Geopolitical Cousins

Jacob Shapiro & Marko Papic
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Geopolitical Cousins throws together analysts Jacob Shapiro and Marko Papic for some of the most in-depth, off-the-wall geopolitical analysis in the world.

  1. 1D AGO

    China Just Doesn't Care

    The lads turn an unscripted session into a sharp diagnosis of the US-China relationship amid the Strait of Hormuz crisis. They debate whether China is strategically patient or simply indifferent - and what its silence means for the Global South. The Xi-Trump summit looms as both the dealmaker's prize and the ultimate test of a G2 world. -- Timestamps: (00:00) - Introooo (01:20) - China Defies Iran Sanctions (03:33) - Oil Markets and Sanctions Backfire (07:52) - Summit Hype and Trade Deal Goals (10:05) - G2 vs Multipolar Debate (12:17) - Should China Pressure Iran (15:57) - Global South Stakes and Bagels (18:34) - China Strategic Patience Rebuttal (32:03) - What China Offers the World (34:40) - Yuan Push and Middle Kingdom (36:54 China Whiffing the Moment (38:50) - China Constraints First (39:34) - Disciplining Iran Debate (41:29) - Multipolarity Versus Bipolar (43:08) - Iran Strikes UAE Update (45:33) - Ceasefire And Escalation (49:12) - Oil Inventories Supply Hole (51:15) - Markets Ignore War Risk (53:15) - AI Capex Takes Over (56:09) - Energy Inequality And Supply Chains (58:37) - Trump Priorities And Timeline (01:02:08) - Rebuilding After US Backstop (01:05:42) - Pandemic Shifted China Views (01:09:47) - Propaganda And Cultural Hegemony (01:14:55) - NBA Riffs And Wrap -- Referenced in the Show: -- Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com -- Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world. Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416 Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe -- Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future. Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/ Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro

    1h 17m

  2. 5D AGO

    Cousins After Dark

    Recorded late at night from New Orleans and Montreal, Jacob and Marko dig into the Iran-Hormuz standoff as oil prices climb and the ceasefire holds... for now. They debate who bears the blame, whether China's patience has limits, and what a US-China deal might mean for the strait. Plus: Canada's sovereign wealth fund and the Cousins Trade Value Index preview. -- Timestamps: (00:00) - After Dark (00:44) - Jazz Hour Banter (03:01) - From Sports to Iran (03:36) - Oil Shock Signals (05:46) - Ceasefire and Storage (10:06) - Demand Destruction Debate (13:48) - Trump Narrative and Blame (18:04) - Cold War Framing (19:27) - China Pressure and Pakistan (33:11) - UAE Leaves OPEC (36:30) - Cartels and Oil Math (40:00) - Saudi Price Warfare (41:06) - OPEC Share Debate (41:53) - UAE Saudi Rift Risks (42:49) - Why OPEC Can Undercut (46:12) - Putin Polls Warning (48:56) - Russia Pivot Playbook (55:06) - KD Leadership Analogy (01:01:06) - Panama Canal Signaling (01:07:12) - Canada Wealth Fund Plan (01:15:00) - Wrap Up and Playoffs -- Referenced in the Show: -- Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com -- Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world. Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416 Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe -- Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future. Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/ Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro

    1h 17m

  3. APR 24

    The Supply Hole

    Oil analyst Rory Johnston joins Jacob and Marko to break down why energy experts are alarmed by the Strait of Hormuz closure while markets remain at an all time high. Like wtf. Rory explains the 13 million barrel-per-day supply hole, the math on strategic reserves, and what timeline triggers a real price spike. The hosts probe whether Trump's leverage is shrinking faster than Iran's. -- Timestamps: (00:00) - Welcome (00:35) - Meet Rory Johnston (01:30) - Canada and 51st State Banter (04:12) - The Light on Fire Game (07:52) - Where to Follow Rory (09:09) - Why Hormuz Matters (10:31) - Reroutes and Pipeline Capacity (13:26) - Stocks SPR and Market Calm (19:18) - When Do Shortages Hit (27:59) - Red Sea and Houthi Risks (31:34) - Iran Leverage and Taco Paradox (35:25) - Hot Takes Round One America (40:49) - China Buyer Strike Debate (45:35) - Can We Just Build Pipelines (47:05) - Time Horizon Leverage (49:04) - Workarounds And Pipelines (50:53) - Regime Change Off Table (52:50) - Cash In Before Escalation (59:46) - Work From Home Oil Demand (01:02:46) - Russia And Cascade Risks (01:09:24) - Price Scenarios Brent (01:13:37) - Market Math Vs Jawboning (01:22:48) - Mutual Assured Energy (01:29:11) - Wrap Up And Thanks -- Referenced in the Show: -- Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com -- Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world. Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416 Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe -- Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future. Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/ Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro

    1h 30m

  4. APR 21

    Strategic Vibe Reserves

    China isn't losing the energy war with America, it's not even flinching. Jacob and Marko break down why the "choke China's oil" thesis is economically illiterate, why the US and China actually want the same thing (cheap oil), and why Trump is more vulnerable to gasoline prices than Xi ever will be. Also: Billy Bob Thornton, hairy forearms, and bananas. -- Timestamps: (00:00) - Housekeeping (01:00) - Weekend Sports Banter (01:53) - Iran Headlines to Real Stakes (03:31) - China Oil Imports Reality Check (05:16) - Fungible Oil and Discount Myth (11:02) - US Economy Needs Low Oil (18:17) - China Reserves and EV Strategy (22:46) - SPR Politics and Election Risk (25:57) - China Energy Stats and Seaborne Risk (31:26) - Trade Dependence and Supply Chains (34:06) - Five D Chess and US as Supplier (40:16) - Industrial Policy and Borg Metaphor (45:36) - Tariffs Versus Competition (47:41) - China EVs Copying Tesla (49:57) - Education And Immigration Edge (50:48) - Oil Sanctions Are Futile (52:23) - UAE Dollar Swap Line (54:52) - Japan China Tensions Rising (59:31) - DC Trip Policy Chaos (01:04:51) - Trump Court Politics (01:09:44) - Military Adults Missing (01:16:45) - Memes And Trade Value Tease (01:20:04) - Closing Banter And Wrap -- Referenced in the Show: -- Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com -- Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world. Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416 Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe -- Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future. Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/ Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro

    1h 22m

  5. APR 18

    Bombing for Peace

    Marko and Jacob dig into the Iran ceasefire - is it real, or theater? Marko argues Trump's bombing campaign materially set back Iran's nuclear program, making even a JCPOA-style deal a net win. They also cover the erosion of the petrodollar system, bid farewell to Viktor Orbán, and debate whether TMZ opening a DC bureau is civilization's final chapter. -- Timestamps: (00:00) - Show Notes and Shoutouts (00:56) - Hero Principal Story (02:07) - Bingo Card Banter (04:39) - Ceasefire and Strait Signals (07:27) - Iranian Infighting and Markets (12:30) - Nuclear Material Dilemma (15:09) - Deescalation and Market Complacency (22:28) - Is the Deal Superficial (28:31) - Will Iran Change Behavior (37:25) - Is Iran Really the Villain (41:45) - Iran vs Saudi Hypocrisy Debate (44:18) - Trump Is The Swamp (44:43) - Pump The Brakes On Iran (46:50) - Exit Middle East Vision (48:32) - Terrorism And Threat Math (50:23) - Opportunity Cost At Home (52:05) - Petrodollar Explained (55:51) - Inertia And Diversification (58:04) - Reputation Versus Savings (58:45) - Football Trade Metaphors (01:02:20) - Falcons Pain And Fandom (01:04:09) - Listener Coffee Shoutout (01:06:27) - Orban Era Ends (01:08:13) - Europe Rightward Shift (01:10:51) - Millennial Politics Rising (01:14:37) - TMZ Comes To DC (01:19:45) - Democracy Versus Elites (01:22:11) - Making Geopolitics Fun (01:25:39) - Sponsors And Signoff -- Referenced in the Show: -- Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com -- Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world. Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416 Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe -- Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future. Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/ Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro

    1h 27m

  6. APR 9

    Taco Tuesday

    Marko is unbothered by ceasefire hand-wringing. He argues the Strait of Hormuz traffic was already recovering before any deal — because Iran is rationally cashing in through a tolling mechanism, not risking its leverage. Jacob frets the deal's fragile and spoilers lurk. Elsewhere: KMT's Beijing trip signals Taiwan's shifting mood, eight Senate seats are suddenly in play, Trump's economy approval is a catastrophic 31%, and both cousins have quietly become Claude fanboys. -- Timestamps: (00:00) - Welcome (00:38) - Listener Requests and Ethiopia Pivot (02:13) - Coffee Gifts and Khat Banter (04:06) - Ceasefire Headlines and Strait Tensions (05:03) - Why Ceasefires Rarely Hold (07:43) - Shipping Data and Iran Toll Booth (14:14) - Oil Flow Math and Alternatives (16:12) - Gulf States and Toll Compliance (18:32) - Markets React and Leverage Limits (22:41) - CapEx vs Flotilla and Spoilers (28:10) - US vs Israel Strike Capacity (31:15) - China Stakes and Supply Chains (38:03) - Zooming Out What Changed Long Term (39:05) - Energy Transit Logic (40:26) - Ceasefire Skepticism (41:40) - Missiles Not Blockades (42:40) - Beirut Strikes Fallout (43:22) - Ignoring Trump Noise (44:49) - US Forces Reality Check (47:58) - Oil Price Probabilities (49:39) - Taiwan Opposition Goes China (56:50) - Germany Negative Power Prices (59:38) - Trump Cabinet Shakeups (01:01:29) - Midterms Map In Play (01:08:24) - Sports Jokes And AI Shift (01:11:56) - Claude Changes Workflow (01:14:54) - Sally And Signoff -- Referenced in the Show: -- Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com -- Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world. Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416 Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe -- Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future. Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/ Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro

    1h 16m

  7. APR 2

    The Spice Must Flow!

    We recorded this pre-speech episode earlier today (April 1st), racing the clock before Trump's evening address. Marko seems to think that Trump will zag spectacularly - not taco, not escalate, but announce a NATO exit to distract from the Iran morass. Jacob thinks that there are two most likely scenarios following Trump's speech today. Behind Door A is a taco salad. Behind Door B is economic catastrophe. There might be a "third, secret door" - but you'll have to tune in to learn more :) -- Timestamps: (00:00) - Open (00:53) - Pregame Iran Updates (01:56) - Trump Speech Predictions (02:56) - NATO Exit Distraction (08:19) - Two Doors A Or B (11:43) - Door C War But Oil (16:09) - Escalation Odds And Markets (20:51) - Tolling Debate Predictability (24:39) - Israel Spoiler Scenarios (35:48) - Gulf States And China Leverage (37:46) - Spice Leverage Limits (38:37) - Iran Hormuz Toll Scenario (39:54) - Maritime Chokepoints Debate (41:09) - Trump and Sea Power Shift (43:40) - US Exit and Regional Equilibrium (46:12) - Industrial Policy Reality Check (49:25) - Russia Ukraine Energy Spillover (50:46) - Power Is Fungible Argument (54:30) - Who Guards Gulf After US (59:41) - Multipolar Stability Case (1:05:28) - Ukraine as Garrison State (01:09:30) - Doom Gloom Endgame Risks (01:17:23) - Wrap Up and Lakers -- Referenced in the Show: -- Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com -- Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world. Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416 Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe -- Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future. Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/ Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro

    1h 18m

  8. MAR 27

    Mad Max: Hormuz Warrior

    The boys are back! It's only been like 13 days!! Chill!! Also - the Iran conflict isn't just a headline risk - it's a physical supply crisis hiding in plain sight. Despite oil sitting at $93, Marko argues the world is weeks away from a non-linear cliff: floating storage is depleting, Iranian and Russian sanctioned oil relief is a 30-day band-aid, and by mid-April, petrochemicals, LNG, semiconductors, and plastics all face cascading disruption. His verdict: this resolves, or it goes Mad Max. -- Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome 01:32 Beer And Banter 05:05 Trump Pause And Troops 06:43 Oil Shock Timeline 08:41 Houthis And Red Sea 11:31 Shortages Beyond Oil 13:43 Troop Math Reality 18:06 War Outlook Shifts 24:38 Island Invasion Scenarios 28:50 Iran Constraints Debate 32:20 Market Mispricing Pain 34:12 China And Allies Fallout 35:09 China Leverage on Iran 36:55 Low Conviction Warnings 37:53 Middle East War Normalized 40:00 Tacit Rules of Engagement 42:19 Pushback and Pain Threshold 48:36 Markets Start to Crack 53:24 Munitions and Time Limits 54:55 Europe Energy Exposure 56:52 Europe Must Get Real 59:51 Germany Nuclear Wake Up 01:07:05 Multipolar Pragmatism 01:09:56 Europe Virtue Signaling 01:12:37 Summing Up the Fog 01:14:19 Two Week Ticking Clock 01:16:11 Constraint Framework Equilibrium 01:17:32 Israel Leverage And Lebanon 01:20:19 Age Of Revisionism 01:24:46 Realism And The 19th Century 01:27:55 Inequality And Soft Power 01:29:39 NBA Talk Starts Here 01:30:10 Relegation And 30 Teams 01:34:13 Baseball Overtakes Basketball 01:43:01 Wrap Up Mad Max Title -- Referenced in the Show: -- Geopolitical Cousins is produced and edited by Audiographies LLC. More information at audiographies.com -- Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world. Jacob Shapiro Site: jacobshapiro.com Jacob Shapiro LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jacob-l-s-a9337416 Jacob Twitter: x.com/JacobShap Jacob Shapiro Substack: jashap.substack.com/subscribe -- Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future. Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/ Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro

    1h 46m
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Geopolitical Cousins throws together analysts Jacob Shapiro and Marko Papic for some of the most in-depth, off-the-wall geopolitical analysis in the world.

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  • Creator
    Jacob Shapiro & Marko Papic
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    59
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Copyright 2026 Jacob Shapiro & Marko Papic
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