13th & Park

Ballard Partners
  • 5.0 (20)
  • Politics

"13th & Park" hosts insightful conversations with special guests covering a broad range of topics from politics and government, to technology, culture, economics and the media. Listeners eavesdrop on what feel like private conversations featuring the savviest and most highly regarded minds in the country. The show, co-hosted by media veterans Adam Goodman and Justin Sayfie, is produced by Ballard Partners in the Ballard Studios in Washington DC.

  1. Pat Condo on Building AI We Can Actually Trust | Seekr CEO on 13th & Park

    1d ago

    Pat Condo on Building AI We Can Actually Trust | Seekr CEO on 13th & Park

    Send us Fan Mail Pat Condo, CEO of Seekr Technologies, joins 13th & Park for a wide-ranging conversation on artificial intelligence, national security, and why the next great power competition may be decided not by who builds the smartest AI, but by who builds the most trustworthy one. Drawing on decades of work across defense programs, intelligence, and technology, Condo frames AI as the defining feature of 21st century superpower status, comparing its geopolitical weight to the role nuclear weapons played in shaping the post-World War II world order. Condo breaks down the core challenge facing AI today: provenance, lineage, and intent. He explains how training data shapes the outputs of AI models, how bias and misinformation get baked in from the start, and why the explosion of open-source models and AI agents, including those originating from China, poses a serious and underappreciated national security risk. He points to 60 million deepfakes generated daily as evidence that the unintended consequences of AI are already here, and warns that the race to build fast is outpacing the effort to build safely. The conversation explores how Seekr Technologies approaches AI governance the way a financial auditor approaches a balance sheet, tracing assumptions through a system to verify that what comes out can actually be trusted. Condo argues that the solution is not to slow AI down, but to channel it through the right governance frameworks and transparency standards, the same principles that made institutions like the SWIFT financial system reliable at global scale. Condo also reflects on his own path from the MX missile guidance program at Northrop to Digital Equipment Corporation to founding companies around search and discovery. He closes with a direct message: the debate over AI should not be framed as good versus evil, but as a civilization-scale opportunity that demands urgency, governance, and a commitment to transparency before the chaos of an uncontrolled rollout becomes impossible to reverse. Chapters 0:00 Intro 1:34 AI as a Civilizational Shift 2:38 Controlling and Validating AI 3:57 Provenance, Lineage, and Intent 5:46 Deepfakes and Hallucinations 8:35 China and the AI Arms Race 9:29 How Seekr Technologies Works 10:49 Ethics, Laws, and Human Oversight 12:55 What Keeps Pat Up at Night 13:49 The Speed of AI Development 15:10 Pat Condo's Background in Tech 16:44 Government and Technology 18:16 Why Every American Should Care 19:27 Closing Thoughts Follow Us! X: https://x.com/13thandPark IG: https://www.instagram.com/13th_and_park/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13thandpark TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@13th_and_park Follow Pat Condo LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickcondo/ X: https://x.com/seekrtechnology YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@seekrtechnologies https://www.linkedin.com/company/seekrtechnologies/ Website: https://www.seekr.com #artificialintelligence #aisafety #nationalsecurity #aigovernance #deepfakes #chinaai #defensetech #seekrtechnologies #patcondo #13thandpark #aipolicy #trustworthyai #washingtondc #politicalpodcast #techandsecurity #airace #explainableai

    21 min
  2. Abe Sutton, Director of The CMS Innovation Center, on "Making Healthcare Logical" | 13th & Park

    3d ago

    Abe Sutton, Director of The CMS Innovation Center, on "Making Healthcare Logical" | 13th & Park

    Send us Fan Mail Abe Sutton, Director of the CMS Innovation Center and Deputy Administrator at CMS, joins Adam Goodman and Alison Anway on 13th & Park to break down one of the most consequential but least understood corners of the federal government: the agency responsible for testing new ways to pay for healthcare, improve outcomes, and lower costs for millions of Americans on Medicare and Medicaid. Sutton explains the core mission of the CMS Innovation Center in plain terms: move fast, test new payment models like a venture portfolio, and scale what works. He discusses the shift away from fee-for-service toward outcomes-based care, why downside risk is essential for changing physician behavior, and how the center is deploying models focused on drug innovation, digital therapeutics, and rural health access under the Trump administration's broader MAHA agenda. Drawing on his experience as a co-founder of healthcare companies that participated in CMS programs, Sutton offers a rare insider-outsider perspective on what it actually takes to get providers to invest in new care models. He talks about the importance of operational dependability, the challenge of designing payment bundles, and why productivity growth in healthcare has lagged every other sector of the economy. The conversation closes on a personal note, as Sutton reflects on watching his father navigate his grandmother's Parkinson's care and a dangerous medication interaction that first drew him to this work. His message to talented people in the private healthcare sector: the Innovation Center is hiring, and the chance to reshape care delivery for an entire nation is worth the trade-off. Chapters 0:00 Intro 1:29 What Does the CMS Innovation Center Do? 3:34 Why Congress Created the Center 4:24 The Venture Model for Healthcare 5:04 Fee-for-Service to Outcomes-Based Care 8:49 New Models: Elevate, Access, and More 10:45 Explaining Healthcare Reform to Americans 11:59 Digital Healthcare Tools and Older Adults 13:43 Blending Public and Private Sector Experience 16:00 Rural Healthcare and Digital Access 18:12 The CMS Leadership Team Under Dr. Oz 20:35 Why Healthcare? A Personal Story 22:29 MAHA and Taking Back Control Follow Us! X: https://x.com/13thandPark IG: https://www.instagram.com/13th_and_park/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13thandpark TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@13th_and_park Follow Abe Sutton X: https://x.com/AbeSutton LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abesutton #healthcare #medicaid #medicare #healthcarepolicy #cmsinnivationcenter #digitalhealth #maha #makingamericahealthyagain #ruralhealth #healthcareaccess #healthcarereform #federalpolicy #politicalpodcast #13thandpark #adamgoodman #healthinnovation #trumpadministration

    24 min
  3. Chairman Jim Risch on Foreign Policy, Nuclear Energy, and America's Future | 13th & Park

    5d ago

    Chairman Jim Risch on Foreign Policy, Nuclear Energy, and America's Future | 13th & Park

    Send us Fan Mail Senator Jim Risch, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and one of Washington's most experienced voices on global affairs, joins 13th and Park for a wide-ranging conversation on American foreign policy, nuclear energy, veterans, and the state of the republic. Risch opens with a stark assessment of the world order, describing a deepening divide between democracies and autocracies and arguing that the central challenge of the 21st century is for both sides to coexist without going to war. He reflects on how the Biden administration's withdrawal from Afghanistan damaged American credibility abroad, and offers his view that it was a precipitating factor in Putin's decision to invade Ukraine. On China, Risch frames the recent presidential visit as a necessary reset, one built not on agreement but on the practical need to get along. The conversation shifts to nuclear energy, where Risch explains why Idaho has been at the center of the industry since 1951 and why small modular reactors and micro reactors represent a genuine renaissance in clean, reliable power. He connects this directly to the exploding energy demands of artificial intelligence and the European shift away from Russian gas. He also speaks personally about his work on behalf of Idaho veterans, including a breakthrough conversation with President Trump that finally unlocked funding for a long-delayed veterans home in Boise. Risch closes with reflections on his career, from his days as Ada County's prosecuting attorney at age 27 to his current role shaping U.S. foreign policy alongside a president he describes as far more deliberate and thoughtful in private than what the public sees. Through 37 elections alongside his wife Vicki, Risch remains clear-eyed and unhurried, convinced that America's messy democratic experiment is built to last. Chapters 0:00 Intro 1:24 Welcome: 37 Elections with Vicki 1:45 Global Tensions and Trump's Foreign Policy 3:08 Senate Foreign Relations Committee 4:10 Biden's Weakness and Afghanistan 5:14 China and the Global Divide 7:24 Nuclear Energy Renaissance and the ARC Act 10:32 Supporting America's Veterans 12:45 Public Lands in Idaho 14:07 Career Reflections: Prosecutor to Senator 15:01 Knowing Trump Behind Closed Doors 17:37 The Daily Cards and Legacy 19:14 America's Resilience and Closing Thoughts Follow Us! X: https://x.com/13thandPark IG: https://www.instagram.com/13th_and_park/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13thandpark TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@13th_and_park Follow Jim Risch X: https://x.com/SenatorRisch X: https://x.com/SenateForeign IG: https://www.instagram.com/senatorrisch/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SenatorJimRisch/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/SenatorJamesRisch Website: https://www.risch.senate.gov/ #jimrisch #senaterisch #foreignpolicy #senateForeignRelations #nuclearenergy #idahopolitics #trumpforeignpolicy #ukraine #chinapolicy #veterans #publiclands #smallmodularreactors #usenate #americanpolitics #13thandpark #politicalpodcast #washingtondc

    21 min
  4. Port of Long Beach CEO Noel Hacegaba: Why America's Ports Are The Economy in Motion | 13th & Park

    Jun 3

    Port of Long Beach CEO Noel Hacegaba: Why America's Ports Are The Economy in Motion | 13th & Park

    Send us Fan Mail Noel Hacegaba, CEO of the Port of Long Beach, joins 13th and Park for a conversation on global trade, supply chain resilience, and how the Port of Long Beach handled 2.3 million container units in the first quarter of 2026. That makes it the busiest container port in the nation, even as geopolitical disruptions push oil prices higher and add costs across the entire transportation network. Hacegaba breaks down the port's landlord business model, the shift in cargo origins from China to Southeast Asia, and why that geographic change is putting new pressure on speed and infrastructure. He outlines the port's 2050 vision to double container throughput to 20 million units, anchored by a $3.3 billion capital investment program and the Pier B On-Dock Rail Support Facility, a project he calls a game changer for reducing a four-day container transaction down to 24 hours. The conversation also covers what Congress and the Trump administration can do to support port infrastructure through Surface Transportation Reauthorization, the port's workforce development partnerships with schools and universities, and the role Long Beach will play as a logistics hub during the LA 2028 Olympic Games. Hacegaba closes with the story of how a chance seating mix-up at a chamber of commerce event led to his first job at the port, and the lesson he now shares with students: never underestimate the power of networking and first impressions. Chapters 0:00 Intro 1:21 Strait of Hormuz Impact 3:19 How Ports Generate Revenue 4:27 Port of Long Beach is leading the Nation in Containers 4:57 Noel Hacegaba's Message to Washington 6:45 What Congress Can Do 8:08 The $3.3B Infrastructure Plan 9:01 Why Long Beach Leads 9:48 Where the Cargo Comes From 11:41 Noel's Unlikely Career Path 13:35 Workforce and the Future 15:06 The Port of long beach and LA 2028 16:18 Closing Remarks Follow Us! X: https://x.com/13thandPark IG: https://www.instagram.com/13th_and_park/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13thandpark TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@13th_and_park Follow Noel Hacegaba LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-noel-hacegaba-60b7894/ #portsoflongbeach #globaltradewar #supplychain #tradePolicy #infrastructureusa #straitofhormuz #americanports #containershippping #economicpolicy #13thandpark #washingtondc #adamgoodman #politicalpodcast #tariffs #la2028 #freighttransportation #useconomy

    17 min
  5. Congressman Mike Thompson on War, Veterans, and the Fight for Healthcare | 13th and Park

    May 25

    Congressman Mike Thompson on War, Veterans, and the Fight for Healthcare | 13th and Park

    Send us Fan Mail Congressman Mike Thompson joins Anthony Williams on 13th and Park for a wide-ranging conversation recorded at Ballard Studios' remote location in Sacramento, California. A Vietnam War veteran who earned a Purple Heart, Thompson reflects on how his military service shaped every chapter of his life, from dropping out of high school to eventually earning a GED, an undergraduate degree, a high school diploma, and a master's degree, and how combat gave him an unshakeable standard for voting to send American troops into harm's way. Thompson shares the story of uncovering Project Shad, a classified military program in which U.S. service members were unknowingly exposed to deadly chemical agents and then denied the healthcare they had earned. He describes working across party lines with then-Representative Jerry Moran to get those veterans recognized and covered, delivering one of the episode's most powerful lines: "If that's a problem, quit making veterans." The conversation turns to the state of healthcare in America today, with Thompson breaking down what families in his district are telling him about the Affordable Care Act, the impact of HR 1, and what cutting a trillion dollars from the healthcare system means for hospitals, clinics, and everyday people regardless of how they receive coverage. He also discusses his role as chair of the Congressional Bike Caucus, the reauthorization of anti-doping legislation, and his efforts to secure the Congressional Gold Medal for cycling legend Greg LeMond. Thompson closes with a reflection on what still gives him faith in America, pointing not to institutions or legislation, but to the people themselves, and the importance of keeping them in the loop. Chapters 0:00 Intro 1:27 Assembly Fellows and Shared History 3:14 California Governor's Race 3:43 Vietnam Service and the Purple Heart 6:41 Vietnam Veterans Still in Congress 8:07 The Vietnam Wall 8:30 Project Shad and Veterans' Healthcare 11:09 The Affordable Care Act Today 13:22 Congressional Bike Caucus 14:23 Greg LeMond and the Gold Medal 17:27 Representing Wine Country 18:28 Faith in America Follow Us! X: https://x.com/13thandPark IG: https://www.instagram.com/13th_and_park/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13thandpark TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@13th_and_park Follow Mike Thompson X: https://x.com/RepMikeThompson Facebook: https://facebook.com/CongressmanMikeThompson Website: https://mikethompson.house.gov #mikethompson #congressmanmikethompson #vietnamveteran #purpleheart #veteranshealthcare #affordablecareact #californiapolitics #uscongress #projectshad #greglemond #bikecaucus #militaryservice #13thandpark #politicalpodcast #anthonywilliams #publicservice

    20 min
  6. Patrick Kennedy & Collin Gage on Addiction, Mental Health, and Fixing a Broken System | 13th & Park

    May 22

    Patrick Kennedy & Collin Gage on Addiction, Mental Health, and Fixing a Broken System | 13th & Park

    Send us Fan Mail Former Congressman Patrick Kennedy and Collin Gage, CEO of ARMR Sciences, join Alison Anway, Ballard Partners Health Policy Chair, for a candid and deeply personal conversation on addiction, mental health, and the fentanyl crisis reshaping American life. Kennedy reflects on his own public struggle with addiction, from being outed by a fellow rehab patient early in his political career in Rhode Island, to a DWI on Capitol Hill that sent him back to treatment. Rather than derailing his career, those experiences ultimately gave him the credibility and conviction to champion the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act, landmark legislation that required insurers to cover mental health and addiction treatment on par with physical illness. He also discusses his ongoing work through the Kennedy Forum to build a bipartisan political movement around mental health. Gage shares the personal losses and family experiences that led him to found ARMR Sciences, a biotech platform developing vaccine-based and prophylactic technologies designed to prevent overdose death rather than simply react to it. He describes how the drug supply has become exponentially more dangerous, with fentanyl and other synthetic opioids now lacing everything from counterfeit prescription pills to marijuana and vape products. Both guests argue that the fentanyl crisis has escalated beyond public health into a national security threat, with Chinese precursor chemicals fueling what Kennedy calls a strategic asymmetric warfare campaign against the United States. The conversation closes on a message of hope, emphasizing community, family-centered treatment, and the importance of open dialogue as essential tools in addressing an epidemic that touches every corner of American society. Chapters 0:00 Intro 1:43 Welcome and Context 2:08 Kennedy on Being Outed and Going Public 4:49 DWI, Rehab, and Passing Parity 7:11 Collin Gage's Personal Story 9:24 What ARMR Sciences Is Building 12:10 How the Drug Supply Has Changed 13:29 Kennedy Forum and Political Strategy 16:51 Fentanyl as a National Security Threat 19:42 Personal Legacy and the Kennedy Family Mission 22:04 RFK Jr., Holistic Recovery, and Culture Change 25:31 Hope for the Next Five Years 27:43 Closing Thoughts Follow Us! X: https://x.com/13thandPark IG: https://www.instagram.com/13th_and_park/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13thandpark TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@13th_and_park Follow Patrick Kennedy & Collin Gage X: https://x.com/ARMRsciences X: https://x.com/PJK4brainhealth LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/collin-gage/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/armrsciences/ About 13th and Park: 13th and Park is a dynamic media platform produced by Ballard Partners. We bring you insightful discussions, expert interviews, and in-depth analysis on key issues shaping industries, policy, and business trends. Our content features thought leaders, industry experts, and policymakers exploring topics ranging from policy influence, business innovation, trade regulations, and more. Subscribe to stay updated on the latest videos, exclusive interviews, and expert insights shaping the future of business, policy, and public affairs. #patrickKennedy #fentanylcrisis #addictionrecovery #mentalhealthparity #opioidepidemic #publichealth #armorsciences #drugpolicy #kennedyforum #mentalhealthadvocacy #syntheticdrugs #nationalsecurity #overdoseprevention #bipartisanpolicy #13thandpark #politicalpodcast

    27 min
  7. Former HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra Makes His Case for Governor of California | 13th and Park

    May 19

    Former HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra Makes His Case for Governor of California | 13th and Park

    Send us Fan Mail Xavier Becerra, former California Attorney General, HHS Secretary, and 12-term Congressman, joins 13th and Park for a wide-ranging conversation on his campaign to become Governor of California. Running to be the first Latino elected governor in the state's history, Becerra makes the case that his experience confronting the COVID-19 pandemic, negotiating drug prices, and defending California against federal overreach sets him apart in a crowded field. Becerra reflects on the defining moments of his public service career, from taking on the Trump administration as Attorney General to leading the Department of Health and Human Services through the worst pandemic in a century. He shares the personal story behind his decision to enter the governor's race, crediting his wife and his parents as the foundation of everything he wants to fight for as governor. On the campaign trail, Becerra says Californians are asking the same basic questions: Can I afford to fill my gas tank? Can I buy a house? Will healthcare bankrupt my family? He outlines a healthcare vision centered on integrated care, preventive wellness, and treating healthcare as a right, pointing to his track record negotiating up to 79% discounts on prescription drugs for Medicare as proof of what is possible. The conversation also covers the reshuffling of the governor's race following Eric Swalwell's exit, the historic significance of potentially becoming the first Latino governor in 150 years, and what Becerra sees as the deeper contrast between the California his parents built their lives in and the one too many families are struggling to access today. Chapters 0:00 Intro 1:28 Welcome and Shared History 2:04 Career Lessons and Public Service 3:25 Running HHS During COVID 5:01 The Decision to Run for Governor 7:55 What Californians Are Worried About 9:14 The Race Reshuffles After Swalwell 12:12 Restoring the California Way of Life 13:11 Growing Up in Sacramento 15:15 Healthcare Vision for California 17:25 Negotiating Drug Prices at HHS 18:38 Historic Significance of the Race 20:25 Closing Thoughts Follow Us! X: https://x.com/13thandPark IG: https://www.instagram.com/13th_and_park/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13thandpark TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@13th_and_park Follow Xavier Becerra X: https://x.com/XavierBecerra IG: https://www.instagram.com/becerraforgovernor/ #xavierbecerra #californiagovernor #californiapolitics #governorrace2026 #californiadream #healthcarepolicy #hhs #latinoleadership #californiaaffordability #democraticprimary #13thandpark #politicalpodcast #adampodcast #californiaprimary #costoflivingcalifornia #publicservice #californiaelection About 13th and Park: 13th and Park is a dynamic media platform produced by Ballard Partners. We bring you insightful discussions, expert interviews, and in-depth analysis on key issues shaping industries, policy, and business trends. Our content features thought leaders, industry experts, and policymakers exploring topics ranging from policy influence, business innovation, trade regulations, and more. Subscribe to stay updated on the latest videos, exclusive interviews, and expert insights shaping the future of business, policy, and public affairs.

    21 min
  8. Rep. Chris Deluzio on Youth Sports, Corporate Greed & the American Dream | 13th & Park

    May 16

    Rep. Chris Deluzio on Youth Sports, Corporate Greed & the American Dream | 13th & Park

    Send us Fan Mail Congressman Chris Deluzio, a Naval Academy graduate and second-term representative from Pennsylvania's 17th District, joins 13th and Park for a candid conversation on economic power, the cost of living, and what he believes the government owes working families. Drawing on his upbringing in western Pennsylvania, his service during the Iraq War, and his background in election security law, Deluzio outlines a political identity rooted in hard work, patriotism, and skepticism of concentrated power. Deluzio discusses the Monopoly Busters Caucus he helped launch, explaining why he sees corporate consolidation as one of the defining threats to the American dream. From private equity gobbling up youth sports leagues to meatpacking consolidation squeezing farmers, he argues that the lack of economic competition is a nonpartisan problem with very real costs for families across the country. The conversation also covers the pressures facing families in competitive swing districts, the ongoing fight over election integrity, and his concerns about the cost of U.S. involvement in the Iran conflict. Deluzio is direct about the data: Americans his age and younger are statistically more likely to be worse off than their parents, and he believes Washington has to stop tinkering around the edges. Representing one of the most politically competitive districts in the country, Deluzio reflects on what it means to govern for everyone, not just a base, and why he remains optimistic about America's ability to course-correct at a critical moment for its democracy. Chapters 0:00 Intro 1:12 Western PA Roots and Values 3:00 Iraq War and Military Service 4:26 Voting Rights and Election Security 5:52 Youth Sports and Rising Costs 8:16 Monopoly Busters Caucus 10:09 The American Dream Under Pressure 11:51 What Constituents Are Saying 13:01 Governing a Swing District 14:15 Mentors and Resolve 15:13 Optimism for America's Future 16:47 Closing Thoughts Follow Us! X: https://x.com/13thandPark IG: https://www.instagram.com/13th_and_park/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13thandpark TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@13th_and_park Follow Chris Deluzio X: https://x.com/RepDeluzio Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/repdeluzio #ChrisDeluzio #pennsylvaniаpolitics #congress #antitrust #monopolybusters #americandream #costofliving #youthsports #veteransinpolitics #swingdistrict #corporatepower #workingfamilies #13thandpark #politicalpodcast #washingtondc #navyvet

    18 min
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"13th & Park" hosts insightful conversations with special guests covering a broad range of topics from politics and government, to technology, culture, economics and the media. Listeners eavesdrop on what feel like private conversations featuring the savviest and most highly regarded minds in the country. The show, co-hosted by media veterans Adam Goodman and Justin Sayfie, is produced by Ballard Partners in the Ballard Studios in Washington DC.

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  • Creator
    Ballard Partners
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    224
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2026 13th & Park
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    13th & Park

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