Unreal Results for Physical Therapists and Athletic Trainers

Anna Hartman
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The Unreal Results podcast helps physical therapists and certified athletic trainers feel confident and get better outcomes for their clients by teaching about the influence of the viscera organs and the nervous system on human movement, pain, and injury. Explore how a visceral and neural-based lens of view can provide a new perspective to performance-based physical therapy, athletic training, and sports medicine.

  1. The Visceral Connection to Musculoskeletal Pain

    6D AGO

    The Visceral Connection to Musculoskeletal Pain

    In this episode of the Unreal Results podcast, I unpack the relationship between the viscera, the nervous system, and the musculoskeletal system and why understanding this connection can completely change your clinical outcomes. I walk you through the physiology behind visceral referred pain, how the spine and organs influence each other, and how to start integrating this into your assessment and treatment approach without overcomplicating your process. In This Episode, You’ll Hear: How visceral organs create referred pain through shared neural pathwaysThe difference between visceral referral and viscerosomatic reflexesWhy common pain presentations (low back, shoulder, pelvic) may not be musculoskeletal in originHow to use spinal levels and anatomy to guide more effective treatmentThis episode is about expanding your lens so you’re not just treating symptoms, but understanding what’s driving them. Resources & Links Mentioned In This Episode: Get my Visceral Referrals Cheat Sheet HERE Ep. 125: You're Already Treating The Viscera... You Just Don't Know It Book I Mentioned - From Manual Evaluation to General Diagnosis: Assessing Patient Information before Hands-On Treatment by Alain Croibier* Learn the LTAP® In-Person in one of my upcoming courses *This link is an Amazon affiliate link, meaning I earn a commission from any qualifying purchases that you make ================================================= Watch the podcast on YouTube and subscribe! Join the MovementREV email list to stay up to date on the Unreal Results Podcast and MovementREV education. Be social and follow me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube

    45 min
  2. When Your Clinical Exam Comes Up Empty

    APR 16

    When Your Clinical Exam Comes Up Empty

    Have you ever finished an exam on a client and had no way to recreate their symptoms? In this episode of the Unreal Results podcast, I walk you through a real clinical case that challenged the traditional biomechanical lens.  On paper, this athlete had a clear diagnosis and had already done all the “right” things (mobility work, strengthening, injections) yet the issue kept coming back. I walk you through my full assessment process, from orthopedic test, the LTAP®, and general listening, and why the body ultimately led me somewhere completely unexpected. In This Episode, You’ll Hear: Why a “normal” biomechanical exam doesn’t always mean nothing is wrongHow to think beyond local tissue when symptoms don’t match the presentationWhat central nervous system protection patterns can look like clinicallyHow sequencing your treatment changes outcomesIf you had this client and didn’t have other assessments such as the LTAP®, I’d love for you to send me a message letting me know what you would have done! Resources & Links Mentioned In This Episode: Join the Online Spring LTAP® Level 1 2026 cohort Ep. 149: Rethinking the Popliteus in Knee Rehab Ep. 150: A Clinical Case Study in Sacral Pain & Index of Suspicion Learn the LTAP® In-Person in one of my upcoming courses ================================================= Watch the podcast on YouTube and subscribe! Join the MovementREV email list to stay up to date on the Unreal Results Podcast and MovementREV education. Be social and follow me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube

    40 min
  3. Practical Ways To Support The Viscera & Nervous System

    APR 9

    Practical Ways To Support The Viscera & Nervous System

    In this episode of the Unreal Results podcast, I zoom out and explore how movement, manual therapy, physiology, nutrition, and daily inputs all influence visceral health and nervous system function. I break down the concept of container vs. contents, why movement is never “just mechanical,” and how frequency of inputs often matters more than intensity. In This Episode, You’ll Hear: The “container vs. contents” framework for understanding treatmentWhy movement is one of the most powerful (and overlooked) visceral toolsHow small, frequent inputs reshape nervous system resilienceHow assessment guides precision without overcomplicating careThis is a simple, practical way to start integrating a more whole organism approach into your daily work and treatments. Resources & Links Mentioned In This Episode: Ep. 12: Rest Posture vs. Stretching vs. Mobility Ep. 40: Healing and Wellness: Remade Ep. 91: Diaphragm Details That Unlock Thoracic Mobility Ep. 122: Spinal Mobility Is The Most Underrated Tool In Your Practice Ep. 125: You're Already Treating The Viscera... You Just Don't Know It Blog Post: Rest Postures Exercise Video: Scalp Massage Learn the LTAP® In-Person in one of my upcoming courses ================================================= Watch the podcast on YouTube and subscribe! Join the MovementREV email list to stay up to date on the Unreal Results Podcast and MovementREV education. Be social and follow me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube

    20 min

  4. APR 2 ·  BONUS

    Delivering Results That Stand Out- Interview with LTAP® Level 1 Alumnus, Nicole Bulow

    In this bonus episode of the Unreal Results Podcast, Anna sits down with LTAP® Level 1 alum Nicole Bulow, a physical therapist specializing in sports medicine and pelvic health. Nicole shares her journey integrating LTAP® into her clinical practice and how it became the catalyst not only for improving patient outcomes but also for successfully rebuilding her business from scratch after relocating to a new town simply by delivering results that stand out in an industry often accustomed to slow or inconsistent progress. With 15+ years of experience and a strong background in manual therapy and pelvic health, Nicole was already a skilled clinician. But like many, she found herself hitting plateaus, repeating the same treatments, chasing symptoms, and knowing there was something deeper she was missing. This conversation explores what happens when you finally have a system that shows you where to start. They dive into:  Why repeated treatments (like ankle mobility or soft tissue work) often signal you’re missing the root cause  How LTAP® improves efficiency and helps clinicians get results faster  The connection between protective patterns, the nervous system, and chronic dysfunction  Integrating pelvic health, sports medicine, and whole-organism assessment  Why patients are willing to travel and pay when results actually stick  Using LTAP® to identify when something deeper or medical is going on  How better outcomes directly translate to business growth and sustainability Resources & Links Learn more about LTAP® Level 1 (Spring Cohort) Connect with Nicole Bulow  ================================================= Watch the podcast on YouTube and subscribe! Join the MovementREV email list to stay up to date on the Unreal Results Podcast and MovementREV education. Be social and follow me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube

    36 min

  5. APR 2 ·  BONUS

    From “figuring it out” to letting the body lead- LTAP® Level 1 alumni interview with Jillian Egan

    You don’t need more tools. You need a way to know when and where to use them. And when you finally stop trying to figure it all out… That’s when everything starts to click. In this bonus episode of the Unreal Results Podcast, Anna sits down with LTAP® Level 1 alum Jillian Egan, a massage therapist, Pilates instructor, and movement practitioner based in Los Angeles. Jillian shares her evolution from traditional massage therapy into a more integrated, whole-organism approach, and how discovering LTAP® completely shifted how she assesses, treats, and understands the human body. With a background in dance, movement, and manual therapy, she had already built a strong foundation but was still missing a clear system to guide where to start treatment and why. This conversation explores what happens when you stop chasing symptoms and start listening to the body. They dive into: - Why having more techniques isn’t the problem and what actually is - How LTAP® gave Jillian a clear, repeatable assessment to guide treatment - Integrating the nervous system and viscera into manual therapy and movement work - The shift from “figuring it out” to letting the body lead -Why results should change quickly—and what it means when they don’t - Using clinical patterns to identify when something deeper (or medical) is going on - How this work improves both patient outcomes and practitioner sustainability Jillian also shares powerful clinical examples—from resolving shoulder pain through visceral work to identifying cases that required medical referral—highlighting how this approach leads to both better results and better decision-making. Beyond technique, this episode speaks to something deeper: the personal shift that happens when you let go of needing to be the expert and instead become someone who truly listens. Resources & Links Learn more about LTAP® Level 1 (Spring Cohort) Connect with Jillian Egan  ================================================= Watch the podcast on YouTube and subscribe! Join the MovementREV email list to stay up to date on the Unreal Results Podcast and MovementREV education. Be social and follow me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube

    36 min

  6. APR 1 ·  BONUS

    A system that clearly shows you where to start: An Interview with LTAP® Level 1 alumnus Storm Baynes-Ryan

    In this bonus episode of the Unreal Results Podcast, Anna sits down with LTAP® Level 1 alum Storm Baynes-Ryan, a physiotherapist based in rural New Zealand. This conversation offers a real-world look at what it means to practice from a whole-organism lens, especially in complex, resource-limited environments. Storm shares how she integrates the LTAP® (Locator Test Assessment Protocol®) across multiple settings, from community care and medical centers to her own in-person and online practice. Despite a full life running a farm, raising four children, and managing multiple jobs, she breaks down how she implemented the LTAP® in a way that was both realistic and transformative. They dive into:  How LTAP® changed Storm’s ability to quickly identify where to start treatment  Applying a whole-organism approach across diverse patient populations  Using LTAP® effectively in both in-person and virtual care  Why results should change quickly and what it means when they don’t  How integrating the nervous system and viscera creates more consistent, lasting outcomes  The role of pattern recognition, clinical reasoning, and trusting the body’s signals This episode is especially valuable for clinicians who feel like something is missing in their current model, those getting decent results, but not consistent ones. It’s a grounded, honest conversation about clinical growth, navigating uncertainty, and what becomes possible when you truly learn how to listen to the body. Resources & Links  Learn more about LTAP® Level 1 (Spring Cohort)  Connect with Storm Baynes-Ryan  Previous episode featuring Storm  ================================================= Watch the podcast on YouTube and subscribe! Join the MovementREV email list to stay up to date on the Unreal Results Podcast and MovementREV education. Be social and follow me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube

    38 min
  7. The Repetition Habit Behind Every Great Clinician

    APR 1

    The Repetition Habit Behind Every Great Clinician

    In this episode of the Unreal Results podcast, I reflect on a theme that keeps showing up across my teaching, my Revitalized mentorship, and my own clinical work: repetition and review. I share how teaching the same concepts over and over has sharpened my clarity, why seasoned clinicians often don’t need more techniques, and how refining your assessment lens changes everything about your results. In This Episode, You’ll Hear: Why assessment clarity matters more than adding new treatment toolsHow repetition and review accelerate clinical reasoning and confidenceThe key question to ask when your assessment feels unclearHow to build confidence by refining what you already doIf you’re ready to improve your outcomes by refining, not expanding, your approach, I’d love to have you inside the LTAP® Level 1 course. Resources & Links Mentioned In This Episode: Join the Online Spring LTAP® Level 1 2026 cohort Ep. 2: MovementREV Philosophy and Methodology Ep. 60: LTAP® Core Beliefs Join The MovementRev Newsletter Learn the LTAP® In-Person in one of my upcoming courses ================================================= Watch the podcast on YouTube and subscribe! Join the MovementREV email list to stay up to date on the Unreal Results Podcast and MovementREV education. Be social and follow me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube

    29 min
  8. A Clinical Case Study in Sacral Pain & Index of Suspicion

    MAR 11

    A Clinical Case Study in Sacral Pain & Index of Suspicion

    In this episode of the Unreal Results podcast, I walk through a recent clinical case of mine involving a Navy SEAL BUD/S candidate who came in with persistent “back pain.” Once he pointed more specifically to the sacrum, the case immediately changed direction and led us down a very different path involving visceral drivers, kidney irritation, and neurovascular patterns. I share how location-specific questioning, structured assessment, and developing a strong index of suspicion can uncover connections between the viscera, nervous system, and musculoskeletal system that are easy to miss. In this episode, you’ll hear: • Why sacral pain should immediately shift your clinical questioning • How kidney and urogenital organ irritation can refer pain to the sacrum and knee • How tools like the LTAP® fit into broader clinical reasoning and assessment • Why asking the right questions can completely change the direction of treatment If you’re a health or movement professional interested in improving your diagnostic thinking and getting better outcomes with complex cases, this episode will help you refine how you assess presentations that don’t follow the usual patterns. Resources & Links Mentioned In This Episode: Ep. 45: The Kidneys - Visceral Connections To Movement Ep. 49: Pain On The Sacrum Ep. 147: Why Expectations Shape Clinical Outcomes Kidney Regen Session Learn the LTAP® In-Person in one of my upcoming courses ================================================= Watch the podcast on YouTube and subscribe! Join the MovementREV email list to stay up to date on the Unreal Results Podcast and MovementREV education. Be social and follow me: Instagram | Facebook | Twitter | YouTube

    31 min
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The Unreal Results podcast helps physical therapists and certified athletic trainers feel confident and get better outcomes for their clients by teaching about the influence of the viscera organs and the nervous system on human movement, pain, and injury. Explore how a visceral and neural-based lens of view can provide a new perspective to performance-based physical therapy, athletic training, and sports medicine.

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