Sisters In Sobriety

Sonia Kahlon and Kathleen Killen

You know that sinking feeling when you wake up with a hangover and think: “I’m never doing this again”? We’ve all been there. But what happens when you follow through? Sonia Kahlon and Kathleen Killen can tell you, because they did it! They went from sisters-in-law, to Sisters in Sobriety. In this podcast, Sonia and Kathleen invite you into their world, as they navigate the ups and downs of sobriety, explore stories of personal growth and share their journey of wellness and recovery. Get ready for some real, honest conversations about sobriety, addiction, and everything in between. Episodes will cover topics such as: reaching emotional sobriety, how to make the decision to get sober, adopting a more mindful lifestyle, socializing without alcohol, and much more. Whether you’re sober-curious, seeking inspiration and self-care through sobriety, or embracing the alcohol-free lifestyle already… Tune in for a weekly dose of vulnerability, mutual support and much needed comic relief. Together... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. Midlife Isn’t a Crisis — It’s a Comeback With Heather Francis

    10H AGO

    Midlife Isn’t a Crisis — It’s a Comeback With Heather Francis

    Sonia and Kathleen sit down with Heather Francis, host of the Midlife Moves Podcast. Heather is an entrepreneur and mom of four who brings a lived-experience perspective to conversations around identity, self-trust, and personal growth. She speaks as a woman who has learned, often through trial and error, what it means to evolve, recalibrate, and choose herself more intentionally. Together, they explore what really happens in our forties and fifties: shifting identities, perimenopause, strength training, sleep disruption, protein intake, and the unexpected grief that can come when children grow up and roles change. Together, they unpack how to move through midlife with intention rather than fear—and how movement, community, and curiosity can help women feel strong, clear, and empowered in this next chapter. The conversation weaves through questions many women are quietly asking: Why does anxiety spike in perimenopause? Why does sleep suddenly fall apart at 1:00 AM? Why does cardio stop working the way it used to? How much protein do women actually need in midlife? What role do magnesium, creatine, and recovery days play in hormonal health? How do friendships, identity, and self-definition evolve when the “mom” role begins to shift? Heather shares practical insights around strength training versus excessive cardio, mobility work, rest days, over-exercising, wearable technology, alcohol’s impact on sleep, sugar spikes, and the importance of fueling the body with whole-food protein sources. The discussion touches on cognitive health in midlife, research around creatine for women, bloodwork-guided supplementation, anxiety management, and why connection is foundational for both brain health and emotional resilience. Rather than extreme reinvention, the theme becomes small, intentional adjustments that support longevity, muscle preservation, sleep quality, and overall wellness. Heather opens up about her identity crisis when her children began leaving home, the depression that followed, the isolation of rediscovering herself alone, and the courage it took to ask: Who am I beyond caretaker, wife, and mother? The conversation moves into friendship shifts, gym communities, saying yes to coffee dates, and redefining confidence outside of labels. In a powerful closing reflection, Heather offers a reframe for midlife: not as decline, but as possibility—a second act that doesn’t require blowing up your life, just choosing more intentionally within it. This is Sisters in Sobriety, the support community that helps women change their relationship with alcohol. Check out our substack for extra tips, tricks and resources. Highlights 00:00 – Introduction to Heather Francis and Midlife Moves 02:00 – Identity crisis when children grow up 04:00 – Realizing midlife is a second act, not an ending 05:00 – Perimenopause conversations we wish existed 06:00 – Hormones, anxiety, and 1:00 AM wakeups 07:00 – Why movement helped anxiety more than medication 08:00 – Cardio vs. strength training in midlife 09:00 – What strength training actually looks like 13:00 – Yoga, mobility, and emotional release 15:00 – Signs you may be over-exercising 17:00 – Magnesium, meditation, and sleep hygiene 19:00 – Alcohol’s impact on sleep quality 20:00 – Wearables, tracking, and number obsession 21:00 – Sugar’s effect on sleep and recovery 23:00 – Nutrition, fueling, and hormone support 27:00 – Protein myths and whole-food sources 34:00 – Creatine, cognitive health, and supplements 38:00 – Friendship shifts and loneliness in midlife 44:00 – Redefining identity beyond “mom” 46:00 – The message of midlife: possibility and intentional change Heather's Links https://www.instagram.com/themidlifemovespodcast/ midlifemoves.co  SIS Links 💌 Sisters In Sobriety Substack – where the magic (and the mocktail recipes) happen 📬 Sisters In Sobriety Email 📸 Sisters In Sobriety Instagram 🌐 Kathleen’s Website Kathleen does not endorse any products mentioned in this podcast 📸 Kathleen’s Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    48 min
  2. AI Journaling With Sean Dadashi

    FEB 23

    AI Journaling With Sean Dadashi

    Sonia sits down with Sean Dadashi, co-founder of Rosebud, an AI-guided journaling app built to deepen self-reflection, emotional awareness, and intentional healing. Together, they explore how journaling can move beyond venting and become a powerful tool for insight — helping you recognize emotional patterns, understand triggers, and reshape the internal narratives that shape sobriety and personal growth. The conversation expands into the evolving role of AI in mental health and self-development. They discuss how guided prompts, voice journaling, emotional tagging, and pattern recognition can make reflection more accessible — especially for those intimidated by a blank page. At the same time, they examine the importance of keeping therapy, community, and real human connection at the center of healing, while using technology as a supportive tool rather than a replacement. Sonia and Sean also walk through specific journaling practices, including Rose-Bud-Thorn reflections, somatic journaling, gratitude work, boundary-setting exercises, and intention setting. They explore how Rosebud can support therapy preparation, unsent letters, difficult conversations, and voice-based emotional processing. Throughout the episode, they highlight how digital journaling can help expand emotional vocabulary, identify recurring behavioral patterns, and deepen therapeutic work between sessions. On a more personal note, Sonia shares her love of pen-to-paper journaling — the colored pens, the bedside rituals — and reflects on what it means to shift from analog habits to digital tools in a way that enhances, rather than replaces, the reflective experience. This is Sisters in Sobriety, the support community that helps women change their relationship with alcohol. Check out our substack for extra tips, tricks and resources. Highlights00:00 — Introduction to Sean Dadashi and the mission behind Rosebud 01:45 — Sean’s early relationship with journaling during family divorce 04:10 — Moving from handwritten journals to digital reflection 06:20 — Recognizing emotional and behavioral patterns over time 08:05 — The “blank page problem” and barriers to starting journaling 09:40 — How the “Go Deeper” function guides layered reflection 11:30 — AI summaries, emotional tagging, and weekly reports 13:05 — Metrics, character tracking, and narrative insights 14:10 — Naming emotions and therapist-informed AI design 15:20 — How Rosebud differs from generic chatbots 16:40 — AI memory and long-term pattern recognition 17:25 — Asking big-picture life questions through journal history 18:50 — Year-end reflection archetypes and narrative mapping 20:10 — AI personas: nurturing vs. direct reflection styles 21:05 — Preventing AI from replacing human connection 22:30 — Platform limits and ethical guardrails 24:00 — Crisis response and safety considerations 28:40 — Using journaling alongside therapy and coaching 31:10 — Preparing for therapy sessions through reflection insights 32:15 — Pen-and-paper vs. digital journaling debate 34:05 — Voice journaling and emotional expression 36:10 — Importing handwritten journals via photo transcription 38:15 — Rose-Bud-Thorn framework and evening reflections 40:20 — Somatic journaling and body-based awareness 41:10 — Letter writing, boundary setting, and hard conversations 43:00 — Facilitating real-life conversations using AI support 44:05 — Intention setting and future-self visualization 45:50 — Creating mantras and symbolic yearly totems 46:40 — Building sustainable daily reflection practices 47:30 — Closing thoughts and episode wrap-up Rosebud https://my.rosebud.app/ SIS Links 💌 Sisters In Sobriety Substack – where the magic (and the mocktail recipes) happen 📬 Sisters In Sobriety Email 📸 Sisters In Sobriety Instagram 🌐 Kathleen’s Website Kathleen does not endorse any products mentioned in this podcast 📸 Kathleen’s Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    49 min
  3. From High-Functioning  To Whole Again With Marci Hopkins

    FEB 16

    From High-Functioning To Whole Again With Marci Hopkins

    In this episode, Sonia sits down with TV personality, recovery advocate, and author Marci Hopkins to unpack the layered journey from trauma and addiction to emotional sobriety and self-trust. As the host of the award-winning talk show Wake Up with Marci and author of Chaos to Clarity, Marci brings both lived experience and professional insight to the conversation. Together, they explore healing, resilience, and what it really takes to rebuild a life after alcohol. The discussion moves through the experiences that shaped Marci’s relationship with alcohol, from early childhood trauma and family addiction to high-functioning drinking in adulthood. Themes of generational cycles, emotional suppression, validation-seeking relationships, and the normalization of alcohol surface throughout the conversation. The episode also examines the slippery slope from social drinking to dependence, how denial shows up, and the internal bargaining that often delays change. Marci shares how practices like affirmations, forgiveness work, boundary setting, and cognitive “interrupters” can begin to rewire negative thought patterns. Marci walks through the defining moments that led to her final surrender — including the DUI that forced her to confront the reality of her drinking. She reflects on motherhood, marriage, career pressure, and the emotional reckoning that followed. The conversation closes on her path to advocacy, her commitment to breaking stigma, and how turning pain into purpose became central to her healing. This is Sisters in Sobriety, the support community that helps women change their relationship with alcohol. Check out our substack for extra tips, tricks and resources. Episode Highlights 00:01:00 – Marci’s introduction and recovery advocacy work 00:03:00 – Childhood trauma and the first experiences of abuse 00:05:00 – Living with her grandparents and early instability 00:08:00 – Abuse and lack of maternal protection 00:10:00 – Perfectionism and controlling the external image 00:12:00 – Teen drinking, validation, and blackout weekends 00:14:00 – Escaping home life through relationships 00:16:00 – Party culture, drugs, and early adulthood 00:17:00 – DUIs and hitting early warning signs 00:20:00 – Using appearance and relationships for power 00:23:00 – Career rise in television and media 00:25:00 – Motherhood, ambition, and mounting pressure 00:26:00 – Alcohol as “liquid courage” for auditions 00:27:00 – Hiding drinking and increasing dependence 00:28:00 – The failed attempt to moderate 00:29:00 – The day of her final drink 00:31:00 – DUI arrest and confrontation with reality 00:33:00 – Surrender and return to AA 00:38:00 – Emotional sobriety and healing trauma 00:55:00 – Breaking stigma and normalizing recovery conversations Marci's Links Instagram YouTube SIS Links 💌 Sisters In Sobriety Substack – where the magic (and the mocktail recipes) happen 📬 Sisters In Sobriety Email 📸 Sisters In Sobriety Instagram 🌐 Kathleen’s Website Kathleen does not endorse any products mentioned in this podcast 📸 Kathleen’s Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    59 min
  4. Why You Can’t “Just Move On” From Trauma With Amber T

    FEB 9

    Why You Can’t “Just Move On” From Trauma With Amber T

    In this episode of Sisters in Sobriety, Sonia is joined by Amber Trejo, a licensed marriage and family therapist and certified clinical trauma professional who specializes in complex childhood trauma and the family system. Amber is also a wife and mom of three on her own healing journey, and today she helps Sonia unpack how childhood wounds quietly shape adult life — and what it looks like to move from survival mode into safety, self-regulation, and connection. Sonia and Amber explore the ways complex trauma can show up long after childhood — through hypervigilance, perfectionism, emotional shutdown, and repeating relationship patterns. They discuss why so many people struggle to even name what happened to them, especially when emotional neglect, invalidation, or silent treatment were normalized. Amber shares a nervous-system-centered approach to healing, weaving in polyvagal theory, cues of safety versus danger, parts work, somatic grounding, and EMDR. The conversation touches on how trauma lives in both the brain and the body, and why healing requires more than simply intellectualizing the past — it’s about building real capacity for regulation, curiosity, and connection in the present. In the personal story thread, Sonia opens up about having very few childhood memories, the fear of “making it up,” and the complicated ways trauma can surface later in adulthood, especially in relationships and family dynamics. Together, they connect trauma work to sobriety — exploring addiction as a form of nervous system coping, why white-knuckling often isn’t enough, and how early recovery sometimes means doing whatever it takes to get through the hardest moments with compassion. This is Sisters in Sobriety, the support community that helps women change their relationship with alcohol. Check out our substack for extra tips, tricks and resources. 00:00 — Amber Trejo joins Sonia to discuss trauma healing 01:00 — Amber shares her own childhood trauma and path to therapy 03:00 — Trauma resurfacing through marriage and motherhood 04:00 — Complex trauma vs single-event PTSD 05:00 — Emotional neglect as an overlooked trauma wound 07:00 — Why complex trauma shows up most in relationships 08:00 — Sonia’s “grimy breaker” metaphor for trauma patterns 10:00 — Minimizing pain: “but it could be worse” 12:00 — Shame, invalidation, and not trusting emotions 14:00 — Perfectionism as a survival strategy 15:00 — Parts work and inner child healing 17:00 — Intellectualizing vs healing in the body 18:00 — Sonia on missing childhood memories 20:00 — “What if I’m making it up?” as a trauma hallmark 22:00 — Safety and resourcing before deeper trauma work 25:00 — Cues of danger, passive aggression, and hypervigilance 31:00 — Ventral vagal state: curiosity as a sign of safety 33:00 — Addiction as nervous system regulation 38:00 — Alcohol as relief before it becomes the problem 45:00 — Early sobriety: small realistic coping tools 49:00 — Creativity, aliveness, and building daily regulation practices Amber's Links:  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/integrativetraumatherapist?igsh=MWpvdTI5emVyZzU4aA%3D%3D&utm_source=qr Course for parents with trauma:  https://stan.store/Integrativetraumatherapist/p/-sjwt4r2x Website:  https://www.theintegrativetraumatherapist.com/ SIS Links 💌 Sisters In Sobriety Substack – where the magic (and the mocktail recipes) happen 📬 Sisters In Sobriety Email 📸 Sisters In Sobriety Instagram 🌐 Kathleen’s Website Kathleen does not endorse any products mentioned in this podcast 📸 Kathleen’s Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    53 min
  5. Redefining Intimacy After 40 With Dr. Maria Sophocles

    FEB 2

    Redefining Intimacy After 40 With Dr. Maria Sophocles

    Sonia sits down with Dr. Maria Sophocles, an internationally respected gynecologist and leader in menopause and female sexual health, to explore what really happens to intimacy, desire, and connection in midlife. The conversation challenges the often-unspoken realities of perimenopause, menopause, and sexuality—offering women reassurance, clarity, and a sense of possibility in a season that is too often misunderstood. Sonia and Dr. Sophocles open up a wide-ranging discussion about the cultural pressure women carry around sex, the emotional weight of obligation, and how expectations in long-term relationships can quietly create distance over time. They explore themes like libido changes, communication, pleasure, dating after divorce, and the ways women can begin rewriting outdated scripts around intimacy as bodies and hormones evolve. Throughout the episode, Dr. Sophocles breaks down the physiology of menopause beyond hot flashes—touching on vaginal dryness, arousal shifts, clitoral health, and the role of estrogen deficiency in sexual function. She also clarifies common misconceptions around hormone therapy, explains why hormone testing often adds confusion, and shares evidence-based options including vaginal estrogen and newer treatments. Alongside the medical insight, Sonia also reflects on the personal side of this conversation—what it means to move from performance toward connection, from silence toward honesty, and from shame toward self-trust. Dr. Sophocles offers compassionate language for couples navigating change, and gentle encouragement for women stepping into this chapter with curiosity instead of fear. This is Sisters in Sobriety, the support community that helps women change their relationship with alcohol. Check out our substack for extra tips, tricks and resources. 00:01 — Introducing Dr. Maria Sophocles and her new book The Bedroom Gap 00:02 — Why menopause training is still missing in women’s healthcare 00:03 — The most overlooked symptom: sexual shame and silence 00:05 — What the “Bedroom Gap” really means in relationships 00:07 — How gender roles set couples up for disconnection 00:09 — Why sex education is still fear-based, not pleasure-based 00:11 — Dating after divorce in midlife: a whole new world 00:13 — Sonia opens up about “duty sex” and long-term marriage patterns 00:15 — Responsive desire: why arousal can come before libido 00:16 — The power of G-rated intimacy and skin-to-skin connection 00:18 — When a hug feels like pressure: navigating partner expectations 00:20 — How to communicate needs without triggering defensiveness 00:23 — Reframing lube, toys, and support as sex-positive tools 00:25 — Menopause changes in the brain, vulva, vagina, and clitoris 00:28 — Why vaginal estrogen is one of the most underused solutions 00:32 — Breast cancer survivors and the truth about local estrogen safety 00:33 — Other treatments: Intrarosa and Osphena 00:36 — Why hormone blood tests rarely give useful answers 00:41 — Fantasy, erotic content, and “bibliotherapy” for desire 00:45 — Dr. Sophocles’ hope: grace, permission, and rewriting the rules Dr. Sophocles LinkInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mariasophoclesmd/ TED Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/maria_sophocles_what_happens_to_sex_in_midlife_a_look_at_the_bedroom_gap The Bedroom Gap: https://www.amazon.com/Bedroom-Gap-Rewrite-Rules-Roles/dp/0306837404 SIS Links 💌 Sisters In Sobriety Substack – where the magic (and the mocktail recipes) happen 📬 Sisters In Sobriety Email 📸 Sisters In Sobriety Instagram 🌐 Kathleen’s Website Kathleen does not endorse any products mentioned in this podcast 📸 Kathleen’s Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    47 min
  6. Joy Based Recovery With Melanie Gulde

    JAN 26

    Joy Based Recovery With Melanie Gulde

    Sonia and Kathleen sit down with Melanie Gulde to explore what truly supportive, humane recovery can look like—especially for women. Melanie is the Co-Founder of the Divided Sky Foundation and Program Director of the Divided Sky Residential Recovery Program in Ludlow. With more than 25 years in the field, Melanie has dedicated her life to helping people rediscover their worth and build sustainable sobriety. Her work includes founding Divided Sky in partnership with Trey Anastasio — the co-founding guitarist and lead vocalist of the jam band Phish - and launching a Women’s Scholarship Fund to reduce barriers to treatment for women. You'll hear what actually helps people stay sober, how emotional sobriety supports long-term healing, and how joy, music, nature, and community can reshape the recovery experience. The episode also explores women-specific challenges like stigma, childcare, financial barriers, vulnerability in mixed-gender treatment settings, and why communal, women-centered environments can significantly improve outcomes. Melanie explains how concepts like emotional regulation, unmet expectations, family systems, accountability, and values-based recovery show up in real life, and how programs like Divided Sky integrate mindfulness, music therapy, spirituality, forest bathing, and peer support to support sustainable change. The episode also weaves in Melanie’s personal story—from getting sober in 1995 to her early work in outpatient counseling and drug court to the pivotal relationship with Trey, which led to the creation of Divided Sky. Sonia and Kathleen guide listeners through Melanie’s reflections on mentorship, mistakes, growth, and the “aha” moments that shaped her philosophy: that people don’t need punishment to heal—they need dignity, safety, and belief in their own potential. This is Sisters in Sobriety, the support community that helps women change their relationship with alcohol. Check out our Substack for extra tips, tricks, and resources. Episode Highlights (Time-Stamped) 00:01 — Introducing Melanie Gould and the mission behind Divided Sky 00:02 — Growing up on Long Island and early influences on empathy and service 00:03 — Getting sober in 1995 and finding a calling in recovery work 00:04 — Early mentorship lessons and learning not to take relapse personally 00:06 — What drug court teaches that traditional clinical settings don’t 00:07 — Reframing “mandated treatment” and removing judgment from recovery 00:08 — Melanie’s first interactions with Trey Anastasio in drug court 00:09 — Fear, structure, and accountability in early recovery 00:11 — How a professional relationship evolved into collaboration and friendship 00:13 — Why Divided Sky was created to treat people as individuals 00:16 — What emotional sobriety really means and why it’s transformative 00:18 — Connecting emotional sobriety with the 12 Steps 00:21 — The role of music, joy, and creativity in recovery 00:24 — Joy-based recovery and the healing power of nature 00:26 — A day in the life at Divided Sky 00:28 — Community, volunteers, and connection as recovery tools 00:30 — Why the Women’s Scholarship Fund matters 00:33 — Why women recover differently and need women-centered spaces 00:35 — Changing family dynamics and their impact on recovery 00:38 — A message of hope for anyone afraid to ask for help Divided Sky Foundation SIS Links 💌 Sisters In Sobriety Substack – where the magic (and the mocktail recipes) happen 📬 Sisters In Sobriety Email 📸 Sisters In Sobriety Instagram 🌐 Kathleen’s Website Kathleen does not endorse any products mentioned in this podcast 📸 Kathleen’s Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    39 min
  7. Catt Sadler On Midlife, Mindfulness, and Letting Alcohol Go

    JAN 19

    Catt Sadler On Midlife, Mindfulness, and Letting Alcohol Go

    In this episode of Sisters in Sobriety, Sonia sits down with veteran broadcaster, journalist, and advocate Catt Sadler for a deeply honest conversation about identity, ambition, and choosing an alcohol-free life without hitting rock bottom. Best known for her more than decade-long career at E! Entertainment—Catt has long been a familiar face on red carpets and awards-season coverage. Today, she is the host and executive producer of her weekly podcast CATT SADLER Now and a leading voice in conversations about women, power, and authenticity. Throughout the conversation, Catt reflects on pivotal questions many women quietly ask themselves: What role has alcohol played in my stress, success, and social life? What happens when I stop numbing and start listening? Can I change my relationship with alcohol even if everything “looks fine” on the outside? Together, they unpack themes of high-functioning drinking, midlife reflection, identity shifts, nervous system regulation, and how wellness, meditation, and journaling can open the door to clarity and self-trust. You'll walk away with practical and educational insights around mindful sobriety, habit change, and emotional regulation. Catt shares how meditation, breathwork, journaling, and intentional morning routines supported her decision to stop drinking—and why removing alcohol created more energy, better sleep, deeper presence, and emotional resilience. The episode also explores the role of shame in keeping women stuck, how cravings and discomfort actually pass, and why modeling alcohol-free coping skills matters—especially for our children and communities. In a powerful personal segment, Catt opens up about the spiritual nudges that ultimately led her to quit drinking, the internal resistance she felt despite “not having a problem,” and the moment she realized that alcohol no longer aligned with the highest version of herself. She shares what it was like navigating social situations, holidays, college football weekends, and emotional lows without alcohol—and how staying with herself, rather than escaping, changed everything. Her story offers a compassionate roadmap for women who sense a quiet inner knowing that it might be time to turn the page. Episode Highlights 00:00 – Welcome and introduction to Catt Sadler 01:15 – Growing up around alcohol and early beliefs about drinking 03:45 – College, ambition, and “normal” social drinking 05:30 – Life at E!, pressure, motherhood, and survival mode 07:10 – When healing began before alcohol changed 08:40 – Reading Quit Like a Woman and early nudges 09:55 – Dating someone who could take alcohol or leave it 11:20 – Spiritual moments that clarified her decision 13:10 – Choosing to stop drinking at 51 14:45 – Alcohol not being “the problem,” but no longer fitting 16:10 – Meditation as a gateway to self-trust 18:05 – How to start meditating without overwhelm 20:40 – Early benefits of going alcohol-free 22:30 – Handling cravings, discomfort, and emotional waves 24:50 – Ice cream, Netflix, and self-compassion 26:10 – Morning routines and sacred mornings 28:20 – Gratitude journaling and manifestation 30:40 – Different journaling styles and creative play 33:15 – Letter writing, boundaries, and emotional processing 36:00 – Writing a memoir and revisiting the past 38:40 – Holidays, NA drinks, and social pressure 41:00 – Being sober around kids and modeling behavior 43:30 – Navigating parties, work events, and college campuses 46:10 – Sharing her sobriety publicly and community response 48:20 – Advice for women who haven’t hit “rock bottom” 50:00 – Closing reflections on staying with yourself Catt's Links Catt's IG and Substack  SIS Links 💌 Sisters In Sobriety Substack – where the magic (and the mocktail recipes) happen 📬 Sisters In Sobriety Email 📸 Sisters In Sobriety Instagram 🌐 Kathleen’s Website Kathleen does not endorse any products mentioned in this podcast 📸 Kathleen’s Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    51 min
  8. Divorce Isn’t Failure — It’s an Awakening With Dr. Oona Metz

    JAN 12

    Divorce Isn’t Failure — It’s an Awakening With Dr. Oona Metz

    Sonia and Kathleen sit down with Oona Metz, a therapist with 30 years of clinical experience and a leading expert in helping women navigate divorce. For the past 15 years, Oona has specialized in supporting women through the realities of divorce. She is the author of Unhitched: The Essential Divorce Guide for Women. Dr. Metz frames divorce not as a failure, but as a profound life transition—one that often reshapes identity, relationships, and sobriety. They'll explore questions many women quietly carry: What actually happens emotionally during divorce? Why does it feel so disorienting—even when you’re the one who initiated it? How do grief, anger, relief, fear, and hope coexist at the same time? And why can divorce feel so lonely even when you’re surrounded by support? They talk about the deeper layers of healing, touching on community, shame, self-trust, boundaries, and the ways alcohol can quietly become a coping mechanism during this chapter. You'll will walk away with practical takeaways about the divorce process from a mental health perspective, including how divorce impacts the nervous system, why women often internalize blame, and how group support can accelerate healing. Dr. Metz explains the psychological stages of divorce, common emotional patterns women experience, and why validation, regulation, and connection are essential tools for recovery. The conversation also weaves in themes of sobriety, emotional regulation, self-worth, and rebuilding identity after major life upheaval. Sonia and Kathleen reflect on how divorce can surface old coping strategies, challenge existing support systems, and force radical honesty with oneself. This is Sisters in Sobriety, the support community that helps women change their relationship with alcohol. Check out our Substack for extra tips, tricks, and resources. Episode Highlights 00:01 – Why divorce is more than a legal process—it’s an identity shift 03:12 – Oona’s 30-year clinical journey and why she focused on divorce work 06:45 – The emotional stages women experience during divorce 09:30 – Why divorce grief is often misunderstood and minimized 12:18 – How shame and self-blame show up for women 15:02 – The role of community and group support in healing 18:40 – Why divorce can trigger or intensify unhealthy coping behaviors 21:55 – Divorce, loneliness, and the myth of “strong women should handle it alone” 25:10 – How alcohol can quietly become emotional anesthesia during transitions 28:34 – Nervous system regulation during high-conflict or prolonged divorce 31:50 – What healing actually looks like in the first year post-divorce 35:15 – Letting go of the story you thought your life would follow 38:42 – Rebuilding self-trust after major relational loss 41:20 – Why validation matters more than advice in early healing 44:05 – Dating, boundaries, and identity after divorce 47:30 – How group work accelerates recovery and reduces isolation 50:18 – What Oona wishes every woman knew before starting divorce 53:00 – Turning divorce into a catalyst for clarity and growth 56:10 – Choosing sobriety as an act of self-protection and self-respect 59:00 – Final reflections on grief, freedom, and rebuilding a life on your terms Dr. Metz's Links https://www.instagram.com/oonametz/ https://www.oonametz.com/book-unhitched SIS Links 💌 Sisters In Sobriety Substack – where the magic (and the mocktail recipes) happen 📬 Sisters In Sobriety Email 📸 Sisters In Sobriety Instagram 🌐 Kathleen’s Website Kathleen does not endorse any products mentioned in this podcast 📸 Kathleen’s Instagram Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    55 min
4.9
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About

You know that sinking feeling when you wake up with a hangover and think: “I’m never doing this again”? We’ve all been there. But what happens when you follow through? Sonia Kahlon and Kathleen Killen can tell you, because they did it! They went from sisters-in-law, to Sisters in Sobriety. In this podcast, Sonia and Kathleen invite you into their world, as they navigate the ups and downs of sobriety, explore stories of personal growth and share their journey of wellness and recovery. Get ready for some real, honest conversations about sobriety, addiction, and everything in between. Episodes will cover topics such as: reaching emotional sobriety, how to make the decision to get sober, adopting a more mindful lifestyle, socializing without alcohol, and much more. Whether you’re sober-curious, seeking inspiration and self-care through sobriety, or embracing the alcohol-free lifestyle already… Tune in for a weekly dose of vulnerability, mutual support and much needed comic relief. Together... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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