Sustainable Clinical Medicine with The Charting Coach

Dr. Sarah Smith

On the Sustainable Clinical Medicine Podcast we are capturing the stories of physicians who have made clinical medicine sustainable in their own lives, including their before and after stories.  I will also interview coaches who are helping Physicians create sustainable clinical medicine for themselves.

  1. 1h ago

    What Burnout Looks Like When You’re Still Showing Up | Episode 196

    Dr. Jillian Bybee has been a pediatric ICU doctor for 10 years. She’s also a certified coach, a speaker, a podcaster, and a GME wellness director at a 60,000-person health system. She burned out twice before she figured out what she actually needed. Now she helps other doctors do the same.   Dr. Jillian Bybee is a pediatric ICU physician, certified coach, and host of the Humans Leading podcast and Substack. She serves as GME Wellness Director at a large health system in Michigan and coaches mid-career women physicians navigating burnout and career pivots. Find her at jillianbybeeMD.com and on Instagram @lifeandpicu.   Timestamped Highlights 00:01 From wanting to be her own pediatrician to the PICU 02:30 Three-year fellowship, 28-hour shifts, every other night call 04:00 Screening herself for depression and telling her program director 06:30 A research year that became a recovery year 10:00 How she stopped identifying herself by her title alone 12:00 Her first faculty job and how the yeses started stacking up 14:00 How she evaluates opportunities now vs. how she did at the start 17:00 Exiting roles well: knowing your why before you leave 20:30 Growing her own coaching practice outside institutional red tape 22:00 Building a wellness curriculum for the PICU from scratch 27:00 What getting her first executive coach unlocked 29:00 What five minutes in a basement conference room can actually do 32:00 Active stress management and the book Burnout by the Nagoski sisters 34:00 Signs of burnout that don’t look like burnout 37:00 Burnout first whispers, then runs you over like a bus 38:00 Learned helplessness and why no one is coming with a magic wand   Three Key Takeaways Burnout doesn’t always look like falling apart. Sometimes it looks like optimizing. Listening to podcasts at 2x speed. Cramming more into every gap. Rushing even when there’s no reason to rush. Dr. Bybee calls this a constantly activated stress response, and it often goes unrecognized because it looks like efficiency. For high achievers especially, the warning signs can hide inside the habits that got you where you are.   Five minutes is enough to start. Not 10 minutes. Not a lunch break. Five minutes. One of Dr. Bybee’s clients locked herself in a conference room basement to read for five minutes, and that small act gave her the language to ask for more. It set an example for her team. It changed the culture of a whole practice. The size of the action matters less than the decision to take it.   Only you can change your life, but you don’t have to do it alone. Learned helplessness is a real symptom of burnout. The feeling that nothing will change, that no one cares, that asking for help is a burden. Dr. Bybee makes the case that most people in medicine actually want to help. They just don’t know how until you let them.   Would you like to view a transcript of this episode?  Click Here Charting Champions is a premiere, lifetime access Physician only program that is helping Physicians get home with today's work done. All the proven tools, support and community you need to create time for your life outside of medicine. Learn more at https://www.chartingcoach.ca Enjoying this podcast? Please share it with someone who would benefit. Also, don’t forget to hit “follow” so you get all the new episodes as soon as they are released. Come hang out with me on Facebook or Instagram. Follow me @thechartingcoach to get more practical tools to help you create sustainable clinical medicine in your life. Questions? Comments? Want to share how this podcast has helped you? Shoot me an email at admin@reachcareercoaching.ca. I would love to hear from you.

    What Burnout Looks Like When You’re Still Showing Up | Episode 196
  2. Oct 26

    Malpractice, Audits, and Where to Put It All | Episode 195

    Nobody told you what to do when the letter arrived. Not in med school. Not in residency. And now you’re trying to hold it together through a malpractice case, a licensing board investigation, or a billing audit that feels like it came out of nowhere. Dr. Erin Pemberton has spent 20 years defending doctors and healthcare providers in exactly those moments. Now she’s also a certified coach, and she works with providers who are in the middle of the hard stuff: not after, not in recovery, but right now, while it’s happening. In this episode, she and Dr. Sarah talk about what that kind of support actually looks like, and why it matters. Dr. Erin Pemberton is a partner at Baylor, Evnen, Wolf & Danele law firm in Lincoln, Nebraska and the founder of Pemberton Professional Coaching. She is a certified coach credentialed through the International Coaching Federation and trained at the Physician Coaching Institute. She works with doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and other healthcare providers navigating licensure, discipline, malpractice, and audits. Find her at pembertonprocoaching.com.   Timestamped Highlights [00:00] Dr. Erin Pemberton’s path from OR tech to nurse to nursing administrator to law school to coaching [07:00] What 20 years of malpractice defense taught her about what doctors actually go through [13:00] Why coaching is a safe space legally: no notes, no evidence, no diagnosing [19:00] The risk behaviors that show up when doctors are under sustained pressure [24:00] Billing audits, Medicaid letters, and the legal layer of medicine no one prepared you for [28:00] What coaching looks like when someone is facing discipline, not just career transition [31:00] How to find Dr. Pemberton and what working with her looks like   Three Key Takeaways 1. Coaching is legally distinct from therapy, and that distinction matters when you’re in trouble. Dr. Pemberton is clear: coaching doesn’t generate notes, doesn’t create evidence, and doesn’t involve diagnosing. For a doctor in the middle of a malpractice case or licensing investigation, that makes it a genuinely safe place to process what’s happening. You can talk about how you’re feeling without creating anything that could be used against you later. 2. The emotional toll of a malpractice case or audit doesn’t wait for the case to resolve. These cases can take years. Licensing board investigations move slowly. And the pressure doesn’t pause while your life keeps going. Dr. Pemberton talks about the risk behaviors that show up when doctors are carrying that weight with nowhere to put it, and why having a place to let the relief valve open can change how someone shows up in every other part of their life. 3. You’re not the first. You’re not the worst. And there are people who specialize in the hard part. Most coaching focuses on career transitions or growth. Dr. Pemberton deliberately works with people who are in crisis right now, not on the other side of it. Knowing that someone has walked alongside dozens of doctors through this, and has seen them come out, is its own kind of grounding.   Would you like to view a transcript of this episode? Click Here Charting Champions is a premiere, lifetime access program for doctors that is helping them get home with today’s work done. All the proven tools, support and community you need to create time for your life outside of medicine. Learn more at https://www.chartingcoach.ca Enjoying this podcast? Please share it with someone who would benefit. Also, don’t forget to hit “follow” so you get all the new episodes as soon as they are released. Come hang out with me on Facebook or Instagram. Follow me @thechartingcoach to get more practical tools to help you create sustainable clinical medicine in your life. Questions? Comments? Want to share how this podcast has helped you? Shoot me an email at admin@reachcareercoaching.ca. I would love to hear from you.

    Malpractice, Audits, and Where to Put It All | Episode 195
  3. Oct 19

    10% of Doctors May Have ADHD. Here’s What That Actually Means | Episode 194

    Dr. Jennie Byrne is a psychiatrist, neuroscientist, and author of three books on brain performance, moral injury, and ADHD in professionals. In this episode, she and Dr. Sarah dig into what ADHD actually looks like in high-performing clinicians and why so many go undiagnosed for decades. If you’ve ever wondered why the administrative side of medicine feels exponentially harder than the clinical side, this conversation is going to feel uncomfortably familiar. Dr. Jennie Byrne is a board-certified psychiatrist and neuroscientist. She’s the founder of Constellation, a mental health practice, and the author of Work Smart: Use Your Brain and Behavior to Master the Future of Work, Moral Injury: Healing the Healers, and ADHD in Professionals: Embracing Your Brain. Connect with her at constellationpllc.com.   Timestamped Highlights [00:00] Why ADHD shows up differently in high-achieving doctors, and why the traditional picture doesn’t fit [07:00] The “brain variant” framing: why Dr. Byrne doesn’t see ADHD as a disorder [14:00] Up to 10% of doctors may have ADHD, and the adrenaline-driven specialties are where you’ll find the most of them [21:00] Task-shifting and cognitive load: why switching from clinical to admin work costs ADHD brains up to 60% capacity [28:00] The inbox problem: how to stop letting email run your day (scheduling send, time blocking, making it a game) [35:00] Portal messages as moral injury: when the system is asking more than it was ever designed to give [42:00] Why doctors avoid psychiatry and how coaching offers a lower-barrier path to support [49:00] The three books, what they cover, and how to find Dr. Byrne   Three Key Takeaways 1. ADHD brains aren’t broken. They’re built for a different environment. Dr. Byrne reframes ADHD as a brain variant, not a deficit. The skills that make ADHD brains exceptional in high-stakes clinical environments (hyperfocus, fast pattern recognition, comfort with chaos) are the same skills that make the administrative side of medicine feel like it’s grinding gears. The mismatch isn’t in the brain; it’s in the job design. 2. The cognitive cost of switching from clinical to admin work is real and measurable. For doctors with ADHD brains, task-shifting between clinical and administrative work doesn’t just feel hard. Research suggests it can consume up to 60% of working capacity. That’s not a motivation problem or a time management problem. It’s a neuroscience problem, and it reframes why charting after hours feels so disproportionately exhausting. 3. The barrier to mental health support for doctors is partly structural, and coaching can help bridge it. Doctors are less likely to seek psychiatric support due to stigma, licensing concerns, and the particular awkwardness of being a clinician and a patient in the same system. Dr. Byrne talks about why coaching offers a lower-stakes, more accessible entry point and why that matters for sustainable careers in medicine.   Would you like to view a transcript of this episode? Click Here Charting Champions is a premiere, lifetime access program for doctors that is helping them get home with today’s work done. All the proven tools, support and community you need to create time for your life outside of medicine. Learn more at https://www.chartingcoach.ca Enjoying this podcast? Please share it with someone who would benefit. Also, don’t forget to hit “follow” so you get all the new episodes as soon as they are released. Come hang out with me on Facebook or Instagram. Follow me @thechartingcoach to get more practical tools to help you create sustainable clinical medicine in your life. Questions? Comments? Want to share how this podcast has helped you? Shoot me an email at admin@reachcareercoaching.ca. I would love to hear from you.

    10% of Doctors May Have ADHD. Here’s What That Actually Means | Episode 194
  4. Oct 12

    She Moved Countries. The Charting Problem Followed | Episode 193

    Dr. Sarah Smith recently joined Dr. Andrea Austin on Heartline: Changemaking in Healthcare to talk about something that hits close to home for a lot of doctors: the charting problem that follows you no matter where you work, what system you're in, or what country you move to. In this conversation, Dr. Smith shares practical emergency department charting strategies, her honest take on perfectionism and training trauma, and why the administrative burden is an "us problem, not a you problem." This episode originally aired on Heartline: Changemaking in Healthcare, hosted by Dr. Andrea Austin, board-certified emergency doctor and doctor development coach. Visit andreaaustinmd.com to learn more.   Timestamped Highlights [02:00]: Dr. Smith traces how she became interested in helping other doctors, starting with 15 years of working evenings and weekends before she finally figured out how to get home with the work done, and what it took to get there. [07:00]: The emergency department gets specific attention here. Dr. Smith explains why doctors staying six hours after their shift is not a personal failing, and what it is actually costing the department. [09:00]: A quick shift huddle at the start of every shift, done right, can reduce interruptions, improve teamwork, and set up the whole team to leave closer to on time. The logistics are simpler than you might think. [11:00]: Real-time charting in a busy ED sounds impossible. Dr. Smith makes the case for why doing it imperfectly in the moment beats doing it perfectly at midnight. [14:00]: C-minus. That is the charting standard Dr. Smith recommends when you are under pressure, and the reasoning behind it will resonate with anyone who has ever held their notes accountable to a voice from residency they do not even respect anymore. [19:00]: Training trauma is real, and it shows up in documentation. Dr. Smith and Dr. Austin talk about the attendings, the fear of courtrooms, and the invisible audience doctors are still writing for years later. [25:00]: What can a CMO or hospital leader actually do? Dr. Smith gives concrete, practical answers including one idea for how a department could restructure a shift to give doctors a protected hour to get caught up. [31:00]: Dr. Smith lived and worked in both Australia and Canada, saw up to 40 patients a day across multiple practice settings, and was still working evenings and weekends in both countries. The problems followed her. What finally changed things was not the system; it was the skill set. [39:00]: What does a sustainable clinical career actually look like? Dr. Smith closes with her own definition, and why the goal of leaving 10 minutes after the last patient once felt completely impossible.   Three Key Takeaways 1. The end-of-shift backlog is a system problem, not a personal one. When doctors are staying six hours past their last patient to finish documentation, that is not a sign that those doctors are slow or disorganized. The electronic medical record was not designed for speed or ease, the click burden is heavy, and nobody hands clinicians the specific strategies to work differently inside it. Dr. Smith frames it plainly: this is an us problem, not a you problem, and that reframe matters because it puts the conversation where it belongs, at the level of the team and the department, not the individual.   2. Perfectionism around charting is often training trauma wearing a professional mask. C-minus charting is not a shortcut. It is the right standard for a doctor who has not eaten in three hours, has a full waiting room, and knows something is coming through the door in five seconds. The reason so many doctors cannot let themselves chart to that standard is that they are still writing for an attending who intimidated them in residency, or bracing for a courtroom that is unlikely to ever materialize. Naming who you are imagining looking at your notes is one of the most practically useful things in this episode.   3. Moving countries does not fix the problem; changing your skill set does. Dr. Smith left Australia for Canada and kept working evenings and weekends. Different system, different EMR, different patient volume structure, same problem. What changed things was not geography. It was learning a different way to interact with the system she was already in. For any doctor who is convinced their burnout is entirely environmental, this is worth sitting with: the system is broken, and it is also true that there is a skill set available that can make where you are right now more sustainable.   Would you like to view a transcript of this episode? Click Here Charting Champions is a premiere, lifetime access program helping doctors get home with today's work done. All the proven tools, support, and community you need to create time for your life outside of medicine. Learn more at chartingcoach.ca/charting-champions Enjoying this podcast? Please share it with someone who would benefit. Also, don't forget to hit "follow" so you get all the new episodes as soon as they are released. Come hang out with me on Facebook or Instagram. Follow me @thechartingcoach to get more practical tools to help you create sustainable clinical medicine in your life. Questions? Comments? Want to share how this podcast has helped you? Shoot me an email at admin@reachcareercoaching.ca. I would love to hear from you.

    She Moved Countries. The Charting Problem Followed | Episode 193
  5. Oct 5

    The Research Is In! What 280 Doctors Proved About Physician Burnout | Episode 192

    Dr. Sarah Smith has always believed that getting home with the work of the day done was possible, and now there is published research to prove it. In this episode, she walks through the journal article that studied 280 Charting Champions members across a range of specialties and career stages, sharing exactly what the data found about hours spent charting outside clinical time, feelings of burnout and dread, and the number of patients doctors were still able to see. If you have ever wondered whether a coaching program can actually move the needle on physician administrative burden, or if you need something concrete to show your organization, this is the episode to send them. Timestamped Highlights [02:00]: Dr. Smith traces the origin of the Charting Champions program, not to a business plan, but to a very specific moment in her own clinical life when she realized she could not keep going the way she was going. [09:00]: On a remote cabin with no internet, a pencil, and a pad of paper, Dr. Smith did something that would eventually reach hundreds of doctors worldwide, and the simplicity of how it started may surprise you. [13:00]: Before the program even launched, Dr. Smith knew she would need to measure what it actually did, and the way she set that up created some unexpected challenges for her research team. [16:00]: The study found something that most organizations will immediately ask about: does doing less charting after hours come at the cost of seeing fewer patients? The answer is significant. [22:00]: The data on dread, burnout, and resignation ideation before and after Charting Champions are numbers worth knowing, especially if you are working inside a healthcare organization looking for interventions that actually hold up. [28:00]: Dr. Smith closes with a direct message to doctors who want to bring this evidence to their employers, and where to find the full journal article and its reference list. Three Key Takeaways 1. The study didn't just show improvement. It showed clinically significant improvement. Two hundred and eighty doctors completed both pre- and post-program surveys, and what they reported wasn't marginal. Charting outside clinical hours decreased significantly. Feelings of dread, burnout, and thoughts of resigning all dropped. And the proportion of doctors who frequently had their evenings and weekends free of paperwork nearly doubled, from 16 to 30 percent. The phrase "clinically significant" is precise here: this wasn't a feel-good survey, it was a longitudinal study that met the bar for meaningful change. 2. Productivity did not take a hit, and that matters for the organizational argument. One of the most common objections to any administrative burden intervention is that reducing paperwork time means reducing patient volume. This study directly addressed that, and found no significant difference in the number of patients seen per day before and after the program. For doctors trying to make the case to their hospital, clinic, or health system that coaching is worth supporting, this finding removes the most common counter-argument. 3. This program was built from one doctor's lived experience, then tested against evidence. The Charting Champions program did not begin as a curriculum or a product. It began as Dr. Sarah Smith spending two years working through every aspect of her own clinical day to solve a problem that was quietly making her miserable. What makes this research meaningful is that the intervention is grounded in something real, not top-down efficiency consulting, but a process developed by a doctor who had the same problem the participants had, and figured out a way through it.   Would you like to view a transcript of this episode? Click Here Charting Champions is a premiere, lifetime access Physician only program that is helping Physicians get home with today's work done. All the proven tools, support and community you need to create time for your life outside of medicine. Learn more at https://www.chartingcoach.ca Enjoying this podcast? Please share it with someone who would benefit. Also, don’t forget to hit “follow” so you get all the new episodes as soon as they are released. Come hang out with me on Facebook or Instagram. Follow me @thechartingcoach to get more practical tools to help you create sustainable clinical medicine in your life. Questions? Comments? Want to share how this podcast has helped you? Shoot me an email at admin@reachcareercoaching.ca. I would love to hear from you.

    The Research Is In! What 280 Doctors Proved About Physician Burnout | Episode 192
  6. Sep 28

    The Clinical Day Was Never Built With You in Mind | Episode 191

    This episode was originally published on Designing Healthcare That Cares, hosted by Dr. Laura Suttin. We are grateful to Dr. Suttin for the conversation and for permission to share it here.   Episode Summary Nobody ever walked down the corridor and asked a doctor to see fewer patients today. Nobody ever offered to take half their inbox. The clinical day was not designed with the clinician in mind, and most doctors have spent their careers working inside that reality without ever stopping to question it. In this episode, originally recorded for Designing Healthcare That Cares with Dr. Laura Suttin, Dr. Sarah Smith talks about what it actually looks like to start reclaiming your day from the inside, how to work with your team differently, what AI can and cannot do for your charting, and why noticing without judgment is always the first move. What This Episode Covers Why the clinical day was never designed with the doctor in mind, and what to do about it now How to identify which inbox messages are not doctor work and get them off your plate permanently What it looks like to work with your team at the highest level, and how to have that conversation without adding to their load Why everything you say yes to in the room has a time consequence, and how to start navigating that A practical and honest look at where AI scribing helps and where it quietly creates new problems Why noticing without judgment is the foundation of every sustainable change in clinical medicine How to batch staff questions, protect thinking time, and reduce the interruptions that drain executive function   Key Moment Worth Hearing Dr. Smith describes discovering that the clinic nurse was spending over an hour a day booking ultrasound appointments, creating a bottleneck that delayed patient vitals and backed up the entire morning. One conversation redirected that work to the ultrasound clinic's own secretaries. The hour came back. That is the noticing piece in action.   Would you like to view a transcript of this episode? Click Here Charting Champions is a premiere, lifetime access Physician only program that is helping Physicians get home with today's work done. All the proven tools, support and community you need to create time for your life outside of medicine. Learn more at https://www.chartingcoach.ca Enjoying this podcast? Please share it with someone who would benefit. Also, don’t forget to hit “follow” so you get all the new episodes as soon as they are released. Come hang out with me on Facebook or Instagram. Follow me @thechartingcoach to get more practical tools to help you create sustainable clinical medicine in your life. Questions? Comments? Want to share how this podcast has helped you? Shoot me an email at admin@reachcareercoaching.ca. I would love to hear from you.

    The Clinical Day Was Never Built With You in Mind | Episode 191
  7. Sep 21

    Stop Saying Yes to Homework Inside the Consultation | Episode 190

    This episode was originally published on Vital Signs: Thriving as a Woman in Medicine, hosted by Dr. Diane Shannon. We are grateful to Dr. Shannon for the conversation and for permission to share it here.   Episode Summary Every time a doctor opens their mouth in a consultation, they are either shortening or lengthening their day. That is the lens Dr. Sarah Smith brings to clinical communication, and in this episode, originally recorded for Vital Signs: Thriving as a Woman in Medicine with Dr. Diane Shannon, she applies it to everything from how you greet a patient to how you handle the person who walks in with 17 problems. The conversation is practical, honest, and built around a single idea: you are the captain of the ship, and there are more choices available to you than you may have realized.   What This Episode Covers Why the way you communicate inside the consultation is one of the biggest drivers of after-hours work The real cost of not having efficient patient communication, including financial costs most doctors do not track Why saying yes to everything in the room means saying yes to homework How to handle the patient with 17 problems without abandoning good care Practical strategies for reducing interruptions, batching staff questions, and protecting thinking time Why noticing without judgment is the first and most important step toward change How small, incremental pivots compound into a very different clinical day   Key Moment Worth Hearing Dr. Smith describes what happens when a patient walks in and fills the silence while you are still mid-thought about their diabetes management. Her response to that moment, warm, direct, and completely unapologetic, is one of the most useful things in this episode.   Would you like to view a transcript of this episode? Click Here Charting Champions is a premiere, lifetime access Physician only program that is helping Physicians get home with today's work done. All the proven tools, support and community you need to create time for your life outside of medicine. Learn more at https://www.chartingcoach.ca Enjoying this podcast? Please share it with someone who would benefit. Also, don’t forget to hit “follow” so you get all the new episodes as soon as they are released. Come hang out with me on Facebook or Instagram. Follow me @thechartingcoach to get more practical tools to help you create sustainable clinical medicine in your life. Questions? Comments? Want to share how this podcast has helped you? Shoot me an email at admin@reachcareercoaching.ca. I would love to hear from you.

    Stop Saying Yes to Homework Inside the Consultation | Episode 190
  8. Sep 14

    She Woke Up at 2AM to Chart. Here Is What She Did About It | Episode 189

    This episode was originally published on the Doctors Crossing Carpe Diem Podcast, hosted by Dr. Heather Fork. We are grateful to Dr. Fork for the conversation and for permission to share it here on the Sustainable Clinical Medicine Podcast.   Episode Summary Dr. Sarah Smith spent the first 15 years of family medicine asking her mentors the same question: how do you do the paperwork part? The answer was always the same. Come in on Sundays. It was not until she was walking past the living room one evening, hearing her son talk about university, and realizing she was on her way to the computer again, that something shifted. In this episode, originally recorded for the Doctors Crossing Carpe Diem Podcast with Dr. Heather Fork, Dr. Smith talks about the moment everything changed, what she actually did differently, and what she now teaches doctors who are stuck in the same cycle she was. What This Episode Covers The moment Dr. Smith realized charting chaos was costing her more than just time Why noticing your patterns without judgment is where change begins How perfectionism and imposter syndrome slow charting down in ways most doctors never connect Practical strategies for charting in real time and managing the clinical day more intentionally How to reduce interruptions, set boundaries, and get notes done before the next patient What good enough documentation actually looks like, and why it is more than enough How AI is changing the charting landscape and where it still falls short   Key Moment Worth Hearing Dr. Smith describes the preceptor she was unconsciously writing five-page notes for, years after training ended. When she realized who she was trying to please and what it was actually costing her, everything about her approach to documentation changed.   Would you like to view a transcript of this episode?  Click Here Charting Champions is a premiere, lifetime access Physician only program that is helping Physicians get home with today's work done. All the proven tools, support and community you need to create time for your life outside of medicine. Learn more at https://www.chartingcoach.ca Enjoying this podcast? Please share it with someone who would benefit. Also, don’t forget to hit “follow” so you get all the new episodes as soon as they are released. Come hang out with me on Facebook or Instagram. Follow me @thechartingcoach to get more practical tools to help you create sustainable clinical medicine in your life. Questions? Comments? Want to share how this podcast has helped you? Shoot me an email at admin@reachcareercoaching.ca. I would love to hear from you.

    She Woke Up at 2AM to Chart. Here Is What She Did About It | Episode 189
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On the Sustainable Clinical Medicine Podcast we are capturing the stories of physicians who have made clinical medicine sustainable in their own lives, including their before and after stories.  I will also interview coaches who are helping Physicians create sustainable clinical medicine for themselves.

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