939 medical accuracy and more for what it tells newly sober people: you have a condition, not a character flaw. Matt and Steve get real about the difference between the physical reality of addiction (not your fault) and the actions taken while drinking (your responsibility to address). Steve shares his own parallel journey with weight management and GLP-1 drugs, drawing powerful connections between different types of medical conditions that were once viewed as moral failings. The conversation unpacks why self-knowledge alone isn't enough to stay sober, the role of dopamine in addiction, and why removing shame is the first barrier that needs to fall. Whether you're brand new to sobriety or years into recovery, this episode offers a compassionate, science-informed perspective on what's really happening in your brain and body—and why that understanding is the foundation for everything that follows. Links to the two articles Silkworth wrote in 1937: Alcoholism as a Manifestation of Allergy Reclamation of the Alcoholic Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    32 min

  7. FEB 3

    E263: Service Work in Recovery: You Haven't Been Nominated to Drink Coffee

    Send us Fan Mail Service work in AA recovery isn't about giving back - it's about belonging, commitment, and staying sober.  "I don't even drink coffee." "That's fine. You haven't been nominated to drink coffee. You've been nominated to make coffee." Steve heard this exchange at his Thursday night men's meeting, and it might be the greatest line about service work ever spoken. Because that's exactly what service work is - doing something that isn't about you, that gets you connected, that gets you showing up. In this episode, Matt and Steve dig into service work in recovery - what it is, why people are afraid of it, and why it might be one of the most important parts of staying sober that nobody talks about enough. Matt opens up about his early motivation for service work, and it wasn't the noble "giving back" thing everyone talks about. It was simpler: "I wanted to feel like I belonged." He shares the story of being a door greeter at the Tuesday night Forbes Street meeting - scared out of his mind, showing up 30 minutes early every week, hugging everyone who walked in. By the end of 5 weeks, he knew everyone in that room. That's the power of service work. Steve talks about his journey from cleaning ashtrays and taking out trash at his Friday night men's meeting to doing district-level work 15+ years later. But here's what he says: "The most rewarding service work is still at the meeting level - because that's where you meet the new alcoholic, the fresh alcoholic who just came out of rehab or is just looking for a meeting." We break down what service work actually looks like: The basics: Putting away chairs, breaking down tables, making coffeeThe commitments: Chairing meetings, being treasurer, being secretaryThe next level: GSR (General Service Representative), district workThe often-overlooked one: Driving people to meetingsMatt shares the "dirty little secret" about service work: it gets you to go to meetings. When you have a commitment - coffee maker, chairperson, door greeter - you show up. You don't bail because you don't feel like it. You're expected to be there, so you go. And that commitment to the meeting becomes a commitment to your sobriety. Steve talks about why he keeps taking service commitments even after 15+ years: "It makes me part of that meeting so much more quickly. This Wednesday noon meeting, I've only been going for about a year and a half, and there are people who've been there for 20 years. But taking the coffee commitment puts me in as part of that group way faster than if I just show up and never do anything." We also tackle the fears people have about service work: "I'm too new" (Matt's fear early on)"I'll do it wrong" (Matt's coffee-making anxiety)"People will judge me"The truth: The stakes are incredibly low. You can't really screw this up.Plus: The story of Ted S. filling the entire percolator basket with coffee grounds because he'd never made coffee before (that's one STRONG cup), why the phone weighs 500 pounds but picking someone up for a meeting is huge service work, and Matt's realization that he never volunteered for coffee at the Monday meeting because he doesn't drink coffee there (problem solved - he's volunteering now). If you're new to recovery and wondering if you should take a service comm Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

    30 min

  8. JAN 27

    E262: Do You Miss Drinking or Do You Miss the Relief?

    Send us Fan Mail "I love to do things that will give me temporary comfort, that will make me very uncomfortable somewhere down the road." A woman with 30+ years of sobriety shared this in Steve's Wednesday meeting, and it hit hard. Because that's exactly what drinking was - temporary relief that created long-term pain. But here's the real question: when you quit drinking, what are you actually missing? In this episode, Matt and Steve dig into what happens when you remove alcohol but don't replace it with anything. Matt shares his painful 10-month white-knuckle attempt at sobriety back in 2001 - going to parties, feeling like hell, not drinking but not actually changing anything. It led exactly where you'd expect: relapse. They explore the ritual of drinking - not just the buzz, but the physical act of holding a drink in a social setting, being part of the club, that first moment of "ahh, I got my drink" before things went sideways. And why ordering a tonic water with lime to "look like you're drinking" feels so uncomfortable and wrong. Steve opens up about the difference between his first attempt at sobriety (physically beaten down) and his second (morally, spiritually, emotionally spent). How he realized he couldn't just replace alcohol with running 10 miles or hitting the gym seven days a week. He needed something internal to change - which is where the 12 steps came in. We talk about: Why white-knuckling doesn't work (and what actually does)The ritual you lose when you stop drinking - and what replaces itSteps 4 & 5 as the real game-changers (not just Steps 1-3)Transferable addictions: when is the gym healthy and when does it become destructive?That uncomfortable feeling of being the only one not drinking (and when it finally goes away)The difference between missing alcohol and missing the escape it providedPlus: Why Steve now happily orders his wife a glass of wine without needing to order himself anything, Matt's take on why mocktails feel like "perverted versions of alcohol," and the relief that comes from replacing the bar ritual with the breakfast ritual. If you've ever tried to quit drinking on your own and couldn't make it stick, or if you're wondering what the hell you're supposed to DO when you're not drinking anymore, this episode is for you. Support the show 📫 Get more honest conversations about sobriety delivered to your inbox! Subscribe to The Sober Friends Dispatch, our weekly newsletter where we go beyond the podcast to share real strategies for alcohol-free living. Join our community by clicking here.

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The Sober Friends Podcast: Two Guys Talking Recovery Matt and Steve have been sober for over a decade each. They still don't have it all figured out. This is a podcast about recovery - AA recovery specifically - but it's not your sponsor's recovery podcast. It's two friends talking through the stuff that actually matters: What do you DO when you're not drinking? How do you handle control issues 15 years in? Why does calling someone in recovery feel so goddamn hard? What happens when you remove alcohol but don't replace it with anything? And seriously, do you miss drinking or do you just miss the relief? Every week Matt and Steve work through these questions together - sometimes they have answers, sometimes they're figuring it out in real time, and sometimes they just need to talk it out like you do with a friend who gets it. If you're in recovery, thinking about recovery, or just trying to figure out how to live without alcohol as your coping mechanism - welcome. Grab some coffee. Let's talk. Topics: Alcoholics Anonymous, 12-step recovery, sobriety, addiction, relapse, service work, early recovery, staying sober, and everything in between. Matt and Steve work AA programs but speak only for themselves. This show isn't affiliated with Alcoholics Anonymous. New episodes weekly at soberfriendspod.com

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  • Creator
    Matt J
  • Years Active
    2019 - 2026
  • Episodes
    456
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Sober Friends
  • Show Website
    Sober Friends

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