Jung in the World

Patricia Martin

Jung in the World podcast has brought together some of the most original minds of our time, MacArthur fellows, bestselling authors, mythologists, cultural icons, and groundbreaking psychoanalysts to talk about what it means to make a world that sustains an inner life. With nearly two million downloads since its launch in 2020, the podcast offers penetrating conversations at the intersection of psychology, culture, and contemporary life. Guests have included Judith Herman, Mark Nepo, Natalie Goldberg, Lewis Hyde, Richard Tarnas, Megan O’Gieblyn, and Jungian analysts James Hollis and Murray Stein. Hosted by Patricia Martin. A production of the Institute for Psyche and Culture.

  1. Mar 24

    Jung in the World | Traumatic Narcissism, Cult Survival, and Reclaiming Dignity with Daniel Shaw, LCSW

    Psychotherapist Daniel Shaw survived a decade in a cult — then spent 30 years helping victims of traumatic narcissism heal. He talks with host Patricia Martin about the mechanics of subjugation, why “no contact” isn’t always the answer, and how reclaiming dignity supports recovery. Keywords: Narcissism, narcissistic trauma, cult, psychology, recovery Daniel Shaw, LCSW, is a psychotherapist trained in psychoanalysis as well as in trauma-informed psychotherapies, including Sensorimotor Psychotherapy and Trauma-Informed Stabilization Treatment (TIST). He is in private practice in New York City and in Nyack, New York; and Faculty and Supervisor at The National Institute for the Psychotherapies in New York. In his book Traumatic Narcissism: Relational Systems of Subjugation, published by Routledge in 2014 for the Relational Perspectives Series and nominated for the prestigious Gradiva Award, Shaw introduced the traumatic narcissism theory. Shaw’s theory focuses on how the “traumatizing narcissist” manipulates victims, causing them to be fearful and insecure at the same time as they are becoming more and more dependent. Unlike with theories of pathological narcissism that focus on treating people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Shaw’s work focuses on helping victims of traumatizing narcissists recover their faith and trust in themselves. His book Traumatic Narcissism and Recovery: Leaving the Prison of Shame and Fear was published in 2021. In 2018, the International Cultic Studies Association awarded Dan the Margaret Thaler Singer Award for advancing the understanding of coercive persuasion and undue influence. A third book, Traumatic Narcissism Theory: A Contemporary Introduction, will be published in 2026. Shaw has for many years been teaching groups of mental health professionals how to understand and use the traumatic narcissism theory to help not only cult survivors, but survivors of all kinds of traumatic narcissistic abuse. Learn more at danielshawlcsw.com. Books by Daniel Shaw:

  2. Jan 28

    Jung in the World | Individuation at 75: Oliver Sacks’s Journey to Wholeness with Bill Hayes

    Individuation isn’t about becoming better. It’s about becoming whole. At 75, neurologist Oliver Sacks finally integrated the parts of himself he’d kept hidden—his sexuality, his need for love, his domestic life (who knew he kept a library of Jung’s work). Bill Hayes talks intimately about Sacks’s late-life transformation which exemplifies Jung’s crucial insight: growth isn’t about fixing what’s broken. It’s about integrating what you’ve exiled. The recipient of a Guggenheim Fellowship in nonfiction, Bill Hayes is a frequent contributor to the New York Times and the author of seven books, including Sleep Demons; Five Quarts; The Anatomist; Insomniac City; and How We Live Now: Scenes from the Pandemic.  His writing has also appeared in The Wall Street Journal, The New York Review of Books, the New York Times “T” Style Magazine, BuzzFeed, and The Guardian. His most recent book, SWEAT: A History of Exercise, a narrative nonfiction look at exercise from antiquity to the present, is available now wherever books are sold.  Hayes is also a photographer, with credits including The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, and the New York Times.  His portraits of his partner, the late Oliver Sacks, appear in the volume of Dr. Sacks’s suite of final essays Gratitude.  A collection of his street photography, How New York Breaks Your Heart, was published in 2018 by Bloomsbury.  His photographs are available for sale as limited edition prints exclusively by CLAMP art gallery in New York City. Books by Bill Hayes:

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Jung in the World podcast has brought together some of the most original minds of our time, MacArthur fellows, bestselling authors, mythologists, cultural icons, and groundbreaking psychoanalysts to talk about what it means to make a world that sustains an inner life. With nearly two million downloads since its launch in 2020, the podcast offers penetrating conversations at the intersection of psychology, culture, and contemporary life. Guests have included Judith Herman, Mark Nepo, Natalie Goldberg, Lewis Hyde, Richard Tarnas, Megan O’Gieblyn, and Jungian analysts James Hollis and Murray Stein. Hosted by Patricia Martin. A production of the Institute for Psyche and Culture.

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