Divorce with Carolyn

Carolyn Tate

Divorce with Carolyn is real talk for women about the hard parts of divorce and the beautiful life waiting on the other side. I've been through two divorces, spent years coaching women inside Women's Divorce Academy, and I'm here to be the divorce bestie you didn't know you needed — straight with you, cheering you on, and always bringing you back to what matters.

  1. Oct 20

    Divorcing a narcissist – 2 tools that can help

    It’s one of the words Carolyn hears most in the Women’s Divorce Academy community, and it’s the one that keeps the most women stuck. In this solo episode, Carolyn sets the diagnosis question aside – nobody can answer it from the outside, and it turns out you don’t need to – and asks a more useful one: is this how your ex behaves, and what do you do about it? She walks through how capable women end up in these relationships, what the pattern tends to look like once a separation is under way, and two techniques she has used herself for handling contact with a high-conflict ex. Then she explains why the real relief isn’t winning, and what it is instead. Nothing in this episode is a diagnosis. If you’re frightened of your ex, please go straight to the support links below. Key takeaways Only a psychologist or psychiatrist can diagnose narcissistic personality disorder, and your ex is unlikely to sit for it. The behaviour is the information, not the label.The intense, fast, flattering start to the relationship wasn’t a red flag you missed. Researchers have named the pattern, and the turn usually comes at the first disagreement.A stressed, frightened ex can behave badly for a while. A lifelong pattern that predates the separation is different. Disagreeing with you doesn’t make someone a narcissist.Grey rock: reply to logistics only, with no emotion, no explanation and no defence. Keep it for difficult situations, not dangerous ones.The perspex box: a way of managing contact on the inside, so what they say stops landing.The structural changes that take the fight out of the process – advice early, everything in one written channel, consent orders, child support through the agency, parallel parenting.You can only control what goes on in your home, in your head and in your thumbs. That’s enough.Mentioned in this episode The TRUST Method quiz – find out which of the five stages you’re in, free: womensdivorceacademy.com/trustWomen’s Divorce Academy membership: womensdivorceacademy.com/our-programServices Australia – child support: servicesaustralia.gov.au/child-supportFamily Advocacy and Support Services at the family court: fcfcoa.gov.au/fassIf you are not safe 1800RESPECT – 1800 737 732, 24 hoursIn an emergency, call 000Lifeline – 13 11 14Sources healthdirect – Narcissistic personality disorder: healthdirect.gov.au/conditions/mental-health-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder-npdMedlinePlus – Narcissistic personality disorder: medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000934.htmDhawan et al 2010, Prevalence and treatment of narcissistic personality disorder in the community: a systematic reviewPsychology Today – Love bombing: psychologytoday.com/us/basics/love-bombingChoosing Therapy – The grey rock method: choosingtherapy.com/grey-rock-methodSend Carolyn a text READY FOR MORE SUPPORT? Women's Divorce Academy offers expert divorce support and a friendly community of women who understand exactly what you're going through. Learn more about our membership and divorce support: womensdivorceacademy.com CONNECT WITH US: Instagram: @womensdivorceacademy  Facebook: Women's Divorce Academy SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If this episode helped you, subscribe to Divorce With Carolyn and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts - it helps other women find the show. Thank you!

    Divorcing a narcissist – 2 tools that can help
  2. Oct 14

    How to rebuild your life after an abusive relationship with Jo Mason

    Content note: This episode discusses domestic and family violence. If you need support, in Australia you can call 1800RESPECT on 1800 737 732 or visit 1800respect.org.au. Support services outside Australia are listed below. If you’re in immediate danger, call emergency services. There’s a lot of talk about leaving an abusive relationship. What comes after gets far less attention. Eleven years ago, Jo Mason’s life looked perfect from the outside. Behind closed doors, she was living with domestic violence. Today she runs Verdella, an online recovery program for people rebuilding after domestic violence, and hosts the Rise and Reclaim podcast. In this episode, Jo and Carolyn talk about the long stretch after leaving – how to work out where to start when everything feels like it’s spinning, how to rebuild a support network after isolation, and whether you need to put a name to what happened. Jo also shares the moment that shifted everything for her, and what she would say to the woman she was on the day she left. Key takeaways Safety comes first. Leaving needs careful planning, ideally with a specialist service or someone you trust who knows your situation.Recovery looks different for everyone. Mapping out the areas of your life – money, work, health, children, friendships – can show you where to focus first.Rebuilding happens one step at a time, and being gentle with yourself is part of the process.Reconnecting can start small: a message to an old friend, a book club, the local gym or coffee shop.You don’t owe anyone your story. You choose who you tell, and when.Naming what happened as domestic violence can be validating – and if you choose not to name it, that’s okay too.Asking for help can be a gift to the person you ask.Links Jo Mason Verdella – verdella.learnworlds.comWorkHaven – workhaven.com.auRise and Reclaim podcast – https://verdella.com.au/tl/rise-and-reclaimMentioned in this episode 1800RESPECT – 1800 737 732, including the online services finder at 1800respect.org.auCommBank Next Chapter – support for anyone worried about their finances because of domestic or family violence, whoever they bank with. 1800 222 387, commbank.com.au/nextchapterSupport outside Australia United States – National Domestic Violence Hotline, 1800 799 7233, thehotline.orgUnited Kingdom – National Domestic Abuse Helpline, 0808 2000 247, nationaldahelpline.org.ukNew Zealand – Women’s Refuge, 0800 733 843, womensrefuge.org.nzCanada – find a local shelter at sheltersafe.caSend Carolyn a text READY FOR MORE SUPPORT? Women's Divorce Academy offers expert divorce support and a friendly community of women who understand exactly what you're going through. Learn more about our membership and divorce support: womensdivorceacademy.com CONNECT WITH US: Instagram: @womensdivorceacademy  Facebook: Women's Divorce Academy SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If this episode helped you, subscribe to Divorce With Carolyn and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts - it helps other women find the show. Thank you!

    How to rebuild your life after an abusive relationship with Jo Mason
  3. Oct 5

    How to keep your legal costs down, with family lawyer Ella Hickman

    Carolyn spent a year believing she couldn't afford a lawyer, so she went without one. She now calls it a mistake – and an expensive one. This episode is about keeping the bill down, from someone who sends them. Perth family lawyer Ella Hickman walks through what legal help actually costs, what runs the meter up without a woman realising, and where to put your money when there isn't much of it. She's blunt about her own profession, including the point at which she tells a client to stop. The heart of it is a question Ella puts to any client weighing up a fight: what will chasing the difference cost you? Her answer takes in the asset pool, the years, and what children absorb from parents in conflict. If the price of legal advice has stopped you getting any, start here. Seven ways to keep your costs down Get advice before you agree to anything. Once your ex has a number in his head, shifting him is slow work – and slow is expensive.Do the prep yourself. Arrive with the shape of your asset pool, any existing parenting orders, and, if you want to keep the house, a broker's view of what you can borrow.Batch your emails. Every email gets read and billed. Ella's suggestion: keep a running note through the week, then send one.Don't use your lawyer as a counsellor. It's the most expensive therapy you'll ever buy, and she isn't trained for it.Take the advice you're paying for. Running an application your lawyer has warned you against can cost twice – your own fees, then a costs order for your ex's.Spend where it counts. When money is tight, Ella puts it into properly drafted initial documents, or into lawyer-assisted mediation.Do the commercial maths on "fair". Five percent of a $10 million pool is a different decision to 5% of $1 million.Where Ella practises Ella is based in Perth, and Western Australia has its own family court rather than sitting under the federal system. If you're in WA, she's a rare find. If you're elsewhere, the thinking in this episode still holds – check the detail of how it works in your own state or country. Links Ella Hickman, Hickman Family Lawyers, Perth – free 15-minute call and a reduced-rate first appointmentBefore You Agree to Anything – the financial toolkit with the asset and liability spreadsheet Carolyn mentionsFamily Court of Western Australia – for WA listenersFederal Circuit and Family Court of Australia – legal aid and community legal centre pathwaysFamily Relationship Advice Line – 1800 050 321Send Carolyn a text READY FOR MORE SUPPORT? Women's Divorce Academy offers expert divorce support and a friendly community of women who understand exactly what you're going through. Learn more about our membership and divorce support: womensdivorceacademy.com CONNECT WITH US: Instagram: @womensdivorceacademy  Facebook: Women's Divorce Academy SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If this episode helped you, subscribe to Divorce With Carolyn and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts - it helps other women find the show. Thank you!

    How to keep your legal costs down, with family lawyer Ella Hickman
  4. Sep 28

    The TRUST Method: your clear path through divorce

    Carolyn gets asked one question more than any other: where do I start? This episode is her answer – the TRUST Method, the five-stage path Women's Divorce Academy is built on, and the reason the order you do things in matters more than any single piece of advice you'll be given. She takes you through all five stages, and she's honest about the one she got badly wrong herself. A decision made in the first year after her separation cost her a full year of support she was entitled to. Another, made years before she ever thought about divorce, cost her something she didn't know she had. If divorce has arrived all at once and everyone has an opinion, this is the episode that sorts out what matters this week. Key takeaways Divorce doesn't come one question at a time, and most of the advice you'll be handed contradicts the restThe five stages of the TRUST Method: Take stock, Regroup, Untangle, Shape, ThriveFour threads run through every stage – legal, money, children and you – so nothing gets dropped while you deal with what's in front of youFinding out what advice costs before deciding you can't afford it can change the whole first yearIn the first weeks, the job is triage: safety, access to money, the children, your health, and initial legal adviceDecisions that look generous or harmless can carry consequences years down the trackWhere you are today isn't a grade – most women sit across two stages at onceMentioned in this episode The TRUST Method stage finder – free https://www.womensdivorceacademy.com/trustBefore You Agree to Anything – financial toolkit for property settlement: stellarcontent.thrivecart.com/know-before-you-sign/ Send Carolyn a text READY FOR MORE SUPPORT? Women's Divorce Academy offers expert divorce support and a friendly community of women who understand exactly what you're going through. Learn more about our membership and divorce support: womensdivorceacademy.com CONNECT WITH US: Instagram: @womensdivorceacademy  Facebook: Women's Divorce Academy SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If this episode helped you, subscribe to Divorce With Carolyn and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts - it helps other women find the show. Thank you!

    The TRUST Method: your clear path through divorce
  5. Sep 21

    Keep the ambition, lose the perfectionism: Mel Wilson on career and young kids after divorce

    When Carolyn started working at News Corp, Mel Wilson was her boss – a journalist who seemed to have everything together. Carolyn had no idea Mel was going through a separation too. Ten years on, Mel talks about what was happening underneath. A six-month-old and a three-and-a-half-year-old. A household budget sum that came out at zero. A job interview where she did something her future boss would call brave years later. An offer from her parents she tried very hard to refuse. Mel shares how she kept her career moving with young kids, what she had to let go of to do it, and why a year of dating experiments rebuilt her confidence. And she passes on a story Amanda Keller told her that changed how she thinks about parenting children who are growing up. Key takeaways Accepting help is part of getting through it. People who offer want to help, and saying yes lets them.Being upfront about your limits can work in your favour. Mel told her future boss exactly what she couldn't do, and still got the job.Some of the balls you're juggling are plastic and some are glass. Knowing which is which tells you what you can let drop.A few minutes between work and home – in the car, on the train – can change who walks through the door.Standards can shift for a season. The toast crumbs will still be on the bench when you get home.Dating again can be research. Mel's year of one date a month was mostly about working out what she wanted and learning to ask for it.There's no set role for a new partner in your children's lives. It's something you work out together, openly, over time.Links Mel Wilson Parenting in Progress: Imperfect advice for the biggest role of your life (HarperCollins) – https://harpercollins.com.au/products/9781460716083The Juggling Act podcast, co-hosted with Jules Robinson (back catalogue) – podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-juggling-act/id1198896352Mentioned in this episode The Third Space by Dr Adam Fraser – penguin.com.au/books/the-third-space-9781761043420The Zero F*cks Cookbook by Yumi Stynes (Hardie Grant) – https://publishing.hardiegrant.com/en-au/books/the-zero-f***s-cookbook-by-yumi-stynes/9781743793947Before You Agree to Anything – a financial toolkit for women heading into a property settlement. A$49. stellarcontent.thrivecart.com/know-before-you-sign/Send Carolyn a text READY FOR MORE SUPPORT? Women's Divorce Academy offers expert divorce support and a friendly community of women who understand exactly what you're going through. Learn more about our membership and divorce support: womensdivorceacademy.com CONNECT WITH US: Instagram: @womensdivorceacademy  Facebook: Women's Divorce Academy SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If this episode helped you, subscribe to Divorce With Carolyn and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts - it helps other women find the show. Thank you!

    Keep the ambition, lose the perfectionism: Mel Wilson on career and young kids after divorce
  6. Sep 14

    "He took everything so I got to start again": Di Geddes on cancer, divorce and rebuilding at 50

    A note on this episode: Di describes emotional and financial abuse in her marriage. If anything here lands close to home, the support services below are available any time. Di Geddes knew her marriage was in trouble on the day she married. She stayed for 21 years. What finally ended it wasn't a single moment – it was her eldest son standing in front of her and asking her to do something. By the time she left, Di had a breast cancer diagnosis behind her, no savings and no self-belief. In the years that followed she lost both her parents. Then, with $10,000 and a fair bit of bluff, she started a business. In this conversation Di tells Carolyn what it actually took to rebuild – the thing she had to let go of before anything could change, the friendship that carried her through, and why she now describes losing everything as the biggest gift she was ever given. Key takeaways Children see more than we think they do. Di stayed to hold the family unit together – it was her son who told her he couldn't live in the house any more.Erosion doesn't require violence. Di names the verbal and mental chipping away that left her with no self-esteem, no money and no sense of her own capability.Letting go of the anger wasn't the same as forgiving him. Di describes the moment in a church pew when she understood what carrying it was costing her.Grief doesn't wait its turn. Cancer, separation, both parents dying and two bullying workplaces inside a few years – and no space to feel any of it.Di's approach to falling apart: shut the blinds, cry for as long as you need, but know the date you're getting up again.Independence had to be built on purpose. When her eldest son moved overseas, Di had to go back and find the woman she'd been at 25.Starting a business in her fifties took a leap of faith and a clear set of values – she left a job she loved because the people running it were counting the money.Links mentioned Di Geddes – digeddes.com.auDi's memoir, Courage to Be Me – digeddes.com.auDi's home care and disability support business, Exceptional Care for You – exceptionalcareforyou.comBreast Cancer Network Australia – bcna.org.au1800RESPECT (family, domestic and sexual violence counselling, including emotional and financial abuse) – 1800respect.org.au or 1800 737 732Lifeline – 13 11 14A note on this episode: Di describes emotional and financial abuse in her marriage. If anything here lands close to home, the support services above are available any time. Send Carolyn a text READY FOR MORE SUPPORT? Women's Divorce Academy offers expert divorce support and a friendly community of women who understand exactly what you're going through. Learn more about our membership and divorce support: womensdivorceacademy.com CONNECT WITH US: Instagram: @womensdivorceacademy  Facebook: Women's Divorce Academy SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If this episode helped you, subscribe to Divorce With Carolyn and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts - it helps other women find the show. Thank you!

    "He took everything so I got to start again": Di Geddes on cancer, divorce and rebuilding at 50
  7. Sep 7

    Raising emotionally intelligent kids when you're doing it on your own

    Carolyn's children were twelve, six and four when she separated. They're teenagers and young adults now, and their verdict on divorced parents is two Christmases, more holidays, and the nuisance of footy boots left at the wrong house. The worry sits with the mothers. Stephanie Pinto is an emotional intelligence coach and paediatric anxiety therapist, and here she and Carolyn get practical: how to become the parent your children come to rather than the one they manage, the questions that open a child up when "how are you feeling" shuts them down, and what it means that the household culture is now yours to build. Plus the question Carolyn hears from women more than any other, about the house she doesn't control. Key takeaways Work on your own emotional intelligence before your children's. That doesn't mean staying calm – as Stephanie puts it, a permanently zen parent is a robot, not a human.Check-ins land best sideways. At tuck-in, or in the car on the way to sport. Sometimes nothing comes of it. Sometimes you get gold."Do you want solutions, or do you just want me to listen?" It's the question that makes you the parent your children come to when something goes wrong, rather than the one they manage around.Children will often discuss a friend's behaviour long before they'll discuss their own. Carolyn calls it the side door.Every family already has a culture, chosen or not. After separation you get to build yours on purpose – and it holds whether there's one adult in the house or two.Dr Ross Greene's principle that kids do well if they can. When something isn't working there's a reason, and the fix has to work for everyone under the roof.Rupture and repair is normal, expected and healthy. You can come back hours or days later and repair it. There is almost no cutoff.Links From Women's Divorce Academy What to say to your kids right now – a free guide covering under-fives, five to twelves and teenagers, including what to say when a child asks whose fault it is, how to be honest with a teenager without handing them adult detail, language for the handover and the day a child refuses to go, and what to do when the conversation goes badly. womensdivorceacademy.com/free-what-to-say-to-your-kidsThe values exercise Carolyn mentions is the first thing new members do inside the WDA membership. Join here: https://www.womensdivorceacademy.com/our-programThe Separated Mother's Toolkit – family lawyer interviews on parenting plans and binding agreements, a child support fact sheet, a Centrelink guide, a parenting schedule tracker and co-parenting scripts. A$49. stellarcontent.thrivecart.com/separated-mothers-toolkit/Stephanie Pinto Website: stephaniepinto.comHer book, From Chaos to Connection: How parenting with emotional intelligence raises kind, confident, resilient kidsHer podcast, Emotionally Intelligent ParentingHer Facebook group, Let's Raise Emotionally Intelligent KidsInstagram: @emotionally.intelligent.parentMentioned in this episode The feelings wheel – Dr Gloria Willcox's original, the one that breaks a broad state like "angry" into six more specific ones. Free printable PDF: https://judishouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Feeling-Wheel-Handouts.pdfDr Ross Greene – "kids do well if they can", and the Collaborative and Proactive Solutions approach: livesinthebalance.org Send Carolyn a text READY FOR MORE SUPPORT? Women's Divorce Academy offers expert divorce support and a friendly community of women who understand exactly what you're going through. Learn more about our membership and divorce support: womensdivorceacademy.com CONNECT WITH US: Instagram: @womensdivorceacademy  Facebook: Women's Divorce Academy SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If this episode helped you, subscribe to Divorce With Carolyn and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts - it helps other women find the show. Thank you!

    Raising emotionally intelligent kids when you're doing it on your own
  8. Aug 31

    Emotional intelligence for mums when your life is on fire

    Carolyn invited Stephanie Pinto on to talk about raising emotionally intelligent children. The conversation kept turning back to the mothers. Because emotional intelligence is straightforward enough to explain and almost impossible to practise when you're the one coming apart. When you're making decisions you don't fully understand, at a pace you didn't choose, with children who need you steady. Stephanie is an emotional intelligence coach and paediatric anxiety therapist. Here she unpicks why kindness without boundaries helps nobody, what happens in the seconds before you send a message you'll regret, and how to buy those seconds back. Carolyn shares the small administrative habit that changed the tone of her entire separation. And near the end, something about grief she hasn't said on this podcast before. Key takeaways Emotional intelligence has two halves – knowing what you're feeling, and recognising the other person has their own state going on. Empathy on its own isn't the whole skill.You can validate what someone feels without agreeing with them and without dropping the boundary. Those aren't in conflict.A limited emotional vocabulary costs more than it sounds like it should. "Mad" and "sad" don't tell you what's actually happening, in a child or in yourself.Solutions offered too early don't land. Not because the solution is wrong, but because the person isn't ready to hear it.The gap between reacting and responding is a skill rather than a personality trait. It can be built.Nothing you write down stays yours. Emails and texts can be read out in court, forwarded, or found by your children years later.Relief and grief turn up together. You can be certain you did the right thing and still be flattened by what you lost.Links Stephanie Pinto Website: stephaniepinto.comHer book, From Chaos to Connection: How parenting with emotional intelligence raises kind, confident, resilient kidsHer podcast, Emotionally Intelligent ParentingHer Facebook group, Let's Raise Emotionally Intelligent KidsInstagram: @emotionally.intelligent.parentMentioned in this episode The Separated Mother's Toolkit – family lawyer interviews on parenting plans and binding agreements, a child support fact sheet, a Centrelink guide, a parenting schedule tracker and co-parenting scripts. A$49. There's also a parenting plan template you can add at the checkout, so you're filling in a document rather than starting with a blank page.Send Carolyn a text READY FOR MORE SUPPORT? Women's Divorce Academy offers expert divorce support and a friendly community of women who understand exactly what you're going through. Learn more about our membership and divorce support: womensdivorceacademy.com CONNECT WITH US: Instagram: @womensdivorceacademy  Facebook: Women's Divorce Academy SUBSCRIBE & REVIEW: If this episode helped you, subscribe to Divorce With Carolyn and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts - it helps other women find the show. Thank you!

    Emotional intelligence for mums when your life is on fire

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Divorce with Carolyn is real talk for women about the hard parts of divorce and the beautiful life waiting on the other side. I've been through two divorces, spent years coaching women inside Women's Divorce Academy, and I'm here to be the divorce bestie you didn't know you needed — straight with you, cheering you on, and always bringing you back to what matters.

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