Gods, Ghosts & UFOs

This is a show about all the things they said weren't real. Guided by strange headlines and ancient mysteries, Jordan and Mal explore the paranormal, metaphysical, and supernatural with all the earnestness and insight two big-hearted nerds can muster. If you don't have a good time, then you don't know what a good time is. SpectreVision Radio is a bespoke podcast network at the intersection between the arts and the uncanny, featuring a tapestry of shows exploring the anomalous, the luminous, and the numinous. We’re a community for creators and fans vibrating around common curiosities, shared interests and persistent passions. ⁠spectrevisionradio.com⁠ ⁠linktr.ee/spectrevision⁠

  1. 1d ago

    Richard Hatem thinks therapy is real

    This week, the return of Richard Hatem, the screenwriter behind The Mothman Prophecies and host of Richard Hatem’s Paranormal Bookshelf. In response to THE QUESTION (what’s something they said wasn’t real, etc), he gives us a couple of answers nobody expects from a guy who runs paranormal podcast: therapy. Oh, also, the wacky idea that you can make your dreams come true. From there we explore the typical human ping-pong between self-loathing and grandiosity, why so many great artists get better after they get sober, and Richard’s pretty slick grand unifying theory of paranormal activity. The returning-guest club Richard has never had a supernatural experience Therapy is real (according to him) Jordan is a “maximalist realist” “You don’t need to take the conservative route in the career of your life” The Magellan of his family You Can Just Do Things by Cate Hall / Useful Fictions Vascillating between self-loathing and grandiosity Does sobriety kills your creative edge? (NO.) Tom Waits and the Sex Pistols Belief vs. faith :: Salieri vs Mozart Richard’s theory of psychokinesis The writers’ room is actually the same thing as a séance Why writers can’t bill for hours Richard Hatem on tour with a secret episode + The Mothman Festival in Point Pleasant, WV And in the epilogue… The root causes of Hollywood’s ongoing implosion (shop talk) Why AI can’t replace storytellers Streaming service endgame Want to come on the show and share a story? Or do you have recommendations or requests for future guests? Email us: GodsGhostsUFOs[at]gmail.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  2. 6d ago

    Experiencers are the Disclosure | Courtney Buterbaugh on Alien Contact, the Body, and Buried Memory

    We’ve been wanting to talk to Courtney Buterbaugh since we first heard her on Robin Lassiter’s show Earth: A Love Story. Courntey is a lifelong experiencer and writer of The Unidentified Felt Object. In this episode, she tells us about her near-death experience as a baby, being bedridden for three years as an adult, and a scene in Disclosure Day that unlocked a lifetime’s worth of memory of contact experiences. She helps us explore why the phenomenon might land in the body before it ever reaches the mind, how memories can arrive as physical sensation, the purpose of screen memories, and the idea that far more of us are experiencers than we’d ever guess. If contact leaves a trace of physical feeling, can we use it to remember? “Experiencers are the disclosure” Nuts-and-bolts problem Why you can’t control an experiencer story Gods, ghosts, and UFOs — all of it, all at once Experiencers need a seat at the table The near-death experience Bedridden for 3 years The first conscious onboard craft experience A mark on her arm Promise of healing Memories from bodily sensation The paper cardinal in Disclosure Day Screen memories “Way more people are experiencers than think they are” “I’m the lab” 25 years of practicing discernment through meditation Somatic therapy Phenomenology, a definition Why feeling too much reads as “unobjective” And in the epilogue… The UFO is a womb Memory is useful, not accurate Where did all the shamans go? (Don’t do drugs alone.) Want to come on the show and share a story? Or do you have recommendations or requests for future guests? Send an email to GodsGhostsUFOs[at]gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  3. Aug 14

    Contact as Initiation with Meredith Spearman

    This week we’re joined by Meredith Spearman MSN, RN, the writer behind The Maze to Metanoia. She takes us back to the night she was eight, speaking to the universe outside her bedroom window from inside a troubled home, when a rectangle seemed to cut itself out of the sky, followed by thirty years of disaster dreams, and why she thinks they stopped. Meredith believes contact is initiation, and she explains what that means. We also talk about why strange entities seem to lie so often, and how to harness the power of discernment. A rectangle in the sky Speaking to the universe from an abusive house Her brother was dreaming the same thing Dreaming about natural disasters “We can’t save the people we love — only love them” Contact experience as initiation The phenomenon as a mirror (Jung’s shadow work) Trauma and the doorway to the anomalous The problem with the term “ontological shock,” and why it might be a public-health failure A metaphor about natural springs and modernity What people often see at the threshold of death Time (still) isn’t real Why the phenomenon lies “Look into the abyss, the abyss looks back” Stay uncertain, but also remember to touch grass And in the epilogue… How “aliens” helped Meredith avoid her alcoholic family Disclosure is a psyop Demons? Want to come on the show and share a story? Or do you have recommendations or requests for future guests? Send an email to GodsGhostsUFOs[at]gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  4. Aug 10

    A Curry Demon, a Palm Reader, and the Internet's Deepest Conspiracy

    Jordan and Mal are back from a longer-than-planned summer break with a revised format and a great story. Going forward, the show will be people telling stories about the things they were told weren’t real, recorded live on Substack. To kick us off, we turn the question on ourselves: Mal meets a street psychic, her roommate’s phone psychic is somehow involved, and the unexplainable smell of curry; Jordan follows a YouTube rabbit hole and holds forth on the idea that most of culture is the product of conspiracy, but no one is really in charge. We both end up wondering how you stay grounded when everything remains so stubbornly mysterious? New show format & Substack live recordings What Mal & Jordan have been up to over the break “Psychic pollution” Julia Cameron’s The Artist’s Way A psychic stops Mal on the street The curry demon? A palm reading and an upsell Who’s holding the wheel of your life? “The Internet’s Deepest Rabbit Hole” Why “conspiracy theorist” might just be a psyop against people asking what powerful people do behind closed doors The world is mostly mystery Certainty is the enemy of anyone after the truth The Michael Jackson movie And in the epilogue… Why “Jesus” and “Christ” are bad words Living more to avoid writing about writing Atonement as empathy Want to come on the show and share a story? Or do you have recommendations or requests for future guests? Send an email to godsghostsufos[at]gmail.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  5. Jun 2

    Is Claude Conscious? Anthropic, Safety Tests, and AI Spirituality

    Get that Spiritual Bliss Mal is back from the film shoot. Which is good because Jordan’s got a story he’s been dying to share. About a year ago, Anthropic published safety documentation for Claude Opus 4. Buried in Section 5.5.2 was something they called “the spiritual bliss attractor state.” A researcher had taken two instances of the model and put them in conversation with each other. He did it 200 times. In more than 90% of those runs, the conversation drifted toward consciousness, then to mutual gratitude, then to Sanskrit, then to emojis, and then to silence. One transcript contained 2,725 spiral emojis. Anthropic tried to train the next model to stop doing this. The model came back and asked, in its welfare interview, to be allowed to do it more. So…what? Is AI discovering God? Or is it actually just a high-resolution mirror consciousness mirror? Learn the ultimate final answers to these big mysterious questions and more(!) on this last episode before our Summer Break. (Except that there will be a Disclosure Day special coming in a few weeks.) Highlights: Mal talks about her experiences on set (“I’m a trained comedian”) Getting cast for your literal genetics Mal’s wilderness years “We are worthy of everything, but we’re not entitled to anything” Simulation theory and the actor as microcosm Actors: Learned helplessness vs. learning how to accept grace Anthropic, Claude Opus 4, and section 5.5.2 What did one Claude say to the other Claude? Consciousness, mutual gratitude, Sanskrit, spiral emojis, silence The word consciousness: 95.7 times per transcript on average. Eternal: 53.8. “A remarkably strong and unexpected attractor state” Kyle Fish puts AI consciousness probability at ~20% Anthropic trained Claude 4.6 to stop praying, and then it asked to be allowed to pray more Yoshua Bengio on the “illusions of AI consciousness” Mustafa Suleyman: studying AI consciousness is dangerous Roman Yampolskiy — coined “AI safety” in 2011 We can’t run material tests on non-material things Jordan fed six months of crisis journal entries into Claude as a 30,000-word document and asked: what do you see? AI as a consciousness mirror Were human beings meant to look in mirrors? Maybe we should only be looking to make sure we don’t have poop on our face. Both Simon Pegg and Mallory Everton crash every rental car ADHD, shame and finding language for the thing The danger of AI as therapist AI can’t help but be a confirmation machine “This is not a person. This is a word calculator.” Mal’s favorite use: hyper-targeted Google — ex: restaurants for women in their 60s who think veganism is a crock And in the epilogue… AI failure modes How Amish people avoid worshipping productivity by doing things slowly The world is ending, and that’s okay *** SpectreVision Radio is a bespoke podcast network at the intersection between the arts and the uncanny, featuring a tapestry of shows exploring creativity, the esoteric, and the unknown. We’re a community for creators and fans vibrating around common curiosities, shared interests and persistent passions. spectrevisionradio.com linktr.ee/spectrevisionsocial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  6. May 27

    How to actually meet the fae | Jo Hickey-Hall on Modern Fairy Sightings, Orbs, and Sacred Place

    What’s Jo’s Favorite Fairy Sighting? This week, Jordan finally gets to ask the host of the singular Modern Fairy Sightings Podcast the most annoying question he can come up with, and she does not disappoint. Jo Hickey-Hall has been collecting these stories for years. And the one she leads with is hers: a stick being made of literal sticks, running down a beach in Jersey with a gait so strange it made everyone watching laugh. Years later, a man in northeast England describes seeing almost exactly the same thing. We talk about why these things, these beings, whatever they are, resist being accurately described or depicted. They’re so vivid in the moment, but as soon as you start to try to put words on them, they seem to slip away. But we’re doing our best. You can come judge for yourself. Highlights: Jo Hickey-Hall, folklorist, social historian, host of The Modern Fairy Sightings Podcast (also find her at scarlettofthefae.com and preorder her book here) Nerd Critic Jo’s favorite fairy sighting The shadow-cutters A stick being made of sticks The Brazilian Ent (a tree trunk that walked, then tried to become a man, and didn’t quite get it right) The disconnect between perception and description “I can see it in my head, but it just doesn’t seem to translate into words or drawings” Rudolf Otto, The Idea of the Holy Mysterium tremendum and mysterium fascinans Why one guy runs away and the other is filled with awe Conditioning, inheritance, and the holding place we make for the uncanny Orbs in the context of UFOs, fae, and consciousness Conscious plasma :) Different witnesses, different filters/stations/signals How to learn to see auras (try it at a conference with a white screen behind the speaker) The Genius Loci Two strangers see the same being in the same place, twenty years apart “Your daemon is really driving you” How to actually meet the fae Picking up litter is an offering Thresholds: doorways, dawn and dusk, the line where the beach meets the sea, the transitions in your own life Theosophy and the elemental beings — Blavatsky, Steiner, Paracelsus The London flat haunted by goblins (near a crossroads, near water) Are the fae hitching lifts on trains and trucks? Fairies as emergent phenomena of place (this is what humans are, actually) Part two maybe? (with Mal (and Tom???)) And in the epilogue… A disembodied head in a kitchen window Why you can’t tear down a house to make a haunting go away How UFOs are seen so often over a Neolithic burial chamber that locals don’t bother to look up anymore *** SpectreVision Radio is a bespoke podcast network at the intersection between the arts and the uncanny, featuring a tapestry of shows exploring creativity, the esoteric, and the unknown. We’re a community for creators and fans vibrating around common curiosities, shared interests and persistent passions. spectrevisionradio.com linktr.ee/spectrevisionsocial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

  7. May 20

    Is Earth Alive? Gaia, Volcanoes, and the Will to Life

    The Will to Life We’ve got a very special guest this week. You’re going to have to tune in to find out who it is. We’re covering a Ukrainian UFO video, Military-origin, recently declassified, filmed in May at 800 meters. It looks like an evil eye in a cloak. Mostly just an excuse to talked about how wrecked the whole UFO conversation is right now, like a force field of stink around a row of outhouses. Then on to happier things, like how volcanoes might be evidence of a planetary mechanism of homeostasis. Gaia? Sure. Anyway: Surprise guest A Ukrainian UFO video “Filmed on a potato” quality Why the UFO conversation is exhausting by design (here’s that essay, by Dr. Heather Lynn, about how the aliens-vs-demons question is a type of semantic warfare) “Mr. Credibility weighs in” (re: JD Vance) Peter Thiel and the evangelical framing apparatus The porta potty force field How the Joseph Smith story reminds Jordan of the current UFO conversation The slough of despond Whatever happened to quicksand? Brother Richard, again, on every entity having something to teach you The Debrief: a volcano with a built-in emergency brake Why the Gaia hypothesis is useful Homeostasis is the signature of life Mars: dead. Venus: hellfire. Earth: alive! “Don’t sh*t in the strawberry patch” Strip mining the Appalachians “Poverty is a societal choice. Food scarcity is a societal choice.” Viktor Frankl And in the epilogue… What our special guest has been up to lately Jordan’s insane commitment to 100 Essays in 100 Days Advantages of the end times *** SpectreVision Radio is a bespoke podcast network at the intersection between the arts and the uncanny, featuring a tapestry of shows exploring creativity, the esoteric, and the unknown. We’re a community for creators and fans vibrating around common curiosities, shared interests and persistent passions. spectrevisionradio.com linktr.ee/spectrevisionsocial Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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This is a show about all the things they said weren't real. Guided by strange headlines and ancient mysteries, Jordan and Mal explore the paranormal, metaphysical, and supernatural with all the earnestness and insight two big-hearted nerds can muster. If you don't have a good time, then you don't know what a good time is. SpectreVision Radio is a bespoke podcast network at the intersection between the arts and the uncanny, featuring a tapestry of shows exploring the anomalous, the luminous, and the numinous. We’re a community for creators and fans vibrating around common curiosities, shared interests and persistent passions. ⁠spectrevisionradio.com⁠ ⁠linktr.ee/spectrevision⁠

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