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Chris Reynolds
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Most people will never get five minutes with someone who's built a billion-dollar company. The Business Method Podcast gives you dozens of them. Chris Reynolds sits down with billionaires, billion-dollar founders and high-level operators to uncover how the top 0.01% think, build, scale, and lead. With 600+ episodes since 2015, the show goes far beyond surface-level success stories, diving into the mental models, strategic decisions, failures, breakthroughs, and operating principles behind extraordinary companies and lives. Guests have included Jeff Hoffman, co-founder of Priceline; Drayton McLane, former owner of the Houston Astros and billionaire entrepreneur; Richard Koch, author of The 80/20 Principle; Monty Moran, former CEO of Chipotle; Geoffrey Kent, founder of Abercrombie & Kent; Janice Bryant Howroyd, founder of ActOne Group; Jason Fried, founder of Basecamp; Roland Frasier, investor and entrepreneur with 24+ exits; and other elite founders, investors, and operators.

  1. 2d ago

    Ep. 575 | Scaling HubSpot into a Billion-Dollar Business Through Sales Engineering | Mark Roberge

    Today, we're diving into a conversation about what happens when you stop thinking about sales as an art and start treating it like an engineering system. What if building a great sales team isn't about finding people with the most experience, but finding people who can learn, adapt, and improve faster than everyone else? Our guest is Mark Roberge, HubSpot's founding Chief Revenue Officer and one of the key leaders behind the company's explosive growth. Mark helped scale HubSpot's sales organization from zero to 450 people, developing a data-driven go-to-market system that became a blueprint for modern SaaS sales. But Mark's path into sales wasn't exactly conventional. With an engineering background, Mark initially approached sales through the lens of systems, data, and experimentation. From early door-to-door and telemarketing experiences to eventually joining HubSpot, he discovered that many of the same principles used to solve engineering problems could be applied to building a predictable sales organization. In this conversation, Mark explains why the best sales process isn't necessarily the one with the best pitch. It's the one that supports how buyers actually want to buy. He breaks down the systems behind a scalable go-to-market engine, including ideal customer profiles, buyer journeys, demand generation, coaching, compensation, forecasting, and the feedback loops required to keep improving. Mark also challenges one of the biggest assumptions founders make when hiring: that industry experience automatically makes someone a great hire. Instead, he believes companies should build hypothesis-driven hiring scorecards designed to identify traits like coachability, curiosity, and the ability to learn. He explains how role plays and learning loops can reveal far more about a candidate than a traditional interview ever could. The conversation also takes us behind the scenes of HubSpot's growth. Mark shares the company's transition toward inbound marketing, the challenges that came with rapid scaling, a major churn crisis in 2008, and the decision to expand from its original offering into CRM and a broader multi-product, product-led growth strategy. And now, as AI begins reshaping how companies build teams, sell products, and deliver services, Mark explores what the next era of organizational design could look like. He shares his thoughts on AI, demand generation, sales organizations, professional services, and the kinds of companies and founders he believes are positioned to win. Beyond HubSpot, Mark discusses his work teaching sales at Harvard, advising and investing in startups through Stage 2 Capital, the characteristics he looks for in exceptional founders, and why he has chosen to donate proceeds from his book toward mental health initiatives. From engineering a sales system from the ground up to hiring people who can evolve with the company, this episode is a deep dive into the systems, people, and decisions that allow companies to scale. It's a conversation about sales, leadership, hiring, entrepreneurship, and the question every growing company eventually has to answer: How do you build a system that can grow beyond the people who created it? Episode Highlights: 00:00 Buyer First Sales Process 00:30 HubSpot Scaling Story 03:51 Vacuum Cleaner Origins 07:20 Finding HubSpot Founders 11:39 Advisors You Can Afford 14:25 Sales As Engineering System 18:48 Hiring Scorecard Loops 23:21 HubSpot Growth Chapters 25:29 Churn Wake Up Call 27:12 Multi Product CRM Bet 30:17 HubSpot Book Fallout 32:23 Founder Selling Journey 34:47 What Makes Winners 38:02 Company First Leadership 41:33 AI Design Big Start 47:26 Dev Shops Future Bets 57:15 Demand Gen And Sales 59:28 Books Advice And Giving 01:00:48 Mental Health Mission 01:02:10 Where To Follow & Wrap Connect with Mark Roberge Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/roberge_mark/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markroberge/ Stage 2 Capital: https://www.stage2.capital/blog/author/mark-roberge    Subscribe to The Business Method Podcast  Website: https://www.thebusinessmethod.com/  Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheBusinessMethod  Spotify: http://bit.ly/SpotifyTheBusinessMethod  Follow Chris Reynolds: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn — @chrisreynoldslive  https://linktr.ee/ChrisReynoldsLive

  2. Jul 15

    Ep. 574 | From a $49 Billion Real Estate Empire to Rescuing 7,000 Children | Paul Hutchinson

    Today, we're diving into a conversation about what happens when financial success is no longer enough. What if building a multi-billion-dollar business is only the beginning? What if true wealth isn't measured by the size of your portfolio, but by the lives you impact? Our guest is Paul Hutchinson, co-founder of Bridge Investment Group, one of the largest real estate investment firms in the United States, managing over $49 billion in assets. Paul helped build Bridge into a real estate powerhouse by mastering capital raising, creating win-win partnerships, assembling elite teams, and navigating some of the most challenging economic environments, including the 2008 financial crisis. But after reaching extraordinary financial success, Paul found himself searching for something more meaningful. That search led him into one of the world's darkest battles: the fight against child trafficking. Over the past decade, Paul has participated in more than 70 undercover rescue missions, helping save approximately 7,000 children from trafficking. His experiences later inspired scenes depicted in Sound of Freedom, which he executive produced. In this conversation, Paul shares the entrepreneurial mindset that helped him build a multi-billion-dollar company before revealing the deeply personal journey that transformed his definition of success. He explains why wealth without purpose left him unfulfilled, how one phone call changed the trajectory of his life forever, and why he now believes that healing trauma, restoring human dignity, and addressing addiction are essential to preventing exploitation before it begins. From raising millions in capital and leading high-performing teams to confronting cartels, overcoming PTSD, and redefining what legacy truly means, this episode explores the intersection of business, purpose, and humanity. Paul also discusses his work with Liberating Humanity, the Child Liberation Foundation, and his upcoming book, Infinite Wealth. It's a powerful conversation about entrepreneurship, service, healing, and the question every leader should eventually ask themselves: What will matter most when you look back on your life? 🎧 Episode Highlights: 00:00 Humanity Over Ego 00:17 Meet Paul Hutchinson 04:38 Bridge Beginnings 06:33 Treasure Hunt Twist 08:42 First Exit and Origins 11:05 Founder Mindset Rules 12:22 Bridge Growth Chapters 19:52 Crisis Proof Strategy 24:02 Raising Money Mastery 32:13 Building Elite Teams 37:06 Wealth Without Fulfillment 38:40 Turning Toward Trafficking Fight 39:24 95 Year Old Lens 40:24 Cartel Rescue Call 43:28 Wealth Without Fulfillment 48:20 Haiti Mission Horror 52:21 PTSD And Disconnection 54:25 Healing Retreat Turning Point 55:28 Psychedelic Protocol Explained 58:46 Come To Jesus Moment 01:02:15 Healing To Stop Trafficking 01:04:04 Porn Addiction Pipeline 01:08:20 Fix The Man Story 01:10:33 Where To Find Paul 01:11:44 What's Next And Book 01:13:52 Final Thanks And Wrap 🔗 Connect with Paul Website: https://paulhutchinsonofficial.com/ Liberating Humanity: https://liberating-humanity.com/ Child Liberation Foundation: https://childliberation.org/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/liberating.humanity/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulhutchinsonofficial/    Subscribe to The Business Method Podcast  Website: https://www.thebusinessmethod.com/  Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheBusinessMethod  Spotify: http://bit.ly/SpotifyTheBusinessMethod  Follow Chris Reynolds: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn — @chrisreynoldslive  https://linktr.ee/ChrisReynoldsLive

  3. May 6

    Ep. 573 | From Swiss Special Forces to a $1 Billion Exit | Sam Goodner

    Today, we’re diving into a conversation about one of the most overlooked truths in entrepreneurship: scaling isn’t about working harder; it’s about building systems that work without you. And today’s guest is someone who has mastered exactly that at the highest level. Our guest is Sam Goodner, a former Swiss Army officer turned entrepreneur and operator who has helped build and scale companies into industry leaders. Sam is the founder of Catapult Systems, which became Microsoft’s largest software partner, and the former president of Flash Parking, where he helped grow the company from just 12 employees to over 800 across 30 states and six countries, ultimately reaching a $1B valuation in 2022. But what makes Sam different isn’t just the scale; it’s how he thinks. Drawing from his Swiss Army background, Sam brings a disciplined, systems-first approach to leadership. He shares why decentralized decision-making is critical to growth, why many entrepreneurs celebrate outcomes more than execution, and how real scale comes from codifying best practices into repeatable playbooks. He breaks down the exact phases of growth at Flash from early startup days to cloud adoption, marketplace expansion, dynamic pricing, and the future of smart-city mobility. His journey is a masterclass in leadership, clarity, and building organizations that can operate at a high level without constant founder involvement. From hiring based on core values to simplifying operations with the 80/20 rule, to embracing AI as a once-in-a-generation opportunity, Sam shares the frameworks that allowed him to scale efficiently and sustainably. In this episode, we unpack what it really takes to move from founder-led chaos to system-driven growth and why the future belongs to leaders who can build teams, structure decisions, and get out of their own way. It’s a powerful conversation on discipline, scale, and building something that lasts.  Episode Highlights: 00:00 AI Edge Intro 00:24 Meet Sam Goodner 01:36 Swiss Army Lessons 04:12 Decentralized Decisions 04:58 Swiss vs US Execution 07:39 Billion Dollar Pillars 09:53 Breaking Seven Figures 11:12 Codify Playbooks 14:50 Best In World Advantage 16:45 Flash Growth Chapters 20:00 Smart Cities Future 21:43 Core Values In Chaos 23:49 Hiring For Core Values 24:52 Scaling Leadership Transitions 28:41 People First Billion Scale 29:44 Simplify And Focus 32:32 Building Aligned Teams 36:23 Topgrading Interview Method 38:06 Grit And Work Ethic 39:26 Focus Beats Shiny Objects 41:21 Mentors And Peer Groups 42:53 AI Native Advantage 44:09 Book Like Clockwork 45:37 Final Advice Find Mentors Connect with Sam Website: https://samgoodner.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/goodner LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samgoodner X (Twitter):  https://x.com/goodner  Subscribe to The Business Method Podcast  Website: https://www.thebusinessmethod.com/  Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheBusinessMethod  Spotify: http://bit.ly/SpotifyTheBusinessMethod  Follow Chris Reynolds: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn — @chrisreynoldslive  https://linktr.ee/ChrisReynoldsLive

  4. Apr 1

    Ep. 572 | From Broke to $1.2 Billion, the Female CEO Who Rebuilt a Global Brand | Angelica Fuentes.

    In this episode of The Business Method Podcast, host Chris Reynolds sits down with entrepreneur and CEO Angelica, who shares the remarkable story of stepping into leadership when her family’s company was on the verge of collapse and turning it into a billion-dollar turnaround. Angelica opens up about saying yes to the scariest opportunity of her career: becoming CEO of OmniLife and Chivas at a time when the company was nearing bankruptcy. Faced with enormous pressure, she restructured leadership, rebuilt operations and supply chains, unified branding across international markets, and made difficult decisions including layoffs while implementing a bold people-first culture. Throughout the conversation, Angelica reveals how fear can actually be a powerful signal for growth and why she encourages entrepreneurs, especially women to take action even when they feel afraid. She also shares her early experiences working in her family’s energy business, the discrimination she faced as a woman in leadership, and the inner work that helped her build resilience, confidence, and clarity. Beyond business, Angelica introduces NOWFUL, her wellness system designed to help people reconnect with themselves through simple daily rituals. The system includes AI-powered affirmation cards, a mushroom complex, anchoring oils, magnesium sleep cream, and a 30-day challenge focused on breathing, gratitude, and positive habits. This episode is a powerful conversation about leadership, resilience, fear, wellness, and the mindset required to rebuild companies and transform lives. 🎧 Episode Highlights: 00:00 Fear Fuels Action 03:11 Meet Angelica’s Resume 04:15 The Scariest Yes 04:57 Turning Bankruptcy Around 06:06 Fear vs Failure Mindset 06:49 OmniLife and Chivas Explained 07:38 Chapter One Restructure Leadership 08:45 Chapter Two Fix Operations 10:56 People First Policies 12:41 Hard Layoffs and Backlash 15:30 Public Scrutiny as a Woman 17:08 The Inner Void and Self Worth 18:02 Early Work and Discrimination 19:19 Earning the CEO Seat 22:35 Women Leaders Build Differently 24:46 Inner Confidence Built 25:28 Leading in Male Spaces 26:40 Cooperation Beats Ego 27:33 Advice to Women Founders 28:09 Real Power Within 28:38 Why Mouthful Exists 29:12 Wellness as Superpower 30:31 Mouthful System Overview 31:04 AI Affirmation Cards 32:22 Mushrooms Oil Magnesium 34:31 Daily Wellness Habits 35:55 Workout and Lemon Water 37:02 Rapid Fire Questions 37:46 Rest and Burnout Lessons 39:52 30 Day Reconnect Challenge 41:03 B2B Partnerships and Culture 42:20 Core Values in Cards 43:39 Final Message and Farewell   Connect with Angelica Website: https://angelicafuentes.com/ NOWFUL: https://nowful.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/angelicafuentes63/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/angelica-fuentes X (Twitter): https://twitter.com/angelicafuentes    Subscribe to The Business Method Podcast  Website: https://www.thebusinessmethod.com/  Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheBusinessMethod  Spotify: http://bit.ly/SpotifyTheBusinessMethod  Follow Chris Reynolds: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn — @chrisreynoldslive  https://linktr.ee/ChrisReynoldsLive

  5. Feb 12

    Ep. 571 | The Man Who Built The North Face Into a Global Icon | Hap Klopp

    In this episode of The Business Method Podcast, host Chris Reynolds sits down with Kenneth “Hap” Klopp, the legendary former CEO who transformed The North Face from a small outdoor brand into a globally recognized powerhouse. From his early days growing up in Spokane, Washington, to leading one of the most iconic outdoor apparel companies in the world, Hap shares the leadership philosophy that drove his success, one rooted in understanding people, building authentic culture, and balancing commercial growth with environmental responsibility. Hap opens up about how The North Face built demand rather than simply following it, the innovative branding strategies that helped define the company, and the importance of storytelling in creating lasting brand value. He also reflects on sustainability, employee engagement, and how true innovation often comes from staying focused on long-term purpose rather than short-term wins. Today, Hap continues to inspire future entrepreneurs through teaching and mentorship, sharing decades of hard-earned lessons about leadership, resilience, and building meaningful businesses. This episode is packed with insights on brand-building, sustainability, leadership, and innovation straight from one of the outdoor industry’s most influential pioneers.  Episode Highlights: 00:00 Introduction to Hap Klopp and The North Face 01:27 Hap Klopp's Early Inspirations and Philosophy 03:49 Challenges and Lessons in Business 07:19 Building The North Face Brand 12:18 Environmental Commitment and Innovations 16:10 The Impact and Legacy of The North Face 19:06 Company Culture and Employee Development 23:37 Branding and Storytelling 29:54 Chapters of Growth and Survival 32:13 Maintaining Employee Engagement 35:19 Creating Demand vs. Following Demand 37:40 The Importance of Focus and Survival 43:10 Influencer Marketing Before It Was Cool 46:28 The Myth of Overnight Success 48:35 Lessons from Bucky Fuller 51:29 Connecting with Nature 01:00:05 Final Thoughts and Resources    Connect with Hap Klopp Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hapklopp/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hap-klopp-b3b976/ Twitter (X): https://x.com/HapKlopp Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ALMOSTbyHap/  Subscribe to The Business Method Podcast  Website: https://www.thebusinessmethod.com/  Apple Podcasts: http://bit.ly/TheBusinessMethod  Spotify: http://bit.ly/SpotifyTheBusinessMethod  Follow Chris Reynolds: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn — @chrisreynoldslive  https://linktr.ee/ChrisReynoldsLive

  6. 12/11/2025

    Ep.570 | How Waze Co-Founder Uri Levine Built Two Billion-Dollar Startups

    In this episode of The Business Method Podcast, host Chris Reynolds sits down with Uri Levine, the co-founder of Waze, a GPS navigation app acquired by Google for $1.1 billion, and Move It, a public transit app acquired by Intel for just shy of $1 billion. Uri shares invaluable insights on the rollercoaster journey of entrepreneurship, emphasizing the importance of creating value, falling in love with the problem, and building strong teams. He discusses strategies to identify problems worth solving, iterating based on customer feedback, and fostering a company culture that encourages value creation and hard decision-making. Listen in for Uri's practical advice on scaling companies from early-stage ideas to global impact, and his thoughts on maintaining high user engagement and overcoming challenges in the startup ecosystem.   Episode Highlights: 00:00 Introduction to Billion Dollar Founders 00:34 Meet Uri Levine: The Billion Dollar Exit King 01:40 The Essence of Entrepreneurship: Creating Value 02:07 Falling in Love with the Problem 03:48 The Journey of Failures and Iterations 08:24 Discovering the Idea for Waze 09:46 The Evolution of Waze 11:57 The Importance of Product-Market Fit 14:02 Strategies for Growth and User Acquisition 19:49 The Role of Word of Mouth in Waze's Success 28:55 The Unique Value of Waze 30:06 Maintaining Customer Engagement 31:26 The Importance of Experimentation 32:33 Meeting Steve Wozniak 34:02 Understanding User Behavior 36:54 The Challenge of Hiring and Firing 38:37 Building a Winning Team 43:10 Creating a Positive Work Culture 47:51 The Role of Value Creation 53:31 Final Thoughts and Advice   Connect with Uri Levine Website: https://urilevine.com/   Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ulevine/ LinkedIn: https://il.linkedin.com/in/uri-levine Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/UriLevine1 Subscribe to The Business Method Podcast  Website: thebusinessmethod.com  Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/TheBusinessMethod  Google Podcasts: bit.ly/TheBusinessMethodGooglePodcasts  Spotify: bit.ly/SpotifyTheBusinessMethod    Follow Chris Reynolds: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn — @chrisreynoldslive  https://linktr.ee/ChrisReynoldsLive

  7. 10/17/2025

    Ep.569 | Billionaire Episode: Tim Draper - The Most Successful Venture Capitalist of Today

    In this episode of The Business Method Podcast, host Chris Reynolds sits down with legendary venture capitalist Tim Draper — the man behind early investments in Tesla, SpaceX, Hotmail, Skype, and Bitcoin. Tim shares how his bold approach to risk, belief in innovation, and commitment to empowering people have shaped a new generation of entrepreneurs. From building Draper University to backing technologies once deemed “impossible,” Draper reveals the mindset and vision that helped him redefine venture capital. He also opens up about the importance of embracing failure, encouraging freedom through technology, and creating environments that nurture innovation, lessons that have influenced founders and investors across the world. Episode Highlights:   00:00 Introduction to Tim Draper 00:35 Tim Draper's Early Investments 01:07 Meet the Drapers and Draper America Tour 02:46 Global Innovation Hotspots 04:56 Creating Entrepreneurial Cities 06:29 Challenges of Building a New Country 12:04 Evaluating Investment Opportunities 18:26 The Draper Legacy in Venture Capital 20:37 The Importance of Personal Connections in Deals 21:02 Lessons Passed Down Through Generations 21:50 Embracing Failure and Taking Risks 22:53 Thoughts on Abolishing the SEC 23:40 The Impact of Overregulation on Innovation 27:46 Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency Investments 31:32 Reflections on Picking Winners 33:52 Favorite Books and Influences 36:01 Final Thoughts and Farewell    Connect with Tim Draper Website: https://www.draper.vc/   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timdraper/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothydraper/ Twitter (X): https://twitter.com/timdraper Draper University: https://www.draperuniversity.com/  Subscribe to The Business Method Podcast  Website: thebusinessmethod.com  Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/TheBusinessMethod  Google Podcasts: bit.ly/TheBusinessMethodGooglePodcasts  Spotify: bit.ly/SpotifyTheBusinessMethod    Follow Chris Reynolds: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn — @chrisreynoldslive  https://linktr.ee/ChrisReynoldsLive

  8. 08/03/2025

    Ep. 568 | Building a City from Scratch: The Visionary Behind Hiranandani Gardens ~ Dr. Niranjan Hiranandani.

    In this episode of the Billion Dollar Founder series, Chris Reynolds sits down with Dr. Niranjan Hiranandani, co-founder of the Hiranandani Group — one of India’s most respected real estate developers. From teaching in a small Mumbai classroom to creating Hiranandani Gardens, a world-class integrated township, and building Asia's largest hyperscale data centers, Dr. Hiranandani's entrepreneurial journey is nothing short of legendary. He shares the vision that inspired his projects, the roadblocks he faced (including financial struggles and legal battles), and why community building is central to sustainable success. Along the way, Dr. Hiranandani dives deep into India’s business culture, his philosophy of long-term relationships, and the powerful concept of Jugaad — India’s unique brand of creative problem-solving. This episode is a powerful reminder that real legacy comes not just from profit, but from persistence, purpose, and people.  Episode Highlights:: 00:00 – Introduction to Dr. Niranjan Hiranandani 01:11 – The Vision Behind Hiranandani Gardens 02:33 – Challenges and Triumphs in Building a Mini City 06:01 – The Importance of Quality and Community 12:06 – Overcoming Setbacks and Legal Battles 25:44 – Personal Beliefs and Resilience 32:50 – Indian Business Culture and Long-term Relationships 39:20 – Incorporating AI in Education 39:56 – The Hunger for Learning in India 43:30 – Creative Problem Solving: The Jugaad Mindset 45:38 – India's Innovations and Achievements 51:05 – Opportunities for Entrepreneurs in India 58:06 – Personal Insights and Reflections 01:07:00 – Conclusion and Final Thoughts    Connect with Dr. Hiranandani Website: https://hiranandani.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-niranjan-hiranandani/    Subscribe to The Business Method Podcast  Website: thebusinessmethod.com  Apple Podcasts: bit.ly/TheBusinessMethod  Google Podcasts: bit.ly/TheBusinessMethodGooglePodcasts  Spotify: bit.ly/SpotifyTheBusinessMethod    Follow Chris Reynolds: Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, LinkedIn — @chrisreynoldslive  https://linktr.ee/ChrisReynoldsLive

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Most people will never get five minutes with someone who's built a billion-dollar company. The Business Method Podcast gives you dozens of them. Chris Reynolds sits down with billionaires, billion-dollar founders and high-level operators to uncover how the top 0.01% think, build, scale, and lead. With 600+ episodes since 2015, the show goes far beyond surface-level success stories, diving into the mental models, strategic decisions, failures, breakthroughs, and operating principles behind extraordinary companies and lives. Guests have included Jeff Hoffman, co-founder of Priceline; Drayton McLane, former owner of the Houston Astros and billionaire entrepreneur; Richard Koch, author of The 80/20 Principle; Monty Moran, former CEO of Chipotle; Geoffrey Kent, founder of Abercrombie & Kent; Janice Bryant Howroyd, founder of ActOne Group; Jason Fried, founder of Basecamp; Roland Frasier, investor and entrepreneur with 24+ exits; and other elite founders, investors, and operators.

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