100 episodes

A podcast featuring both one-on-one and three-way roundtable conversations with contemporary artists, dealers, curators, and collectors--based in Los Angeles, but reaching nationally and internationally.

The Conversation: an Artist Podcast Michael Shaw

    • 4.5, 179 Ratings

A podcast featuring both one-on-one and three-way roundtable conversations with contemporary artists, dealers, curators, and collectors--based in Los Angeles, but reaching nationally and internationally.

Customer Reviews

4.5 out of 5
179 Ratings

179 Ratings

caryre ,

The Lives of Artists

I enjoy this podcast immensely. Definitely gives the real perspective on the artist’s life and I like how the interviewer pushes for answers. I don’t live in an art capital and I’m way past 20 so I like hearing about what those crazy kids are up to.

Erwo the Elder ,

Yoga class for your artist mind

I really enjoy The Conversation podcast because it talks about issues I care about, it is fun to visualize who and what are being talked about (and then look it up later-it’s like a game for me), and I always feel mentally stretched and refreshed afterwards. I get hungry for these types of in depth conversations about contemporary art because they aren’t always available where I live (or I don’t always have time to put myself in the right company to have them). I’m always hoping public radio will figure out that art can and should be talked about on the radio (for crying out loud we have/had shows about cooking and car repair). This show would be a good model for those NPR folks to see/hear what could be done. Just hire Michael already. Until they figure it out, I’ll get my fix here.

Loquat73 ,

Perpetuate the myths around the contemporary art community.

This podcast continues to perpetuate the myths around the dysfunctional contemporary art community.

Hard work/skill/ideas and you will succeed in the contemporary art field - NOT TRUE. It's really about who you know in the art world and what circles you run in. You show your work at small galleries for emerging artists because a friend recommends you, talent has nothing to do with it. The small gallery calls you back because they see a market for your paintings. If you’re a couple of your paintings sell they’ll give you your own show but ask you to create “new” but similar paintings. They don't want new ideas, because what if these new ideas don't sell! You have a show and nothing sells - they don't call you again (I get it it’s a business). Or maybe they do call you but put you in a group show so there is a higher chance of selling artwork. If nothing sells you move on and call another friend that's showing at another small gallery and ask them to get you in. You continue this small gallery cycle for 5-10 years making it may be up to a mid-level gallery and then start the cycle over again for another 10 - 20 years. If you run in wealthier circles you can start at a mid-level gallery or if you’re lucky you get your start at one of the "big money" galleries. If you sell a painting their you can live off of the money for a couple of months or even years. But it’s the same cycle all over again.

Myth Two, you need a studio space. Most artists have a second job and cannot make a living off their art. There are thousands of artists who are waiters/waitress and struggle month to month with a family. And yet they need to rent a studio? Why? Just because that is what an artist has to do to be taken seriously! I have older friends who are now in their late 50's divorced and are still in this NYC contemporary art world cycle and have to work crappy jobs to keep going. There is no silver lining here, there is no being discovered and then selling your art for millions. You show work, you sell a painting here & there and then some time you give up and guess what no one notices.

Myth Three, you need to go to art school to understand art history and be able to talk about your thought process/ practice of your art. That is total BS most artists come up with a simple idea, then try to backfill the thought process behind it. Or the galleries/curators who think your artwork can sell, will take your idea and expand upon it with or without you. They will expand upon it and put it into the lexicon of fine art for you. The artist then regurgitates that to other patrons, collectors, galleries and other artists - to appear more conceptual and elite. But sometimes (this is where it gets interesting) an artist creates a new different never-before seen piece of art. Sometimes he’s sick of his old work and want to try something new. He has a show with a deadline and he/she didn't really think through their artwork and process. He/she didn't get a chance to sync up their thoughts with the curator, gallery or museum. The museum decides to have a Q&A with the artist and then you hear the artists real thoughts on their work and sometimes it goes horribly wrong.

Myth Four, LowBrow art or "Juxtapoz" art is not real art and should not be considered in the same lexicon as current contemporary art. Artist in the contemporary art world love to talk down about it, disrespect and ignore the artists that work in this “Juxtapoz” style. They hate it, won't discuss it and they even look down at anyone who states, how much they like it. But to their chagrin, this market in the last couple of years has exploded. These artists involved make a very good living and they’re more collectors/new galleries popping up all over this art world catering to them. To me it just sounds like jealousy and close- minded thinking.

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