The Marketing Misfits

The Marketing Misfits

Discussion with the greatest minds in business today in a casual format. Kevin King and Norman Farrar dig into the stories that make up some of the most forward thinking entrepreneurial minds and the pivotal moments along their roads to success. Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

  1. 1D AGO

    The New AI-SEO Playbook: Dominate AI Search Results in 2026 | Tracy Graziani

    In this episode of Marketing Misfits, Norm Farrar and Kevin King sit down with Tracy Graziani, founder of Green Fire Strategy, to break down why companies stall after early traction, why “hypergrowth” can actually be dangerous, and how the best teams scale through process, empathy, and consistency, not rockstar hires. Tracy explains how real growth comes from aligning sales, marketing, and service into one seamless customer experience, and why most companies don’t have a strategy at all, they have a list of tactics. They also dive deep into the biggest shift happening right now: AI is creating more content than ever, but most of it is junk. The brands that win next will be the ones who use AI for analysis and insight, not just generation. Chapters 00:00 AI SEO Playbook Intro 04:42 Meet Tracy Graziani 08:33 Focus on What Works 12:29 Team Performance 16:34 Learning Mindset 20:38 Process Tangibility 25:18 Pain Points & Promise 30:22 AI Content Quality 34:09 Customer Pain Points 40:33 AI Streamlines Research 44:24 Consistent AEO Themes 48:04 Strong Opinions Work 53:24 CRM Automation Power 57:13 Growth Plan Strategy ️ 01:02:08 Customer Service Role 01:06:08 Marketing Misfits ️ This episode covers: - Why “SEO is dead” has been said since 1996 - What AI is actually changing in marketing - Why AEO experts are mostly guessing - Why process beats personality - Why competent teams outperform outlier hires - Why retention and service are the real growth levers - How to do persona research the right way - How AI tools like NotebookLM change research forever - What content still works in 2026 If you’re building a business, scaling a team, or trying to future-proof your marketing for AI search, this is one of the most practical episodes you’ll hear. Guest Tracy Graziani Founder, Green Fire Strategy (Cleveland, Ohio) Website: greenfirestrategy.com LinkedIn: Tracy Graziani Topics Covered - Systems and SOPs that actually get used - Good growth vs bad growth - Why churn kills scaling - Sales process vs rockstar salespeople - Persona research and customer interviews - AI content “slop” and why quality wins - What SEO tactics stop working - What content wins in AI search - Original research, opinions, and POV content - HubSpot explained in plain English - Why most companies don’t have a strategy Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

    1h 8m
  2. FEB 10

    How a Joke Turned Into a Cigar Empire... | Brandon Wells

    Some of the best business ideas don’t come from a boardroom. They come from a slow conversation, a shared experience, and a product that forces you to sit down and actually talk. In this episode of Marketing Misfits, Norm Farrar and Kevin King sit down with Brandon Wells (aka Cigar Mechanic) to break down what a cigar broker actually does, how cigar brands grow without in-house reps, and why the cigar industry is still one of the most relationship-driven markets left. Brandon explains how he accidentally turned an Instagram handle into a real business, how cigar manufacturers choose between brokers vs in-house reps, and why “story” sells more than packaging in premium categories. This is also a surprisingly practical episode for anyone in e-commerce, DTC, or brand building, because the cigar world exposes a truth most modern marketers ignore: People don’t buy products. They buy the experience behind them. What You’ll Learn - What a cigar broker actually does - The 3 ways cigar brands sell - Why relationships beat packaging - How Brandon built Cigar Mechanic - The key question he asks brands - Why cigar lounges are loss leaders - What most cigar shops do wrong - How placement drives sales - Why limited releases fail - The real “cigar culture” advantage - The surprising psychology of memory + products - Why the cigar industry is behind in marketing - How demographics really work in cigars - Why value is personal (even at $300) This episode is brought to you by: - Sellerboard: https://sellerboard.com/misfits - House of AMZ: Elevate your brand today at https://www.amazonseo.com/ - 8fig: Get 25% off 8fig off at https://8fig.co - Stack Influence: Use code MISFITS for 10% off at https://stackinfluence.com/ - Levanta: Get 20% off Levanta's gold plan and book your call today - https://get.levanta.io/misfits Timestamps: 00:00 What Is a Cigar Broker? 03:54 Meet Brandon Wells 05:07 How Cigar Mechanic Started 06:41 The “God Moment” 08:43 Cigar Broker Explained 09:28 3 Ways Brands Sell 12:30 Brandon’s Territory Strategy 13:44 The Interview Filter 15:59 The Million-Dollar Question 18:12 The Worst Cigar Lesson 23:11 Story Beats the Product 28:12 The Cigar Culture Effect 33:49 Why Canada Kills Lounges 49:56 How Lounges Make Money Guest: Brandon Wells (Cigar Mechanic) Cigar broker, marketer, and founder Instagram: @cigarmechanic YouTube: Cigar Mechanic YouTube: Voodoo Monkey Garage About Marketing Misfits Marketing Misfits is hosted by Norm Farrar and Kevin King and features real conversations with operators, founders, and marketers. New episodes every Tuesday. Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

    1h 13m
  3. FEB 3

    Why You Feel Stuck as an Entrepreneur | James Friel

    Entrepreneurs don’t burn out because they lack ideas. They burn out because they stay stuck doing work they should have left years ago. In this episode of Marketing Misfits, Norm Farrar and Kevin King sit down with James Friel, founder of 57 Hats, to break down why growing businesses start bleeding time, money, and energy and how founders can systematically escape roles that are holding them back. James Friel explains why most businesses suffer from waste, poor role clarity, weak systems, and misaligned hiring, and why entrepreneurs must treat themselves like temporary “special forces”: build the system, extract yourself, and move on to the next constraint. This is a practical, operator-level conversation about systems, hiring, delegation, performance management, and building businesses that can actually run without you. If you’re wearing too many hats, struggling to hire, or wondering why revenue keeps growing but profits don’t, this episode will feel uncomfortably accurate. Chapters 00:00 Entrepreneurs Die Inside 01:04 The Spider Prank Story 03:39 Meet James Friel 07:20 Businesses That Are Bleeding 08:32 Value vs Waste Explained 11:01 The Hiring Rollercoaster 12:11 Work Your Strengths 14:09 Know Your Real Profits 16:04 Build Systems First 18:47 The Special Forces Role 21:48 Buy Back Your Time 23:41 The Five Business Pillars 27:26 Agency vs In-House 31:09 Teams Aren’t Families 36:18 Fixing Broken Businesses 48:31 Inside 57 Hats 59:17 Why Letting Go Is Hard What You’ll Learn - Why entrepreneurs “die inside” when they stay stuck too long - The difference between value creation vs waste in a business - When to hire, outsource, or automate (and how to decide) - Why founders should buy back their time aggressively - How to identify $10, $100, $1,000, and $10,000 tasks- - Why most entrepreneurs are bad managers and what to do instead - How to escape the hire–fire roller coaster - Why systems matter more than effort - People, processes, and tools explained clearly - How poor role clarity kills otherwise good teams - Why managing outcomes beats managing tasks - The truth about “we’re a family” culture at work - Why teams must change as businesses grow - How poor performance management causes massive waste - Why almost no business is ever “perfect” - How clarity fixes most operational problems - Why letting go is the hardest (and most important) skill - Why most small businesses never sell and how to avoid that fate About the Guest James is a systems-focused operator and the creator of 57 Hats, a hands-on framework and physical product designed to help founders identify which roles they should keep, delegate, or eliminate entirely. About Marketing Misfits Marketing Misfits features honest, unfiltered conversations with founders, operators, and marketers who build real businesses without buzzwords or fluff. Hosted by Norm Farrar and Kevin King. New episodes every Tuesday. Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

    1h 9m
  4. JAN 27

    The Shopify Mistake That Costs Amazon Sellers Thousands... | Scott Cunningham

    Amazon sellers are waking up to a reality shift. Owning customer data. Building lifetime value. Controlling email, retention, and repeat buyers. And unlocking Shopify’s edge as AI, LLM search, and agentic commerce change how people shop. In this episode of Marketing Misfits, Shopify expert Scott Cunningham breaks down why Amazon sellers are moving to Shopify, how to build a real brand instead of chasing products, and how storytelling, hooks, and ad positioning drive sustainable growth. We dive into Shopify vs Amazon, email as an ATM, lifetime value economics, ad testing frameworks, TBIF storytelling, AI-powered copywriting, AEO optimization, and the future of ecommerce discovery through ChatGPT and agentic browsers. If you sell on Amazon, Shopify, TikTok Shop, Walmart, or DTC, this episode gives you a blueprint to build brand equity, retention, and scalable growth. Chapters 00:00 Why Amazon Sellers Need Shopify 02:29 Shopify vs Amazon Business Models 05:13 Meet Scott Cunningham 07:25 Amazon vs Shopify Mindset Shift 15:08 The Shopify “Scrappy Middle” 16:02 Email as a Revenue Engine 17:09 Why Shopify Beats Other Platforms 20:18 Shopify Apps and Store Flexibility 22:42 Founder Storytelling for Sales 24:07 TBIF Offer Framework 32:25 Ad Testing Like “Omelet Experiments” 34:38 Creative Testing Tools vs Ads 39:52 Meta Ads vs Google Strategy 41:36 AI Search, AEO, and Shopify Advantage 45:03 The Future of AI-Driven Shopping 59:00 Building Community and Retention 1:04:00 Scott’s StorySelling AI Tool 1:07:36 Shopify Growth Takeaways About Marketing Misfits: Marketing Misfits features unfiltered conversations with operators, founders, and marketers who build real businesses through trust, distribution, and execution. Hosted by Norm Farrar and Kevin King. New episodes every Tuesday. This episode is brought to you by: - Sellerboard: https://sellerboard.com/misfits - House of AMZ: Elevate your brand today at https://www.amazonseo.com/ - 8fig: Get 25% off 8fig off at https://8fig.co - Stack Influence: Use code MISFITS for 10% off at https://stackinfluence.com/ - Levanta: Get 20% off Levanta's gold plan and book your call today - https://get.levanta.io/misfits Resources & Mentions Scott’s StorySelling AI https://merchantmastery.io/gpt Merchant Mastery Program https://merchantmastery.io Marketing Misfits Podcast https://marketingmisfits.co Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

    1h 10m
  5. JAN 20

    Why Most Paid Communities Suck... | Jordan DiPietro

    Most creators focus on attention.The smart ones turn that attention into trust. And trust creates optionality. In this episode of Marketing Misfits, Norm Farrar and Kevin King sit down with Jordan DiPietro to break down how content becomes trust, how trust becomes community, and why the best communities can charge $10,000–$25,000 per year without hurting conversions. Jordan has built at the center of some of the most influential media and community brands in the world. He spent nearly 13 years at The Motley Fool, became CEO of The Hustle before its acquisition by HubSpot, ran HubSpot’s media division, and later served as CEO of Hampton, one of the most exclusive private tech communities. This is a deep, tactical conversation on community design, pricing, trust, vetting, retention, and monetization, not theory. If you’re building a newsletter, podcast, paid community, mastermind, or founder-led brand, this episode gives you the real playbook. What You’ll Learn - Why attention without trust is worthless - The difference between an audience and a community - How The Hustle turned content into leverage - Why newsletters are still one of the strongest trust channels - Content → trust → optionality explained - Community vs mastermind (and why it matters) - How Hampton vetted members and rejected 50–60% of applicants - Why most paid communities fail after launch - The biggest pricing mistakes founders make - How to decide between $1K, $10K, or $25K pricing Guest Jordan DiPietro Former CEO of The Hustle Former Media Lead at HubSpot Former CEO of Hampton Newsletter writer, advisor, and founder coach Website & newsletter:https://jordandipietro.com/ Chapters 00:00 Content Creates Optionality 01:40 Meet Jordan D. Petro 04:24 From Motley Fool to Hustle 08:15 Are Newsletters Saturated? 12:46 Audience vs Community 15:01 Monetizing Trust Correctly 18:56 Community vs Mastermind 20:42 Vetting Members Matters 24:33 How Communities Stay Engaged 27:02 Do You Need IRL Events? 31:32 Why Founders Are the Funnel 33:49 Why Communities Fail 34:42 Pricing a $10K Community 56:38 Growing a Newsletter Long-Term About Marketing Misfits: Marketing Misfits features unfiltered conversations with operators, founders, and marketers who build real businesses through trust, distribution, and execution. Hosted by Norm Farrar and Kevin King. New episodes every Tuesday. This episode is brought to you by: - Sellerboard: https://sellerboard.com/misfits - House of AMZ: Elevate your brand today at https://www.amazonseo.com/ - 8fig: Get 25% off 8fig off at https://8fig.co - Stack Influence: Use code MISFITS for 10% off at https://stackinfluence.com/ - Levanta: Get 20% off Levanta's gold plan and book your call today - https://get.levanta.io/misfits If you’re serious about building authority, monetizing trust, and creating leverage through content, subscribe so you don’t miss future episodes. Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

    1h 5m
  6. JAN 13

    Secret AI Shortcuts Your Competitors Use Daily... | Rachel Woods

    Most companies are using AI wrong. They think it’s about cutting staff or automating a few tasks. But the real power of AI is something much bigger. In this episode of Marketing Misfits, Norm Farrar and Kevin King sit down with Rachel Woods, one of the world’s top AI operations experts, to show how businesses are turning their internal playbooks into AI-powered systems that can run entire workflows on autopilot. Rachel previously worked on the early transformer technology behind modern AI while at Facebook, then built and sold a VC-backed startup before launching her AI operations agency. Today, she helps companies replace weeks of manual work with AI systems that run in hours. They break down what “AI operators” really are, how agentic AI works, and why companies that fail to build internal playbooks will get wiped out as models improve. This is not theory. You will hear exactly how an agency replaced a 3-week influencer vetting process with an AI system that runs in hours, plus how Amazon sellers, agencies, and SaaS companies can apply the same playbook. What you’ll learn • What “AI operations” actually means • Why SOPs are more valuable than software • How AI agents differ from basic automation • How to turn your workflows into AI playbooks • How companies are replacing entire departments with AI systems • How long it really takes to deploy agentic AI • What AI will be capable of in the next 6–12 months • How to avoid building on tools that get wiped out by model updates • How to future-proof your business using playbooks instead of platforms Timestamps 00:00 AI replaces a 3-week workflow 01:01 Marketing Misfits intro 02:12 The spider prank story 04:01 Meet Rachel Woods 06:46 Facebook AI background 07:31 What is a transformer? 09:29 From Facebook to startup 11:09 Why ChatGPT changed everything 12:39 What AI operations means 14:38 How AI playbooks are built 16:25 Can you trust AI agents? 18:14 AI vs downsizing teams 20:52 Automation vs true AI 26:14 How Claude rewrote software jobs 47:25 Influencer vetting case study This episode is brought to you by: - Sellerboard: https://sellerboard.com/misfits - House of AMZ: Elevate your brand today at https://www.amazonseo.com/ - 8fig: Get 25% off 8fig off at https://8fig.co - Stack Influence: Use code MISFITS for 10% off at https://stackinfluence.com/ - Levanta: Get 20% off Levanta's gold plan and book your call today - https://get.levanta.io/misfits About the guest Rachel Woods is the founder of an AI operations agency and the creator of The Exchange, a training platform for AI operators. She previously worked on transformer-based AI systems at Facebook and later built and sold a VC-backed startup using GPT before ChatGPT went mainstream. She now helps companies build AI systems that replace entire workflows instead of just single tasks. Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

    1h 10m
  7. JAN 6

    Why Landing Pages Are Failing in 2025 | Luca Borreani

    Landing pages alone don’t convert like they used to. In this episode of Marketing Misfits, Norm Farrar and Kevin King sit down with Luca Borreani, founder of ZipChat.ai, to break down why conversational marketing is replacing static funnels and how AI chat is quietly becoming one of the biggest conversion unlocks in e-commerce. Consumers now spend hours talking to ChatGPT, asking detailed questions before buying. This episode explains why that behavior is bleeding directly into shopping behavior, and why brands that rely only on landing pages, FAQs, and analytics are missing what actually stops conversions. This is a deep, practical conversation about last-mile conversion, removing buyer doubt, and how chat data reveals insights that analytics never will. What You’ll Learn: - Why landing pages alone are no longer enough - How conversational marketing removes last-minute buyer doubts - Why people trust chat more than static copy - The biggest copy mistake hurting conversions - How small headline changes massively impact results - Why analytics can’t reveal real buyer objections - How chat uncovers hidden conversion blockers - The difference between traffic and real intent - Why product-market fit still beats everything - How affiliate marketing sharpened modern conversion skills Timestamps 00:00 Landing Pages Are Failing 01:40 Why Chat Converts 03:30 Meet Luca Borreani 08:00 Affiliate Skills That Matter 12:00 Copywriting Drives Conversions 21:05 The Last-Mile Problem 24:30 Conversational Marketing Wins 26:50 Analytics Miss Buyer Doubts 30:00 Training AI Conversations 33:45 Chat Reveals Hidden Objections 40:35 Why Users Trust Chat 49:45 WhatsApp Marketing Power 56:00 Agentic Commerce Future This episode is brought to you by: - Sellerboard: https://sellerboard.com/misfits - House of AMZ: Elevate your brand today at https://www.amazonseo.com/ - 8fig: Get 25% off 8fig off at https://8fig.co - Stack Influence: Use code MISFITS for 10% off at https://stackinfluence.com/ - Levanta: Get 20% off Levanta's gold plan and book your call today - https://get.levanta.io/misfits Guest Luca Borreani Founder, ZipChat.ai Conversion science, conversational commerce, AI marketing Website: https://zipchat.ai LinkedIn: Luca Boreanni Email: luca@zipchat.ai About Marketing Misfits Marketing Misfits features unfiltered conversations with founders, operators, and marketers who actually build and scale businesses. Hosted by Norm Farrar and Kevin King. New episodes every Tuesday. Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

    1h 9m
  8. 12/30/2025

    How Agentic AI Will 10x Your Business in 2025... | Dan Ashburn

    If you teach, coach, sell information, or run an online business, this episode is a wake-up call. In this episode of Marketing Misfits, Norm Farrar and Kevin King sit down with Dan Ashburn, founder of Titan Network, to break down how AI, agentic systems, personal brand, and community are reshaping marketing, e-commerce, and education at a speed most businesses are not prepared for. Dan explains why creators, educators, and consultants who don’t integrate AI into real-time execution will end up like Blockbuster, while those who do will build the next Netflix. This is a deep, practical conversation about what’s actually changing, what still matters, and where the real leverage is right now. This is not surface-level AI hype. It’s about systems, trust, proof, and execution. What You’ll Learn: - Why AI must deliver learning while users take action - The real difference between agents and agentic systems - Why trust in AI answers is already outperforming Google search - How AEO (AI Engine Optimization) is driving 10–15% conversion rates - Why community matters more in an AI-driven, non-personal world - How Titan Network structures masterminds by business maturity - Why authenticity and proof now outperform hype marketing - How personal brand beats company brand at the top of funnel - Why “standing for something” is required to build community - How polarization helps cut through AI-generated noise - The biggest shifts in performance marketing over the last 5 years - Why content volume now matters more than polish - How AI is collapsing weeks of work into hours - Where AI avatars, IP, and personal brand are heading next - What most people misunderstand about compliance and AI - How businesses should realistically get started with agents - Why AI will reward early adopters and widen the gap fast 00:00 Intro 03:56 Introducing Dan Ashburn 04:54 Dan’s Early SEO and Affiliate Marketing Days 09:39 From Trouble to the Military and Business Discipline 12:57 Discovering Amazon and Escaping Agency Life 15:25 China Trips and the Birth of Titan Network 16:25 What Titan Network Is and Why It Works 18:18 Proof, Credibility, and Selling High-Ticket Communities 24:20 How to Build a Community in an AI World 30:27 Major Shifts in Performance Marketing 33:45 How AI Is Compressing Marketing Timelines 39:46 Personal Brand as the New IP 49:25 What Agentic AI Actually Means 01:00:18 AI Compliance, Risk, and Regulation Reality Dan Ashburn Founder, Titan Network E-commerce, AI systems, performance marketing Instagram: @danashburnuk Email: dan@titannetwork.com Website: https://titannetwork.com About Marketing Misfits Marketing Misfits features real conversations with operators, founders, and marketers who actually build businesses — not just talk about them. Hosted by Norm Farrar and Kevin King. New episodes every Tuesday. Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

    1h 11m
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Discussion with the greatest minds in business today in a casual format. Kevin King and Norman Farrar dig into the stories that make up some of the most forward thinking entrepreneurial minds and the pivotal moments along their roads to success. Hosted on Ausha. See ausha.co/privacy-policy for more information.

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