The Chad & Cheese Podcast

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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

  1. 2D AGO

    iCIMS Shuffles, Phenom Splurges, & Greenhouse Gets Fashionable

    Hold onto your hats for another candid episode of The Chad & Cheese Podcast, where the industry’s most opinionated trio—Chad Sowash, Joel Cheesman, and JT O’Donnell—break down the latest HR tech shakeups. Between JT’s "29th" birthday celebrations and Chad "hydrating" with a Guinness in Portugal, the group dives deep into the iCIMS leadership change. Is a CFO-turned-CEO a sign of a bold new chapter or a flashing "For Sale" sign? The hosts don’t hold back on what this means for employees and customers alike.The acquisition trail is just as heated, as the team debates Phenom snapping up Plum.io and questions whether more "psychobabble" assessments actually solve hiring problems. On the flip side, there’s plenty of buzz around Greenhouse’s bet on Ezra AI Labs and the massive revenue potential behind LinkedIn’s new Agentic AI hiring tools. JT shares her exclusive early-access results, while the guys debate whether it’s a recruiter’s dream or just a glorified search bar. From a look at LinkedIn’s Thought Leader Ads to a fiery discussion on living wages and a shout-out to King Charles, this episode is packed with industry realism and sharp wit. It all culminates in a high-stakes round of "Who’d You Rather?" where the team chooses between the AI talent agents at Dex and the personalized coaching of Blooma.  Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Celebrations 02:56 - World Cup Ticket Prices and Attendance Concerns 05:57 - The Cost of Experiences and Living Wages 08:55 - Innovative Advertising on LinkedIn 12:00 - Political Commentary and Economic Insights 14:57 - Upcoming Events and Travel Plans 17:10 - Chicago Delicacies and Nostalgia 18:25 - Leadership Changes at iCims 19:15 - The Impact of New Leadership 22:19 - The Future of iCims 26:26 - Acquisitions in the Talent Assessment Space 30:08 - Behavioral Testing: A Critical Perspective 34:15 - Greenhouse's Strategic Acquisition of Ezra AI Labs 39:14 - The Value of Timing in Business Decisions 42:13 - LinkedIn's New AI Hiring Tools 50:10 - The Evolution of Recruitment Skills 54:11 - Innovative Job Seeking Strategies 01:00:24 - Comparing New Startups: Dex vs. Blooma

    1h 3m

  2. 3D AGO

    Shredded: Blomma, Dex, Checkr, HireClix, LinkedIn, Greenhouse, Indeed, & More

    The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

    6 min

  3. 5D AGO

    Talent Disruption Through the Ages with Jeff Taylor

    In this session, Jeff Taylor, the legendary founder of MonsterBoard and Monster.com, joins Chad to discuss his re-entry into the talent space after a 20-year hiatus. Taylor reflects on the industry’s "Jurassic period" and outlines his plan to disrupt the market once more with his new venture, Boomband. Episode Highlights The LinkedIn "What If": Jeff details the 2003 deal to buy LinkedIn for $304 million that was killed by his board because the company was "too profitable". Super Bowl Secrets: A look back at how a "failed" ironic ad led to a 700% traffic spike for Monster. The AI Wave: Why Jeff believes the current AI explosion rhymes with the 1997 dot-com bubble and his predictions for the next two years. Mapping the Market: An introduction to Boomband’s mission to map 175 million U.S. workers and eliminate the "hostage data model" of stagnant resumes. Disruption Philosophy: Why Jeff believes you have to "break your own shit" in the middle of the night before someone else does it for you. Sit back, relax, and enjoy.

    40 min

  4. MAY 1

    Personio Stays Home

    Personio: Going Big or Staying Home? After a grueling multi-year restructuring and retreating from the US market, Personio has finally reported its first profitable quarter in Q1 2026. However, the hosts argue the company chose to "stay home" rather than "go big" by releasing a "slop". announcement that lacked actual revenue figures and buried the lead under a "thirsty" acquisition of Aurio, an AI agent startup. The AI Layoff : Big tech giants like Meta and Amazon are slashing thousands of jobs to fund a massive $130 billion race into AI, essentially forcing employees to train the algorithms that may eventually replace them. UK vs. US Quality of Life: The team debates data suggesting the UK outperforms the US in healthcare, paid maternity leave, and life expectancy, though it still trails behind Belgium in several social metrics. Ethical Warfare at Palantir: Discussion centers on Alex Karp’s "techno-fascism" and the plight of engineers stuck between their moral beliefs and an "evil empire" involved in controversial government contracts. Nomad Health’s Strategic Pivot: Nomad Health is transitioning from a staffing agency to a software platform, aiming to become the "operating system" for the healthcare hiring industry to capture higher margins with lower headcount. LinkedIn’s Leadership Shakeup: Dan Shapiro replaces Ryan Roslansky as CEO, inheriting a mandate to reinvent the platform as AI shifts the fundamental landscape of professional networking.

    59 min

  5. APR 30

    Shredded: Meta, Nomad Health, Bullhorn, Robert Half, LinkedIn, Personio, Wenite, & More

    The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

    7 min

  6. APR 28

    The Spy Who Recruited Me

    In this high-stakes episode of HR’s Most Dangerous Podcast, Joel and Chad swap their usual banter for a masterclass in human psychology with Jim Lawler, a former CIA case officer who spent 25 years convincing people to commit treason for the United States. Lawler pulls back the curtain on the "addictive" world of espionage, describing his career across posh European postings as a relentless pursuit of the "adrenaline junkie" high that comes from subverting foreign governments. From his early days nearly skipping the agency for a "miserable" family business to the pinnacle of his career dismantling nuclear networks, Lawler shares the gritty reality of being a "professional manipulator" within the lanes of U.S. law. The conversation takes a fascinating turn as Lawler translates his CIA tradecraft into actionable wisdom for HR and recruiters. He breaks down the legendary MICE framework—Money, Ideology, Coercion, and Ego—explaining why he never recruited a "happy person" and why ego is often the most powerful leverage point for turning an asset. Whether it’s his ten qualities of a top recruiter—like "mastery of the metaphysics" and finding the "cracks" in a candidate’s psychological armor—or his surreal story of sitting on $1 billion in gold in a Swiss vault, this episode is a deep dive into the art of building trust in the most untrustworthy environments.

    39 min

  7. APR 24

    Gen Z Strikes Back : LinkedIn 'Artwashing' : Bots Gone Wild

    In this episode, Joel and JT break down the seismic shifts rocking the industry, from a massive restructuring wave hitting giants like Meta, Disney, and Snap to the high-profile leadership exits at JobCase and SeekOut. With over 80,000 tech layoffs already this year, we explore why VCs are now hunting for distressed assets and how companies are desperately pivoting toward AI to survive. We also dive into how Gen Z is navigating this "Darwinian" job market by ditching traditional networking for startup hustles, skilled trades, and a surprising return to "analog culture." The conversation takes a futuristic turn as we examine the rise of the machines—from Russia’s robot-led battlefield losses to China’s marathon-running humanoids and the expansion of Tesla’s RoboTaxis. Finally, we look at the "Art Washing" of LinkedIn, where stars like Grimes and top NFL prospects are trading stages and stadiums for B2B brand deals and AI tech ventures. Whether it's the death of the traditional music industry or the birth of low-casualty robot warfare, this episode covers the rapid evolution of how we work, fight, and build brands. Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Seasonal Reflections 02:59 - Gen Xers Learning to Code and AI Opportunities 05:58 - Shout Outs and Personal Updates 08:25 - Layoffs and Industry Changes 12:13 - Young Entrepreneurs and the Shift in Job Market 18:05 - The Role of Robots in Modern Warfare and Transportation 28:43 - Navigating the Future of Transportation 34:28 - The Evolution of Warfare and Military Recruitment 37:24 - Energy Crisis: Challenges and Opportunities 45:06 - Musicians on LinkedIn: A New Era of Branding 53:11 - The Changing Landscape of Live Music and Concerts

    1h 1m

  8. APR 23

    Shredded: LinkedIn, General Robotics, UKG, Tesla, Scale AI, Urfuture, LumApps, & More

    The Shred is a weekly roundup of what’s making headlines in the world of employment. The Shred is brought to you today by Jobcase.

    7 min
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Everything people and workforce—recruiting, marketing, technology, talent management, and workforce economics—delivered with biting sarcasm and unapologetic snark. Industry misfits Chad Sowash and Joel Cheesman bring their no-holds-barred opinions to dissect news, trends, and the occasional dumpster fire. If you’re a hiring company, staffing firm, or vendor looking for insights (and a thick skin), these two won’t just tell you what’s happening—they’ll tell you why you’re probably doing it wrong. Buckle up, buttercup.

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  • Creator
    Evergreen Podcasts
  • Years Active
    2017 - 2026
  • Episodes
    1.6K
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    © 2025 The Chad & Cheese Podcast
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