The Sacred Slope

Alexis Rice

Where the slippery slope becomes sacred ground. For the spiritually tender — those searching for healthier expressions of our global Christian faith and deconstructing harmful theology. Listen to conversations with pastors, priests, reverends, scholars, artists, and public voices from multiple denominations, cultures, backgrounds, and genders. Come to be challenged, healed, and begin again.

  1. 2d ago ·  Video

    70. Can Christians Vote Democrat? Rethinking MAGA, Evangelicalism & Faith | Carter Brown, Leigh Larson & Alexis Rice

    Send us Fan Mail 70. Can Christians Vote Democrat? Rethinking MAGA, Evangelicalism & Faith | Carter Brown, Leigh Larson & Alexis Rice How fun is this? We were on Leigh Larson's Podcast, Follow the Leighder! Can you be a faithful Christian and vote Democrat? What happens when your conscience no longer agrees with the politics you were taught were Christian? Former MAGA supporter Carter Brown, theologian and veteran Leigh Larson, and The Sacred Slope host Alexis Rice come together for an honest conversation about Christianity, abortion, voting, and the courage to change your mind. Drawing on their different faith journeys, the three women explore conservative evangelicalism, Christian nationalism, the pressure to vote Republican, and why no political candidate perfectly represents our values. From single-issue voting and reproductive freedom to deconstruction and reclaiming faith, they ask what it means to think critically, respect other people's choices, and vote according to conscience. WHO IS THIS EPISODE FOR? Christians questioning the relationship between faith and political identity, former evangelicals, people navigating deconstruction, and anyone reconsidering beliefs they once held with certainty. GUESTS + FOLLOW Carter Brown | Former MAGA, former evangelicalInstagram/TikTok: @thisiscarterbrownSubstack: https://growthisaspiral.substack.com/ Leigh Larson | Theologian, veteran, host of Follow the LeighderInstagram: @followtheleighderPodcast: https://www.followtheleighder.com/Substack: https://followtheleighder.substack.com/ Alexis Rice | Host, The Sacred SlopeInstagram: @thesacredslopeWebsite: https://thesacredslope.com/ MENTIONED + RESOURCES Dan McClellan | @maklelanMonte Mader | @montemaderTim Whitaker / The New Evangelicals | @thenewevangelicalsDeconstructicon: https://deconstructicon.com/After Jesus Before Christianity | Westar Institute scholars Also discussed: James Talarico, Raphael Warnock, James Dobson, and Adam Clark. EXPLORE AFFIRMING CHRISTIANITY Discover conversations with Christian leaders, scholars, clergy, and people rethinking inherited beliefs at https://thesacredslope.com/ Books: https://bookshop.org/shop/thesacredslope EPISODE CHAPTERS 04:25 Meet Carter Brown, Leigh Larson & Alexis Rice06:14 Christianity, Politics & Hope10:55 Abortion, Voting & Political Identity21:58 Growing Up Conservative Evangelical26:56 Single-Issue Voting & Changing Your Mind35:16 Deconstruction & Challenging Religious Authority43:10 Faith, Reason & Christian Traditions51:26 What Does Deconstruction Mean?56:08 Voting, Conscience & Community1:00:24 Making Progressive Christian Voices Visible1:08:52 Reexamining Early Christianity1:12:15 Where to Follow Carter Brown #TheSacredSlope #Christianity #Deconstruction  #ChristianNationalism Support the show About The Sacred Slope  thesacredslope.comWhere the slippery slope becomes sacred ground.For the spiritually tender - raised in or rooted in Christianity.Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify     LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere     FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

  2. 3d ago ·  Video

    69. Robert G. Callahan II (Christian, Former Evangelical) | Fire in the Whole: Righteous Anger & Reclaiming Faith

    Send us Fan Mail 69. Robert G. Callahan II (Christian, Former Evangelical) | Fire in the Whole: Righteous Anger & Reclaiming Faith What if your anger at the Christianity you inherited isn't evidence that you've lost your faith, but evidence that you still care about what Jesus taught? Can you reject harmful Christianity without rejecting Jesus? Attorney, author, and Christian advocate Robert G. Callahan II joins Alexis Rice to discuss Fire in the Whole: Embracing Our Righteous Anger with White Christianity and Reclaiming Our Wholeness. After nearly a decade deeply involved in a conservative church community, Robert confronted racism, political idolatry, and the contradictions between the gospel he believed and the Christianity he experienced. Alexis and Robert explore righteous anger, spiritual trauma, Christian nationalism, Black Lives Matter, LGBTQ+ inclusion, and the cost of leaving a church community. They discuss why white Christianity isn't synonymous with global Christianity, the importance of listening to marginalized voices, and how to reconstruct faith without abandoning Jesus. Robert offers encouragement to anyone feeling spiritually homeless: give yourself permission to question, grieve, rest, and heal. WHO IS THIS EPISODE FOR? Christians, exvangelicals, pastors, people deconstructing or reconstructing faith, and anyone concerned about racism, religious trauma, justice, and belonging. GUEST + FOLLOW Robert G. Callahan II | @rcallahan_wacoRobertGCallahan.comFriday Fire | Robert's SubstackCallahan & King | Waco, Texas MENTIONED + RESOURCES Fire in the Whole | Robert G. Callahan IIWhen God Became White | Grace Ji-Sun Kim @gracejisunkimLisa Sharon Harper | @lisasharperDiana Butler Bass | @dianabutlerbassJemar Tisby | @jemartisbyDavid Hayward, The Naked Pastor | @nakedpastorWilda Gafney | Womanist biblical scholarMichael Che | @chethinks The Sacred Slope Guest Reccos Bookshop:https://bookshop.org/shop/thesacredslope EXPLORE AFFIRMING CHRISTIANITY Hear from guests around the world TheSacredSlope.com | Episodes, guests & resources EPISODE CHAPTERS 01:27 | Introduction to The Sacred Slope02:51 | The Intersection of Faith and Politics04:43 | Challenging Christian Nationalism07:09 | The Pain of Deconstruction07:32 | Reclaiming Faith01:37:07 | Introduction to The Sacred Slope01:37:07 | Nomination Process for Clergy Members #Deconstruction #WhiteChristianity #ChristianNationalism #Christianity Support the show About The Sacred Slope  thesacredslope.comWhere the slippery slope becomes sacred ground.For the spiritually tender - raised in or rooted in Christianity.Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify     LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere     FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

  3. Oct 27 ·  Bonus Video

    HIGHLIGHTS #1 | Kristin Kobes Du Mez (Christian) | Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made

    Send us Fan Mail Introducing The Sacred Slope Highlights! 🎙️ We're launching our new Highlights series with the most popular episode in The Sacred Slope's history! Our conversation with historian and New York Times bestselling author Kristin Kobes Du Mez (@kkdumez) is resonating with more of you than any other episode. And now, here is the snackable edition. Some of you love an hour-plus deep dive. Others want 20 minutes for your commute, your run, or while cooking dinner. Now you can have both! What if the Christianity you were taught wasn't simply inherited, but deliberately constructed? Who decided what Christians should believe, which books they should read, what music they could listen to, and what roles women were allowed to play? And what happens when the people who faithfully upheld those rules begin questioning the system itself? In this Highlights edition, Kristin, author of Jesus and John Wayne and Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made, joins Alexis Rice to explore the history behind the evangelical world so many of us grew up in. In this Highlights edition, we explore: The system: How American evangelicalism developed a self-contained culture of approved books, music, beliefs, and authorities The women: Why well-intentioned Christian women became defenders of systems that could also harm them The forgotten history: Christian feminists who fought for women's rights and interpreted Scripture as a message of liberation Purity culture: The promises of marriage, happiness, and blessing that left so many women carrying shame Beth Moore (@bethmoorelpm): What happened when one of evangelicalism's most influential women challenged abuse, misogyny, and Christian nationalism The bigger question: Why leaving or challenging a religious system can feel like abandoning Christianity itself Kristin reminds us that evangelical Christianity has never been one uniform tradition. There have always been women who questioned authority, challenged injustice, and imagined another way. "Real women's lives just do not fit in the neat boxes that fundamentalists draw." And perhaps the most liberating realization of all? The Christianity you inherited is not the only Christianity available to you. 🎧 Check out The Sacred Slope Highlights on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Substack, and Spotify! Want the entire conversation? Listen to Episode 56: Kristin Kobes Du Mez | Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made. https://youtu.be/mb5j_wGpMbY?si=kCWjH-IqNz_AQJDt We'd love to hear from you: What resonated most about this conversation? Why do you think it connected with so many people? And which episode should we highlight next? ⏱️ Highlights Chapters 00:05 The Closed System of Evangelical Culture01:19 Personal Reflections on Faith and Regret03:31 Understanding Power Dynamics in Evangelicalism04:18 The Role of Women in Shaping Evangelical History06:07 Concluding Thoughts on the Future of Christianity07:12 The Totalizing System of Evangelicalism10:08 Purity Culture and Its Impact14:43 Beth Moore: A Voice of Change21:51 Nomination Process for Clergy Members ✨ Guest + Books Kristin Kobes Du Mez | @kkdumez Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made Jesus and John Wayne A New Gospel for Women Publisher: Liveright Publishing, an imprint of W. W. Norton & Company 📚 People & Resources Mentioned Beth Moore | @bethmoorelpm Sarah Bessey | @sarahbessey #KristinKobesDuMez #LiveLaughLove #Christianity #Evangelicalism #Deconstruction #ChristianNationalism #PurityCulture #WomenInChurch Support the show About The Sacred Slope  thesacredslope.comWhere the slippery slope becomes sacred ground.For the spiritually tender - raised in or rooted in Christianity.Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify     LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere     FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

    HIGHLIGHTS #1 | Kristin Kobes Du Mez (Christian) | Live Laugh Love: The Secret History of White Christian Women and the World They Made
  4. Oct 23 ·  Video

    68. Robert P. Jones, PhD (PRRI) | Backslide: Christian Nationalism, Trump & America's Moral Reckoning

    Send us Fan Mail 68. Robert P. Jones, PhD (PRRI) | Backslide: Christian Nationalism, Trump & America's Moral Reckoning What happens when Christians are taught that one political party speaks for God? What happens to democracy when faith becomes a tool for political power? And how do we reclaim our moral conscience? Just before the 2026 U.S. midterm elections, Dr. Robert P. Jones (Robby), founder and president of the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), joins Alexis Rice to discuss his book Backslide: Reclaiming a Faith and a Nation after the Christian Turn Against Democracy. I believe Backslide is one of the most important books of our time. Whether you're in America or elsewhere, it offers a way to understand the history, research, and choices shaping this moment. Tim Whitaker of The New Evangelicals has a cameo joins the episode to reflect on some findings from PRRI's new American Values Survey. Alexis and Robby discuss Christian nationalism, white evangelical support for Trump, biblical authority, religious formation, and what happens when Christians hand their moral conscience to a party or pastor. They explore the stakes of the midterms, democratic checks and balances, protest, civic engagement, and why American Christian nationalism affects people far beyond U.S. borders. Amid the troubling data, where can we find hope? WHO IS THIS EPISODE FOR?Christians, exvangelicals, pastors, scholars, voters, and anyone concerned about faith, democracy, religious nationalism, and human rights worldwide. GUEST + FOLLOWDr. Robert P. Jones | @robertpjonesdcPRRI | @prripoll | prri.orgCameo Tim Whitaker | @thenewevangelicals @timwhitakerspeaksThe Convocation Unscripted | convocation.substack.com MENTIONED + RESOURCESBackslide; White Too Long; The End of White Christian America | Robert P. JonesGet it on The Sacred Slope Guest Reccos Bookshop: https://bookshop.org/shop/thesacredslopePRRI American Values Survey | PRRI & BrookingsDiana Butler Bass | @dianabutlerbassKristin Kobes Du Mez | @kkdumezJemar Tisby | @jemartisby EXPLORE AFFIRMING CHRISTIANITY Hear from guests around the worldTheSacredSlope.com | Episodes, guests & resources EPISODE CHAPTERS02:18 | Christianity's Global Impact07:24 | Robert P. Jones & Backslide10:01 | Religion, Media & Politics14:39 | Why Backslide Matters16:59 | When Data Breaks Your Heart19:47 | The Welcome Table21:38 | What Americans Are Feeling24:19 | Stakes of the Midterms29:23 | Reclaiming Moral Conscience40:48 | Scripture & Religious Formation43:12 | Christian Nationalism46:51 | Protest & Civic Engagement49:32 | Finding Common Ground56:43 | A Moment of Reckoning59:55 | Moral Responsibility01:05:06 | Humanity & Hope #ChristianNationalism #Backslide #RobertPJones #Democracy #Deconstruction #christianity Support the show About The Sacred Slope  thesacredslope.comWhere the slippery slope becomes sacred ground.For the spiritually tender - raised in or rooted in Christianity.Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify     LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere     FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

  5. Oct 20 ·  Video

    67. Tracy E. Gilchrist | Holding Space in Hollywood: Queer Media, Advocacy & the Power of Human Connection

    Send us Fan Mail 67. Tracy E. Gilchrist | Holding Space in Hollywood: Queer Media, Advocacy & the Power of Human Connection What does it take to make some of Hollywood's biggest stars feel truly seen? For Tracy E. Gilchrist, it starts with a simple question, genuine curiosity, and the willingness to hold space for another human being. The longtime LGBTQ+ entertainment journalist and former editor-in-chief of The Advocate became a viral sensation after her unforgettable "holding space" interview with Wicked stars Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande. But there's so much more to Tracy than one viral moment. After decades of interviewing Hollywood's biggest names and amplifying LGBTQ+ voices, Tracy is bringing her distinctive warmth, empathy, and love of storytelling to Holding Space with Tracy E. Gilchrist. In this episode of The Sacred Slope, Tracy joins Alexis Rice for a heartfelt conversation about Hollywood, queer representation, the importance of independent LGBTQ+ journalism, and what it means to create genuine human connection in a world that too often divides us. Tracy shares her coming-out journey, reflects on the importance of The Advocate and the It Gets Better Project, and explores why visibility and authentic storytelling matter - especially when LGBTQ+ communities face growing hostility. They also discuss Christianity, the impact of Christian Nationalism on queer lives, meaningful allyship, and where Tracy finds joy, courage, and hope. Beyond the viral moments and celebrity interviews is a woman who has spent her career helping people feel seen, heard, and valued. This is her story. In this episode The viral Wicked interview and the meaning of "holding space" Hollywood, celebrity interviews, and the art of human connection Tracy's new show, Holding Space with Tracy E. Gilchrist Her journey through LGBTQ+ entertainment journalism The Advocate and the importance of queer media The It Gets Better Project and uplifting LGBTQ+ youth Tracy's personal coming-out story Queer identity, Christianity, and Christian nationalism Threats to LGBTQ+ representation in entertainment Finding hope, joy, and community in challenging times Explore more The Sacred Slope: https://thesacredslope.com Explore searchable conversations with pastors, scholars, artists, and cultural voices about faith, identity, belonging, and the world we're creating together. Chapters 00:19 Introduction to Tracy E. Gilchrist01:33 The Art of Holding Space03:26 Getting to Know Tracy E. Gilchrist09:53 The Impact of "Defying Gravity"12:30 Tracy's Journey in Queer Media19:53 It Gets Better: Uplifting Queer Youth22:19 Holding Space as a Personal Ethos23:43 Tracy's Coming-Out Story26:09 The Advocate: A Lifeline for the Community35:49 Why Queer Media Matters39:41 Navigating Queer Identity and Christianity39:52 Christian Nationalism and Its Impact on Queer Lives41:55 What Meaningful Allyship Looks Like43:56 Threats to Queer Representation in Media46:12 Hope and Resilience in Queer Communities47:04 The Role of Money in Church Dynamics47:18 Finding Joy and Hope in Public Figures52:26 Community Support and Personal Resilience56:04 The Sacred Slope and Clergy Nominations Media Credits: Photos courtesy of Tracy E. Gilchrist’s press kit. Additional video and images sourced from Tracy E. Gilchrist’s Instagram and original media publishers. All rights belong to their respective owners. #LGBTQ #QueerMedia #deconstruction Support the show About The Sacred Slope  thesacredslope.comWhere the slippery slope becomes sacred ground.For the spiritually tender - raised in or rooted in Christianity.Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify     LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere     FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

  6. Oct 16 ·  Video

    66. Meghan Tschanz (Exvangelical) | How Purity Culture Fuels **pe Culture & Silences Women

    Send us Fan Mail 66. Meghan Tschanz (Exvangelical) | How Purity Culture Fuels **pe Culture & Silences Women What happens when Christianity teaches girls that their bodies are dangerous—and men's behavior is their responsibility?What if purity culture doesn't protect women, but helps create the conditions for abuse?And what happens when Christian women trust their own voices? Meghan Tschanz, author of Women Rising and host of Faith and Feminism, joins Alexis Rice to explore purity culture, rape culture, patriarchy, sexual violence, consent, and Christian feminism. Raised evangelical, Meghan learned that a good Christian girl should be modest, submissive, obedient, and responsible for men's desires.  Together, Alexis and Meghan examine how purity culture can normalize victim-blaming, protect male power, and teach women to distrust their intuition. They challenge biblical patriarchy, the manosphere, tradwife ideology, and the claim that male dominance defines Christianity. They also discuss feminist theology, seminary, diverse Christian traditions, and replacing purity culture with consent culture. What if questioning harmful teachings isn't abandoning Jesus—but following him more faithfully? And what if girls never had to shrink themselves to please God? The slippery slope doesn't have to lead to hell. Sometimes it leads to sacred ground. WHO IS THIS EPISODE FOR?Women healing from purity culture, sexual shame, or religious trauma; evangelicals and exvangelicals questioning patriarchy; survivors; and parents, pastors, and men seeking healthier conversations about consent, equality, and power. ✨ GUEST + FOLLOWMeghan Tschanz | IG: @meghantschanzFaith and Feminism | meghantschanz.com 📚 MENTIONED + RESOURCESWomen Rising | Meghan TschanzJesus and John Wayne | Kristin Kobes Du MezJohn Fugelsang | Jesus and WomenMattie Mae Motl | Feminist TheologyAmy Moses | Pelvic Floor Physical TherapyMark Driscoll | Biblical Patriarchy DiscussionMatthew 5 | Jesus on Lust and ResponsibilitySacred Slope Book Reccos: https://bookshop.org/shop/thesacredslope ⛪ EXPLORE AFFIRMING CHRISTIANITYChurch Clarity | @churchclarityThe Episcopal Church | @theepiscopalchurchUnited Church of Christ | @unitedchurchofchristELCA | @elcaPC(USA) | @pcusa ⏱️ EPISODE CHAPTERS02:45 | A Difficult Conversation for Christian Women04:41 | Growing Up in Purity Culture18:33 | Are These Really Christian Values?25:01 | Leaving Evangelical Patriarchy35:10 | Purity Culture vs. Consent Culture37:19 | How Church Culture Harms Women39:12 | The Myth of Biblical Womanhood42:23 | Seminary and Questioning Authority47:35 | Discovering Diverse Christian Theology52:46 | Finding Healthier Christian Communities56:24 | Reclaiming Your God-Given Voice1:03:01 | Spirituality, Nature and Healing #PurityCulture #RapeCulture #ChristianFeminism #ReligiousTrauma #Exvangelical Support the show About The Sacred Slope  thesacredslope.comWhere the slippery slope becomes sacred ground.For the spiritually tender - raised in or rooted in Christianity.Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify     LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere     FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

  7. Oct 13 ·  Video

    65. Rev. Darrell Hamilton II (Baptist) | Healing Religious Trauma: Tending to Open Wounds

    Send us Fan Mail 65. Rev. Darrell Hamilton II (Baptist) | Healing Religious Trauma: Tending to Open Wounds What happens when the Christianity that was supposed to heal you is what wounded you? What if questioning your faith isn't a slippery slope to hell, but the beginning of liberation? And what if the image of God you inherited shapes how you see women, LGBTQ+ people, race, and power? Rev. Darrell R. Hamilton II is an ordained Baptist minister, preacher, writer, and advocate for faith-rooted justice. A graduate of Wake Forest University School of Divinity, he has served at Middle Collegiate Church and worked with Repairers of the Breach and the Poor People's Campaign. Rev. Darrell joins Alexis Rice for a powerful conversation about religious trauma, deconstruction, Black liberation theology, decolonizing Christianity, Christian nationalism, and what it really takes to heal from harmful Christianity. Raised in Oklahoma, Rev. Darrell grew up believing that questioning certain Christian teachings could threaten his salvation. Then he met a gay Christian whose church wouldn't allow him to sing in the choir. How could a church silence someone's praise to God? That question changed everything. At Wake Forest University School of Divinity, Rev. Darrell discovered an enormous Christian theological world he had never been introduced to. Black liberation theology. Queer theology. Feminine images of God. Perspectives that challenged everything he had been taught about who God is and who belongs. Together, Alexis and Rev. Darrell explore why so many Christians never encounter these perspectives, how white-centered theology became normalized, and what happens when Christians imagine God exclusively as a white man. They discuss James Cone, the power of Black preaching and worship, and why liberation theology invites us to understand Christianity through the experiences of people who have been oppressed. If the way we imagine God shapes how we treat one another, what happens when we change our understanding of God? And then there's the question of healing. Some people have scars from harmful Christianity. Others are still carrying open wounds. Not everyone is ready to reconstruct their faith, return to church, or even talk about God. How can pastors, churches, and those who understand multiple Christian traditions help people heal without causing more harm? Rev. Darrell also shares his hope for his daughter and the next generation: a Christianity rooted in love, justice, dignity, belonging, and the beloved community rather than fear and domination. The slippery slope doesn't have to lead to hell. Sometimes it leads to sacred ground. WHO IS THIS EPISODE FOR? Evangelicals in distress, exvangelicals, and anyone navigating religious trauma, deconstruction, or disillusionment. Christians who still love Jesus but are questioning the theology, politics, and power structures they inherited. LGBTQ+ Christians, women in ministry, and people who have been told they don't belong. White Christians seeking to learn from Black liberation theology, decolonization, and Christian traditions beyond their own. Cradle mainliners and progressive Christians who want to better understand the experiences of those leaving fundamentalist Christianity. People of any faith or none seeking healing, justice, and hope. Pastors, seminarians, scholars, bishops, and church leaders who want to create communities where people can question, heal, and belong. ✨ GUEST + FOLLOW Rev. Darrell R. Hamilton II (Baptist) | IG: @blackandeducatedpreacherWake Forest University School of Divinity | IG: @wakedivinityMiddle Collegiate Church | IG: @middlechurch 📚 MENTIONED + RESOURCES Rev. Dr. James H. Cone | Black Liberation TheologyA Black Theology of Liberation | James H. ConeThe Cross and the Lynching Tree | James H. ConeRev. Dr. Kelly Brown Douglas | Womanist TheologyStand Your Ground: Black Bodies and the Justice of God | Kelly Brown DouglasGustavo Gutiérrez | Liberation TheologyRev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis | IG: @revjacquilewisRev. Dr. Otis Moss III | Trinity United Church of ChristBishop William J. Barber II | Repairers of the BreachRepairers of the Breach | breachrepairers.orgPoor People's Campaign | poorpeoplescampaign.orgRev. Dr. Bill Leonard | Wake Forest UniversityJohn Mark Comer | IG: @johnmarkcomerPracticing the Way | John Mark ComerDiana Butler Bass | IG: @dianabutlerbass Find these books and more on The Sacred Slope Book Reccos List: https://bookshop.org/shop/thesacredslope ⛪ EXPLORE AFFIRMING CHRISTIANITY Church Clarity | @churchclarity | churchclarity.orgThe Episcopal Church | @theepiscopalchurchUnited Methodist Church | @theumcUnited Church of Christ | @unitedchurchofchristELCA Lutheran | @elcaPresbyterian Church (USA) | @pcusaDisciples of Christ | @disciplesofchrist ⏱️ EPISODE CHAPTERS 00:00 | When Christianity Causes Harm12:45 | Meet Rev. Darrell Hamilton II14:58 | The Future of Progressive Churches23:04 | The Slippery Slope to Hell29:30 | Deconstruction in Seminary37:28 | Finding an Open-Minded Seminary42:00 | What Christian Bookstores Didn't Teach Us44:48 | Questioning Traditional Theology47:41 | Discovering Feminine Images of God51:11 | Is God a Man?55:42 | How Theology Shapes Society1:00:17 | What Is Liberation Theology?1:06:36 | Understanding God and Jesus1:07:22 | Theology Through the Eyes of the Oppressed1:08:11 | Deconstructing White-Centered Christianity1:09:10 | Seeing God in Others1:09:55 | Confronting Whiteness in Christianity1:11:43 | Why Black Preaching Matters1:13:10 | Divesting from Whiteness1:14:39 | Entering Sacred Spaces1:15:11 | The Beauty of Black Worship1:16:32 | An Invitation into Black Churches1:18:39 | Reclaiming Identity Through Diversity1:20:33 | The Path to Transformation1:21:35 | Building the Beloved Community1:23:11 | Hearing God Through Diversity1:26:04 | The Sacred Slope Community & Clergy Nominations #ReligiousTrauma #Deconstruction #LiberationTheology #BlackLiberationTheology #DecolonizingChristianity Support the show About The Sacred Slope  thesacredslope.comWhere the slippery slope becomes sacred ground.For the spiritually tender - raised in or rooted in Christianity.Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify     LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere     FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

  8. Oct 8 ·  Video

    64. Healing After Evangelicalism & Finding a Beautiful Faith | Diana Butler Bass (Methodist → Evangelical → Episcopal)

    Send us Fan Mail 64. Healing After Evangelicalism & Finding a Beautiful Faith | Diana Butler Bass (Methodist → Evangelical → Episcopal) What if the Christianity you were taught was never the only Christianity that existed? What if leaving evangelicalism didn't mean leaving Jesus? And what if the people best positioned to help heal Christianity are those who understand more than one Christian world? Dr. Diana Butler Bass, historian, theologian, and bestselling author, joins Alexis Rice for a conversation about religious trauma, deconstruction, Christian nationalism, and finding beauty and belonging beyond evangelical fundamentalism. Diana shares her journey from a Methodist childhood through evangelicalism and into the Episcopal Church. Together, they explore the theological diversity many Christians never knew existed and why mainline churches can offer an alternative to the faith systems people are leaving. At the heart of this conversation is the urgent need for TRANSLATORS. People who understand evangelical culture AND mainline Christianity. People who can explain evangelical beliefs, fears, and wounds to progressive Christians, pastors, and scholars, while helping those leaving high-control religion discover other ways of following Jesus. WHO IS THIS EPISODE FOR? For evangelicals in distress and exvangelicals seeking healing. For cradle mainliners and progressive Christians who want to understand the evangelical world. For people of any faith or none who are carrying religious wounds and longing for hope. And especially for seminarians, scholars, pastors, bishops, and church leaders who want to welcome people shaped by religious trauma and learn from those who can translate between Christian traditions. Diana reminds us: "Mainline theology is not a Jenga Tower. Mainline theology is a mosaic." We also explore her new book, A Beautiful Year: 52 Meditations on Faith, Wisdom, and Perseverance, the Christian calendar, and the beauty of quiet faith. There are other ways to follow Jesus. There is still beauty to be found. ✨ GUEST + BOOKS Diana Butler Bass | @dianabutlerbassA Beautiful Year bookshop.org/shop/thesacredslopeThe Cottage | dianabutlerbass.substack.com ⛪ EXPLORE MAINLINE CHRISTIANITY Episcopal Church | @theepiscopalchurchUnited Methodist Church | @theumcUnited Church of Christ | @unitedchurchofchristELCA Lutheran | @elcaPresbyterian Church (USA) | @pcusaDisciples of Christ | @disciplesofchrist 🎙️ PEOPLE + COMMUNITIES Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde | @mariannbuddeKristin Kobes Du Mez | @kkdumezJemar Tisby | @jemartisbyRobert P. Jones | @robertpjonesdcTheology Beer Camp | @theologybeercampTripp Fuller | @trippfullerDr Jennifer Garcia Bashaw | @jgbashawHomebrewed Christianity | @theologynerdBible for Normal People | @biblefornormalpeoplePete Enns | @peteennsJared Byas | @jaredbyasBrian McLaren | @brian_mclarenSarah Bessey | @sarahbesseyJen Hatmaker | @jenhatmakerNadia Bolz-Weber | @sarcasticlutheranBarbara Brown Taylor | @barbarabrowntaylorRachel Held Evans (1981-2019) | @rachelheldevans ⏱️ CHAPTERS 03:51 | Meet Diana Butler Bass11:48 | Methodist to Evangelical14:46 | Taking Jesus With You23:21 | Why Christianity Needs Translators28:54 | Evangelical vs. Mainline33:43 | Finding a New Church Home39:48 | Translating Religious Trauma45:59 | Why Young Adults Leave52:13 | Jesus, Politics & No Kings58:02 | Jenga Towers vs. Mosaics01:03:53 | Deception & Responsibility01:06:19 | Healing After Evangelicalism01:10:01 | The Beauty of Quiet Faith01:14:20 | Empathy & Shared Grief01:17:36 | A Beautiful Year01:22:48 | Opening Our Minds01:36:48 | The Sacred Slope Community #DianaButlerBass #ABeautifulYear #Deconstruction #ReligiousTrauma #MainlineChristianity Support the show About The Sacred Slope  thesacredslope.comWhere the slippery slope becomes sacred ground.For the spiritually tender - raised in or rooted in Christianity.Come explore our global, diverse, inclusive Christian faith, deconstruction, and spiritual identity in a rapidly changing world. Through conversations with clergy, scholars, and cultural voices, the show creates space for people navigating faith after certainty, church harm, or political co-option of religion. 🎧 WATCH: YouTube / Spotify     LISTEN: Apple Podcasts + everywhere     FOLLOW: @thesacredslope (IG, FB, Threads, TikTok, YouTube, Bluesky) 🔗 Connect🎧 Explore episodes & community: linktr.ee/TheSacredSlope 🎙 Hosted by Alexis Rice 🎵 Music by Brett Rutledge, Eddie Irvin & Sean Spence 📬 Nominate a guest: alexis@thesacredslope.com 🌿 Community Guidelines 🌿Fruit of the Spirit:  ❤️ love • 💫 joy • ☮️ peace • 🕊 patience • 💝 kindness • 🌿 goodness • 🙏 faithfulness • 🤲 gentleness • 💪 self-control

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