The Julia La Roche Show

Julia La Roche

Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on "The Julia La Roche Show" have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.

  1. 17H AGO

    #330 Rick Rule: I Sold 80% of My Silver — Here's Why and Where I'm Putting It Now

    In this wide-ranging conversation, natural resource investor Rick Rule, president and CEO of Rule Investment Media and co-founder of Battle Bank, shares his macro outlook, warning that the global economy is weaker than most believe. He explains why he sold 80% of his physical silver after its run from $20 to $75 — and redeployed half into silver mining equities where he sees better leverage if prices hold. Rick breaks down the stark math behind America's $160 trillion in combined liabilities versus $167 trillion in total private net worth, arguing that a "dishonest default" through inflation is inevitable. He shares his framework for knowing when to sell, discusses the coming AI disruption to white-collar jobs, offers his candid views on the Fed and taxation, and provides an update on Battle Bank's national rollout after a 54-month regulatory journey. This episode is brought to you by VanEck.  Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia Timestamps: 0:00 Welcome back Rick Rule 0:47 Macro outlook: Global economy weaker than people think 3:19 Precious metals are "absolutely screaming" 4:14 Silver update: The coiled spring has sprung 5:16 What's driving the gold price 6:40 US debt: $160 trillion in liabilities vs $167 trillion net worth 9:48 Honest default vs dishonest default 11:00 Why CPI understates real inflation 13:22 What would fix this? (Hint: Nothing politically viable) 15:29 Where could gold go from here 16:37 Warning: Expect 30-50% drawdowns in this bull market 18:23 Is gold and silver still contrarian? 19:16 Why Rick sold 80% of his physical silver 20:47 Redeploying into silver mining equities 21:57 Rick's investment memo framework 24:00 Silver equities: The leverage opportunity 26:44 Wealth taxes and the nature of taxation 29:52 The New York City socialist experiment 33:35 How we fixed it in the 1970s — five lessons 37:34 Innovation as the way out 38:36 "Take care of yourself — society won't be able to" 42:29 Thoughts on the Federal Reserve 44:45 What would free market interest rates look like 46:56 Signs the economy is deteriorating 49:53 AI and the coming white-collar disruption 54:09 AI: "Greatest memory, no common sense" 55:09 Battle Bank update 58:08 Closing

    1 hr
  2. 3D AGO

    #329 Chris Whalen: Private Credit Is a Ticking Time Bomb | Banks Will Take Major Losses in 2026

    Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, joins The Julia La Roche Show for "The Wrap with Chris Whalen." In this episode of The Wrap, Whalen breaks down why GSE release is officially off the table after Trump ordered them to buy back their own debt—a move Whalen calls "politics" driven by midterm election fears. He shares his take on crypto as "a polite form of gambling," explains why he prefers gold over silver despite silver's recent run, and dives deep into the housing market's affordability crisis. Whalen reveals his biggest concern for 2026: the hidden risks in private equity and credit, calling them "rancid pools of illiquid, opaque assets" that could cause major bank losses. He also weighs in on the DOJ's subpoena of Fed Chair Jerome Powell, predicting Kevin Warsh will likely be the next Fed chair, and closes with his outlook on markets, the dollar, and bank stocks. Links:     The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/  Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673 Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen     Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/    Timestamps: 0:00 Welcome back to the Wrap with Chris Whalen 0:30 GSE release officially off the table? 2:32 The $200 billion announcement is politics 4:08 Political landscape and midterm elections 4:49 Crypto legislation falls apart 5:14 Crypto as speculation vs. gold & silver 6:40 Silver's short squeeze and volatility 8:30 Gold vs. silver as long-term trades 9:07 Copper and Dr. Copper as economic indicator 10:10 Housing policy and affordability crisis 12:10 Will the Fed allow home prices to fall? 14:30 Bank earnings season takeaways 16:50 Consumer delinquencies and economic warning signs 18:12 The hidden risk in private equity and credit 19:48 The "POOP" problem in private lending 21:42 Private credit as a ticking time bomb 22:58 Jerome Powell's DOJ subpoena 24:21 Kevin Warsh and the future of the Fed 27:05 Could the Fed resume MBS purchases? 28:56 Viewer question: NLY/Annaly REIT 30:52 Parting thoughts and 2026 outlook 31:46 Closing

    33 min
  3. 4D AGO

    #328 Peter Boockvar: Why $60 Oil Is One Of The Cheapest Assets In The World

    Peter Boockvar, Chief Investment Officer at One Point BFG Wealth Partners and author of The Boock Report, sees "bells ringing" on the AI tech trade with Oracle, CoreWeave, and Nvidia showing tiredness, and warns the question is whether the baton can be passed to other sectors without the market falling apart. His three favorite groups for 2026 are energy (where $60 oil is "one of the cheapest assets in the world" and he sees $70+ minimum), agriculture (fertilizer stocks like Mosaic and Nutrient), and beaten-down consumer staples offering "bond-like dividend yields with equity-like upside." On Venezuela, he disagrees with the oil-for-midterms thesis - it's really about stiff-arming China, Russia, and Iran, and won't impact oil supply for 5-10 years anyway. He's been trimming silver after its vertical move toward $100 but still likes gold driven by central bank buying and dollar diversification. His biggest concern: if we lose the AI trade, its dominance is so large it could take everything down with it. This episode is brought to you by VanEck.  Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia Links: Substack/The Boock Report: https://boockreport.com/ Twitter/X: https://x.com/pboockvar Timestamps: 00:00 Intro and welcome Peter Boockvar 01:18 2025 retro: World markets did really well, fire lit under international markets 03:15 Bells ringing on AI tech trade - Oracle, CoreWeave, Nvidia tiredness 05:45 China competition in AI - models more applicable, monetizing faster 06:30 Bifurcated economy: Manufacturing recession, lower-middle income spending weak 07:45 Data center build out - question of when not if it slows 08:30 Delta earnings: Premium cabin strong, main cabin no growth 09:15 Europe bifurcated too: Germany/France struggling, Spain/Greece doing well 11:36 Three favorite groups for 2026: Energy, ag, consumer staples 12:15 Energy: Bearish sentiment extreme, contrarian setup, CFTC net longs at 15-year lows 13:30 Venezuela: 5-10 years before notable production increase 14:15 OPEC production lagging quotas - most running at full capacity 15:00 US shale production slowing, rolling over even in Permian 15:45 Peak oil demand pushed out - hybrids winning, EV demand delayed 16:30 Ag: Fertilizer stocks - Mosaic, Nutrient - down and out value plays 17:15 Consumer staples destroyed over 12 months - deep value now 17:52 Names: Kimberly Clark, Nestle, Pepsi, ConAgra, Coke, Reynolds 18:24 Oil at $60 is one of the cheapest assets in the world - sees $70 minimum 19:15 Energy holdings: Exxon, BP, Shell, Canadian Natural Resources, Oxy, Noble, EQT 23:44 Venezuela won't impact oil supply for 5-10 years - focused on near-term 25:32 Inflation: Conflicting dynamics - services decelerating, goods inflation returning 27:00 Next Fed chair will have inflation dilemma - sticky around 3% 28:45 Services inflation could rebound in back half of 2026 as apartment supply absorbed 29:01 Reaction to Powell subpoena 30:09 Powell is done cutting - will be playing 18 holes in June 31:28 Last Fed cut was not necessary - took neutral rate below 1% 32:30 Need low and stable prices first, then labor market improves 35:34 Gold north of $4,600 - levels don't surprise, maybe pace did 36:27 Silver at $92 - trimming position, tree needs to take a breather 37:30 Gold thesis: Central bank buying, dollar diversification has more legs 38:49 2025 lesson: World woke up to opportunities outside mag seven 40:22 What not to own: Mag seven, long duration bonds 40:46 Japan matters for global rates - JGB yields rising, canary in coal mine 42:00 Bullish emerging market local currency bonds - better finances, cheap currencies 42:57 EM names: China, Malaysia, Singapore, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Indonesia 43:45 Biggest risk: Losing AI trade and gap up in long-term rates 44:24 Optimism: Broadening out continues, international markets, commodity trade has legs 45:03 Parting thoughts: Investors need to be flexible in their thinking

    46 min
  4. 5D AGO

    #327 Jim Rogers: Out Of US Stocks, Not A Bubble Yet & Holding Not Buying Gold

    Jim Rogers, who has sold all his US shares, warns that the American market has been going up longer than ever in history and when people say "it's different this time," you should look out the window and ask questions. While he doesn't think we're in a bubble yet, he sees bubble characteristics forming and is watching for signs to start shorting - like kids leaving college for the stock market and everyone talking about their investments. Rogers is deeply concerned about the $38.6 trillion in balance sheet debt plus over $200 trillion in off-balance sheet obligations, noting that historically this has always led to big problems. He still owns gold and silver but isn't buying at all-time highs, holds positions in China and Uzbekistan, and says he's "not happy" about the US capturing Venezuela's president - calling it "not normal" and "not defensible on the international stage." His stark conclusion: "It's a good time to be an old American. Young Americans are going to have lots of problems in their lifetime." This episode is brought to you by VanEck.  Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia 00:00 Intro and welcome Jim Rogers 01:28 US economy and market going up longest in American history - sold all US shares 02:06 Has the US performance surprised you? 02:53 What questions should we be asking right now? 02:58 When should I start selling short? Exuberance setting us up for a top 03:41 Still owns shares in Uzbekistan and China - assessing China after recent run 04:12 Is the US in a bubble? Not yet, but beginning to have bubble characteristics 05:31 Worst crisis in our lifetime still coming - debt is unbelievable 07:55 Fed Chair Powell DOJ subpoena 11:00 US debt highest in history of the world, Fed printing huge amounts of money 13:12 Gold and silver performance - owns both, not selling, will buy more if they go down 15:34 Room to run in precious metals? Debt skyrocketing, money printing everywhere 16:36 What signs would make you short? 17:27 America losing financial wherewithal 19:44 Portfolio: Watching China go straight up, watching Uzbekistan, not adding 21:30 Venezuela 22:53 Nearly every stock market in the world making new highs - time to ask questions 24:56 Greatest strength and weakness as investor? 25:57 Biggest mistake? 27:46 Parting thoughts

    30 min
  5. JAN 10

    #326 Chris Whalen: Trump's Idiotic Mortgage Bond Idea & Why Institutional Investors Aren't The Problem - The Fed Is

    Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, joins The Julia La Roche Show for "The Wrap with Chris Whalen." In this episode, Whalen calls Trump's $200 billion mortgage bond buyback idea "idiotic" and says institutional investors aren't the problem with housing - the Fed buying 30-year mortgages and driving up home prices 50% in five years was the real culprit. He explains the Fed has been "operating like a hedge fund" with dangerous variable duration securities that won't pay off for over 10 years. On Venezuela, Whalen says it should have happened long ago - the Iranians had offensive missiles there that could strike the US, and he's astounded previous administrations tolerated it. He warns AI hype is now a systemic risk to tech valuations, with Oracle's Larry Ellison risking his company to chase the crowd, and predicts 2025's "magical year with no apparent cost for risk" is ending as banks prepare for consumer credit deterioration in 2026-27. Links:     The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/  https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira796 Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673 Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen     Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/    Timestamps: 00:00 Intro and welcome Chris Whalen 00:48 Non-farm payrolls report - weakness supports those saying economy is weak 01:46 Rate cuts likely this year on short end, but long-term rates not coming down 02:45 Trump's $200 billion mortgage bond idea - Chris calls it "idiotic" 07:25 Housing correction already building in weaker markets 08:24 Institutional investors not the problem - Fed buying 30-year mortgages was the problem 12:04 What would actually help housing? Build more houses, change zoning 13:04 NYC 18:16 Venezuela should have happened long ago 24:49 AI hype now a systemic risk to tech valuations? 27:06 Buying cheap financials - Flagstar below book, knows the team 28:39 2025 magical year with no apparent cost for risk - that's changing 30:05 Bank earnings next week 30:35 Viewer question: Deregulation impact on banks and real estate 32:53 Viewer question: If correction coming, wouldn't metals also fall? 34:52 Wrap up and parting thoughts

    37 min
  6. JAN 9

    #325 David Woo: The World Is Not The Same After This Week

    Macro trends blogger and economist David Woo @DavidWooUnbound, CEO of David Woo Unbound, a global forum devoted to the promotion of fact-based debates about markets, politics, and economics, argues the world changed forever after the US captured Maduro on January 3 in "Operation Absolute Resolve" - the first time in 100 years a country took out another head of state without consent. He explains this signals the death of the rule-based international order, making gold extremely bullish as countries can no longer trust the dollar system. Woo's key trades for 2026: short oil (December contract heading to high 40s/low 50s) as Trump needs to win the affordability argument for midterms, and he gives 65% odds of a massive $2,000 tariff rebate stimulus package. He admits getting gold completely wrong last year (up 60%) but remains bullish, warns the K-shaped economy consensus is about to be upended if lower oil and stimulus help the bottom 80%, and identifies the AI bubble bursting as the biggest risk - with Microsoft's January 28 earnings as a crucial date. This episode is brought to you by VanEck.  Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia Woo, the former head of Global Interest Rates, Foreign Exchange, Emerging Markets Fixed Income Strategy & Economics Research at Bank of America, is known for some of his bold and contrarian calls, including Trump winning the presidential race in 2016 (https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/bofaml-analyst-got-ovation-from-co-workers-the-morning-after-election.html), and that the 2020 US presidential election would be much closer than expected and the results contested (https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/the-dangerous-groupthink-stalking-wall-street-20210909-p58q48). Links:   Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavidWooUnbound Website: https://www.davidwoounbound.com/ Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/Davidwoounbound Timestamps: 0:00 Intro and welcome David Woo 01:28 Macro picture - don't fight Trump 02:31 Midterm election is the biggest story of 2026 05:17 Affordability argument - Venezuela about oil - not democracy, not drugs 12:45 Tariff rebate? 65% chance of massive fiscal stimulus before midterms 16:10 Don't fight Trump - theme of 2026 16:35 Gold was up 60% - the ultimate Trump trade of 2025 17:15 Short oil is the ultimate Trump trade of 2026 19:03 K-shape economy consensus about to be upended 20:43 What David got wrong on gold last year 26:17 The world is not the same - Venezuela changes everything 31:45 US tech lead over China shrinking from 2-3 years to 6 months 33:54 Knock-on effects: Bearish emerging markets, bullish defense, bullish gold 38:57 OPEC biggest loser - lost Venezuela, may lose Iran 42:04 TACO or FAFO? 44:44 Why does stock market matter to Trump? 49:34 Biggest risk for 2026: Bursting of AI bubble 52:10 Retail buy-the-dip crowd - most powerful force in markets 54:14 Wrap up and where to find David Woo

    55 min
  7. JAN 8

    #324 Henrik Zeberg: Blow Off Top Underway - Real Economy Already Sinking

    Henrik Zeberg, head macro economist at SwissBlock and author of The Monetary House of Cards, warns that despite stock markets hitting all-time highs, the real economy is sinking fast - private job creation has fallen below recessionary levels seen in 2007, and 90% of US consumers are now worse off than going into both the 2008 financial crisis and the 1929 depression. Using his Titanic metaphor, he explains first class passengers (top 10%) are still at the bar while third class is already in the water. Zeberg predicts a blow-off top with the S&P potentially hitting 8,200 before a crash worse than 2008, driven by central bank hubris that will trigger stagflation when the Fed inevitably intervenes. He's long-term bullish on gold and silver but warns of a short-term pullback as the dollar spikes to 120+ on the DXY during the deflationary bust, and explains why there's no easy way out this time - we've exhausted the free lunch of money printing. This episode is brought to you by VanEck.  Learn more about the VanEck Rare Earth and Strategic Metals ETF: http://vaneck.com/REMXJulia Links: Swissblock SEM website:https://swissblock.net/products/sem Twitter/X: https://x.com/swissblock_SEM X: https://x.com/HenrikZeberg Substack: https://henrikzeberg.substack.com/ Book: https://buy.stripe.com/aFacN62DQdYFbZt9APaR201 TEDx: https://youtu.be/DAmoawIOMbs?si=Infb0cLi8YPxdX4H 00:00 Intro and welcome Henrik Zeberg 01:22 Macro view, the real economy is about job creation, not financial markets 04:13 90% of consumers worse off than going into 2008 and 1929 05:58 Titanic metaphor: First class denying while third class already in water 06:56 Chart: ADP private job creation declining to recessionary levels 08:26 Illusion of stability: Stock market disconnect from economy 09:07 Stock market doesn't predict recessions - look at unemployment 11:15 Zeberg business cycle model pointing to recession 14:55  Bond market sniffing out problems - yield curve signals 20:02 Central banks and the Fed: The hubris problem 23:02 2020 changed everything - inflation is back as a factor 25:26 Gold and silver starting to show end game signs 26:20 If Fed intervenes with more stimulus, it creates stagflation 28:03 Henrik's views on gold and silver clarified 30:55 Dollar regime coming - DXY could spike 32:12 Long-term bullish gold/silver but short-term pullback expected 35:35 Navigating different regimes as an investor 38:19 Strong dollar implications 39:06 Current regime still risk-on, riding the blow off top 43:29 Why this recession will be worse than 2008 48:21 No easy way out - we're at the end of the Keynesian curve 49:12 Can we get back to sound money? Only through pain 51:41 Under the radar trend: Realization of how bad consumer really is 53:55 AI won't save us short-term - actually reduces jobs needed 54:25 Wrap up: Think for yourself, do your own research

    57 min
  8. JAN 3

    #323 Chris Whalen: A Generational Reset Of Credit & Asset Valuations - Corporate Credit Worsens 2026, Housing Decline 2027-28 & The Cost Of QE

    Chris Whalen, chairman of Whalen Global Advisors and author of The Institutional Risk Analyst blog, joins The Julia La Roche Show for "The Wrap with Chris Whalen" for his 2026 outlook. In this episode, Whalen warns of a market correction comparable to 2008, driven by carnage in private equity where hundreds of companies cannot be sold and sponsors are selling companies to themselves. After a decade-and-a-half Fed liquidity party, he predicts corporate credit will worsen in 2026, setting the stage for a housing market decline in 2027-28. Whalen reveals fraud has become epidemic in housing thanks to AI-altered bank statements, discusses the global power shift as Shanghai now sets gold prices (not Chicago or London), and explains why Powell will likely stay on the Fed board through 2028 to protect the institution - betraying Trump just like every Fed chair before him. Links:     The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/  https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira794 Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673 Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen     Website: https://www.rcwhalen.com/    Timestamps: 0:00 Intro and welcome back to The Wrap with Chris Whalen 01:25 2025 retrospective 3:35 Big stories of 2026 05:30 Midterms 08:21 Maxi market correction coming alongside 2008 in textbooks 15:09 Will Powell retire or remain on the board? 16:45 Will we see a more hawkish Fed in 2026? 17:50 Default rates 21:25 What happens with housing in 2026 22:42 Drawing parallels to the Gilded Age 26:29 Gold and silver - another good year ahead 32:41 Viewer question: Annaly mortgage REIT common vs preferred 36:48 What's on the radar next week: Big investment banks piece 38:18 Wrap up and where to find Chris Whalen

    40 min
4.6
out of 5
68 Ratings

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Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on "The Julia La Roche Show" have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.

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