The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

  1. 9H AGO

    Unfolding the Eightfold Lawsuit

    Is the "black box" of AI hiring finally being pried open? In this episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, hosts Joel Cheesman and Chad Sowash sit down with Rachel Dempsey of Towards Justice to dissect a landmark class-action lawsuit against Eightfold AI. Filed in early 2026, the suit alleges that the platform creates secret "consumer reports" on job seekers—scoring everything from personality to performance potential without the applicant’s knowledge or consent. From the personal struggles of barred candidates to the legal muscle of the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA), we explore why there is no "AI exemption" for transparency and how this case could fundamentally redefine worker rights in the age of algorithmic recruitment. Think you know why you didn't get that last job? The truth might be hidden in a data profile you never authorized. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Rachel Dempsey and Towards Justice 02:59 - Understanding the Eightfold Case and AI Hiring Practices 06:10 - The Fair Credit Reporting Act Explained 08:58 - The Implications of AI in Hiring and Data Privacy 11:59 - Class Action Lawsuit Dynamics and Its Importance 16:03 - Legal Precedents and Future Implications 20:04 - Employer Responsibilities and Risks in AI Hiring 24:01 - The Role of LinkedIn and Other Platforms in Hiring 27:54 - Conclusion and How to Reach Towards Justice

    32 min

  2. 4D AGO

    Indeed's Pricing Black Box

    This week, the gang dives into the corporate chaos defining the start of 2026. The crew pulls no punches on the Workday leadership shakeup, questioning the optics of massive layoffs paired with multimillion-dollar executive payouts as a co-founder returns to the helm for the fourth time. While the market panic over AI monetization sends SaaS stocks tumbling, the hosts dissect whether we’re seeing a true tech revolution or just a "knee-jerk" reaction to the high costs of artificial intelligence. The conversation shifts to the "digital battlefield" of job searching, where Indeed’s new ChatGPT integration is met with heavy skepticism—framed less as a game-changer and more as a "lazy" attempt to capture upstream traffic. Beyond the apps, a legal storm is brewing as Eightfold AI and Workday face high-stakes lawsuits over "black-box" screening tools, with plaintiffs arguing these algorithms should be regulated like credit scores. From France's aggressive move to ditch US tech like Zoom and Teams in favor of digital sovereignty to a sobering look at how wealth disparity and narrative manipulation keep the masses distracted, this episode is a raw, unfiltered deep dive into the crumbling status quo of HR and global tech. Chapters 00:00 - Super Bowl Celebrations and Personal Reflections 03:00 - Cultural Impact of Halftime Shows 06:02 - Market Reactions and Speculation in Tech 09:03 - Advertising Trends and Consumer Perception 12:01 - Protests and Social Responsibility 15:02 - Workday's Leadership Changes and Market Challenges 30:40 - Employee Power and Corporate Accountability 33:02 - The State of Major Tech Companies 33:56 - Indeed's AI Integration and Job Market Dynamics 37:53 - The Future of Job Search with AI 42:54 - Legal Challenges in AI Hiring Practices 54:57 - Global Shifts in Tech and Workforce Dynamics

    1h 1m

  3. 5D AGO

    Shredded: Spaggiari, Workday, Recruit Holdings, talentguide, Valeria, Indeed, Upwork & More

    The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

    7 min

  4. FEB 10

    Talent's Big Reckoning w/ Quincy Valencia

    One of our favorite disruptors is back, and she’s brought a countdown clock. The boys welcome Quincy Valencia, VP of Talent Transformation at Korn Ferry, for a session that’s equal parts biting sarcasm and brutal honesty. Between the inevitable age jokes and college football analogies, Quincy doubles down on her "2026 Reckoning" prediction—a warning that AI isn’t actually fixing Talent Acquisition, but rather acting as a high-speed spotlight on the fractured silos and organizational dysfunction we've ignored for decades. While the C-suite chases "pretty dashboards" and faster metrics, the trio explores why accelerating a bad process only leads to mediocre results at record speeds. From the danger of "disposable talent" to the looming leadership shortages of the late 2020s, this episode serves as a sharp wake-up call for any leader hiding behind a tech stack. It’s time to find out if your talent strategy is a cohesive ecosystem or just a collection of expensive pilots—before the 2026 deadline forces the issue. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Quincy Valencia 02:10 - The Big Reckoning: Predictions for 2026 05:35 - AI's Impact on Organizational Structure 10:00 - The Challenge of Talent Management 12:59 - The Future of Talent Acquisition and AI 18:15 - Building a Talent Ecosystem 19:31 - The State of Talent Acquisition in Enterprises 24:36 - Challenges in Implementing Skills-Based Organizations 27:58 - The Role of Automation in Recruitment 31:44 - Balancing Technology and Human Interaction in Hiring 36:40 - The Big Reckoning in Talent Management

    39 min

  5. FEB 6

    Rippling Aims for Super Bowl Win | ‘TikTok Pivot’ Pays Off for LinkedIn | Resume Botox

    Get ready for a high-octane episode, as Joel Cheesman and Emi Beredugo take the mic to dissect everything from "bougie" McDonald's Valentine’s stunts to the high-stakes world of Big Tech. The duo dives deep into Rippling’s bold Super Bowl debut featuring Tim Robinson, debating whether the "evil genius" move is a brilliant recruitment play or a calculated nod to Wall Street. While Microsoft celebrates a massive LinkedIn revenue milestone—proving the platform has officially pivoted from a resume database to a short-form video powerhouse—the hosts shift gears to the grittier side of the job hunt. From the rise of "Resume Botox" and ageism to the "resume slop" currently clogging AI-driven hiring funnels, the gloves come off. Plus, don't miss the heated critique of ZipRecruiter’s new "Be Seen First" feature, which Emi and Joel argue might be doing more harm than good for the modern candidate. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Super Bowl Excitement 05:04 - The Beckham Family Drama 08:58 - Valentine's Day Fast Food Promotions 14:09 - Rippling's Super Bowl Ad 22:01 - LinkedIn's Revenue Growth and Strategy 27:57 - The Rise of Resume Botox and Ageism in Job Market 30:58 - The Age Discrimination Dilemma 35:59 - AI's Impact on Hiring Practices 45:00 - The Clumsy Evolution of Recruitment 56:04 - ZipRecruiter's Controversial New Feature

    1h 8m

  6. FEB 5

    Shredded: Waabi Innovation, LinkedIn, Wellfound, Hirefly, Waymo, Rippling, Veremark & More

    The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

    7 min

  7. FEB 3

    Are Job Boards Solving the Hiring Problem?

    Chad & Cheese are back to bite the hand that feeds the recruitment world. In this episode, the boys sit down with Lou Goodman, the industry vet behind the "Job Board Revolution?" report, and Martin Lenz, the tech mind leading Jobiqo, to dismantle the 30-year-old myths holding the hiring world hostage. Between the typical banter and sharp European insights, the group explores why the current "pay-for-activity" model is fundamentally broken and whether the platforms we rely on are actually solving problems or just monetizing chaos. The conversation takes a hard look at the shift from raw volume to meaningful curation, questioning if the "job board" as we know it is evolving into something unrecognizable—or simply becoming an invisible data pipe for AI agents. From the death of the "click" to the rise of specialized niche players, this episode is a wake-up call for anyone betting on the status quo. If you're ready to stop selling the wrong product and start understanding where the talent marketplace is actually headed, grab Lou’s audio book and executive summary below. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to the Podcast and Guests 03:49 - The Research Behind Job Boards 11:03 - The Role of ATS in Recruitment 22:29 - Activity vs. Outcomes in Job Boards 26:08 - The Quiet Hiring Phenomenon 33:38 - Convincing Arguments for Job Boards' Relevance Job Board Revolution Audio BookFull version (2:38h): https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lvphp0qchdefwvjc4zfhd/ElevenLabs_Job_Board_Revolution_Full_report_v6_amends_highlighted_docx.mp3?rlkey=gz0bvrfe6ufjuy2xsn7o1jnhc&st=yl4fbfpo&dl=0 Blinkist style (9 min): https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/xe0ggzala2prtm7pmy50m/ElevenLabs_Blinkist_Job_Board_Revolution.mp3?rlkey=gudo0tzmgoxwhmpe1ee0ogukv&st=6omm6p11&dl=0

    40 min

  8. JAN 30

    Eightfold Gets Served

    This week on The Chad & Cheese Podcast, AI finally does what it does best: get companies sued. Eightfold gets dragged into the legal spotlight over secret AI scores, mystery data enrichment, and a definition of “responsible AI” that seems to change depending on which slide deck you’re watching. Meanwhile, Randstad says everything’s awesome while 40% of workers quietly grab a second job to keep the lights on. Cool cool cool. Totally normal economy. Then it’s off to Davos, where billionaire AI CEOs confidently explain why white-collar jobs are disappearing, physical labor is the future, and—don’t worry—the government will totally figure it out. The pie will grow. Your slice? TBD. Layer in Amazon and UPS layoffs, CEOs detachment from reality, and enough coded language to power a dystopian bingo card—and you’ve got an episode that asks the real question: If AI is so smart… why is everything getting dumber? 🎙️ Equal parts HR reckoning, tech side-eye, and group therapy.You’re gonna want a drink for this one.

    59 min
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

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    Evergreen Podcasts
  • Years Active
    2017 - 2026
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