Love Thy Neighbor: Episode Notes Episode: "LTN 53 - Chivalry Mode" Hosts: Tom Vann, Dan Dennis, Colette Fehr | Guest: None Sponsors / Ad Reads MyEternalVitality.com (Eternal Vitality, Dr. Robert Powers, D.O.): Ad read for Dr. Powers' physician-led clinic offering functional, hormonal and metabolic care: hormone optimization for men and women (testosterone, perimenopause, menopause), metabolic health and medical weight loss, gut health restoration, peptide therapy, nutrition and lifestyle strategy, and VitaSculpt noninvasive body recomposition. The clinic is at 4361 Hunters Park Lane, Orlando, with virtual consults available across Florida. Call 407-710-1840, or start with a Vitality Discovery Session or the 60-Second Vitality Score quiz on the site. Segment Rundown Cold open: losing his voice: Dan says he's coming in cold and losing his voice after late-night karaoke. Tom and Colette both say they love karaoke too. Upward and traditional dating: Colette brings up Upward, a new dating app that tries to bring back more traditional dating. The hosts talk about app burnout, ghosting, and how starting with a photo begins things on a fake note. Colette retells a secondhand story about a comedian on Trevor Noah's podcast who joked that people should walk around naked and "sniff each other out." Her point is that attraction is instinctive and almost instant, and a static photo can't tell you that. The Chick-fil-A comparison: Upward is rooted in faith but doesn't require it, which a host compares to Chick-fil-A, and the hosts riff on that. They also note that Upward comes from the same company behind Tinder, Hinge and Match, so it's really about reaching a different market. Chivalry Mode and who pays: The hosts explain the app's "Chivalry Mode," where the man messages first and the woman decides whether to reply. Colette recalls getting roasted on a California podcast for saying chivalry shouldn't be dead. Dan says he offered to pay when he dated Andrea, but he's fine if a woman wants to split. He describes watching a couple outside a pizza place where the woman waited with her hands on her hips for the man to open her car door, and he opened it rudely. His advice: lower expectations, focus on whether you hit it off, and if a guy offers to pay, just let him. Polite woman syndrome: Colette pushes back, asking why anyone should go against their own values just to make someone else comfortable. That leads to jokes about "polite woman syndrome" and Dan's "polite man syndrome," with Tom calling Dan "Mr. Compromise." Colette notes she covers this in her book The Cost of Quiet. Southern manners: Colette says she sees door-opening and offering to pay as politeness, not control. She realizes on air that both her husbands are Southern (her ex from Arkansas and Texas, her current husband from Kentucky). Dan describes growing up in a very Southern household (his parents are from Virginia), with church manners and holding elevators for everyone. He recalls a time in his twenties when that kind of courtesy suddenly seemed outdated. The hosts discuss the "if I pay, you owe me" trope and agree to give people grace about how they were raised. Traditional values and atheism: Tom says the phrase "traditional values" makes him scoff because he's an atheist. That sets off a running bit about him and his vegetarian wife, a "Captain Atheist" cape, and a crude joke about why he'd pay for dinner. Tom says he means evolutionary, human-connection values rather than religious ones. Fake profiles and AI photos: The hosts discuss profiles that read like padded resumes, outdated or misleading photos, and AI avatars. Colette doesn't understand posting photos that don't look like you. Tom compares it to how the internet rewards argumentative, attention-seeking comments, which pushes people toward ever more flattering fake pictures. How people used to meet: Dan explains he met his wife through a mutual friend and asked her out face to face, confidently telling her she was going to go out with him. He says just thinking about it still gives him butterflies. The hosts talk about the old vetting process, where friends and family set people up, and Tom's "hive intelligence" idea that the people around you are better matchmakers than an app. A chat member, Charles, says his sister introduced him to his wife 23 years ago. Upward's other features: Colette goes through the app's "marriage timeline," where users post when they hope to marry, and its "core values" matching. She likes the intent but notes people can say whatever they want on there. Post-COVID isolation: Colette says it's harder for her to get back out socially since COVID. The hosts note that younger generations now see approaching someone at a bar as rude, so there are fewer ways left to meet in real life. Love Is Blind new season: Colette is watching the new season and explains the format: dating through a wall, getting engaged, a month of living together, then the altar. She covers how few couples last and describes a contestant named Jack who froze at the reveal and later left the show. The chat says the guy looks like Quagmire from Family Guy, Colette thinks he looks more like John Travolta, and a host says Tom looks a little like Quagmire. "You'll be back": Dan recalls telling his future wife he still wanted to date around, and she confidently told him he'd be back. She was right. Kentucky Steve: The hosts joke about Colette's husband pulling up on a harvester. Colette says he grew up on a farm but gives off more of a nerd-and-finance vibe, and the big point in his favor is that he knows who Waylon Jennings is. Does looks matter? Tom argues Love Is Blind is a skewed experiment because the contestants want fame, and that falling for someone's mind could work with ordinary lonely people. Colette argues physical attraction still matters and a visceral "ick" rarely turns around. The hosts note Tom has been with his wife Crystal since he was 16. Colette says her husband first gave off more of a friend vibe, and jokes that he tore his bicep without complaining. She also reconsiders Jack's edit more charitably. Chat comments from Double Dag (looks matter less after about five years) and Just Jen (men don't like bigger women) lead Tom and Dan to say they're "pro-thick," with jokes about how easily they fall for people. The 36 Questions experiment: Colette brings up the 36 questions study. A host looks it up: Arthur Aron at Stony Brook, 1997, three escalating sets of questions ending in four minutes of silent eye contact, with a 2015 New York Times piece that popularized it. Colette ties it to her couples therapy work: gradually sharing more with each other is what builds emotional intimacy. Is love supernatural? Tom asks whether people treat love as something mystical when they can actually create it, comparing it to training your brain to crave exercise. Limerence explained: After a limerick joke about a man from Nantucket, Colette explains limerence: the obsessive thoughts, the butterflies, and the rush of dopamine, oxytocin and similar chemicals. It can attach to parasocial or one-sided crushes as well as healthy new love. She says brain scans of someone in limerence look similar to drug use, that the initial high usually fades after about 18 months, and she introduces the term "normal marital hatred." She jokes that her husband isn't allowed to chew in front of her. Her advice is to slow down, ask deeper questions, and watch how someone handles frustration and hurt feelings. Tom's marriage and vow renewals: Colette jokes that it's a miracle Tom is still married, now coming up on 20 years. The hosts joke about him renewing his vows on a volcano dressed like Boyz II Men, and about the superstition that couples who renew their vows end up divorcing. Colette's Italy trip: The hosts are pre-banking shows because Colette is going to Italy with her 81-year-old dad and her aunt. It's an immersive language trip to Le Marche, the least-visited region, on the Adriatic, with three hours of Italian lessons a day, cooking classes and excursions. The hosts joke about men flirting with her, "expresso," and the news about troops in Milan. Dan, as a girl dad, says he loves the trip. Colette teaches the phrase "non vedo l'ora," and Tom says his phone will translate everything for him. Key Dates / Plugs Mentioned Ongoing: Colette's book, The Cost of Quiet. Ongoing: Colette's podcast, Insights from the Couch. Ongoing: MyEternalVitality.com with Dr. Robert Powers. Call 407-710-1840. Hours are Monday to Thursday, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Upcoming: Colette's Italy trip to Le Marche. Shows are being pre-banked to cover her time away. Next week: Listener email episode. Send questions to hello@lovethyneighborshow.com (all anonymous). Anytime: Leave a voicemail at 1-844-TOMANDAN and say it's for Love Thy Neighbor. Notable Guests/Callers No in-studio guest, phone-in callers or voicemails this episode. Charles (chat room): Says his sister introduced him to his wife 23 years ago. Double Dag (chat room): Says looks matter in the first few years but fade after about five. Just Jen (chat room): Says Love Is Blind taught her that men don't like bigger women. Unnamed chat member: Says the Love Is Blind contestant looks like Quagmire. Kentucky Steve: Colette's husband. He's mentioned throughout but doesn't appear. Sources: MyEternalVitality.com