Make Time for Success with Dr. Christine Li

Dr. Christine Li
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Make Time for Success is a podcast designed for busy people who are ready to improve not just their productivity, but also their self-esteem and self-confidence. If you’re looking for the secrets to making productivity feel light and easy rather than something you want to run from, this is the podcast for you. In each episode, psychologist and Procrastination Coach Dr. Christine Li shares effective tips and strategies to help you start building your most joyful, creative, and abundant life. Episodes will include interviews with guest experts who have made the breakthrough to living life fully, as well as stories and reflections from Dr. Li’s own life and work. You’ll hear lessons from Dr. Li’s book, “5-Minute Self-Discipline Habits: Stay Motivated, Cultivate Good Habits, and Achieve Your Goals” and learn how to use the S.M.A.C.K. Solution, a mixture of mindfulness and anxiety-reducing strategies, to keep your fears quiet and your goals in sharp focus. You’ll discover that when you remove the mental, emotional, and physical barriers that are blocking you from getting things done, you'll be able to create more time to excel and thrive. When you listen to the Make Time for Success podcast, you'll soon see what it feels like to have your motivation and energy skyrocket! *THE CONTENT IN THIS PODCAST IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE, DIAGNOSIS OR TREATMENT AND DOES NOT CONSTITUTE MEDICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL OR PROFESSIONAL ADVICE. NEVER DISREGARD PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE OR DELAY IN SEEKING IT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE SEEN OR HEARD FROM DR. CHRISTINE LI OR THIS PODCAST.

  1. How to Increase Your Productivity Without Raising Stress Levels

    1D AGO

    How to Increase Your Productivity Without Raising Stress Levels

    Send Dr. Li a text here. Please leave your email address if you would like a reply, thanks. In this episode, Dr. Christine Li shares five powerful strategies for boosting productivity without increasing stress. Drawing on her experience as a psychologist and procrastination coach, Dr. Li guides listeners through mindset shifts and actionable tips to help break free from resistance, balance process with progress, and transform self-doubt into confidence. The episode is packed with practical advice for anyone looking to accomplish more while feeling less overwhelmed, all delivered with Dr. Li’s signature warmth and encouragement. Timestamps 00:00:00: Dr. Christine Li welcomes listeners, introduces the episode’s main topic, and sets the tone for stress-free productivity.00:01:18: She begins sharing her thoughts on how to increase productivity without raising stress levels.00:03:13: Strategy 1: Learn to resist your resistance by writing down your goals, your sources of resistance, and your next action steps.00:06:29: Strategy 2: Shift your mindset to see time as an ally, not a constraint. Focus on how you use your time productively.00:07:49: Strategy 3: Balance your process with progress. Avoid overthinking and take action to move work forward.00:10:49: Strategy 4: Productivity can heal self-doubt by providing evidence of your capabilities and growth.00:12:37: Strategy 5: Fall in love with yourself; let go of negative self-talk, and affirm that you are "good enough."00:15:33: Dr. Christine Li offers a free productivity download and wraps up the episode with encouragement and links for listeners.To get the free download that accompanies this episode, go to: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/rocket To sign up for the Waitlist for the Simply Productive Program, go to https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP For more information on the Make Time for Success podcast, visit: https://www.maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com Gain Access to Dr. Christine Li’s Free Resource Library -- 12 downloadable tools and templates to help you bypass the impulse to procrastinate: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/freelibrary To work with Dr. Li on a weekly basis in her coaching and accountability program, register for The Success Lab here: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com/lab Connect with Dr. Christine Li Website: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/procrastinationcoach Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/procrastinationcoach/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@procrastinationcoach The Success Lab: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lab Simply Productive: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP

    17 min
  2. Calm the Nervous System: Mindset Hacks for When Life Feels Like Too Much

    FEB 26

    Calm the Nervous System: Mindset Hacks for When Life Feels Like Too Much

    Send Dr. Li a text here. Please leave your email address if you would like a reply, thanks. In this episode, Dr. Christine Li shares four mindset hacks designed to help you create and maintain a sense of calm, especially when life feels overwhelming. Drawing inspiration from real-life questions and examples, Dr. Christine Li walks listeners through practical strategies for shifting out of patterns of panic, anxiety, and stress. She discusses the importance of changing the stories we tell ourselves, learning to accept circumstances as they are, trusting that we can get through challenges, and using our mindset to guide ourselves to success. The episode includes relatable stories and a motivational example from figure skater Alyssa Liu to illustrate how these mindset shifts can lead to more confidence, joy, and productivity in everyday life. Timestamps 00:00:00: Introduction to calm mindset hacks00:00:57: Dr. Christine Li’s background and purpose of the podcast00:01:40: TikTok inspiration; addressing panic00:02:42: Mindset Hack #1: Change your story to reduce panic00:06:59: Mindset Hack #2: Practice acceptance00:11:20: Mindset Hack #3: Trust you’ll overcome challenges00:12:29: Mindset Hack #4: Use your mind to move past fear00:14:30: Alyssa Liu’s comeback story as an example00:17:50: Episode wrap-up and worksheet invitationTo get the free download that accompanies this episode, go to: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/calm To sign up for the Waitlist for the Simply Productive Program, go to https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP For more information on the Make Time for Success podcast, visit: https://www.maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com Gain Access to Dr. Christine Li’s Free Resource Library -- 12 downloadable tools and templates to help you bypass the impulse to procrastinate: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/freelibrary To work with Dr. Li on a weekly basis in her coaching and accountability program, register for The Success Lab here: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com/lab Connect with Dr. Christine Li Website: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/procrastinationcoach Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/procrastinationcoach/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@procrastinationcoach The Success Lab: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lab Simply Productive: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP

    20 min
  3. 7 Proven Strategies to Beat Procrastination and Reclaim Your Time

    FEB 19

    7 Proven Strategies to Beat Procrastination and Reclaim Your Time

    Send Dr. Li a text here. Please leave your email address if you would like a reply, thanks. In this episode of Make Time for Success, host Dr. Christine Li shares 7 powerful strategies to help you break free from procrastination and reclaim your time. Inspired by Procrastination Week and the transition to the Lunar New Year, the episode is all about letting go of old habits that hold you back and stepping boldly into a more productive, meaningful life. You'll learn practical tips like how to confidently say no, build buffer time into your schedule, manage your nervous system, ask for help, track your time mindfully, and focus on work that truly matters to you. Dr. Christine Li offers a gentle, supportive approach designed to help you feel more empowered, less overwhelmed, and excited to make the most of your time. Timestamps 00:00:00: Introduction and overview of episode (host Dr. Christine Li)00:01:13: Dr. Christine Li introduces herself as a psychologist and procrastination coach00:01:56: Announcement of the 7 strategies to rescue time from procrastination00:03:25: Strategy 1: Get good at saying no00:04:36: Strategy 2: Avoid filling all blank spaces in your calendar00:05:38: Strategy 3: Prioritize your nervous system00:07:33: Strategy 4: Choose calm over panic—look for alternative approaches00:08:52: Strategy 5: Ask for help wherever possible00:10:16: Strategy 6: Track your time usage—includes mention of free download00:12:11: Strategy 7: Do meaningful work that aligns with your values00:13:11: Encouragement to use the strategies and reach out via Instagram00:13:43: Outro and ways to connect/follow the showTo get the free download that accompanies this episode, go to: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/time To sign up for the Waitlist for the Simply Productive Program, go to https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP For more information on the Make Time for Success podcast, visit: https://www.maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com Gain Access to Dr. Christine Li’s Free Resource Library -- 12 downloadable tools and templates to help you bypass the impulse to procrastinate: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/freelibrary To work with Dr. Li on a weekly basis in her coaching and accountability program, register for The Success Lab here: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com/lab Connect with Dr. Christine Li Website: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/procrastinationcoach Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/procrastinationcoach/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@procrastinationcoach The Success Lab: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lab Simply Productive: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP

    15 min
  4. 10 Powerful Strategies to Overcome Overwhelm in Stressful Times

    FEB 12

    10 Powerful Strategies to Overcome Overwhelm in Stressful Times

    Send Dr. Li a text here. Please leave your email address if you would like a reply, thanks. Feeling overwhelmed by everything on your plate? In this episode, Dr. Christine Li shares 10 (plus a bonus!) effective strategies to help you break free from overwhelm and regain your sense of calm and control. Drawing from her experience as a procrastination coach and her work with Success Lab members, Dr. Christine Li walks you through practical tips—including understanding what overwhelm really is, taking action in small steps, practicing self-compassion, leveraging meditation and tapping, connecting with supportive groups, and even bringing more fun into your routine! Whether you're juggling too many responsibilities or just feeling stuck, you'll find actionable ideas to help you reset and move forward with confidence. Timestamps 00:00:00 – 00:01:12: Dr. Christine Li introduces the episode and shares personal feelings of overwhelm. 00:01:32 – 00:02:13: Dr. Christine Li introduces herself and her approach. 00:02:14 – 00:03:25: Explains why the topic was chosen; introduces first tip about understanding overwhelm. 00:03:25 – 00:04:47: Focus on what you can control. 00:04:48 – 00:06:57: Calling back your energy and maintaining boundaries. 00:06:57 – 00:08:32: Take action with small steps. 00:08:32 – 00:09:23: Make a clear plan. 00:09:24 – 00:10:12: Practice grace and self-compassion. 00:10:13 – 00:12:30: Use tapping and meditation for stress relief. 00:13:37 – 00:14:19: Celebrate small actions and progress. 00:14:19 – 00:16:57: Shorten the gap between decision and action. 00:16:57 – 00:19:13: Overwhelm is a signal, not a solution; connect with supportive groups. 00:19:14 – 00:19:48: Bonus tip: bring more fun into your process. 00:19:49 – end: Recap, encouragement, and how to get the free download. To get the free download that accompanies this episode, go to: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/winning To sign up for the Waitlist for the Simply Productive Program, go to https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP For more information on the Make Time for Success podcast, visit: https://www.maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com Gain Access to Dr. Christine Li’s Free Resource Library -- 12 downloadable tools and templates to help you bypass the impulse to procrastinate: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/freelibrary To work with Dr. Li on a weekly basis in her coaching and accountability program, register for The Success Lab here: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com/lab Connect with Dr. Christine Li Website: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/procrastinationcoach Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/procrastinationcoach/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@procrastinationcoach The Success Lab: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lab Simply Productive: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP

    22 min
  5. How to Set Healthy Boundaries Without Guilt: Insights from Allison Ly

    FEB 5

    How to Set Healthy Boundaries Without Guilt: Insights from Allison Ly

    Send Dr. Li a text here. Please leave your email address if you would like a reply, thanks. In this episode, Dr. Christine Li talks with mental health therapist and coach Allison Ly about how to set healthy boundaries—especially for adults with immigrant parents. Drawing from personal and professional experience, Allison Ly explains why boundary-setting is often challenging in immigrant families. The episode features practical advice for tuning into your own needs, navigating family pushback, and handling guilt, highlighting that boundary-setting is a gradual process that strengthens relationships rather than weakens them. By sharing strategies and resources—including her "Say No" cheat sheet—Allison Ly offers listeners a pathway to healthier, more peaceful family dynamics. Timestamps 00:00:00 – 00:02:44: Dr. Christine Li introduces the episode, guest, and upcoming event.00:02:49 – 00:04:14: Formal welcome and start of discussion on boundaries.00:04:15 – 00:08:34: Allison Ly on boundary challenges in immigrant families.00:08:44 – 00:12:49: Examples and personal experiences with boundaries.00:12:50 – 00:16:22: Handling pushback and emotional awareness.00:16:59 – 00:29:08: Gradual boundary change and effects on relationships.To get the free download that accompanies this episode, go to: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/sayno Join Allison's live workshop on February 26th at 11 am PST Adults with Immigrant Parents: The Key to Stop People Pleasing and Spiraling in Guilt: https://heyallisonly.com/secret To sign up for the Waitlist for the Simply Productive Program, go to https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP For more information on the Make Time for Success podcast, visit: https://www.maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com Gain Access to Dr. Christine Li’s Free Resource Library -- 12 downloadable tools and templates to help you bypass the impulse to procrastinate: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/freelibrary To work with Dr. Li on a weekly basis in her coaching and accountability program, register for The Success Lab here: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com/lab Connect with Us! Dr. Christine Li Website: https://www.procrastinationcoach.comFacebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/procrastinationcoachInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/procrastinationcoach/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@procrastinationcoachThe Success Lab: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lab                       Simply Productive: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SPAllison Ly Website: https://www.heyallisonly.comPodcast: https://www.heyallisonly.com/podcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/heyallisonlyYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@heyallisonly

    30 min
  6. How to Let Go: Why It’s So Hard and How to Finally Move Forward with Confidence

    JAN 29

    How to Let Go: Why It’s So Hard and How to Finally Move Forward with Confidence

    Send Dr. Li a text here. Please leave your email address if you would like a reply, thanks. In this solo episode of Make Time for Success, Dr. Christine Li explores why letting go—of clutter, old habits, or inherited identities—can be so challenging, and how mastering this skill can lead to greater confidence and personal growth. She discusses the emotional and psychological reasons behind our attachments, the impact of childhood experiences, and shares actionable strategies for making positive changes. Whether you’re struggling with physical clutter or emotional baggage, this episode offers practical encouragement and tips to help you clear space for abundance and new opportunities. For extra support, grab the free resource at maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lettinggo. Timestamps: 00:00:00 – 00:01:09: Dr. Christine Li introduces the episode on the challenges of letting go—clutter, mindset, identity—and its importance. 00:01:14 – 00:03:18: Overview of letting go as a skill, with insights on societal attachment and difficulty discarding things. 00:03:18 – 00:05:05: Benefits of letting go: gaining space, confidence, and opportunities for new identities and growth. 00:05:05 – 00:08:13: Reasons letting go is hard, including revisiting old decisions, attachment, and fear of loss—suggests focusing on gains instead. 00:08:14 – 00:12:45: How childhood experiences and family roles shape our adult habits of holding on or letting go. 00:12:46 – 00:16:31: Impact of changing identities and energy—how personal change affects relationships and group dynamics. 00:16:34 – 00:21:41: Practical advice for confident decisions: safety, trusting feelings, finding flow, and self-trust. 00:21:41 – 00:24:53: Episode wrap-up, resource info, and ways to connect. To get the free download that accompanies this episode, go to: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lettinggo To sign up for the Waitlist for the Simply Productive Program, go to https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP For more information on the Make Time for Success podcast, visit: https://www.maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com Gain Access to Dr. Christine Li’s Free Resource Library -- 12 downloadable tools and templates to help you bypass the impulse to procrastinate: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/freelibrary To work with Dr. Li on a weekly basis in her coaching and accountability program, register for The Success Lab here: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com/lab Connect with Dr. Christine Li Website: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/procrastinationcoach Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/procrastinationcoach/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@procrastinationcoach The Success Lab: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lab Simply Productive: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP

    25 min
  7. Why Clutter Makes You Anxious—and How to Break Free

    JAN 22

    Why Clutter Makes You Anxious—and How to Break Free

    Send Dr. Li a text here. Please leave your email address if you would like a reply, thanks. In this episode, Dr. Christine Li unpacks why clutter isn’t just about messy spaces—it actively fuels stress and anxiety. She shares four main emotional triggers clutter creates, including safety fears, guilt about money, sentimental attachments, and pure exhaustion. Dr. Christine Li offers practical tips to help you gently release clutter and reduce stress one step at a time, making your home a sanctuary of calm. She also invites listeners to join her free “Re-Energize Your Home” 5-day decluttering challenge, designed to help you start clearing your space and regaining your focus and energy. This episode is a supportive guide for anyone looking to break free from clutter and reclaim their peace of mind. Timestamps 00:00:00 – 00:00:58: Dr. Christine Li introduces the episode’s focus on clutter and stress. 00:01:03 – 00:01:47: Dr. Christine Li shares her background and the podcast’s purpose. 00:01:47 – 00:04:21: Dr. Christine Li discusses how clutter creates stress zones and is not neutral. 00:04:21 – 00:07:23: Dr. Christine Li explains how clutter types trigger stress, fear, and emotional responses. 00:07:27 – 00:11:47: Dr. Christine Li breaks down money guilt and emotional attachments to clutter. 00:11:51 – 00:14:21: Dr. Christine Li covers the energy drain of clutter and encourages letting go. 00:14:23 – 00:19:08: Dr. Christine Li addresses barriers to decluttering and shares strategies to move forward step by step. 00:17:07 – 00:19:08: Dr. Christine Li motivates listeners to go slowly and intentionally, and promises transformation through decluttering. 00:19:08 – 00:19:37: Dr. Christine Li invites listeners to a free 5-day decluttering challenge. To sign up for the free Re-Energize Your Home 5-day Challenge that begins Monday, January 26th, go to: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/ryhc-january-2026 To sign up for the Waitlist for the Simply Productive Program, go to https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP For more information on the Make Time for Success podcast, visit: https://www.maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com Gain Access to Dr. Christine Li’s Free Resource Library -- 12 downloadable tools and templates to help you bypass the impulse to procrastinate: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/freelibrary To work with Dr. Li on a weekly basis in her coaching and accountability program, register for The Success Lab here: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com/lab Connect with Dr. Christine Li Website: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/procrastinationcoach Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/procrastinationcoach/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@procrastinationcoach The Success Lab: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lab Simply Productive: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP

    20 min
  8. Visualization Secrets: A Proven Process for Manifesting Your Dreams with Megan Blacksmith

    JAN 15

    Visualization Secrets: A Proven Process for Manifesting Your Dreams with Megan Blacksmith

    Send Dr. Li a text here. Please leave your email address if you would like a reply, thanks. In this inspiring episode of the Make Time for Success podcast, host Dr. Christine Li welcomes back Megan Blacksmith, an NLP expert, speaker, and co-founder of Zesty. Together, they dive deep into visualization and neuro linguistic programming (NLP) as powerful tools for breaking old patterns, manifesting dreams, and achieving lasting inner transformation. Megan Blacksmith shares her story of accidental visualization, practical techniques for rewiring your mindset, and guidance on moving through resistance and limiting beliefs. You’ll hear real-world examples and actionable strategies to help you create your ideal future—one that’s possible, even if it feels out of reach today. Get ready to discover the secrets to manifesting your dreams with clarity, creativity, and confidence! Timestamps: 00:00:00 - 00:02:47: Dr. Christine Li introduces the episode and welcomes Megan Blacksmith, who shares her expertise in NLP. 00:02:48 - 00:05:35: Megan Blacksmith discusses her entry into NLP, its impact on her coaching, and how subconscious programming affects results. 00:05:36 - 00:14:06: Exploration of how emotional events and hidden beliefs hold people back, including analogies like clutter. 00:14:06 - 00:18:27: Discussing discomfort as a sign of growth and the challenges of stepping into a new identity. 00:24:33 - 00:32:40: Insights into using visualization for goal achievement, with Megan Blacksmith’s personal story as an example. 00:32:41 - 00:39:00: Detailed visualization tips: make your vision vivid, specific, and emotionally charged. To sign up for the Waitlist for the Simply Productive Program, go to https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SP For more information on the Make Time for Success podcast, visit: https://www.maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com Gain Access to Dr. Christine Li’s Free Resource Library -- 12 downloadable tools and templates to help you bypass the impulse to procrastinate: https://procrastinationcoach.mykajabi.com/freelibrary To work with Dr. Li on a weekly basis in her coaching and accountability program, register for The Success Lab here: https://www.procrastinationcoach.com/lab Connect with Us! Dr. Christine Li Website: https://www.procrastinationcoach.comFacebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/procrastinationcoachInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/procrastinationcoach/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@procrastinationcoachThe Success Lab: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/lab                       Simply Productive: https://maketimeforsuccesspodcast.com/SPMegan Blacksmith Website: http://www.becomingzesty.com/Podcast: http://becomingzesty.com/podcastInstagram: https://instagram.com/becomingzestyYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@becoming_zesty

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Make Time for Success is a podcast designed for busy people who are ready to improve not just their productivity, but also their self-esteem and self-confidence. If you’re looking for the secrets to making productivity feel light and easy rather than something you want to run from, this is the podcast for you. In each episode, psychologist and Procrastination Coach Dr. Christine Li shares effective tips and strategies to help you start building your most joyful, creative, and abundant life. Episodes will include interviews with guest experts who have made the breakthrough to living life fully, as well as stories and reflections from Dr. Li’s own life and work. You’ll hear lessons from Dr. Li’s book, “5-Minute Self-Discipline Habits: Stay Motivated, Cultivate Good Habits, and Achieve Your Goals” and learn how to use the S.M.A.C.K. Solution, a mixture of mindfulness and anxiety-reducing strategies, to keep your fears quiet and your goals in sharp focus. You’ll discover that when you remove the mental, emotional, and physical barriers that are blocking you from getting things done, you'll be able to create more time to excel and thrive. When you listen to the Make Time for Success podcast, you'll soon see what it feels like to have your motivation and energy skyrocket! *THE CONTENT IN THIS PODCAST IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A SUBSTITUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE, DIAGNOSIS OR TREATMENT AND DOES NOT CONSTITUTE MEDICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL OR PROFESSIONAL ADVICE. NEVER DISREGARD PROFESSIONAL MEDICAL ADVICE OR DELAY IN SEEKING IT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE SEEN OR HEARD FROM DR. CHRISTINE LI OR THIS PODCAST.

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