Follow me on Substack: https://substack.com/@jeremymckeown For your capital markets training needs, contact Finance Talking: https://bit.ly/48NLioZ Paul Pindar built Capita from a £330,000 management buyout into a £7.5 billion outsourcing giant, delivering a 480x total shareholder return between its 1989 listing and his departure in 2014. Now Chairman of Literacy Capital plc (LSE: BOOK), the listed private equity investment trust he co-founded with his son Richard, Paul joins Jeremy to share the lessons of a remarkable career in UK plc — and a very different second act. Paul explains how Capita rode the wave of government outsourcing in the 1990s and 2000s, why culture and cheap, disciplined M&A drove 25 consecutive years of record results, and what changed after he left in 2014. He gives a candid assessment of UK corporate governance — 300-page board packs, six-hour board meetings — and why London's shrinking stock market is a "real shame for the UK economy." On Literacy Capital, Paul opens up about the trust's unusual model: permanent capital, no carried interest, no performance fee, and nearly 40% founder ownership — plus £13 million donated to the Bookmark Reading charity, which tackles child literacy. He addresses the elephant in the room head-on: a NAV near all-time highs but a share price discount at its widest ever, the impact of the Budget and employers' NI rises on small UK businesses, and why exits at 10x, 10x and 15x money suggest the portfolio is conservatively valued at 9.2x EBITDA. Whether you invest in investment trusts, private equity, UK small caps, or simply want a masterclass in building businesses, this conversation delivers. In This EpisodeFrom Coopers & Lybrand and 3i to the £330,000 buyout of CIPFA Computer Services — the business that became CapitaListing on the USM in 1989 at an £8m market cap — and winning a £13m contract with £2.6m of turnoverVisionary or lucky? Management, market tailwinds, and the 10 Golden Rules behind a 480x shareholder returnCapita's M&A playbook: high volume, small deals, never overpayWhat went wrong at Capita — and in UK outsourcing — after 2014Why 200-page annual reports and six-hour board meetings destroy value rather than protect itThe origin of Literacy Capital: a husband-and-wife conversation and a mission to teach every child to readBookmark Reading charity: £13m donated, half a million children to be helpedInside the LitCap model: permanent capital, zero carry, and total alignmentFive exits at 10x, 10x, 15x, 5.2x and 2.5x moneyThe discount debate: NAV vs share price, CGT speculation, and the cost of neglecting investor relationsHow the Budget and employers' NI hit small UK businessesWhy good £100m companies can no longer IPO in LondonWorking with family: father and son at the helmAdvice for the new Prime Minister: debt, the triple lock, stamp duty, and CGT GuestPaul Pindar is Chairman and co-founder of Literacy Capital plc (LSE: BOOK), a listed closed-end investment fund backing small UK businesses. He joined Capita as CFO in 1987 — eight months after backing its buyout as an investor at 3i — became Managing Director 18 months later, and led the business until 2014, growing it into one of the UK's largest outsourcing companies with 62,000 employees and a £7.5bn market cap. He co-founded Literacy Capital in 2018 with his son Richard; the fund donates a portion of net assets each year to Bookmark Reading, the child literacy charity founded by his wife, Sharon Pindar. KeywordsPaul Pindar, Literacy Capital, LSE BOOK, Capita, UK outsourcing, private equity, investment trust, listed private equity, closed-end fund, permanent capital, carried interest, NAV discount, UK small caps, management buyout, London Stock Exchange, IPO drought, Bookmark Reading, child literacy, shareholder value, M&A strategy, founder succession, UK stock market, corporate governance, capital gains tax, employers' national insurance This podcast explores stocks, markets, and capital, examines the role of gold in finance, unpacks tax policy and economics, discusses pathways to financial freedom and retirement, explains how interest rates affect investing, features insights from financial advisers, analyzes inflation, recession, and market volatility, covers the actions of central banks, evaluates different assets, addresses inheritance planning, reviews portfolio construction with bonds and an isa, assesses long-term returns and allocation strategies, explores macro trends, and helps listeners understand risk and pensions.
