The Thing We Never Talk About

Timothy Iseler

The Thing We Never Talk About is an educational podcast about personal finance for creatives and other weirdos. We'll discuss managing cash flow with a lumpy income, when to save & when to invest, and how to reduce stress & build confidence when it comes to your money. No hot stock tips, no complicated strategies, and no finance bro jargon. We'll hear from artists, musicians, creative professionals, and other weirdos about how they navigate these questions for themselves. The Thing We Never Talk About is hosted by Timothy Iseler, CFP®, a former recording & touring audio engineer with 18 years experience in the music industry.

  1. 1d ago

    Paul Dalen – Tour Manager & Tour Accountant

    In this episode, Tim sits down with tour manager & tour accountant Paul Dalen for a candid conversation about money, career, and what it actually takes to make retirement a real possibility after decades on the road. Paul traces a career that has taken him from front of house audio engineering to production management to artist management and back to touring, including a period about 15 years ago when he found himself broke and starting over from scratch in his mid-50s. He talks openly about what that reset taught him, how a combination of fiscal discipline and good fortune in the markets turned things around, and why he thinks the touring industry's culture of financial avoidance does real damage to the people in it. Paul's question for Tim: When might an S corp or any other corporate entity be worth considering for freelancers? Key Takeaways: Paul has spent his entire adult life in the music industry, moving across roles from front of house engineer to production manager to artist manager to tour manager — a career arc shaped more by relationships and opportunity than by deliberate planning.His approach to underpaid gigs early in his career was to say yes for a short run while making clear it wasn't his normal rate, a move that consistently led to better opportunities.After his artist management business failed around 15 years ago, Paul found himself broke in his mid-50s and returned to touring with his tail between his legs. His path back to financial stability was built on basic principles — budgeting, fiscal discipline, and consistent investing.He advises people new to investing to just start somewhere, even imperfectly, rather than waiting until they fully understand how to optimize.Paul's approach to spending is experiential rather than material: theater, travel, good meals occasionally, and tickets to shows he wants to see. He also notes that not eating out regularly has been one of the quieter contributors to financial stability over the years.Links: Send me a question to be answered on a future episode. Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.

    Paul Dalen – Tour Manager & Tour Accountant

  2. Sep 28

    Saving Money vs. Building Wealth

    Money has different jobs depending on when you need it — and confusing what works for one timeline with what works for another is one of the most common financial mistakes. In this solo episode, Tim walks through the difference between saving money and building wealth, using this definition of wealth as a guide: the ability to do what you want, when you want, with whom you want, for as long as you want. From cash savings for short-term needs, to CDs and Treasury bills for medium-term goals, to stock market investing for long-term goals like retirement, Tim lays out a simple framework for how matching your money to its purpose builds wealth both now and later. One Key Takeaway: Saving money and building wealth are not the same thing. Match your money to its timeline: cash for the short term, stable interest-bearing accounts or investments for the medium term, and stock market investing for the long term. Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode. Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.

    Saving Money vs. Building Wealth

  3. Sep 21

    Serena Lander - Tattoo Artist

    In this episode, Tim sits down with Serena Lander — self-employed artist, tattoo artist, and owner of a multi-unit property — for a conversation about building a creative life on your own terms. Serena traces her path from tattooing as a teenager in British Columbia, when she was one of only a handful of women in the craft in North America, through nearly four decades of working entirely for herself. She talks openly about her ambivalent feelings towards money and the practical decisions that have shaped her financial life like keeping overhead low and investing in things she actually believes in. It's a conversation about finding your own version of financial stability without abandoning the values that drew you to a creative life in the first place. Serena's question for Tim: Can you share some ideas about setting goals in life and trying to engage more enthusiastically with your finances? I wish there was a way to make it more sparkly for myself so that I would do it. Key Takeaways: Serena started tattooing at 19 in British Columbia at a time when there were only a handful of women doing it in all of North America.She has spent her entire career working for herself, supported early on by keeping her overhead extremely low.Buying a house at the bottom of the market in 2011 and gradually subdividing it into four rental units has turned into a financial foundation she didn't originally plan for, with rental income now covering her mortgage.Serena reflects on the punk rock and alternative music community's cultural aversion to money, and how that narrative — money as part of the system, financial participation as selling out — has made it harder for people in those communities to build long-term stability.She finds it easier to engage with financial decisions when they are tangible and values-aligned, like adding solar panels to her house.Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode. Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter. Serena Lander on Instagram Serena Lander's website

    Serena Lander - Tattoo Artist

  4. Sep 14

    Case Study: Paying Off Mortgage vs Investing

    Should you pay off your mortgage early or invest the money instead? In this solo episode, Tim walks through a real case study involving a couple who received a significant one-time windfall and want to know how to use it wisely. He compares three options — investing the full amount right away, paying off the mortgage entirely, or splitting the difference — across a twenty-year time line, and shares what the numbers actually revealed. The results might surprise you, and one of the most important factors turns out to be one that doesn't show up in any spreadsheet. One Key Takeaway: When comparing paying off debt versus investing, the math usually favors investing — but only if you can actually stick to your investment plan over many years and decades. Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode.Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.

    Case Study: Paying Off Mortgage vs Investing

  5. Sep 7

    Richard Dansky - Game Narrative Expert

    In this episode, Tim sits down with Richard Dansky — game narrative expert, fiction writer, and tabletop role-playing game designer — for a wide-ranging conversation about building a creative career across multiple formats and revenue streams. Richard traces his path from tabletop games starting in the '90s through nearly three decades of video game work, including a long tenure as the central narrative resource for Ubisoft's Tom Clancy franchise, while continuing to write fiction, contribute to tabletop games, and co-author a graphic novel along the way. He talks candidly about the economics of that kind of career: how he thinks about rates across different formats, why he has always lived well below his means, and why he wishes more writers understood their own professional value. He also shares hard-won wisdom about navigating rejection and knowing when to walk away from a bad deal. Richard's question for Tim: How do you think  about melding various revenue streams, as these days every author's got to have a Patreon/Substack/YouTube channel/podcast/newsletter/online store/convention presence etc. Key Takeaways: Richard describes his entry into both tabletop and video games as largely relationship-driven — a reminder that in creative industries, showing up, being reliable, and knowing the right people often matters as much as talent.He has maintained a remarkable ability to work across multiple formats simultaneously: video games by day, tabletop and fiction by night — treating each as a distinct creative sandbox with its own rules and rewards.Richard's fiction acceptance rate is around 3.7%, which he notes is listed as above average. It's a useful reminder that rejection is the norm in creative work, not a signal of failure.Richard describes the best financial habit of his career as consistently spending well below his means, and how knowing he can afford his lifestyle frees up mental and creative energy.He argues that writers and narrative designers are frequently underpaid because the value of their work is hard to quantify, and that the industry actively works to make creative professionals feel their contributions are worth less than they are.Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode.Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.Richard's websiteRichard's LinkedIn profile, where he shares insight on game narrative designThe issue of Dark Yonder in which I first learned about Richard

    Richard Dansky - Game Narrative Expert

  6. Aug 31

    What Happens to Your Money When You Do Nothing?

    Doing nothing with your money feels safe — but it comes with real costs, both financial and emotional. In this episode, Tim explains why cash is essential for short-term stability but loses value over time to inflation, and why investing anything beyond your cash reserve is one of the most important financial moves you can make. He also explores two emotional patterns that keep people stuck: "the leaky bucket", where money slowly disappears without intention, and the "but what comes next" mindset, where fear of making the wrong decision leads to making no decision at all. The solution to both, it turns out, is the same: define how much cash you actually need, stick to that number, and put everything above it to work for you through investing. One Key Takeaway: Making no decision for what to do with your money is itself a decision — and it usually costs you. Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode.Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.

    What Happens to Your Money When You Do Nothing?

  7. Aug 24

    Angela Hugghins - Esthetician & Owner of Cult of Reason

    In this episode, Tim sits down with Angela Hugghins, esthetician & founder of Cult of Reason skincare, for a wide-ranging conversation about what it looks like to build multiple businesses on your own terms. Angela shares how she structured her solo practice to protect her hands, her energy, and her lifestyle after nearly 30 years in the industry, why she made a significant price jump despite fears of losing clients, and how she thinks about the break-even math before introducing any new product or equipment. She also talks candidly about the origins of Cult of Reason, the unexpected challenges of running a product business, and the recent purchase of a commercial building to house her businesses and generate rental income. Angela's question for Tim: Now that we're landlords, what are the tax advantages of owning commercial real estate, how do we maximize rental income, and what other ways can we benefit from this new structure? Key Takeaways: Angela capped her working days at four per week after years of overworking, a deliberate lifestyle decision driven by the physical demands of her craft.She hired a virtual assistant who spends just 30 minutes a day managing her emails and client communications — a small investment that she says has paid off in stress reduction far beyond its dollar cost.After building a wait list of over 200 clients, Angela made a significant price increase, gave clients three months of advance notice without disclosing the exact amount, and lost only three or four people as a result.Angela launched Cult of Reason to recreate a discontinued product she had relied on, starting with a single formula developed over two years through a custom cosmetics lab, funded entirely out of pocket.She describes Cult of Reason as a passion project that is now self-funding, and identifies supply chain disruptions and tariffs on imported ingredients as challenges she hadn't anticipated when she started.Links: Send me a question to be answered on a future episode. Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter. Cult of Reason Skincare Cult of Reason on YouTube

    Angela Hugghins - Esthetician & Owner of Cult of Reason

  8. Jul 6

    Is This About The Money?

    A surprising amount of what looks like a money problem is actually something else wearing a money costume. Tim shares a story from his early touring days, when a tour manager's blunt question — "Is this about the money, or is it something else?" — cut through a negotiation in under a minute. He applies that same question to financial planning, using the common example of someone wondering if they're saving enough for retirement: the real issue often isn't the math, it's an unresolved question about priorities. Tim walks through a framework for looking past the numbers to identify what you actually want, then reframing that priority as a matter of identity rather than obligation — a shift that makes it far easier to stick with a plan. One Key Takeaway: Before assuming a financial question is just a matter of getting the numbers right, ask whether there's a deeper question hiding underneath it. Links:Send me a question to be answered on a future episode.Sign up for the Keep It Easy newsletter.

    Is This About The Money?
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The Thing We Never Talk About is an educational podcast about personal finance for creatives and other weirdos. We'll discuss managing cash flow with a lumpy income, when to save & when to invest, and how to reduce stress & build confidence when it comes to your money. No hot stock tips, no complicated strategies, and no finance bro jargon. We'll hear from artists, musicians, creative professionals, and other weirdos about how they navigate these questions for themselves. The Thing We Never Talk About is hosted by Timothy Iseler, CFP®, a former recording & touring audio engineer with 18 years experience in the music industry.

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  • Creator
    Timothy Iseler
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    75
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Timothy Iseler

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