It’s Not Always Black and White

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Bongi Msimanga and Matt Hodson explore their marriage. Talking love, race and the grey spaces in between. Producer: Emma Newman. Originally broadcast on BBC Radio Stoke.

  1. 05/26/2022

    Finding Your Tribe

    Bongi and Matt return for a one off special episode, but that means you get the chance to meet their new four-legged arrival (and find out what Winston makes of him!) Bongi flies solo in this episode to meet a group of black and Asian mums and talks about raising children in a predominately white community. Hear about the challenges they faced in even setting up the 'Black Mums of Cheshire' and the day to day support their new found tribe gives them, in everything from hair to tackling racism in schools. If you've enjoyed this episode, please give us a five star review and subscribe to It's Not Always Black and White wherever you get your podcasts.

    39 min

  2. 02/28/2022

    What I Don't Understand About Patriotism

    Bongi and Matt talk racial micro aggressions, unity and English patriotism, plus when it comes to multi-cultural food, there’s nowhere like Britain. They celebrate the progress of people re-educating themselves about the nuances when it comes to race, but wishes she didn't even need to talk about racism. But on the lighter side, can dogs be prejudiced? If you've enjoyed this episode of It's Not Always Black and White, don’t forget to subscribe and please consider leaving a five star review and comment on your favourite podcast app.

    28 min

  3. 02/21/2022

    Wearing Onesies To Bed

    Bongi and Matt get personal in this episode, talking about love, sex and relationships. They’re more honest and open than ever, even if Matt thinks Bongi is lying about her lingerie. Truth be told, and her sister who joins the conversation from South Africa agrees, she’s more likely to be found in a onesie than stockings! If you've enjoyed this episode of It's Not Always Black and White, don’t forget to subscribe and please consider leaving a five star review and comment on your favourite podcast app.

    27 min

  4. 02/14/2022

    It's Tough Talking About Emotions

    Bongi opens up about her own mental health and how hard she has found the last two years, sharing her experiences of racism and heart-breaking personal loss. Matt admits he's usually level headed but the pandemic and lockdown have been tough on his mental health, but both are thankful for Winston for keeping them going. If you've enjoyed this episode of It's Not Always Black and White, don’t forget to subscribe and please consider leaving a five star review and comment on your favourite podcast app.

    27 min

  5. 02/07/2022

    I Never Thought I’d Shower With A Dog

    Bongi and Matt reveal just how spoilt their 5 year old pug Winston is, what Bongi’s family in South Africa think of their pampering ways and how Winston helps lift things when the going gets tough. The couple open up about how Winston's pulled them through the hardest times in lockdown and discuss if it's set a precedent to the type of parents they'll be. If you've enjoyed this episode of It's Not Always Black and White, please subscribe and consider leaving a five star review or comment on your favourite podcast app.

    30 min

  6. 01/31/2022

    The Lord Moves In Mysterious Ways

    Bongi is a Christian and Matt is agnostic. In this episode they talk about their differing views when it comes to faith, what part religion will play in their future children’s lives and why Bongi likes to pray with their 5-year-old pug Winston. If you've enjoyed this episode of It's Not Always Black and White, don’t forget to subscribe and please consider leaving a five star review and comment on your favourite podcast app.

    35 min

  7. 01/24/2022

    You Can’t Choose Your Family

    Bongi and Matt talk openly about the cultural differences between their families, the fears they have about raising mixed race children and what their relationship with their 5-year-old pug Winston has taught them about parenting. If you've enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to subscribe and please consider leaving a five star review and comment on your favourite podcast app.

    34 min

  8. 01/18/2022

    It's Not Always Black & White Is Back

    It's not Always Black and White returns on Monday 24th January. Bongi and Matt are back and discuss their relationship and views on life as an interracial couple. They've also got a 5 year old pug called Winston who'll be making a regular appearance. They'll be chatting religion, sex and racism.

    2 min
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Bongi Msimanga and Matt Hodson explore their marriage. Talking love, race and the grey spaces in between. Producer: Emma Newman. Originally broadcast on BBC Radio Stoke.

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