The Stacking Benjamins Show

Joe Saul-Sehy and Josh ‘OG’ Bannerman, CFP
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Named Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger — and the only podcast the Plutus Awards retired from competition after winning twice — The Stacking Benjamins Show is personal finance that doesn’t put you to sleep. Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy (former 16-year financial advisor, ex-WXYZ-TV “Money Man”) and Josh “OG” Bannerman, CFP (Certified Financial Planner, Bannerman Wealth) sit around the card table in Joe’s mom’s half-finished basement in Texarkana and talk money with the smartest guests in personal finance, investing, and behavioral economics. As Fast Company wrote, the show “strikes a great balance of fun and functional.” Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday: expert guests, real headlines, listener questions, and Doug’s trivia. Topics include investing, retirement planning, budgeting, real estate, behavioral finance, taxes, and financial independence — for anyone who wants to be smarter about money without being talked down to. Subscribe to The 201 — the free newsletter that goes deeper than the show — at stackingbenjamins.com/201

  1. 1d ago

    What the Fed’s Rate Hike Means for Your Money, Plus the Buy Now, Pay Later and Kalshi Traps SB1908

    The Fed just raised rates for the first time in more than three years, and the markets barely flinched. Your mortgage, your CDs, and your next car payment may feel it differently than the headlines suggest. The panel breaks down what a quarter point actually changes, then turns to two newer ways of borrowing against your future self: buy now, pay later apps that run almost entirely on debit cards, and a prediction market that wants Congress to let you borrow money to bet. One episode, three headlines, and one thread running through all of them. What You’ll Walk Away With What a quarter-point hike does to a $50,000 car loan (the answer is smaller than you’d guess)Why your mortgage rate follows the 10-year Treasury more than the Fed, and why that distinction mattersThe three numbers to find in any adjustable rate loan before you decide how much risk it can carryWhy waiting for a “return” to the rates of 15 years ago may be the most expensive plan availableHow “0% interest” buy now, pay later plans make their money, and what a single missed payment costsA simple test for deciding what is worth borrowing against future income and what never isHow a $22 billion prediction market argues it isn’t gambling, and the odds it never mentionsWhat the trader data shows about who actually profits on these platformsThe meteorite that landed on a $300 car, and how much profit it really madeWhy This Matters Now Borrowing has quietly become easier to start and harder to see. A rate move shows up in a payment you might not notice for months, a payment plan splits a purchase into pieces small enough to ignore, and an app turns a market prediction into something that feels like a game. Each one trades future flexibility for something today. If you worry that one overlooked detail could sneak up on you, this is a plain-English look at where those details hide, and which decisions deserve a pause before you click. From the Basement The year-long trivia race enters its final quarter in a dead heat, and the gap that opens up is smaller than anyone’s confidence about it. The question involves a meteorite, a very old Chevy Malibu, and a lesson about waiting for money to fall from the sky. The show also took three tries to start, so you are hearing the one that worked. Resources Mentioned Federal Reserve monetary policy: the source for rate decisions and statementsSemafor: Kalshi to allow trading on borrowed funds: the report behind the Kalshi headlineKlarna and Affirm: the two buy now, pay later providers discussedPeekskill meteorite: the real story behind today’s triviaAfford Anything: Paula Pant's amazing podcastPersonal Finance for Long-Term Investors: Jesse Cramer's incredible show See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  2. 3d ago

    Lauryn Williams: What a Four-Time Olympian Learned From Her Biggest Money Mistakes SB1907

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  3. 5d ago

    Credit Cards 101: Points, Cash Back, and the Traps Card Companies Want You to Fall Into SB1906

    Credit card companies are getting smarter about one thing: making an $800 annual fee feel like a steal. Joe and OG open the vault on how the points-and-perks game actually works, why "free" subscriptions and dining credits aren't really free, and the one simple piece of math that tells you whether a point is worth more than cash. Doug plays referee in a live round of Points, Cash, or Pass, and it turns out his instinct to keep one boring card in his wallet might be the smartest strategy in the room. What You'll Walk Away With The 2% rule that tells you in five seconds whether a points redemption is actually a good deal or just a shiny numberWhy "almost premium" credit cards are the fastest-growing category in the industry, and who they're really designed forThe real reason card companies give you six months of free DoorDash or Apple TV, and why it costs you more than you thinkHow to tell if you're the kind of person who should play the points game at all, and why that's not a bad thing to admitThe one credit card rule that matters more than any rewards program: pay it off every month or none of this applies to youWhy transferring points to an airline can either be a smart move or a trap, depending on one thing you do before you transferThe behavioral trick retailers use to get your card out of your wallet the second time, not the firstWhat "stacking" points actually means, and why it's the one place serious players find real valueWhy This Matters Now Credit card rewards have quietly become their own side economy, with companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars to get you to sign up, swipe, and forget. That's not inherently bad, but it works best when you're the one steering it instead of the other way around. Whether you're the type who wants a system for maximizing every point or the type who just wants one card and zero complexity, knowing the handful of rules that actually matter means you get the benefit without accidentally reshaping your spending to chase it. From the Basement Doug gets put through a five-round gauntlet of Points, Cash, or Pass, and somehow nails every single one by refusing to play the game at all. There's also a sticker system involved, a strong opinion about mauve wallets, and a trivia question about Breakfast at Tiffany's that goes about as well as you'd expect. Resources Mentioned The Points Guy — the go-to resource Joe and OG reference for maximizing point redemptionsPoint.me — the tool Joe uses to compare redemption value across multiple loyalty programsFieldKit — the budgeting app mentioned for tracking net worth, subscriptions, and creditMonster: The Lizzie Borden Story — a mysterious bonus link that may or may not exist, and definitely isn't some kind of secret extra segment. We'd never do that. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/how-to-use-credit-card-rewards-1906/ Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  4. Oct 2

    Money Ideas That Sound Great Until You Read the Fine Print (SB1905)

    Bigger returns. Guaranteed income for life. Retiring five years early. Every one of these sounds like an obvious yes, until you see the invoice that comes with it. Joe puts Doc G, OG, and Jesse Cramer through a rapid-fire "in or out" game: he pitches five genuinely appealing financial ideas, and each of them has to decide whether they'd actually take the deal, and name the worst realistic thing that could go wrong if they did. What You'll Walk Away With Why leveraged ETFs have historically wiped out the vast majority of investors who hold them for more than a few yearsThe real, academically-supported case for and against thematic and "beat the market" investment fundsA clear framework for handling a single stock that's grown into 40% of your portfolio, including a simple trick for spreading a big tax bill across two tax yearsWhy "guaranteed income for life" almost always means giving up the one thing that actually protects you from inflation over a multi-decade retirementA genuinely helpful explanation of what a Monte Carlo simulation's "80% success rate" actually means, and why it's not the cliff-edge failure people assumeWhy retiring five years earlier isn't automatically the right move, even when the math technically worksA real cost-benefit gut check on working an extra year or two specifically to fully fund a child's college education Why This Matters Now The financial products and strategies that sound the most appealing, guaranteed income, market-beating returns, an earlier retirement, all have a cost that isn't obvious from the pitch alone. That cost isn't always dishonest or hidden on purpose, but it only becomes clear once you ask the right follow-up questions. Learning to instinctively look for that fine print, what you're giving up, what could go wrong, and whether the tradeoff actually serves your specific goals, is a far more useful skill than knowing the name of any single financial product. From the Basement A three-way tie atomizes the year-long trivia standings heading into the fourth quarter, decided by a question about how little Charles Schulz was paid for the very first month of Peanuts comic strips. Resources Mentioned Earn & Invest podcast — Doc G's showPersonal Finance for Long-Term Investors podcast — Jesse Cramer's showGranola — AI-powered meeting notes tool mentioned in the sponsor breakStacking Benjamins on OG's calendar — for financial planning help See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  5. Sep 30

    Don't Tell the Car Dealer Your Budget (And Other Money Moves That Actually Work) SB1904

    A $12,000 emergency room bill for popping a dislocated shoulder back into place. A car-buying strategy that saved one family $4,000 with a single text message. A college athlete's first taste of NIL money and the tax questions that come with it. Joe and OG spend today answering real questions from real Stackers, the kind of specific, practical situations that don't always fit neatly into a textbook, but come up constantly in real life. What You'll Walk Away With Why you should never tell a car dealer your monthly budget, and the exact three-rule negotiation process that saved one family thousandsA real, word-for-word example of how to negotiate a hospital bill down, including the specific questions that actually get resultsWhat to know before buying stock in a private, employee-owned company, including the questions to ask about liquidity and getting your money back outWhy a college athlete earning NIL revenue-sharing income needs a specialized tax professional, not a generic preparerThe real difference between qualified and ordinary dividends, and why it matters less than most investors assumeA nonprofit resource that helped one young Stacker eliminate a $43,000 hospital bill entirelyWhy asset location (which accounts hold which investments) only matters once your portfolio is diversified enough across account types to make a difference Why This Matters Now Financial advice often gets taught in tidy, general categories, but real financial life shows up as messy, specific situations: an ER bill with no clear price tag, a car dealer who won't budge on your trade-in, a new source of income nobody prepared you for. Having a framework for these moments, knowing what questions to ask, who to loop in, and where the leverage actually sits, turns a stressful surprise into a solvable problem. None of these situations require perfect expertise, just knowing enough to ask the right question at the right moment. From the Basement A Good Neighbor Day detour uncovers the legendary origin of the first-ever Stacking Benjamins meetup: a group of miners in Healy, Alaska, who listened to the show while at work and reached out when they heard Joe was headed to Denali. Resources Mentioned Stacking Benjamins Field Kit — the all-in-one budgeting and net worth tracking toolDollar For — nonprofit that helps eliminate medical debt for qualifying patientsSB1808: How She Eliminated a $43,000 Hospital Bill — referenced episode on medical debt reliefSB1899: Should You Graduate From Index Funds to Individual Stocks? — referenced episode with Brian FeroldiYell Down the Stairs — submit a question for a future episode FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/money-rules-worth-questioning-1904/ Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  6. Sep 28

    Our Top 5 Esoteric Money Strategies That Work (For the Right Person) SB1903

    Some financial strategies aren't bad, they're just wildly oversold to people they were never built for. Joe and OG walk through five genuinely legitimate, sometimes powerful tools, cash value life insurance, municipal bonds, qualified longevity annuity contracts, net unrealized appreciation, and complex charitable trusts, and draw a clear line between the tiny slice of people these actually help and the much larger crowd who gets pitched them anyway. If you've ever had someone offer you a "special" financial strategy and wondered whether it was genius or a sales tactic, this episode gives you the framework to tell the difference. What You'll Walk Away With Why cash value life insurance almost never makes sense as a savings vehicle, and the very narrow situations where it actually doesThe real math behind municipal bonds, and why the "tax-free" appeal often costs more in lost growth than it saves in taxesA clear-eyed look at qualified longevity annuity contracts, and why giving up control of your money rarely makes sense at any wealth levelThe single tax strategy on this list that can genuinely save six figures over a lifetime: net unrealized appreciation on employer stockWhy "borrowing against your assets instead of selling them" can be brilliant or disastrous depending entirely on how the economy movesA blunt reality check on 72(t) distributions for early retirees, and why the five-year commitment trips more people up than the strategy itselfWhy "there's no free lunch" is the single question to ask about any complex financial product before you commit to it Why This Matters Now The financial industry has an incentive to make simple problems feel complicated, because complicated problems require expensive solutions. Most people's actual financial life doesn't need any of these five strategies, and that's not a failure, it's just math. But knowing what these tools are, who they're actually built for, and what they cost when misapplied means you can spot the difference between a legitimately smart move and a sales pitch dressed up as sophistication, whether or not you'll ever personally need any of them. From the Basement A Good Neighbor Day detour into Ted Williams's legendary 1941 season, when he refused to sit out the final day to protect a rounded-up .400 batting average, becomes a genuinely moving story about doing things the honest way even when nobody would've noticed otherwise. Resources Mentioned Stacking Benjamins Field Kit — the all-in-one budgeting and net worth tracking toolStacking Benjamins Coaching Program — Joe and OG's new cohort program for financial coaches See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  7. Sep 25

    Is "This Time Different"? A FinCon Panel on AI, Inflation, and Interest Rates SB1902

    Live from FinCon, Joe sits down with historian and bestselling author Joseph Moore, Paula Pant, and Jesse Cramer to talk about what's actually keeping people up at night: AI concentration in the stock market, inflation anxiety that won't fully fade, interest rates that feel "stuck," and a housing market that seems rigged against newcomers. The twist is that almost none of it is new. From a Scottish con man's fake country bonds to the 1830s stock that was over 30% of the entire market, to a refrigerator boom that happened during the Great Depression, this conversation uses 300 years of financial history to put today's anxieties in real perspective. What You'll Walk Away With Why "this time is different" has been true in every single era of financial history, and why that's actually reassuring, not alarmingThe real reason today's AI-heavy stock market concentration isn't as extreme as people fear, compared to genuine historical outliersWhy equal-weighted index funds tend to underperform market-weighted ones, and what that reveals about betting against your own winnersA fascinating historical parallel between AI infrastructure spending today and the railroad boom of the 1800s, and where that comparison breaks downWhy the fastest way to build real wealth during a technological boom is often working in the industry, not investing in itHow the "golden handcuffs" of low mortgage rates are quietly fueling a broader sense of economic pessimism, even during a strong economyWhy increasing your income is one of the few truly controllable levers in your financial life, and why it usually takes longer than people expectWhy This Matters Now Every generation convinces itself that its economic moment is uniquely unprecedented, uniquely uncertain, uniquely dangerous. History suggests otherwise: markets concentrate around a handful of winners, technology booms take decades to actually change daily life, and financial anxiety tends to track personal experience more than actual data. None of that means today's concerns aren't real. It means the emotional weight of "this has never happened before" is usually misplaced, and understanding that can be the difference between panicking through a normal cycle and staying invested through one. Resources Mentioned How to Get Rich in American History by Joseph Moore — Joseph's USA Today bestselling book on 300 years of financial advice, what worked and what didn'tAfford Anything podcast — Paula Pant's showPersonal Finance for Long-Term Investors podcast — Jesse Cramer's showMen Go To Mars — sponsor mentioned in the episode See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

  8. Sep 23

    Robin Wigglesworth: The Boring Market That Actually Runs the World SB1901

    In April 2025, the bond market did something the stock market couldn't: it made a sitting president reverse course within days. Financial Times journalist Robin Wigglesworth, author of the new book A Fabulous Debt, joins Joe and OG to explain why bonds, dismissed for centuries as the dull corner of finance, are actually the bedrock everything else sits on. From a murdered medieval ruler in Venice to a Scottish con man who sold bonds for a country that didn't exist to the hedge fund collapse that nearly took down the global financial system, this is 900 years of history explaining exactly why the "boring" market is the one that actually moves empires. What You'll Walk Away With Why the bond market, not the stock market, is what actually forced a change of course during 2025's "Liberation Day" tariff chaosThe surprisingly wild origin story of the very first government bond, issued in 1171 Venice, and how it got its ruler killedHow the Dutch turned Venice's basic invention into a true market, and used it to fund their independence from a much larger empireThe incredible true story of a con man who sold real bonds for a fictional country and lured hundreds of settlers to their deathsWhy Long-Term Capital Management, staffed with Nobel laureates and legendary traders, collapsed almost overnight in 1998The biggest misconception most Americans have about U.S. government debt, and why the reality is more nuanced than the doom headlines suggestWhy the oldest investing mistake in 900 years of financial history is still the simplest one: borrowing too much Why This Matters Now Most people never think about bonds until something breaks, a rate spike, a market scare, a headline about the national debt, and by then it can feel too complicated to catch up on. But bonds quietly determine mortgage rates, corporate borrowing costs, and government policy in ways that touch daily life far more than most people realize. Understanding even the basics of how this market works, and how consistently it has shaped history, turns a vague sense of unease about "the economy" into something you can actually follow and make sense of. From the Basement A Bond-adjacent trivia detour (the James Bond kind, not the financial kind) reveals that Ian Fleming borrowed his spy's name from a real-life ornithologist, proof that even a show about medieval Venetian debt can't resist a pun. Plus, a Wall Street Journal headline on why the job market has quietly flipped in favor of workers without a college degree. Resources Mentioned A Fabulous Debt by Robin Wigglesworth — Robin's new book on the 900-year history of bondsTrillions by Robin Wigglesworth — Robin's earlier book on the history of index fundsStacking Benjamins Field Kit — the all-in-one budgeting and net worth tracking tool See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Named Best Personal Finance Podcast by Bankrate.com and Kiplinger — and the only podcast the Plutus Awards retired from competition after winning twice — The Stacking Benjamins Show is personal finance that doesn’t put you to sleep. Hosts Joe Saul-Sehy (former 16-year financial advisor, ex-WXYZ-TV “Money Man”) and Josh “OG” Bannerman, CFP (Certified Financial Planner, Bannerman Wealth) sit around the card table in Joe’s mom’s half-finished basement in Texarkana and talk money with the smartest guests in personal finance, investing, and behavioral economics. As Fast Company wrote, the show “strikes a great balance of fun and functional.” Every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday: expert guests, real headlines, listener questions, and Doug’s trivia. Topics include investing, retirement planning, budgeting, real estate, behavioral finance, taxes, and financial independence — for anyone who wants to be smarter about money without being talked down to. Subscribe to The 201 — the free newsletter that goes deeper than the show — at stackingbenjamins.com/201

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  • Creator
    Joe Saul-Sehy and Josh ‘OG’ Bannerman, CFP
  • Years Active
    2013 - 2026
  • Episodes
    1.5K
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