Just Make Art

Ty Nathan Clark and Nathan Terborg

A conversation about making art and the artist's journey with Ty Nathan Clark and Nathan Terborg, two artists trying to navigate the art world, just like you. In each episode, the duo chooses a quote from a known artist and uses it as a springboard for discussion. Through their conversations, Ty and Nathan explore the deeper meaning of the quote and how it can be applied to the artists studio practice. They share their own personal stories and struggles as artists, and offer practical advice and tips for overcoming obstacles and achieving artistic success. Whether you're a seasoned artist or just starting out, "Just Make Art" provides valuable insights and inspiration to help you navigate the creative process and bring your artistic vision to life. With their engaging and conversational style, Ty and Nathan create a welcoming space for listeners to explore their own artistic passions and learn from two artists working hard to navigate the art world.

  1. 12h ago

    Why I Make Art. Ursula Von Rydingsvard

    We lost a legend this week as one of our favorite artists Ursula Von Rydingsvard moved into the cosmos on October 27, 2026 (age 84 years), New York, NY. Nathan and I both wanted to share our Ursula episode from last year that we did. As a way to honor our love for her, her work and what she passed on to each of us as students and admirers of her work and dedication to art. A single question can power a lifetime of work: Why do I make art? Ty and Nathan sit with Ursula Von Rydingsvard’s stark and generous answers woven from anxiety, labor, faith in process, and the stubborn hope that making can heal and use it as a mirror for our own practices. From the first splinter to the last pass of the saw, we look at how big work invites big stakes, why the best days feel like discovery, and how the studio becomes a container strong enough to hold whatever we bring into it. We dig into the creative toggle between object and process: when materials feel right but the method frays, and when the method sings but the object won’t land. That friction is feedback, not failure. Ursula’s line about having confidence in the possibility of seeing the work through reframes ambition without guarantees as an artist’s version of resilience. We also talk about self-doubt as a companion rather than an enemy, and how studying our heroes deeply:  films, books, museum visits, feeds our own artistic DNA without imitation. There’s a human infrastructure behind monumental art. Ursula’s assistants form another kind of family, proof that leadership in the studio is its own craft. We reflect on our daily rhythm, showing up without perfect conditions, and making pieces that may outlive us, which is how work reaches into the future. The conversation edges into generational pain and the unanswerable questions art dares to hold. Answers are rare; presence is everything. If you’ve ever needed permission to trust the process and keep going, consider this your sign. If this resonated, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs a creative nudge, and leave a quick review, tell us your “why” so we can feature it in a future Q&A. Make sure to check out "Art from the Outside" and the amazing interview they had with Ursula: Spotify    Apple Send us a message - we would love to hear from you! Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast

    Why I Make Art. Ursula Von Rydingsvard
  2. Oct 22

    A Quest For Quiet with Artist Jamele Wright, Sr

    The first brushstroke can be the scariest moment in the whole studio. Sitting with Jamele Wright, Sr in Atlanta (@artthenewreligion), we talk about that pause right before you commit to the surface the fear of ruining it, the excitement of stepping into unknown territory, and why the next mark can feel like the farthest you’ve ever been from home.  From there we get deep into abstract art and contemporary painting: why abstraction can hold multiple conversations at once, why it asks more of the viewer, and how a painting can reward five to ten minutes of real attention before you ever read the label. We also explore how our hyper-fast culture trains us to miss nuance, and how art can be a practical tool for mindfulness, presence, and slowing down.  We connect the dots between composition, regional materials, and lived experience from Cy Twombly to Sam Gilliam to Al Loving. Jamel shares how he thinks about color theory versus what feels honest right now, why he’s drawn to silence and quiet in the studio, and how Georgia red clay becomes both pigment and history when it’s embedded into the work. We close with a candid definition of success as an artist: less about fame, more about practice, gratitude, and the simple truth that forward is a pace.  About Jamele Wright Sr.: Jamele Wright Sr. is an Atlanta-based visual artist and professor whose work investigates the intersections of landscape, memory, and diasporic abstraction. Born and raised in Ohio, Wright moved to Atlanta at age 22, where he became an important organizer of art, jazz, and poetry events throughout the city. Seeing that many young artists lacked meaningful platforms, he founded the Neo Renaissance Art House, a grassroots gallery that nurtured and elevated a new generation of emerging creatives. This experience led him toward his own artistic path. Wright earned a B.A. in Art History from Georgia State University, focusing on African and African American contemporary art, and later completed an MFA from the School of Visual Arts in New York City. Wright’s studio practice spans Georgia red clay, Dutch wax cloth, gesture drawing, and large-scale textile installations. His work explores presence, duration, and the in-between as active structures within Black experience, often merging material experimentation with ecological and historical inquiry.  He has exhibited widely, including solo exhibitions at the Gibbes Museum of Art in Charleston and the Albany Museum of Art, and his work is held in collections across the region. Wright has participated in residencies at Surf Point Foundation, the Vermont Studio Center, and MASS MoCA, and he received the Windgate Artist Fellowship at the Zuckerman Museum of Art. His public commissions include major works for the Montgomery Museum of Art and Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport. As a faculty member at Clark Atlanta University, Wright teaches studio practice, African American art history, writing, and professional development. He recently co-curated Innervisions, an exhibition on Black abstraction at the Clark Atlanta University Art Museum. Send us a message - we would love to hear from you! Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast

    A Quest For Quiet with Artist Jamele Wright, Sr
  3. Sep 22

    The Wonderful Mistake. Where Do You End and the World Begins?

    Grief has a way of erasing your map. One day you’re moving with confidence, and the next you’re standing in front of your work thinking, is this the first time I’ve ever done this? I’m recording solo while Nathan’s away, partly because I need to hang out, and partly because the last few weeks have been heavy with loss. When your mind goes quiet and your body goes numb, the usual creative routines don’t always work, so I lean into the simplest thing I can do: tell the truth, read, write, and keep showing up. From there, I pull a single thread through four very different voices, all pointing to the same idea: not knowing is worth protecting. The Delphian Gallery’s guidance on building an art career, Orson Welles talking about the freedom of ignorance, Peter Hook’s line about “wonderful mistakes,” and Austin Kleon’s warning that knowing can make you boring all land in the same place. Mastery isn’t the enemy, but comfort can be. If you want real artistic growth, you have to experiment, take creative risks, and accept that making bad work is often the cover charge for discovering something true. William Kentridge takes it even deeper, describing the studio as a kind of machine that turns the outside world into visible form, a collage under construction made of memories, fragments, conversations, and pain. A story from Edith Schloss about a 1943 loft makes the metaphor physical: the artist in the storm, steering what they can while admitting they can’t control the weather. We end with a question I can’t stop thinking about: where do you end and the world begins? If this resonates, subscribe, share it with a friend who’s stuck, and leave a review so more artists can find us. What’s one “wonderful mistake” you’re willing to make this week? Send us a message - we would love to hear from you! Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast

    The Wonderful Mistake. Where Do You End and the World Begins?
  4. Sep 3

    The Long Game: Georg Baselitz and Rafael Nadal: Kind of Part 2

    A 15-foot painting stops Ty cold, and it kicks off a conversation that keeps getting bigger: what does it look like to keep making serious work when you’re old, tired, and no longer trying to prove anything to anyone? After a London walk from a heavy Tracy Emin experience to Georg Baselitz at White Cube, we can’t shake the feeling that we just saw a masterclass in artistic longevity. We connect that late-career power to the Raphael Nadal Netflix documentary and the brutal reality of sport: your mind can still be hungry while your body forces the ending. Painting works differently. Baselitz talks about continuing “despite an almost complete absence of pressure,” and we wrestle with whether a younger artist can reach a version of that freedom sooner. We get into confidence built on discipline and time, the role of career momentum and visibility, and the trap of making work on other people’s terms. From upside-down paintings to walker marks dragged through wet paint, Baselitz becomes a case study in adapting studio practice to aging and illness without shrinking the ambition. We also unpack self-doubt, the difference between public failure and inner conviction, and why time tells in art more than any single moment. If you care about creative discipline, expressionism, contemporary art, and building a sustainable art career, this one goes straight to the nerve. Subscribe, share with a friend, leave a review, and tell us: what helps you stay free in the studio when the pressure spikes? Send us a message - we would love to hear from you! Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast

    The Long Game: Georg Baselitz and Rafael Nadal: Kind of Part 2
  5. Aug 13

    The Long Game: Rafael Nadal and Georg Baselitz: Kind of Part 1

    Ty Nathan Clark and Nathan Terborg are back!  A career that ends because your body says “no” forces a kind of honesty most of us try to avoid. That’s why the Rafael Nadal Netflix documentary hit us so hard and why we couldn’t stop talking about it as artists. We trace Nadal’s mindset back to the studio: the way victory fades fast, the way difficulty becomes the real teacher, and the way motivation can turn dangerous when it turns into obsession. We also dig into the difference between an athlete’s timeline and an artist’s timeline. Tennis can become a race against time, but art can be a lifelong practice, which means we get to adapt, evolve, and keep making work for decades if we stay present and keep training. Along the way, we pull quotes from Nadal, his dad, and his coaches to talk about pressure, discipline, community, and perspective. We explore why “control the controllables” is a studio survival tool, how self-made deadlines can sharpen your focus, and what it means to compete with yourself without turning art into a zero-sum game. We also ask the uncomfortable question: what does “suffering more” look like for an artist, and how do we bring joy into the drive so we don’t regret the moments we’re living right now? In the coming Part 2 we will discuss Georg Baselitz and his life long practice, comparing it to the short period of time Nadal was able to complete. Subscribe, share this with an artist friend, and leave a review if the conversation helps you show up stronger tomorrow. What’s one controllable you’re focusing on this week? Send us a message - we would love to hear from you! Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast

    The Long Game: Rafael Nadal and Georg Baselitz: Kind of Part 1
  6. Jul 23

    Breathwork And Nervous System Resets with Michael Gazzo

    The fastest way to kill creative flow is to turn art into an identity you have to defend. Nathan sits down with special guest host Michael Gazzo (@Michaelvgazzo), a coach, rebirth breathwork facilitator, master NLP practitioner, and platinum-selling music producer, to talk about what happens when external success still leaves you empty and what it takes to create from a more honest place. We trace Michael’s path from childhood music obsession to major-label moments, touring, and high-pressure industry wins and then into the quieter work of rebuilding from the inside. Along the way, we unpack why curiosity and play create the “happy accidents” that make work feel alive, and why creative block often isn’t a lack of talent but a nervous system and heart issue. If you’ve felt stuck in perfectionism, overthinking, or the need to make something that “works,” this conversation offers a different frame: become a better receiver first. We also get practical. We talk breathwork as a tool for regulation and deeper emotional release, how to redirect spiraling thoughts without bypassing your real feelings, and how journaling can become a direct dialogue with the work itself. Finally, we break down intention setting, focusing on a cleaner why, avoiding negative motivators that burn out fast, and serving the art instead of using the art to chase approval. If this resonates, subscribe for more conversations on creativity and the inner life, share this with a friend who’s blocked, and leave a review so more artists can find the show. Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast Send us a message - we would love to hear from you! Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast

    Breathwork And Nervous System Resets with Michael Gazzo
  7. Jun 18

    How Music Builds Memory And Momentum In Art

    One song can pull you back to a room you haven’t seen in 30 years, and that same song can push you into the studio with a totally different kind of courage. Nathan Terborg and Ty Nathan Clark go all-in on the music that formed their taste and still shapes their creative process, from early mixtapes and older-sibling tape raids to the ritual of Tower Records, used CD bins, and the album art that taught us as much as any design class. We trade stories about the records that became emotional landmarks, the soundtracks that acted like secret portals to new bands, and the way certain albums become permanent studio companions. Ty shares how the Basquiat film soundtrack helped reroute his path as an artist, and we dig into the very real chain reaction of influence, like Jeff Buckley inspiring Thom Yorke’s approach on Radiohead’s work. Along the way we hit The Crow soundtrack, OK Computer awe, deep-cut favorites, and a few “no shame” listens that still surprise people. Then we bring it back to craft: how to build a studio playlist with intention, how to match music to the energy you need, and why silence can be the most powerful tool when you’re trying to hear what the work is asking for. If you’ve ever wondered how music and creativity connect at a practical level, this one is a blueprint you can actually use. If it resonates, subscribe to Just Make Art Podcast, share it with an artist friend, and leave a review so more people can find it. What album changes the way you make work? Send us a message - we would love to hear from you! Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast

    How Music Builds Memory And Momentum In Art
  8. Jun 4

    How Cameron Crowe’s Memoir Teaches Artists To Keep Going

    Cameron Crowe wrote for Rolling Stone as a teenager, rode alongside the biggest bands of the era, and somehow stayed human enough to turn those years into art. We use his memoir The Uncool as a springboard to talk about the real creative process: the awkward beginnings, the brutal winters, and the small daily choices that keep an artist moving when nobody is clapping yet. We pull quotes and stories that hit hard for working artists. What does “opportunity favors the prepared mind” look like in practice when you’re sending work out, building taste, and stacking reps? How do you protect the “invincible summer” in you when the studio feels cold, the market feels loud, and your mind starts running worst-case scenarios? We also linger on the difference between being discovered and being ready, and why preparation beats panic every time. Then we get into confidence and evolution. “Act like you belong” isn’t fake swagger, it’s a quiet claim to your seat at the table if you’re doing the work. And Joni Mitchell’s advice cuts straight through the fear of changing your style: stay the same and get crucified, change and get crucified, so you might as well keep it interesting. We close with a challenge we all need: notice the work you’re avoiding, because it might be the work that matters most. If this conversation lights a fire, subscribe, share it with an artist friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show. What’s one piece of work you’re going to start or finish this week? Send us a message - we would love to hear from you! Make sure to follow us on Instagram here: @justmakeartpodcast   @tynathanclark   @nathanterborg Watch the Video Episode on Youtube or Spotify, https://www.youtube.com/@JustMakeArtPodcast

    How Cameron Crowe’s Memoir Teaches Artists To Keep Going
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A conversation about making art and the artist's journey with Ty Nathan Clark and Nathan Terborg, two artists trying to navigate the art world, just like you. In each episode, the duo chooses a quote from a known artist and uses it as a springboard for discussion. Through their conversations, Ty and Nathan explore the deeper meaning of the quote and how it can be applied to the artists studio practice. They share their own personal stories and struggles as artists, and offer practical advice and tips for overcoming obstacles and achieving artistic success. Whether you're a seasoned artist or just starting out, "Just Make Art" provides valuable insights and inspiration to help you navigate the creative process and bring your artistic vision to life. With their engaging and conversational style, Ty and Nathan create a welcoming space for listeners to explore their own artistic passions and learn from two artists working hard to navigate the art world.

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