In this deeply human and hopeful conversation, Amy Leneker welcomes her very first podcast guests to Less Stress, More Joy: Dr. Lizzy Perez and Joni Goodman—both leadership coaches, certified Dare to Lead facilitators, and champions of emotional intelligence and nervous system regulation. Together, they explore the real cost of hustle culture, the hidden stress messages many leaders inherit, and why managing stress isn’t just a wellness strategy—it’s a joy strategy. From personal stress stories and nervous system tools to hobbies, play, and the courage to slow down, this episode is an invitation to lead—and live—with less stress and more joy. Chapters: 00:00 — Meet the Guests Dr. Lizzy Perez & Joni Goodman join Amy Leneker 04:30 — One Good Thing Slowing down, nervous system trust & living with intention 09:00 — Our Stress Stories Anxiety, hustle culture & inherited stress messages 14:00 — Stress Lives in the Body Perfectionism, burnout & nervous system regulation 18:00 — Joy Is a Strategy Vulnerability, play & emotional safety 22:00 — Tools to Reset Stress Grounding, cold exposure, movement & pauses 26:00 — Hobbies & Fun Reclaiming joy, where to find the guests & closing 🌟 What You’ll Learn in This Episode Why stress is a full-body experience, not just a mindset issueHow inherited messages about hard work and productivity fuel burnoutThe surprising link between vulnerability and joyWhat nervous system regulation really looks like in everyday lifeSimple, science-backed tools to reduce cortisol and reset your stress responseWhy play accelerates habit change and builds joy fasterThe powerful question that changed Amy’s life:“What are your hobbies? What do you do for fun?”How joy can exist alongside ambition, leadership, and meaningful work 🧠 Memorable Moments & Insights Dr. Lizzy Perez shares how slowing down helped her trust her nervous system—and why talking out loud about your feelings can reduce cortisol.Joni Goodman opens up about anxiety, people-pleasing, and the cost of being “the one who always gets it done.”Amy reflects on the legacy of hustle culture and the invisible timelines we place on ourselves.The group discusses why many adults struggle to name joyful moments—and how vulnerability is required to experience joy.A powerful reframing: Managing stress isn’t just about survival—it’s about creating space for joy. 🛠️ Practical Stress-to-Joy Strategies Shared The 5-4-3-2-1 grounding exercise (using the five senses)Speaking your emotions out loud to activate the internal unloading effectPlay as a shortcut to habit formation and joyCold exposure for nervous system regulationWalking without electronics to avoid doom-scrollingIntentional pauses and breaks during facilitation and workdaysZumba, gardening, dancing, writing, thrifting, photography, travel, and more 💬 Call to Action If you’ve ever answered “I don’t know” to the question “What do you do for fun?” let this episode be your invitation to rediscover joy, play, and rest—without guilt. 👥 About the Guests Dr. Lizzy Perez Leadership coach, facilitator, and researcher with a PhD in Leadership Studies. Her work sits at the intersection of emotional intelligence, courage, perfectionism, and nervous system regulation. Website: lizzy-perez.comInstagram: @lizzyperezllcLinkedIn: Lizzy Perez (Elizabeth “Lizzy” Perez)Facebook: Lizzy Perez Joni Goodman Chief Breakthrough Officer of JDG Advisors, certified Dare to Lead facilitator, leadership catalyst, and author of Rappel. Specializes in women’s leadership, emotional intelligence, and transformative facilitation. Website: jdgadvisors.comBook: Rappel (Available on Amazon and via her website)LinkedIn / Facebook / Instagram: Joni D. Goodman 📢 Stay Connected Love this episode? ✔️ Follow the show ✔️ Share it with a friend ✔️ Leave a quick review ✔️ Pre-order Amy’s book everywhere books are sold Reach out with thoughts or feedback—you just might hear them on the show. Less Stress. More Joy. Zero Toxic Positivity.