Find The Outside

Tim Merry & Tuesday Rivera

A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tuesday Rivera and Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. Together, Tim and Tuesday are THE OUTSIDE - systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact. In this podcast, we’ll share our greatest light-bulb moments as we advance our own understanding of this work. We’re doing it live, and inviting you in. Welcome! As Tim says in the first episode: reflection is too important to leave to chance. These conversations give us (and you!) a chance to slow down, catch our breath, and see our space and our work more clearly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. 8.15: Looking Back on 19 Years of Systems Change

    3H AGO

    8.15: Looking Back on 19 Years of Systems Change

    As Tuesday transitions out of The Outside, she and Tim take a long look back at nearly two decades of working together - from meeting at an Art of Hosting training in Colorado to leading large-scale systems change work around the world. In this deeply reflective conversation, they unpack the original hypotheses behind The Outside: Could participatory leadership and equity genuinely transform systems?What happens when you bring power analysis into institutional change work?Did the work actually create the impact they hoped for? Along the way, they explore the tension between systems change and personal transformation, the realities of burnout, the limits of organizational change, and why “loosening the bolts” may matter more than delivering predictable outcomes. This episode is an honest conversation about complexity, leadership, relationships, and what they now believe really changes people — and systems. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    46 min
  2. 8.14: Beyond the Crossroads - A Partnership Evolves

    MAY 5

    8.14: Beyond the Crossroads - A Partnership Evolves

    In this deeply personal episode, Tim and Tuesday open up about a major transition: Tuesday’s decision to step away from The Outside after nearly two decades of partnership. What unfolds is an honest, emotional, and thoughtful conversation about what it means to listen for “what’s next” - even when it’s unclear, inconvenient, or uncomfortable. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and uncertainty, the courage it takes to follow an inner knowing, and the realities of unwinding a long-standing partnership with care. This isn’t a story about conflict - it’s about alignment. About trusting your own compass. About honoring relationships while allowing paths to diverge. As they begin to close this chapter, Tim and Tuesday invite you into the messiness, the meaning-making, and the possibility that comes with change. Resources Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:Website: www.findtheoutside.com Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutsideConnect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    40 min
  3. 8.13: On the Same Frequency: Heritage, Humanity, and the Power of Listening with Maria Bakari

    APR 21

    8.13: On the Same Frequency: Heritage, Humanity, and the Power of Listening with Maria Bakari

    What if the past isn’t behind us - but still speaking, through stories, spaces, and even the buildings around us? In this rich and reflective conversation, Tim sits down with facilitator, counselor, and radio host Maria Bakari to explore the deep connections between people, place, and participation. From the ancient island of Rhodes to European youth work and civic engagement initiatives, Maria shares how her work brings individuals and communities into meaningful relationship—with each other and with their shared heritage. Together, they explore the idea of “mythological time,” the hidden stories held within landscapes and architecture, and how engaging citizens in creative and participatory processes can transform not just communities, but our sense of belonging. The conversation also turns to the quiet power of radio in a fragmented digital world—where being “on the same frequency” becomes both a literal and metaphorical act of connection. Grounded, poetic, and deeply human, this episode invites us to listen more closely - to each other, to our environments, and to the enduring threads that connect past, present, and future. Resources: Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:Website: www.findtheoutside.com Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutsideConnect with us at hello@findtheoutside.comMeet Maria Bakari Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    45 min
  4. 8.12: Sh*t’s Weird - Clarity, Doubt, and Doing the Next Right Thing

    APR 7

    8.12: Sh*t’s Weird - Clarity, Doubt, and Doing the Next Right Thing

    In a world that feels increasingly unpredictable, how do we know what’s ours to do? In this episode, Tim and Tues reflect on recent conversations with Zaid Hassan and Sommer Sibilly-Brown - two leaders taking bold, values-driven action in complex times. Together, they explore the tension between clarity and doubt, the limits of strategy in a rapidly changing world, and why action - not perfection - is what moves things forward. From climate anxiety to leadership fatigue, this conversation doesn’t shy away from the weight of the moment. But it also offers something grounding: a reminder that we don’t need all the answers to begin. Sometimes, it’s about trusting what’s clear, noticing what’s habitual, and doing the next right thing in front of us. Resources: Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:Website: www.findtheoutside.com Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutsideConnect with us at hello@findtheoutside.comMeet Zaid Hassan Listen to the episode with ZaidMeet Sommer Sibilly-BrownListen to the episode with SommerNeil deGrasse Tyson – Host of CosmosCarl SaganBilly BraggTony Ben & Roy Bailey – “The Winter Turns to Spring"Lucas JonesJoin Tim on InstagramCheck out The Outside’s Berkana Two Loops of Systems Change online course Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    44 min
  5. 8.11: Outside Conversations with Daniela Papi-Thornton - Why Systems Work Needs the Sacred

    MAR 24

    8.11: Outside Conversations with Daniela Papi-Thornton - Why Systems Work Needs the Sacred

    In this thought-provoking cross-post conversation, Tuesday sits down with Daniela Papi-Thornton to explore what happens when systems change, leadership, and the sacred feminine collide. Together, they question traditional leadership models that privilege logic over intuition and control over connection - and examine why personal transformation is inseparable from the systemic change our world is calling for. Drawing on her work in education and social innovation, Daniela invites listeners to rethink leadership, reconnect with inner wisdom, and remember that meaningful change starts from within. Resources: Meet Daniela Papi ThorntonVisit Daniela on SubstackSystems. Change. Educators. Unite.Systems-led LeadershipUnstuck ClubPositive Deviants Cohort Learn more about Shared WorkDonella Meadows - “Leverage Points: Places to Intervene in a System” Practices that Daniela is leaving you with: Find a place (hallway, walk between your house and car) and allow that to become your alignment space. Every time you walk that space, allow yourself to realign.Ask for help and trust that it is there. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    53 min
  6. 8.10: Outside Conversations with Sommer Sibilly-Brown - Angry Waters and New Worlds

    MAR 10

    8.10: Outside Conversations with Sommer Sibilly-Brown - Angry Waters and New Worlds

    What does it mean to stay grounded in a time of global uncertainty? In this conversation, Tim and Tuesday sit down with Sommer Sibilly-Brown of the Virgin Islands Good Food Coalition to explore community, regulation, anger, responsibility, and the work of building the world we want to live in. From food sovereignty in the Caribbean to the importance of our “root systems,” this episode is a powerful reflection on what it takes to stay human - and hopeful - when systems around us are shifting. Listen now. Resources Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:Website: www.findtheoutside.comFacebook & Instagram: @findtheoutsideLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutsideConnect with us at hello@findtheoutside.comMeet Sommer Sibilly-BrownVirgin Islands Good Foods CoalitionSt. Croix Agrifest 2026Find The Outside: The Podcast - 6.03: Outside Conversations with Deanna James - Doing philanthropy differentlySt. Croix Foundation for Community DevelopmentCheck out The Outside’s Berkana Two Loops of Systems Change online course Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    1h 1m
  7. 8.09: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan - How to Evolve (and How Not To)

    FEB 24

    8.09: Outside Conversations with Zaid Hassan - How to Evolve (and How Not To)

    What does it really mean to evolve — as individuals, communities, and societies? In this thoughtful and timely conversation, Tim reconnects with longtime collaborator and systems thinker Zaid Hassan to explore his new book, How to Evolve and How Not To. Drawing on 25 years of work tackling complex global challenges - from climate negotiations inside the UN COP process to launching a decentralized global climate initiative during COVID - Zaid reflects on why so many change efforts fail and what real practice actually looks like. Together, Tim and Zaid explore the courage it takes to see reality clearly, the difference between technical fixes and adaptive change, and why agency matters more than ever in a world that can feel overwhelming. At its heart, this episode is about culture as a collection of choices - and what happens when we begin to understand the evolutionary consequences of the decisions we make every day. Zaid will be on a global book tour this fall, including Halifax, Nova Scotia in October. Woo. Woo. Resources:  Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:Website: www.findtheoutside.comFacebook & Instagram: @findtheoutsideLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutsideConnect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com Meet Zaid Hassanten in tenBook: “The Social Labs Revolution: A New Approach to Solving our Most Complex Challenges,” by Zaid HassanZaid’s New Book: “How to Evolve And How Not To” (Peakrill Press, 2026)Join Zaid on his upcoming book tour!Read articles from Zaid on Substack Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    50 min
  8. 8.08: This Reality, That Reality, and the One We Choose to Live In

    FEB 10

    8.08: This Reality, That Reality, and the One We Choose to Live In

    On today’s episode, Tim and Tuesday reflect on two recent conversations with Meg Buzzi and Chris Keevil and follow the threads that emerged long after the recording stopped. What unfolds is a wide-ranging, deeply human dialogue about courage, leadership, imagination, and how we decide what really matters in turbulent times. They explore the tension between reflection and action, the false choice between staying informed and staying well, and what it means to make a “true move” when certainty is impossible. Along the way, they consider the role of escapism, joy, embodiment, and imagination - not as avoidance, but as essential capacities for resilience, empathy, and meaningful action. This episode is an invitation to question whose reality we are centering, to resist being hijacked by fear or outrage, and to remember that tending to what gives life and meaning is not separate from changing the world - it’s foundational to it. RESOURCES: Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:Website: www.findtheoutside.comFacebook & Instagram: @findtheoutsideLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutsideConnect with us at hello@findtheoutside.com Meet Meg BuzziRead Meg’s new book, “The In-Between”Learn about Meg’s company - fixchr Meet Chris KeevilCanoe Kayak CanadaDee Hock, Chaordic OrganizationsSandpiper Ventures Oliver Burkeman – Author of Four Thousand WeeksArawana Hayashi, Founder of Social Presencing TheaterDr. Martin Shaw, Mythologist and StorytellerLucas Jones, Author of I Still Believe in Miracles Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    39 min
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A lively, off-the-cuff conversation hosted by Tuesday Rivera and Tim Merry on large-scale systems change and equity. Together, Tim and Tuesday are THE OUTSIDE - systems change and equity facilitators who bring the fresh air necessary to organize movements, organizations, and collaborators forward for progress, surfacing new mindsets for greater participation and shared impact. In this podcast, we’ll share our greatest light-bulb moments as we advance our own understanding of this work. We’re doing it live, and inviting you in. Welcome! As Tim says in the first episode: reflection is too important to leave to chance. These conversations give us (and you!) a chance to slow down, catch our breath, and see our space and our work more clearly. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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  • Creator
    Tim Merry & Tuesday Rivera
  • Years Active
    2018 - 2026
  • Episodes
    158
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Tim Merry & Tuesday Rivera
  • Show Website
    Find The Outside

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