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Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being

  1. Medicine in Our Wounds: Liza Rankow

    2D AGO

    Medicine in Our Wounds: Liza Rankow

    Dr. Liza J. Rankow, author of Soul Medicine for a Fractured World, explores healing justice in a time of social and ecological upheaval. She names oppositional dualism and domination as the root fracture of our world and invites a shift toward lived non-duality as the ground of lasting transformation. The conversation touches the “crucible of the in-between,” apocalypse as death and renewal, grief as medicine, and the movement from commodified self-care to soul care rooted in spirit, community, and nature. The conversation emphasized deep listening, silence, and relationship with the living world. Today’s episode closes with a simple guided breath practice for self, loved ones, and the world. Topics 00:00 Opening  01:20 Why This Book Now 03:41 What’s Fracturing Us 07:21 Crucible of the In Between 14:52 Medicine in the Wound 20:11 Grief as Collective Wisdom 26:28 Soul Care vs Self Care 32:02 Mystic Activism and Oneness 34:57 Breath And Service 35:59 No Spiritual Bypass 37:00 Oneness With Perpetrators 39:18 Mysticism And Justice 41:08 Nature As Practice 44:23 Purpose And Gifts 47:44 Deep Listening 53:25 Silence And Reckoning 56:13 Darkness As Source 58:20 Closing Practice And Book Resources LizaRankow.org Soul Medicine for a Fractured World     “Mysticism and Social Action” by Dr. Howard Thurman Soul Work for Times of Uncertainty - SAND Podcast with Francis Weller   Engaged Contemplation - SAND Podcast with Fr. Adam Bucko Glissando of Consciousness - SAND Podcast with Andrew Holecek Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 7m
  2. "If I Must Die": Samah Jabr & Mays Imad

    FEB 19

    "If I Must Die": Samah Jabr & Mays Imad

    Recorded live at a SAND Community Gathering (Feb 2026) Dr. Samah Jabr, a Palestinian psychiatrist and author of Radiance in Pain and Resilience, joins Dr. Mays Imad (with questions from the audience chat) for a conversation about what it means to stay human when the structures meant to protect people are the ones doing the harm. Drawing on decades of clinical work inside the occupation, Dr. Jabr moves past the “sanitized” versions of trauma to speak directly to the heart of colonial harm in Palestine. Central to this dialogue is an exploration of the deep ontological differences between Western psychiatric models and Palestinian lived experience. While Western frameworks often pathologize the individual through the lens of PTSD, Dr. Jabr introduces the concept of iptila—viewing tribulations through a framework of agency, faith, and collective endurance. She challenges the frequent romanticization of sumud (steadfastness), reframing it not as a poetic trope, but as a grueling relational practice and an ethical refusal to disappear when everything conspires toward Palestinian erasure. In a reality where the harm never ends, memory becomes a battlefield, grief a form of testimony, bearing witness an active refusal to normalize the unacceptable, and storytelling a vital survival infrastructure against the assassination of memory.Join Dr. Samah Jabr · March 1, 8, 15 & 22, 2026 • 9:00 – 11:00am PSTDecolonial Mental Health Practice: Clinical and Ethical Insights from PalestineA four-part webinar presented by SAND Topics 00:00 Welcome & Why We Need a New Framework for Trauma and Justice 02:15 “If I Must Die”: Carrying Memory, Refusing Normalization 03:13 Introducing Dr. Samah Jabr’s Work: Pain, Power, and a Counter-Narrative 07:55 A Childhood Lesson in Naming: Robinson Crusoe and Colonial Language 10:10 Clinic Stories: When Political Reality Shapes Symptoms 14:14 Beyond Western Psychiatry: Language, Resilience, and Context as the ‘Pathology’ 17:19 The ‘Fear of Dogs’ Case: History, Colonial Violence, and Clinical Meaning 20:40 When Systems Collapse: Gaza’s Crushed Mental-Health Response & Organic Community Care 25:04 Collective Healing & the Kite Intervention: Building Agency and Connection 29:31 From Mobilization to Organization: Global Solidarity and Liberation 34:31 How to Keep Working: Hope, Spirituality, and Protecting Health Workers 41:58 Meaning-Making in Crisis: The Palm Tree Story and Spiritual Grounding 45:22 Spirituality as Resilience: Listening for What Helps Each Person 47:13 Scaling Mental Health Support in Palestine: Training Community Helpers 49:00 Creating “Healing Spaces”: Group Support for Journalists, Youth & Displaced Women 53:22 Reporting Gaza From Afar: Citizen Journalism, Narrative Control & Ethical Witnessing 59:44 How to Support Palestine Sustainably: Remote Mental Health, Publishing & Advocacy 01:05:37 Colonialism, Patriarchy & Horizontal Violence: When Trauma Damages the Social Fabric 01:10:03 Meaning-Making Under Protracted Trauma: Tila, Agency & Shattered Belief Systems 01:15:16 Diaspora Palestinians: From Helping Family to Leading Global Political Solidarity 01:21:55 Closing Charge: Being Human After Mass Violence + Upcoming Webinars & Films Resources   Dr. Samah Jabr’s book Art by Fernando Martí and Jess X. Snow, inspired by Huda Suboh’s quote: “In the heart of Gaza, where the echoes of war reverberate through the streets… each day, glimmers of hope that dance across the sky—kites.” — Rafah, 2024 Support this conversation by donating to Sumud Network for Mental Health and Healing for Gaza   Where Olive Trees Weep (Film by SAND on Palestine (2024) with more Resources and a course on Palestine)

    1h 27m
  3. Consciousness: Tiokasin Ghosthorse

    FEB 12

    Consciousness: Tiokasin Ghosthorse

    What if language was not a tool for naming things, but a vibration of relationship? What if intelligence wasn’t a human asset, but an ecological rhythm? What if consciousness is not what happens in our heads—but what happens between us, through us, with the land, with water, with wind?   Come gather for a conversation with Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Cheyenne River Lakota elder, host of First Voices Radio, master musician, and steward of relational ways of knowing. Rooted in the vibrational teachings of the old Lakota language, a language shaped by Earth and used to speak with, not about, Tiokasin invites us to unlearn the dominance of human-centered thought and listen again to Earth as consciousness.   First Voices Indigenous Radio   Butterfly Against the Wind   Topics   00:00 Introduction and Greetings 00:48 Introducing Tiokasin Ghosthorse 01:28 Tiokasin's Background and Philosophy 04:36 The Concept of Land Acknowledgement 05:59 Relational Values and Indigenous Wisdom 08:02 Language and Consciousness 16:09 Mystery and Present Consciousness 27:54 Environmentalism and Connection to Earth 35:04 Understanding WIA and Innocence 36:34 The Role of Elders and Wisdom 37:58 Relational Intelligence vs. Western Education 39:14 Cultural Trauma and Language Suppression 45:41 Earth Consciousness and Modern Anxiety 50:04 The Illusion of Control and AI 58:38 Ceremony and Earth Cycles 01:03:32 Final Thoughts and Gratitude Connect with more with Tiokasin and dozens of other speakers and elders  in the SAND film Series The Eternal Song Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 7m
  4. Listening in Reverie: Ellen Emmet

    FEB 5

    Listening in Reverie: Ellen Emmet

    In this conversation, Ellen Emmet reflects on her path into Jungian analysis and how the teachings of Carl Jung continue to shape her inner life, clinical work, and spiritual inquiry. Together, we explore what it means to hold depth psychology and nondual realization in the same field—without collapsing one into the other. The dialogue moves through questions of decolonizing therapy, the subtle dynamics of spiritual bypass, and the kind of deep listening required when working with the unconscious—both personal and collective. Ellen speaks to the body as a threshold into the psyche’s wilderness, and to the necessity of staying in relationship with what is unresolved, uncomfortable, and unfinished. Threaded throughout is a concern for the wider world: how collective trauma, ancestral memory, and the current socio-political moment ask to be included in spiritual and therapeutic work—not bypassed. This is a conversation about remembrance, embodiment, and the slow work of integration in times of upheaval. Ellen offers meetings and retreats through The Awakening Body, an experiential exploration rooted in nondual inquiry, Authentic Movement, and direct listening to lived experience. She also maintains a private psychotherapy practice and facilitates Authentic Movement groups. EllenEmmet.com Topics 00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview 01:05 Reflecting on Past Conversations 01:41 Journey into Jungian Analysis 02:50 Exploring Carl Jung's Theories 05:31 The Process of Individuation 13:17 Decolonizing Therapy 16:40 Spiritual Bypassing and Social Issues 20:48 Facing the Darkness: Confronting Fear and Avoidance 22:17 The Deadly Silence: Censorship in Spiritual Spaces 23:19 Heartbreak as a Spiritual Connection 26:09 The Power of Collective Healing 28:03 Listening with Reverence and Reverie 36:09 The Wildness of the Body: Embracing Natural Movement 39:39 Concluding Thoughts and Future Connections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    41 min
  5. Soul Work for Times of Uncertainty: Francis Weller

    JAN 29

    Soul Work for Times of Uncertainty: Francis Weller

    From a SAND Community Gathering (December 2025), Francis Weller joins SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo for a wide-ranging conversation on grief, initiation, and the sacred thresholds of a changing world.   They speak of rough passages and necessary descents—of what must burn away, and what endures. With Francis’s steady guidance, sorrow, longing, beauty, and vulnerability are reclaimed not as weaknesses, but as profound sources of strength, orientation, and soul knowledge.   Rooted in the soulcraft teachings of his book In the Absence of the Ordinary, the dialogue unfolds in a spirit of reverence and remembrance. Together, they explore the unraveling of the familiar as an invitation into deeper belonging—grief as a living portal, and beauty as a practice of staying close to what is sacred, even in times of descent.   Topics   00:00 Introduction and Acknowledgements 01:09 Guest Introduction: Francis Weller 02:02 Opening Reflections on Soul and Rhythm 03:17 The Modern Frenzy vs. Soul's Rhythm 05:32 Therapy and the Soul's Healing Process 12:09 The Role of Wounds in Soul Work 16:35 Confession and Community Healing 23:17 Collective Psyche and Modern Challenges 28:39 Historical Roots of Disconnection 31:25 Grief and Ancestral Memory 33:47 Understanding Grief in a Shallow Culture 35:06 The Three Layers of Experience 35:18 The Role of Ritual in Processing Grief 36:00 Fear and Control in Grief Expression 36:22 The Importance of Containment Fields 36:48 Cultural Rituals and Their Significance 40:21 Creating Personal Rituals 50:32 The Long Dark: Embracing Uncertainty 56:13 The Sacred in Everyday Life 59:13 The Role of Elders in a Fragmented World 01:03:12 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 5m
  6. Indigenous Ways of Knowing: Dr. Leroy Little Bear

    JAN 22

    Indigenous Ways of Knowing: Dr. Leroy Little Bear

    Blackfoot scholar Dr. Leroy Little Bear shares foundational Indigenous ways of knowing—revealing a worldview built on energy, motion, and relationship rather than matter, time, and separation.In this conversation, Little Bear illuminates how Blackfoot philosophy understands reality through "interpretive templates"—cultural lenses shaped by language, land, and cosmology. Where Western thought centers singularity and fixed answers, Blackfoot ways embrace flux, transformation, and "all my relations."Dr. Leroy Little Bear is a Blackfoot legal scholar, professor emeritus, and prominent Indigenous rights advocate from the Blood Tribe. He is a founding member of the Native American Studies Department at the University of Lethbridge, served as the director of the Harvard University Native American Program, and played a crucial role in shaping Canadian constitutional law to recognize Indigenous rights, including contributing to Section 35 of the Constitution Act. His work extends to international advocacy, advising the United Nations on the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, and he has received numerous honors, such as the Order of Canada and the Alberta Order of Excellence.Topics   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:45 Guest Introduction: Dr. Leroy Little Bear 01:42 Blackfoot Tradition and Identity 02:59 Western vs. Blackfoot Worldview 10:15 Energy Forces and Relationships 27:39 Impact of Colonization 34:26 Language and Interpretive Templates 54:38 Closing Remarks and Gratitude Explore more in Indigenous Worldviews in the SAND film Series The Eternal SongSupport the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    56 min
  7. Healing with Songlines: Joe Williams & Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon

    JAN 15

    Healing with Songlines: Joe Williams & Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon

    This episode was recorded live at The Eternal Song Film Gathering in 2025.  Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo welcome Dr. (Uncle) Paul Gordon and Joe Williams, featured in the upcoming SAND Film In the Circle of Life premiering January 20, 2026. In this conversation they discuss the profound importance of connection to the land, cultural heritage, and traditional practices in achieving wellness. The conversation reveals how Indigenous wisdom can address modern societal woes and highlights the importance of respecting and maintaining a deep relationship with the natural world. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview 00:47 Meet Uncle Paul Gordon 01:59 Language and Cultural Connections 03:01 Introducing Joe Williams 16:26 Joe Williams' Journey and Spiritual Awakening 22:07 Aboriginal Perspectives on Wellbeing and Grief 26:23 Understanding Time and Connection to Country 29:40 Ancient Knowledge and Star Stories 30:50 Connection to Country and Ancestral Wisdom 44:25 The Role of Ceremony and Responsibility 52:22 Healing Through Connection to Nature 57:55 Final Thoughts and Resources Resources In the Circle of Life The Living Country Community  Recorded live at The Eternal Song Seven Day Film Premiere summit with Indigenous voices Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 1m
  8. Dispatches Through the Rubble: Haidar Eid & Ashira Darwish

    JAN 8

    Dispatches Through the Rubble: Haidar Eid & Ashira Darwish

    From a recent SAND Community Gathering (December 2025). This urgent conversation, facilitated by Ashira Darwish and rooted in Haidar Eid’s new book Banging on the Walls of the Tank, moves through the fractured present of Gaza, bringing forth a chorus of resistance, mourning, refusal, and clarity.   This is a dispatch from within the rubble, the classroom, the lull between airstrikes. Together. Eid and Darwish hold the line inside the unbearable: the grief of ongoing genocide and the insistence on liberation; the impossibility of hope and the necessity of imagining otherwise.   Their conversation refuses erasure, insists on dignity, and carries the clarity of those living under siege with purpose and memory intact.   This conversation carries the vibration of Gaza’s resistance outward, inviting listeners not just to witness, but to respond. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Opening Remarks 00:58 Context of the Gaza Genocide 02:23 Introducing Haidar Eid and Ashira Darwish 02:32 Haidar Eid's Background and Experience 03:19 Ashira Darwish's Introduction and Role 05:42 Haidar Eid's Personal Account of the Genocide 07:17 The Impact of the Genocide on Haidar's Life 09:51 Tribute to Fallen Colleagues and Students 11:55 The Importance of Palestinian Narratives 14:57 Historical Context and Ongoing Genocide 27:34 The Human Cost and Personal Stories 29:00 Protecting Stories and Dignity 29:40 Understanding Israeli Society and Zionism 32:33 The Role of International Support 34:08 The BDS Movement and Palestinian Civil Society 35:47 The Call for Global Solidarity 43:18 Banging on the Walls of the Tank 53:12 A Shift in the Global Narrative 58:17 Final Thoughts and Call to Action Resources Project Hope Palestine Catharsis Holistic Healing Palestine BDS Movement Ashira Darwish’s Website   Where Olive Trees Weep   Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 1m
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Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being

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    Science and Nonduality
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
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