Sacred Changemakers

Jayne Warrilow

Thanks for checking out the Sacred Changemakers podcast, my name is Jayne Warrilow and I am passionate about human potential. This podcast has one purpose to truly take a stand for change and transformation, but not just any old change, we believe in positive change with the potential to make a real difference in our world. We’re talking personal, professional and social impact. So come with us on a journey, as we go behind the scenes with people who are making a real difference in our world. Each episode we will be diving deeply into topics that keep you inspired and at your best, sometimes we’ll be interviewing thought leaders, sharing tools and resources, and sometimes we’ll be leading deep-dive conversations tackling the challenging issues of our times. We’re committed to bringing you the best insights and strategies, so you can move into action in ways that matter. Together, we can make the world a better place. I hope you join us

  1. 3d ago

    214. How To Develop Yourself For A World Beyond Coaching with David Drake

    What if the future of coaching depends less on learning new techniques and more on developing the human being behind them? In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Dr. David Drake, a coaching pioneer with more than 30 years of experience shaping the fields of coaching, human development, and leadership. David is the founder of The Moment Institute, an EMCC Master Practitioner, a Thought Leader with the Institute of Coaching, and the creator of Narrative Coaching, Narrative Release, Integrative Development, and The Five Maturities. He has also authored more than 80 publications, including his latest book, The Five Maturities: Developing Yourself for a World Beyond Coaching. Together, we explore what a “world beyond coaching” really means, why the profession may need to move beyond its industrial mindset, and the difference between becoming more competent and becoming more mature. We also talk about presence, the limits of tools and frameworks, the role of AI in coaching, and what becomes more important about the human practitioner as technology evolves. This is a rich and provocative conversation for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense that the next chapter of their work will require more than another model or certification. It may require deeper self-development. Key Takeaways What David means by a “world beyond coaching”Why coaching needs to move beyond the industrial mindsetThe difference between competence and maturityWhat AI changes about the future role of the coachWhat coaches need to develop in themselves for the future ahead Learn More About Today’s Guest David’s website ****→ www.themomentinstitute.comDavid on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidbdrake/ About the Host Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

    214. How To Develop Yourself For A World Beyond Coaching with David Drake
  2. Sep 7

    213. The Resilience to Let Go: Finding Strength, Presence and Purpose Under Pressure with Jay Abbasi

    What if resilience isn’t about holding on more tightly, but learning what to release? In the first episode of the fall season of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Jay Abbasi, global keynote and TEDx speaker, coach, former Tesla leader, and founder of The Conscious Professional. Jay’s work challenges many of the assumptions we hold about stress and resilience. Rather than seeing stress simply as something to reduce or escape, he invites us to understand it as information, a signal that can help us respond to life with greater clarity, awareness, and choice. Together, we explore what people often get wrong about resilience, how Jay’s own experience of sudden loss reshaped his relationship with uncertainty, and why letting go of our attachment to outcomes can become a powerful form of inner strength. We also talk about the difference between useful pressure and unsustainable stress, the role of mindfulness in building resilience, and why joy should not be something we postpone until we finally arrive at some future version of success. This is a grounded and practical conversation for anyone navigating pressure, change, or uncertainty and especially for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who want to meet demanding times without losing themselves or the present moment along the way. Key Takeaways Why resilience is not the same as pushing through or becoming tougherHow stress can become useful information rather than simply something to eliminateWhat it means to let go of control without giving up on what mattersWhy joy, presence, and purpose can strengthen our capacity to lead through uncertainty Learn More About Today’s Guest Jay’s website ****→ https://jayabbasi.me/Jay on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayabbasi/Jay on YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/@jayabbasipodcast About Jay Abbasi Jay Abbasi is a global keynote speaker, TEDx speaker, coach, and former Tesla leader who helps professionals thrive under pressure without burning out. At Tesla, he led national training programs for more than 1,000 employees and has since coached leaders at Google, Amazon, TikTok, Wells Fargo, and many more. Blending corporate experience with expertise in mindfulness, resilience, and wellbeing, Jay helps people build the inner capacity to navigate challenge with greater clarity, energy, and purpose. About the Host Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

    213. The Resilience to Let Go: Finding Strength, Presence and Purpose Under Pressure with Jay Abbasi
  3. Jul 20

    212. Leading Change Without Losing Yourself: The Inner Work of Sustainable Activism with Genevieve Nathwani

    Leading Change Without Losing Yourself: The Inner Work of Sustainable Activism with Genevieve Nathwani What if the way we create change matters as much as the change itself? In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Genevieve Nathwani, a coach who supports people taking on some of the world’s toughest challenges across climate, human rights, finance, technology, and social change. Her clients include award-winning filmmakers, funders, charity leaders, and technologists who have raised millions, mobilized movements, and helped shape national laws and policies. Together, we explore why inner work is not separate from outer impact, but central to it. Genevieve shares what she has learned from working closely with changemakers who carry enormous responsibility, and why even the most capable people can experience doubt, overwhelm, isolation, and exhaustion. We also talk about the hidden cost of trying to create change while neglecting ourselves, the risk of recreating the very systems we want to change, and what it means to build a more sustainable relationship with purpose. This is a rich and hopeful conversation about staying open-hearted in difficult times, finding ways to lead without becoming depleted, and remembering that meaningful change is not only about what we achieve, but about who we become and how we work along the way. Key Takeaways Why inner work directly shapes the quality of our outer impactThe hidden emotional and personal costs of changemakingHow to recognize when purpose has become pressure or self-sacrificeWhy struggling does not mean you are failingHow hope, community, and self-awareness sustain long-term change Learn More About Today’s Guest Genevieve’s website ****→ https://www.genevievenathwani.com/Genevieve on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/genevieve-nathwani-72148446/Book mentioned in the episode → How Not To Save The World by Anthea Lawson: https://amzn.to/456DaxD About Genevieve Nathwani Genevieve Nathwani coaches people taking on the world’s toughest problems to lead with greater impact and well-being. Her clients are shaping a better future across climate, human rights, finance, and technology. Her multidisciplinary approach draws on coaching, people practice, creative strategy, venture experience, and her own commitment to building a meaningful, values-aligned life. About the Host Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

    212. Leading Change Without Losing Yourself: The Inner Work of Sustainable Activism with Genevieve Nathwani
  4. Jul 13

    211. The Red Thread Of Change: Making Change Make Sense with Tamsen Webster

    What if the reason your best ideas aren’t landing isn’t that they lack value, but because people can’t yet see the thread that connects them? In this energizing episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Tamsen Webster, researcher, author, and professional sensegiver. For more than 25 years, Tamsen has helped leaders and organizations turn new concepts into clear, principled cases for change that people can actually understand, follow, and support. Tamsen is the creator of the Red Thread methodology, the 9 Principles of Lasting Change, and the author of Find Your Red Thread and Say What They Can’t Unhear. She is also a doctoral researcher at Teachers College, Columbia University, where she explores how to make meaningful perspective shifts both more likely and more ethical. Together, we explore why good ideas often fail to land, even when the logic is sound, and what it really takes to create the kind of “aha” moments that lead to lasting change. Tamsen shares the difference between convincing someone and creating conviction, and why the most powerful messages are often built from principles people already hold, but haven’t yet connected. This is such a valuable conversation for coaches, consultants, and purpose-led practitioners who are carrying ideas that matter, but who want to communicate them in ways that feel clear, ethical, and deeply human. It’s not about persuasion as pressure. It’s about helping people see something in a new way, so they can walk toward change willingly. Key Takeaways Why good ideas often fail to land, even when they make perfect sense.How “aha moments” can be designed, not just hoped for.The difference between convincing people and creating real conviction.Why lasting change begins with principles people already believe.How coaches and changemakers can communicate ideas in a more ethical, resonant, and effective way. About Tamsen Webster Tamsen Webster is a researcher, author, and professional sensegiver who helps leaders and organizations make new ideas click. For over 25 years, she has supported people in turning novel concepts into clear, principled cases for change that others can understand and support. Her work led to the Red Thread methodology, the 9 Principles of Lasting Change, and two books: Find Your Red Thread and Say What They Can’t Unhear. As a doctoral researcher at Teachers College, Columbia University, Tamsen studies how to make meaningful perspective shifts both more likely and more ethical. Learn More About Today’s Guest Message Design Institute website ****→ https://tamsenwebster.com/Book: The Red Thread by Tamsen Webster → https://amzn.to/3TcWRRzBook: Say What They Can’t Unhear by Tamsen Webster → https://amzn.to/4eEj57wTamsen on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamsenwebster/ About the Host Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

    211. The Red Thread Of Change: Making Change Make Sense with Tamsen Webster
  5. Jul 6

    210. Leading in Chaos: Healing, Awakening, and the Next Evolution of Leadership with Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni

    What if the leadership needed for these chaotic times is not simply about better strategy, but about healing what has been left unattended in ourselves, our organizations, and our world? In this profound episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni, co-authors of the new book Leading in Chaos. Together, they bring decades of experience working with CEOs, senior teams, Fortune 500 companies, and global organizations at the intersection of leadership, culture change, human development, and consciousness. This was not a conventional conversation about leadership. From the beginning, we entered a relational field that felt alive, thoughtful, and deeply emergent. Amy and Nicholas do not simply speak about presence, healing, awakening, and coherence. They embody it. And that embodiment shaped the whole conversation. Together, we explored what it means to lead in dark and chaotic times, why trauma-informed leadership matters, and how the inner life of a leader is no longer separate from the work of culture change. We also spoke about “next practice,” spiritual intelligence, AI and the human future of work, and the shift from individualistic consciousness toward a lived realization of interconnection. This episode is especially valuable for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense that real change cannot be created through tools and frameworks alone. It requires presence, relational maturity, and the courage to turn toward what has been avoided, in ourselves and in the systems we serve. Key Takeaways Why chaos is revealing the limits of the old leadership operating system.How healing and awakening have become essential leadership capacities.Why trauma-informed leadership matters inside organizational life.What “next practice” asks of leaders, coaches, and changemakers now.How spiritual intelligence, presence, and relational field awareness can reshape the future of work. Learn More About Today’s Guests Amy Elizabeth Fox is the co-founder and CEO of Mobius Executive Leadership, a global transformational leadership firm working with senior leaders, teams, and organizations around leadership, culture change, vertical development, and trauma-informed practice. Nicholas Janni is an internationally respected leadership teacher, author, and coach who has worked with CEOs and senior teams for more than twenty-five years. His work integrates personal, creative, professional, and spiritual development, and his book Leader as Healer won Business Book of the Year at the 2023 Business Book Awards. Together, Amy and Nicholas are the co-authors of Leading in Chaos. Learn More About Today’s Guests Book: Leading in Chaos → www.leadinginchaosbook.comAmy’s websites ****→ www.mobiusleadership.com | www.amyelizabethfox.comNicholas websites ****→ www.thematrixdevelopment.com | https://www.nicholasjanni.com/Amy on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/amyelizabethfox/Nicholas on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-janni/ About the Host Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

    210. Leading in Chaos: Healing, Awakening, and the Next Evolution of Leadership with Amy Elizabeth Fox and Nicholas Janni
  6. Jun 29

    209 The Trance of Change: Lessons in Rewilding the Human Spirit with Jayne Warrilow

    What if the problem isn’t that we need more change, but that we need to change the way we do change? In this solo episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, Jayne Warrilow explores why so much of our modern approach to change is no longer working. We are surrounded by transformation language, leadership models, coaching frameworks, strategy, technology, and endless information. And yet many people are exhausted, organizations are struggling, communities feel more fragmented, and the deeper changes we long for often don’t seem to hold. This episode is an invitation to look beneath the surface. Jayne reflects on how change itself has become fragmented, with different professions holding different pieces of the puzzle, while very few are looking at the whole. She asks what becomes possible when we stop treating change as something to manage, fix, or force, and begin to understand it as something alive, relational, and deeply connected to the fields we live and work inside. At the heart of this conversation is the word AND. Not as a concept, but as a way back to wholeness. A way of bringing together what our culture has separated: the individual and the collective, strategy and soul, science and wisdom, the visible and invisible dimensions of change. Jayne shares why resonance has become the center of her work, not as another method, but as a deeper way of seeing. Through frequency, fields, and flow, she offers a more human and life-giving way to understand why some change sticks, why some falls apart, and what it might mean to create change in service of the whole. This is a reflective and thought-provoking episode for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who can feel that the old ways of doing change are no longer enough for the times we’re living in. Key Takeaways Why is our culture obsessed with change, yet so much of it still doesn’t seem to work?How fragmented approaches to coaching, leadership, business, and transformation may be limiting the more expansive changes we need.Why individual change matters, but can’t be separated from the relational, cultural, and systemic fields we live inside.How resonance, frequency, fields, and flow can help us see what is happening beneath the surface of any change process.Why the future of change may depend on our capacity to weave the fragments back into a more life-giving whole. About Jayne Warrilow: Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community, podcast, and training platform for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who are ready to lead from resonance and contribute to regenerative change. With more than thirty years of experience at the intersection of leadership, consciousness, business, and human change, Jayne’s work bridges ancient wisdom and modern change practice. She is the creator of the Resonance Codes and the developer of the 8 Dimensions of Change. Her newest book, Resonance: The Soul of Change, offers a field guide for sacred changemakers ready to move from fragmented transformation into deeper coherence, wholeness, and regenerative impact. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com Episode Resources: Her latest book: Resonance: The Soul of Change, will be published in July 2026.Books: Becoming: Poems From The Thresholds Of Change and Beyond Profit: The Sacred Changemaker’s Guide To Reimagining Business and Leading Regenerative Change by Jayne Warrilow are available on AmazonSacredChangemakers.comJayne Warrilow on LinkedIn Thank you to our sponsor: A huge thank you to our Resonance Collective members, podcast sponsors, and extended Sacred Changemakers community, all of whom are visible on our website and helping us make a global impact aligned with the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

    209 The Trance of Change: Lessons in Rewilding the Human Spirit with Jayne Warrilow
  7. Jun 22

    208. Illuminating What Matters: Leadership, Relationship, and the Courage to Heal with Sarah Carlsen

    What if the future of leadership isn’t about performing certainty, but learning how to respond with deeper awareness, courage, and connection? In this rich and deeply thoughtful episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Sarah Carlsen, an executive and systems coach who helps leaders and leadership teams navigate complexity, transition, and growth with greater intention. Before becoming a coach, Sarah led complex change initiatives inside global law firms, where she saw firsthand that the technical side of change is often the easier part. The deeper challenge is human. It lives in how we relate, how we communicate, how we stay present under pressure, and how willing we are to see ourselves clearly. Sarah’s work brings together whole-person development, relational skills, systems thinking, and the Enneagram, all in service of helping leaders and teams respond to change from a place of groundedness rather than reactivity. What makes this conversation so powerful is that Sarah doesn’t just speak about this work. She embodies it. Her wisdom feels lived, integrated, and deeply human. Together, we explore why leadership today must evolve beyond role, authority, and performance into a more conscious practice of responsibility. We also talk about the courage it takes to stay in hard conversations, how teams can strengthen trust in times of complexity, and what becomes possible when we begin to partner more consciously with what is trying to emerge. This is an enlightening conversation for coaches, leaders, and changemakers who sense that the next era of leadership will not be built through strategy alone, but will require presence, self-awareness, relational courage, and the capacity to see the systems we are part of with fresh eyes. Key Takeaways Why the technical side of change is often easier than the human side.How leadership can evolve from performance and certainty into conscious responsibility.Why meaningful change must happen across three levels: self, relationship, and system.How leaders can move from reactivity into grounded, intentional response.Why relational courage matters when teams are navigating complexity, tension, and transition.What becomes possible when we begin to trust the wisdom within us, between us, and among us. Learn More About Today’s Guest Sarah’s website ****→ https://carlsencc.comSarah on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-carlsen-pcc/ORSC Coach Training → https://crrglobal.com/ About the Host Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

    208. Illuminating What Matters: Leadership, Relationship, and the Courage to Heal with Sarah Carlsen
  8. Jun 15

    207. Leading With Resilience In Mind: Partnering With Living Systems with Dr. Kathleen Allen

    207. Leading With Resilience In Mind: Partnering With Living Systems with Dr. Kathleen Allen What if the future of leadership isn’t about controlling change, but learning from the way life already knows how to adapt, renew, and regenerate? In this episode of the Sacred Changemakers Podcast, I’m joined by Dr. Kathleen Allen, a trusted coach and advisor to global teams, and the author of Leading from the Roots: Nature-Inspired Leadership Lessons for Today’s World and Following Nature’s Lead. Kathleen has spent much of her career working at the intersection of leadership, innovation, systems change, and regenerative organizational design. Her work helps purpose-driven leaders and organizations move beyond mechanical, industrial-age thinking and begin designing workplaces where both people and the organization can thrive. Together, we explore what happens when we stop treating organizations like machines and begin understanding them as living systems. Kathleen shares why nature is such a powerful teacher for leadership today, what regenerative organizations are learning in practice, and how principles such as diversity, interdependence, emergence, adaptation, and resilience can reshape the way we lead and create change. This is a rich and inspiring conversation for coaches, consultants, leaders, and changemakers who care about regenerative leadership, organizational transformation, sustainability, systems change, and the future of work. In This Episode, We Explore: Why nature offers powerful lessons for regenerative leadership.How organizations change when we see them as living systems.What leaders can learn from diversity, emergence, interdependence, and adaptation.Why sustainability may not be enough, and what regeneration asks of us.What organizations are learning after years of working toward regenerative practice.How coaches and changemakers can bring living systems wisdom into their own work. Learn More About Today’s Guest Kathleen’s website ****→ www.kathleenallen.netBook: Leading From The Roots by Kathleen Allen → https://amzn.to/4fgbdKjKathleen on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/kathy-allen-b5293110/ About the Host Jayne Warrilow is the founder of Sacred Changemakers, a global community and learning space exploring the intersection of human resonance, regenerative change, and conscious leadership. Learn more at sacredchangemakers.com

    207. Leading With Resilience In Mind: Partnering With Living Systems with Dr. Kathleen Allen
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Thanks for checking out the Sacred Changemakers podcast, my name is Jayne Warrilow and I am passionate about human potential. This podcast has one purpose to truly take a stand for change and transformation, but not just any old change, we believe in positive change with the potential to make a real difference in our world. We’re talking personal, professional and social impact. So come with us on a journey, as we go behind the scenes with people who are making a real difference in our world. Each episode we will be diving deeply into topics that keep you inspired and at your best, sometimes we’ll be interviewing thought leaders, sharing tools and resources, and sometimes we’ll be leading deep-dive conversations tackling the challenging issues of our times. We’re committed to bringing you the best insights and strategies, so you can move into action in ways that matter. Together, we can make the world a better place. I hope you join us

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