The Good Divorce® Show

Karen McNenny, The Good Divorce® Show
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Are you thinking about divorce? If you are, you’re probably thinking about it all wrong. The Good Divorce® Show is here to debunk the myths about divorce, give you guidance on how to navigate it without conflict and debt, and equip you to not just get divorced but to also be divorced, happily ever after. Join host and divorce coach Karen McNenny as she shares her wealth of knowledge, gets advice from other relationship experts, and profiles couples who learned how to have a Good Divorce, so you can too!

  1. The Weight of Two Losses: A Child and a Marriage

    Jun 4

    The Weight of Two Losses: A Child and a Marriage

    Divorce coach Kelly Myers knows what it looks like when the system fails families — because she lived it. When Kelly and her husband divorced in 2011–2012, their three boys were six, eight, and ten years old. What followed was two years of litigation and more than $100,000 in legal costs — a path she didn't fully understand she was choosing when she stepped into it. In this candid and deeply personal conversation, Kelly shares how the "ecosystem of divorce" — mediators, attorneys, friends, and family — can fan the flames of conflict rather than help families restructure. Her mediator told her not to worry about financial inequities; her attorney didn't tell her that pursuing support modifications would reopen custody. The result: years of stress, resentment, and a version of herself she's not proud of — one who was yelling in the car on the way to her son's eighth-grade graduation, too overwhelmed to simply be present.          Kelly reflects on the turning point that came when she stopped focusing on what was fair and started asking what was right for her kids. She and her co-parent Blake eventually built a respectful, collaborative relationship — one that was tested profoundly when their son Jack passed away in June 2024 after years of struggle with mental health and addiction. Rather than letting grief pull them apart, Kelly and Blake came together to plan Jack's service, support their surviving sons, and hold each other through unimaginable loss. That experience crystallized for Kelly why this work matters so much. Now a certified divorce and co-parenting coach, Kelly helps clients understand the realities of the divorce system before they're swept into it — managing emotions outside of decision-making, building comprehensive parenting plans, and thinking about co-parenting not just as a legal arrangement but as a long-term business partnership in raising their children. Key themes in this episode: How the divorce ecosystem — lawyers, mediators, social circles — shapes (and often inflames) outcomesWhy litigation risks are rarely explained to clients up frontThe shift from "what's fair" to "what does my child's divorce story look like?"Viewing co-parenting as a business partnership, not a custody arrangementThe difference between parenting 50% of the time and being a parent 100% of the timeRepairing the relationship with your kids — and yourself — even after difficult chaptersThe gift of a co-parenting relationship strong enough to hold a family together through lossResources & Websites Mentioned: First Steps Divorce — Kelly Myers' coaching practice: firststepsdivorce.comThe Good Divorce Podcast — hosted by Karen McNenny: karenmcnenny.comThe Good Divorce by Karen McNenny — available wherever books are sold

    52 min
  2. The Book Is in the World — Now the Real Work Begins (Part 3 of 3)

    May 28

    The Book Is in the World — Now the Real Work Begins (Part 3 of 3)

    On April 26th, 2024, an email arrived asking Karen if she'd ever thought about writing a book. Exactly two years later to the day, a box of 300 copies landed on her front porch. In the final episode of this behind-the-scenes mini-series, Karen picks up where the manuscript ends and the movement begins. She talks about her first major book launch — a keynote for 250 HR professionals in her hometown — and why a room full of people who manage workplace breakups turned out to be exactly the right audience. She shares the moment she asked everyone touched by divorce to stand up, and how quickly almost the entire room was on its feet. She also makes the case for why this book belongs in HR offices, therapists' waiting rooms, and the hands of anyone who has ever loved someone going through a divorce — which, it turns out, is most of us. Karen also reads from the final chapter — The New — a quiet scene at a middle school choir concert where an offhand compliment from her ex-husband reminds her why they did all of this in the first place. Pick up your copy of The Good Divorce at karenmcnenny.com/the-good-divorce.

    26 min
  3. Tearing It Apart and Sewing It Back Together: Writing The Good Divorce (Part 2 of 3)

    May 21

    Tearing It Apart and Sewing It Back Together: Writing The Good Divorce (Part 2 of 3)

    She had a book deal. Now she had to write the book. In Part 2 of this behind-the-scenes series, Karen walks through what it actually took to get The Good Divorce from outline to print — nine months of writing squeezed around a graduating son, a daughter heading to Europe, divorce clients, speaking gigs, and a single-income household with no one to walk the dog. She bought a van, hired back her ghostwriting team with money she didn't have, and spent the better part of three months writing from campgrounds across the Pacific Northwest. Then came the restructuring. Two days over Thanksgiving, alone with her golden retriever Moab, Karen spread the entire manuscript across her kitchen counter and dining room table — color-coded, categorized, and cut apart — before putting it back together into something that finally made sense. Thirty percent didn't make the cut. What followed was twelve days of around-the-clock rewriting alongside her developmental editor in South Africa, a copy editor who found corrections on every page, a design team, and a managing editor in India keeping all the plates spinning toward a May 19th release date. At the end of the show, Karen reads from Chapter Seven — The Community — on leaning into her people when the grief felt too big to carry alone, and the friend who gave her permission to stop pretending everything was bubbles and rainbows. Part 3 is next: the book is written. Now she has to sell it. 🔖 Pick up your copy of The Good Divorce at karenmcnenny.com/the-good-divorce.

    26 min
  4. The Book That Was Chasing Me: How The Good Divorce Found Its Way Into the World (Part 1 of 3)

    May 14

    The Book That Was Chasing Me: How The Good Divorce Found Its Way Into the World (Part 1 of 3)

    At 18, Karen McNenny wrote in a pageant essay that her greatest ambition was to write a bestselling book. She had no idea what it would be about. She certainly never guessed divorce. In this first of three special episodes, Karen tells the origin story of The Good Divorce — from that Miss Montana essay to a publishing offer from Wiley/Jossey-Bass that arrived faster than anyone in the industry said it should. Along the way: a pandemic pivot, a stranger's persistent emails she almost ignored, two ghostwriters who flew to Missoula to squeeze her brain for two days, and a New York Times bestselling author who finally talked her off the ledge when the contract arrived and the reality of what she'd set in motion hit hard. She also reads from Chapter Four, “The Kids,” on preparing to deliver the hardest lines of her life to an audience of two.

    32 min
  5. Gray Divorce, Adult Children, and the Myth That They'll Be Fine — with Dr. Carol Hughes

    May 7

    Gray Divorce, Adult Children, and the Myth That They'll Be Fine — with Dr. Carol Hughes

    What happens when parents wait until the kids are grown to divorce — and then discover their adult children are not fine with it? In this rich and eye-opening conversation, Karen sits down with Dr. Carol Hughes, clinical psychologist, two-time Fulbright Scholar, and one of the true pioneers of the collaborative divorce movement, to challenge one of the most pervasive myths in divorce: that adult children don't need the same care and intentionality that minor children do. Dr. Hughes shares the origin story of collaborative divorce — rooted in a single letter written on January 1, 1990 by Minnesota attorney Stu Webb, who declared he was "done going to court and destroying families" — and how that moment sparked a movement that has since trained over 25,000 collaborative professionals worldwide. Together, Karen and Dr. Hughes explore: Loyalty binds — what they are, how they form, and why they damage children of all agesThe five F's — fight, flight, freeze, fawn, and feign — and how our neurological wiring pulls us toward conflict when we feel unsafeGray divorce — why divorce among adults 50 and older doubled between 1990 and 2012, and what research from Bowling Green State University predicts by 2030The biggest myth about adult children — why "they're adults, they can handle it" is not only wrong, but harmfulFamily before finances — why starting with the children, not the money, leads to better outcomes for everyoneThe "six-year-old within" — how adult children still carry the emotional vulnerability of their younger selves, even when they appear to be copingCreating a divorce story — how parents can paint a picture of the future that reduces fear and uncertainty for their childrenThe statement of highest intentions — a collaborative divorce tool for helping couples get clear on what they actually want the process to look likePractical guidance for gray divorcing parents: how to involve adult children collaboratively in planning holidays, family gatherings, and transitions — without burdening them or writing them out of the storyDr. Hughes also opens up about her own childhood experience of her parents' divorce — including a detail that will shock modern listeners — and how an unexpected phone call from a minor's counsel changed the entire direction of her career. Resources & Links Mentioned: 📖 Dr. Carol Hughes' book: Home Will Never Be the Same Again: A Guide for Adult Children of Gray Divorce— available at Barnes & Noble and all major booksellers🌐 Dr. Hughes' divorce website: divorcepeacemaking.com✍️ Dr. Hughes and Psychology Today: Visit Psychology Today's guest blog📖 Karen's book: The Good Divorce: How to End Your Marriage Without Ending Your Family🎓 The Good Divorce Academy: Karen's online community and classroom for ongoing support and education🌐 Work with Karen directly: thegooddivorcecoach.com🤝 Collaborative Divorce Solutions of Orange County🌍 International Academy of Collaborative Professionals (IACP) — trains collaborative divorce professionals worldwide📖 Workbooks referenced: Our Family in Two Homes and A Family in a Few Homes — created by a Canadian collaborative divorce attorney for use with minor and adult children respectively"Divorce is not a weapon — it's a tool. And when used well, it can be a tool for transformation." — Karen McNaney

    55 min
  6. Raiford Dalton Palmer on Divorce Done Differently: A Family Law Attorney's Case for the Good Divorce

    Apr 30

    Raiford Dalton Palmer on Divorce Done Differently: A Family Law Attorney's Case for the Good Divorce

    What does it look like when a divorce attorney goes through his own divorce — and comes out the other side with a blended family, a co-parenting partnership, and a whole new perspective on his practice? That's exactly what Karen McNenny explores in this conversation with Raiford Dalton Palmer, Illinois divorce attorney, bestselling author, and CEO of STG Divorce Law. Raiford's own 2015 divorce after a 24-year marriage shaped not just how he lives — but how he leads his firm and serves his clients. In this episode, he pulls back the curtain on what divorce law gets wrong, what families can do differently, and why his commercial litigation background may be the secret weapon more divorcing couples need. In this episode, you'll hear: Raiford's personal divorce story — what went right, what was hard, and how his blended family became a model of abundance over scarcityWhy "simple" and "easy" are not the same thing when it comes to divorceHow the adversarial, win/lose court system fails families — and the alternatives that are quietly changing the landscape (mediation, collaboration, arbitration, and the "1.5 attorney divorce")The 90/10 Rule: what attorneys can actually help you with — and what belongs with a therapist or divorce coachCost-benefit analysis applied to divorce — why staying in a high-conflict process can cost you far more than the dollars you're fighting overWhy social media silence is one of the smartest moves you can make during a divorceA preview of Raiford's upcoming book, I Just Want to Know How — the guide he wishes he'd had when struggling with his own marriage, and the book he believes couples should read before they ever say the D wordWhy going to marriage counseling early is not a sign you want a divorce — and why waiting too long is like treating stage 4 cancerResources mentioned: 📘 I Just Want to Know How — Raiford's upcoming book, expected Fall 2026🎙️ I Just Want This Done Divorce Podcast — live Thursdays, drops every Friday on all major platforms and YouTube💬 Illinois Divorce Support — free, anonymous private Facebook group (open to all, not just Illinois residents)📲 Follow Raiford: @RaifordPalmer on TikTok, Instagram, and X⚖️ STG Divorce Law, P.C. — https://www.stglawfirm.com/attorneys/raiford-d-palmer/ | Serving the greater Chicagoland areaKaren McNenny is the author of The Good Divorce: How to End Your Marriage Without Ending Your Family. To work with Kathleen directly or join her online community, visit TheGoodDivorceCoach.com and the Good Divorce Academy. And remember: "Everything will be okay in the end — and if it's not okay, it's not the end."

    52 min

  7. Apr 23

    The Grief That Gets No Casserole

    Divorce is a death — of a marriage, an identity, a family, a home — and yet our culture offers almost none of the support it would for any other kind of loss. In this solo episode, Karen gets honest about the grief of divorce: why we wildly underestimate it, why we're often left to navigate it in isolation, and what it actually looks like to move through it with intention. Karen introduces the concept of ambiguous grief — the particular pain of losing someone who is still very much present in your life as a co-parent — and why that "gone but not gone" experience makes healing so disorienting. She also calls out the trap of pain shopping: the social media stalking, the gossip, the drive-bys that keep picking at a wound that's trying to heal. You'll also hear Karen's case for including divorce in the Family Medical Leave Act, practical advice for surviving those first brutal transition days when the kids leave for the other home, and why the goal isn't to stop caring — it's to reach a place of emotional indifference, where your ex's choices simply don't rattle you anymore. This is an episode worth sharing with anyone in your support circle who wants to show up for you but isn't sure how. Topics covered: Why divorce grief is invisible — and why that isolation makes it harderThe many losses layered inside one divorceAmbiguous grief and the "gone but not gone" experience of co-parentingPain shopping: what it is and why it sets you backHow scars are different from wounds (and why that's good news)What emotional indifference actually means — and why it's the goalThe grief-relief cocktail: feeling two things at oncePractical tips for transition days when the kids leaveKaren's advocacy for divorce-inclusive workplace policiesResources: The Good Divorce by Karen McNennyThe Good Divorce Academy — online community & classroomthegooddivorcecoach.com"Everything will be okay in the end. And if it's not okay, it's not the end."

    25 min
  8. Money, Faith, and High Conflict: Navigating Divorce with the Freedom Team

    Apr 16

    Money, Faith, and High Conflict: Navigating Divorce with the Freedom Team

    In this episode, Karen is joined by the "Freedom Team" — Keri Gwynne, CDC Certified Divorce Coach and CEO of Starting Point by Freedom, and Ryan Finley, CPA, CDFA, CVA, and founder of Freedom Financial Services Group. Together, they bring a uniquely holistic perspective to divorce: coaching, financial forensics, and mediation — all under one roof. Both Keri and Ryan are survivors of high conflict divorce, and they share candidly how those lived experiences shaped their mission to help families navigate the process with clarity, compassion, and a child-centered lens. In this episode, you'll hear about: How Keri escaped an abusive marriage in the Nashville Bible Belt — and why shame kept her silent for so longWhat a CPA, CDFA, and CVA actually do — and why your attorney alone isn't enough to protect your financial futureForensic accounting explained: what it is, when you need it, and the red flags that signal hidden assetsReal stories of hidden assets — from money funneled into a mother's account to overpaying the IRS by a million dollars!Why everything earned during a marriage is marital property — regardless of whose name is on the accountThe tension between faith and divorce: how Keri coaches clients through shame, scripture, and spiritual abuseHow to talk to your church community about divorce — and why you're asking for support, not permissionKeeping children at the center of financial decisions and co-parenting agreementsThe Marriage Mastermind — a new workshop by the Freedom Team designed to go upstream, helping couples build stronger marriages using what divorce professionals see break them apartThe patterns that lead to divorce: financial secrecy, infidelity, pornography addiction, losing yourself in the relationshipWhat it took for both Keri and Ryan to trust love again — and what they looked for the second time aroundConnect with the Freedom Team: Keri Gwynne | Starting Point by Freedom Divorce coaching, mediation & family-focused guidance | Nashville, TN & Sarasota, FL 🌐 startingpointadvocacy.com Ryan Finley | Freedom Financial Services Group Divorce financial advisory, forensic accounting & mediation | Nashville, TN & Sarasota, FL 🌐 freedomfsg.comWatch for the Freedom Team's upcoming Marriage Mastermind workshop in New York City — projected for early summer 2026. Resources mentioned: The Good Divorce by Karen McNennyThe Good Divorce Academy — online community & classroomthegooddivorcecoach.com

    56 min
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Are you thinking about divorce? If you are, you’re probably thinking about it all wrong. The Good Divorce® Show is here to debunk the myths about divorce, give you guidance on how to navigate it without conflict and debt, and equip you to not just get divorced but to also be divorced, happily ever after. Join host and divorce coach Karen McNenny as she shares her wealth of knowledge, gets advice from other relationship experts, and profiles couples who learned how to have a Good Divorce, so you can too!

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    Karen McNenny, The Good Divorce® Show
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    103
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