Exploring Washington State

Explore Washington State -Scott Cowan

What if you could sit down at your favorite coffee shop with the most interesting people in Washington State? Every episode does exactly that. Host Scott Cowan has unhurried conversations with artists, entrepreneurs, historians, and makers—people doing fascinating work across the state. These 60-minute episodes feel less like interviews and more like catching up with a friend who has great stories to tell. No scripts. No time limits. Just curiosity and good conversation. 340+ episodes and counting. There is always more to explore.

  1. 4d ago

    Not a Bog, a Fen: Inside the $1.5 Million Save of Bonaparte Meadows

    Kate Miller is the executive director of the Okanogan Land Trust, a nonprofit with two staff and an intern that protects working farms and ranches, wildlife habitat and water resources across Okanogan and western Ferry counties. Scott recorded this in their office in the town of Okanogan, in the county of Okanogan, a naming situation he admits gets him every time. Kate did not plan this career. She was born in Chapel Hill, grew up overseas while her father worked in global public health, went to Reed College, and finished a PhD in cultural anthropology in California. There was a postdoc in Vienna and teaching at Western Oregon University. Then COVID rearranged everything, a friend pointed her toward local environmental nonprofits, and she has now run this one for over five years. Her husband teaches at Tonasket Elementary. Most of this conversation is about one property. Bonaparte Meadows is 745 acres in the Okanogan Highlands, below Bonaparte Mountain near Bonaparte Lake, and at its centre sits roughly 265 acres of calcareous fen. Kate explains the distinction most of us never learn. A bog catches and holds rainwater, which is what makes bogs acidic. A fen is fed by groundwater welling up through the site. At Bonaparte that water filters through limestone, which makes it a calcareous fen, one of the rarest wetland types in the United States and the largest peat wetland in Okanogan County. Its deep peat soils hold water, store carbon, and feed cold clean flows into the Okanogan River watershed. Parts of it had been mined for peat. The family that owned it wanted to sell rather than place an easement, which meant the only way to protect it was to buy it outright. So a two person organisation in one of Washington's least populated and lowest income counties set out to raise 1.5 million dollars. Kate walks through how that actually works: state Recreation and Conservation Office grants that require a local match, the Ponderosa Dinner they hold every summer, the end of year mail campaign, and the part that surprised her most, which was how hard and how fast her own community gave. On August 12, 2026, five days after this conversation was recorded, Okanogan Land Trust announced that the For the Fen campaign had reached its 1.5 million dollar goal. Project partners include Trout Unlimited, the Okanogan Conservation District, North Central Washington Audubon Society, the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation and Sparrow Song Consulting. Restoration planning comes next. You can learn more about Bonaparte Meadows and its extraordinary capacity to sequester carbon, store water and provide habitat for wildlife and plant life on the Okanogan Land Trust campaign page. Giving now supports the stewardship fund for the property. Also covered: what a conservation easement actually restricts and what it leaves alone, why parcels under about 80 acres rarely qualify, how many years one easement takes, the 36 easements the trust now holds, and the worthy projects it has to turn down because two people can only do so much. Plus a divemaster certification in Egypt, and a firm ruling on cake. Chapters 00:00 Welcome, and an office in Okanogan, in Okanogan County 00:50 Chapel Hill, then overseas, then Reed, then a PhD in anthropology 06:02 What a land trust is, and what an easement does 08:46 Getting paid for an easement, or donating one for the tax benefit 12:31 How big a parcel has to be 13:11 So how long does all this take (watch her face) 17:24 Working with landowners 21:43 The water rises up through limestone, and that changes everything 30:37 Putting the water back 33:27 How you actually raise the money 34:57 The Ponderosa Dinner 40:54 What surprised her about her own community 44:46 Why this place, and who wanted it protected 46:34 What is next for the trust 49:32 Thirty six easements and counting 51:02 The projects they have to say no to 58:03 Where Kate eats 01:01:11 Getting divemaster certified in Egypt 01:06:14 Exploring Okanogan County 01:12:08 Protecting the trails around Wenatchee Kate's local picks Smallwoods, a little south of Okanogan toward Malott, for the porch, the smoked meats and the milkshake. Bonaparte Lake Resort, which is proud of its dinners and runs a smoked prime rib on Saturdays, with a reservation strongly advised in high season. She also named Crafted, Freebird, Tugboats and Scott Brothers. Links Okanogan Land Trust: okanoganlandtrust.org Bonaparte Meadows and the For the Fen campaign: okanoganlandtrust.org/protect-bonaparte-meadows-3 Exploring Washington State Podcast: explorewashingtonstate.com/podcast-2/

    Not a Bog, a Fen: Inside the $1.5 Million Save of Bonaparte Meadows
  2. 6d ago

    Greasy Fingerprints on a Beam: Inside Fort Flagler and Fort Worden

    Kelsey Lang looks after the museums at Fort Flagler and Fort Worden, and she lives at one of them. She grew up in central Florida, an hour north of Orlando. Her husband went looking for the rainiest place in the country that also had mountains, Washington came up, and after years of applying they made the move during COVID with a dog who could not fly and a U Haul driven by a hired stranger. Her degree is in marine science with minors in biology and geology, which is not the resume you expect from someone running two history museums. The best story in this episode is a ceiling beam. The Fort Flagler museum sits in the old quartermaster storehouse, and across one beam there is a scatter of greasy fingerprints at different heights. A volunteer anthropologist worked out the likely explanation: bored soldiers, stationed at the end of an island with no bridge and no ferry, greasing their fingertips to see who could jump the highest. Nobody has ever cleaned it off. She also points out something most visitors trip over without noticing. The concrete gun batteries have been aging for a century, rain pulls calcium carbonate out of the cracks, and it is recalcifying inside as stalactites, stalagmites and flowstones. There are caves forming inside the fortifications. Also covered: how she rebuilt both museums around human stories instead of glass cases, the scavenger hunt she designed by following her eight year old around and writing down everything at that eye level, the Junior Ranger program and why adults keep asking for their own version, and the interactive rooms at the Commanding Officer's Quarters where you can write in the commander's log, look over the parade grounds through vintage binoculars, and put on a fake mustache for a photo. Plus a footstool whose legs are literal deer legs, hooves attached, and a rug made from used silk underwear. Her advice, and it is the line worth keeping: the next time you drive past a state park sign, turn down the road. Just do it. CHAPTERS 00:00 Welcome back, and a host who admits he is rusty 00:52 Interpretive specialist, or park ranger 01:43 Central Florida to the Olympic Peninsula 05:00 Moving during COVID, with a dog and a U Haul 06:02 The museums Kelsey actually oversees 08:24 Living in ranger housing at Fort Flagler 09:47 Marine science to museum curation 11:49 Rebuilding the Fort Flagler museum 13:00 A scavenger hunt designed by an eight year old 15:15 How the Junior Ranger program works 20:29 Why Washington's parks are underappreciated 25:41 Favorite season at each fort 27:25 The greasy fingerprints on the storehouse beam 30:55 Cave formations growing inside the batteries 32:55 Camping at Fort Flagler, and the ranger pick 35:59 Coffee and lunch in Port Townsend 38:35 Inside the Commanding Officer's Quarters 43:34 The commander's log and the selfie station 50:17 Deer leg footstool, silk underwear rug 52:50 What still needs fixing, and the long term plan 01:01:41 Summer events at the parks 01:05:06 A recent visit to Peshastin Pinnacles KELSEY'S PORT TOWNSEND PICKS Coffee: Conduit Cafe, 1012 Lawrence St, Uptown. She orders an iced latte. Lunch: Tommyknocker's Cornish Pasty, 711 Water St. She goes for the mac and cheese. Lunch: The Old Whiskey Mill, 825 Water St. Camping: Fort Flagler site 37, back corner of the upper forested loop, the furthest spacing from your neighbors. Cake or pie: cake. Specifically spice cake. PLAN YOUR VISIT Fort Flagler Museum is open daily 11am to 4pm through August, then Wednesday through Sunday in September and October. Free, donations welcome, Discover Pass required to park. The Commanding Officer's Quarters Museum at Fort Worden is open Friday through Tuesday, 11am to 4pm, April through October. It is closed Wednesdays and Thursdays. The Rothschild House in Port Townsend is open Thursday through Saturday, 11am to 4pm, April through September. The Fort Flagler historic hospital tour is cancelled through August 30 for construction work. A Level 3 burn ban is in effect statewide through October 30. No charcoal or wood fires. Gas and propane stoves are fine. The Junior Ranger booklet can be downloaded from parks.wa.gov, and completed pages can be mailed in to earn the badge. A note on two numbers you will hear in this episode: Washington State Parks recorded more than 40 million visits in 2025, not the 36 million quoted from the sign, and Fort Flagler has 116 campsites rather than the 150 plus estimated in the conversation.

    Greasy Fingerprints on a Beam: Inside Fort Flagler and Fort Worden
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What if you could sit down at your favorite coffee shop with the most interesting people in Washington State? Every episode does exactly that. Host Scott Cowan has unhurried conversations with artists, entrepreneurs, historians, and makers—people doing fascinating work across the state. These 60-minute episodes feel less like interviews and more like catching up with a friend who has great stories to tell. No scripts. No time limits. Just curiosity and good conversation. 340+ episodes and counting. There is always more to explore.

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