The Art of Manliness

The Art of Manliness

The Art of Manliness Podcast aims to deepen and improve every area of a man's life, from fitness and philosophy, to relationships and productivity. Engaging and edifying interviews with some of the world's most interesting doers and thinkers drop the fluff and filler to glean guests' very best, potentially life-changing, insights.

  1. 6d ago

    If I Don’t Return: A General's Wartime Journal for His Sons

    When Mark Hertling learned he was deploying for Operation Desert Storm, he decided to start a journal. Back then, Mark was an Army major and cavalry officer with two young sons. His unit would be out in front of the main force, and during an intelligence briefing, he was told it could suffer casualties as high as 50 percent. Mark realized there was a real chance he might not come home. So he began writing down what he was experiencing, along with the lessons about life, leadership, and character that he wanted his boys to know if he wasn’t there to teach them himself. Mark did come home, and went on to serve 38 years in the Army, including as an assistant division commander in Baghdad and later commander of the 1st Armored Division in Iraq during the 2007–2008 surge, before finishing his career as commander of U.S. Army Europe. Decades later, that wartime journal became the basis for his new book, If I Don’t Return. Today on the show, retired three-star General Mark Hertling and I talk about the reflections it contains on making every day count, planning for friction, marriage and friendship, handwritten notes, casual profanity, the moral weight of war, and what it means to build a man. Resources Related to the Podcast My LifeOn War by Carl von ClausewitzAoM Article: Clausewitz on Overcoming the Annoying Slog of LifeGeneral Douglas MacArthur’s Prayer for His SonConnect With Mark Hertling Mark on LinkedInMark's faculty pageSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  2. Sep 1

    To Change Yourself, Change Your Situation

    Professor of psychology Angela Duckworth is famous for her work on grit — the combination of passion and perseverance that leads to high achievement. But she’s come to an increasing appreciation for the fact that success isn't just a matter of the qualities inside you; it's also driven by what's outside you — your peers, your mentors, and even your zip code. Today on the show, Angela, whose latest book is Situated: Find the People and Places That Bring Out Your Best, shares how our environments play a much bigger role in shaping us than we realize. She explains the three-box model of behavior, why relying on willpower is a fallible strategy for altering your habits, and why the most effective way to change yourself is to change what’s around you. We discuss how different situations bring out different versions of ourselves and how to shape your surroundings to encourage good habits, mitigate bad ones, and become who you want to be — whether that means rearranging what’s on your desk or moving across the country. Resources Related to the Podcast Angela's previous appearance on the AoM podcast: Episode #210 — Got Grit?AoM Podcast #887: The Golden Rules of Success With Bob Bowman AoM Podcast #1,023: Is Self-Control Overrated? With Michael InzlichtDying Breed Article: The Power of "I Like," or Why Do People Hate the Idea of Motivation?AoM Article: Alexander Graham Bell’s Secret to Greater ProductivityAoM Article: The Ceiling Word Art of Michel de MontaigneConnect With Angela Duckworth Angela's websiteAngela's faculty pageAngela on LinkedInAngela on IG 0:00 Introduction 1:42 From Grit to Situated 4:18 Michael Phelps: Grit Meets Environment 8:43 The Three-Box Model Explained 12:28 Why Willpower Fails 19:18 Multiple Selves & Code Switching 26:30 Saving a Marriage Through Situational Change 31:51 Curating Your Physical Space 38:26 Shaping Your Digital Environment 43:14 Social Environment & Accountability 47:05 Culture, Microcultures & the Flywheel 53:15 Start With Situational Awareness See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  3. Aug 25

    The Lost Virtue of Thumos (And Why Men Need It)

    The ancient Greeks believed the human soul had three parts: reason, appetite, and something called thumos. Thumos is difficult to translate into English. It encompasses anger, noble spiritedness, pride, ambition, a sense of honor, and the drive to act. The Greeks thought it was essential to living a life of manly virtue, and my guest thinks we could use a lot more of it. His name is Mike LeBlanc, and he’s a decorated Marine, a Harvard Business School grad, a tech founder, and the author of What If Anger Is the Answer? Today on the show, Mike and I discuss how the angry energy of thumos can help you close the gap between who you are and who you should be. We discuss why physical training helps cultivate thumos, how it can be an aid in overcoming appetites, overthinking, passivity, and cynicism, and the role it can play in being an effective leader. Resources Related to the Podcast AoM Article: Got Thumos?AoM Article: 10 Movies That Inspire ThumosAoM Article: Soundtrack for Your ThumosAoM Article: How to Make Anger Your AllyAoM Podcast #1,083: Good Anger — Harnessing a Misunderstood EmotionAoM Series: The Life of Jack London as a Case Study in the Power and Perils of ThumosConnect With Mike LeBlanc Mike's websiteMike on LinkedIn 0:00 Introduction 1:42 Meet Mike LeBlanc: Marines, Great Books & Robotics 5:45 A Letter to His Son: What It Means to Be a Man 8:07 Socrates' Metaphor: The Little Man, the Hydra & the Lion 15:26 The Attributes of Thumos: Dignity, Pride & Shame 17:36 Thumos and Action: The Soul's Three Parts at Work 20:19 Thumos in Defending Boundaries 25:31 Thumos and the Physical Body 31:36 Thumos vs. Overthinking: The 70% Solution 36:03 Thumos, Power & Authority in Leadership 44:42 Overcoming Cynicism with Thumos 49:46 Raising Boys with Thumos & Where to Find the Book See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  4. Aug 18

    The Secrets of Supercommunicators

    Note: This is a rebroadcast. Have you ever known one of those people who seemed to be able to connect with anyone? The kind of person who had the ability to make others feel understood and smoothly navigate even the trickiest of conversations? Charles Duhigg calls these folks “supercommunicators,” and he’s the author of a new book by the same name. Today on the show, Charles explains that what underlies supercommunicators’ skill in connection is something called the matching principle, and he unpacks how it works and how you can put it to use in your own conversations. We discuss several techniques for how to figure out what kind of conversation you’re having, so you can align your language and energy with the other person. And because emotional conversations can be particularly difficult, we dig into tactics for successfully navigating them, even when they contain a high degree of conflict. We also get into how to carry the skills of connection into your digital conversations. Resources Related to the Podcast Charles’ previous appearances on the AoM podcast:Episode #61: The Power of HabitEpisode #196: The Science of Self-Motivation & ProductivityAoM Podcast #559: How to Handle Difficult Conversations Connect With Charles Duhigg Charles’ website 0:00 — Intro & Rebroadcast Notice 0:32 — Why Communication Matters 2:08 — The Matching Principle 5:07 — Deep Questions & FBI Negotiator Felix Sigala 9:50 — Identifying What Kind of Conversation You're Having 10:52 — Setting Goals & Preparing for Conversations 15:06 — Conversations as Quiet Negotiations 19:07 — Navigating Emotional Conversations 24:11 — Turning Shallow Questions Into Deep Questions 28:00 — Mood, Energy & NASA's Emotional Intelligence Test 32:34 — Looping for Understanding & High-Conflict Conversations 38:38 — Digital Communication & Closing See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  5. Aug 11

    The Joy of Touching Grass (and Knobs, Buttons, and Boarding Passes)

    Remember the old hotel ice machines? The kind where you'd slide your bucket under the chute and hear the avalanche of cubes crashing into it? There was something so fun and strangely gratifying about that thing. Or think about breaking an icicle off the edge of a roof. Such a gratifying feeling from such a small act. My guest has written an ode to the outsized pleasures that arise from these kinds of everyday interactions with the physical world. His name is Ian Bogost, and his new book is The Small Stuff. Today on the show, Ian argues that a fulfilling life isn't built solely by chasing the big components of happiness but also by embracing the small moments of gratification that are woven throughout ordinary life. We discuss how those moments can be found in tactile experiences like shifting a manual transmission, turning a well-made knob, or flipping through the pages of a real menu. We explore how these small opportunities for engagement — for contact, connection, and control— have been disappearing as the world becomes more digitized and automated and everything becomes a touchscreen. And Ian shares how opportunities for "sensory enchantment" can still be found in our increasingly dematerialized world. Resources Related to the Podcast Ian's previous appearance on the AoM Podcast: Episode #247 — The Pleasure of Limits, the Uses of Boredom, and the Antidote to Excessive IronyIan's Atlantic article "The End of Manual Transmission"Andy Rooney compilationConnect With Ian Bogost The Small Stuff websiteIan's websiteIan's faculty page 0:00 Introduction 0:40 Ian Bogost and 'The Small Stuff' 2:25 What Kickstarted This Book 6:38 Happiness, Satisfaction, and Gratification 14:58 Gratification Is Everywhere — But Disappearing 18:28 Dematerialization: How the World Is Losing Sensory Richness 26:41 How Work Has Become Less Gratifying 33:09 How to Reclaim Your Sensory Life 38:35 Keep More Junk Around 44:38 Talk About Small Pleasures 48:17 Living Life Sideways (Orthogonality) 50:03 Wrap-Up See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  6. Aug 4

    Big P vs. Little P Purpose: Why You Don't Need to Find Your One True Calling

    People are told their whole lives how important it is to find their purpose. But many find the search frustrating. They feel there's one true calling or one grand goal they're supposed to be pursuing, but they can't seem to discern what it is. My guest, Jordan Grumet, author of The Purpose Code, says that searching for what he calls your big P purpose can be fruitless and even harmful, and that a better path is to embrace a life of little p purposes. Today on the show, Jordan explains the difference between big P and little p purposes and argues that the former can lead to anxiety while embracing the latter can be the path to meaning, satisfaction, connection, and even the legacy you were looking for in the first place. We discuss how Jordan found his way to this philosophy after burning out as a doctor, practical ways to discover your own little p purposes, what he thinks we get wrong in making family our purpose, and what his work in hospice has taught him about living a life without regret. Connect With Jordan Grumet Jordan's websiteJordan's Substack: The Purpose Code  00:00 Intro & Show Overview 0:41 Meet Jordan Grumet 1:46 From Doctor to Purpose Writer 5:00 Big P vs Little P Purpose 8:32 Why Purpose Talk Makes People Anxious 11:15 What the Research Says 13:42 Burnout and Big P Purpose 16:18 The Podcasting Example: Process vs Goals 19:42 Legacy Through Little P Purpose 28:24 Finding Your Purpose Anchors 38:01 The Climb: Building Your Purpose 43:14 Family, Regrets, and Final Thoughts See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  7. Jul 28

    Restless, Rooted: What the Odyssey Reveals About Americans' Divided Souls

    With the release of Christopher Nolan's adaptation of the Odyssey, it seems like everyone's been talking about a 3,000-year-old epic again. But my guest thinks this ancient tale offers a framework for understanding our modern lives that you probably haven't heard before. Patrick Deneen is a professor of political science and the author of American Odyssey. Today on the show, Patrick argues that Odysseus embodies a tension that has defined the human experience, and especially the American experience: we're both home-seeking and exploring, rooted and restless. We long to settle down somewhere, yet we're equally driven to push beyond the horizon in search of something new. Patrick shares how Alexis de Tocqueville made this observation about our country two centuries ago, how Odysseus navigates the temptation to become both more than human and less than human, and the surprising act Patrick thinks is the most heroic thing Odysseus does. We end our conversation with the idea that having a home can give us the confidence to explore, or as David Brooks put it, "All of life is a series of daring explorations from a secure base." Resources Related to the Podcast AoM Article: 3 Lessons From Homer’s OdysseyAoM Podcast #337: What Homer’s Odyssey Can Teach Us TodayDemocracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville"Ulysses" by Alfred, Lord TennysonConnect With Patrick Deneen Patrick's faculty pagePatrick's websiteAmerican Odyssey's page on Creed and Culture's website 0:00 Intro & sponsor plugs 0:41 Patrick Deneen's American Odyssey & Nolan's film 2:28 Nolan's changes to Odysseus's character 4:56 Dante's Odysseus in hell 7:33 Why Odyssey keeps drawing Patrick back 13:02 The most American text: home-seeking vs exploring 17:15 Tocqueville's restless Americans 20:03 Restlessness as source of American unhappiness 21:03 Odysseus vs the temptation to be more/less than human 26:14 That temptation in modern American life 31:26 Odysseus's underworld talk with Achilles 39:41 What today's Americans can take from that 41:24 Does Odysseus stay home? The "sequels" to The Odyssey 45:49 Home as the foundation for risk-taking and adventure 51:14 Where to find the book See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  8. Jul 21

    The Secret Skills of Master Negotiators

    When most people think of negotiation, they picture big, high-stakes moments: haggling over the price of a house, negotiating a starting salary, or hammering out the terms of a business deal. But negotiation is also something we do every day. It’s working out who’s taking on which chores with your spouse, convincing a coworker to help on a project, or even deciding where to go for dinner with friends. The better you understand negotiation — which is really about influencing other people’s decisions — the better you’ll be at navigating conflicts and opportunities both big and small. My guest has spent decades studying the art and science of wielding that influence. John Richardson teaches negotiation at MIT’s Sloan School of Management and is the co-author of Never Settle. Today on the show, John shares what he learned from negotiation legends like Roger Fisher, co-author of Getting to Yes, and FBI hostage negotiator Chris Voss. He unpacks the skills of master negotiators, including how to build reciprocity, uncover what people actually want, and keep your emotions from hijacking your judgment. We also get into the part of negotiation that makes people the most uncomfortable: the back-and-forth over hard numbers like price and salary and how to handle those conversations with greater confidence and better results. Resources Related to the PodcastAoM Podcast #234: Haggling and Deal Making Advice From a FBI Hostage Negotiator (With Chris Voss)AoM Podcast #559: How to Handle Difficult Conversations (With Sheila Heen)Influence: The Essential Guide to the Psychology of Influence and Persuasion in Everyday Life by Robert B. CialdiniAoM Article: How Labeling Your Emotions Can Help You Take ControlGetting to Yes: Negotiating Agreement Without Giving In by Roger FisherStart with NO…The Negotiating Tools that the Pros Don’t Want You to Know by Jim Camp Connect With John Richardson Never Settle websiteJohn’s faculty page 0:00 Everyday Negotiation & Meet John Richardson 2:18 John's Path Into Negotiation 9:50 Why People Fear Negotiation 12:34 Roger Fisher's Philosophy (Getting to Yes) 17:46 Chris Voss & Hostage Negotiation Tactics 22:54 Give Them a Sandwich (Reciprocity) 30:06 Using Someone's Name 33:59 Managing Your Emotions 39:00 Figuring Out What Everyone Wants 46:29 Distributive Negotiation & Anchoring 54:52 Alternatives, Saying No & Closing See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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The Art of Manliness Podcast aims to deepen and improve every area of a man's life, from fitness and philosophy, to relationships and productivity. Engaging and edifying interviews with some of the world's most interesting doers and thinkers drop the fluff and filler to glean guests' very best, potentially life-changing, insights.

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