Let's Talk EVM

Co-hosts: Amber Young and Barbara Phillips

A public service podcast to engage with the Earned Value Management (EVM) community

  1. 4d ago

    Episode 30: Forward Leaning Self-Governance with Joe Venditti

    What separates organizations that simply maintain an Earned Value Management System from those that continuously improve it? In this episode, Amber and Barbara welcome Joe Venditti, a longtime project controls leader with decades of experience spanning the U.S. Air Force, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Energy, to explore the evolution of forward-leaning self-governance. Drawing on lessons learned over an extraordinary career, Joe shares how his organization transformed self-governance from an annual compliance exercise into a daily management discipline. He explains how a difficult certification process became the catalyst for a lasting cultural shift—one where leadership embraced accountability, success began to build upon itself, and continuous improvement became part of everyday operations rather than something reserved for formal reviews. The conversation dives into the practical side of making that vision a reality. Joe discusses building automated self-governance tools, creating authoritative data sources, leveraging software to identify issues before they become findings, and empowering a "shadow army" of technical experts to strengthen project performance across the enterprise. More importantly, he explains why the true measure of a mature EVMS isn't passing surveillance—it's using the system every day to make better decisions. Whether you're just beginning your EVMS journey or leading an established program, this episode offers practical ideas for moving beyond compliance and building a culture where governance becomes a competitive advantage. Join us as we explore why the strongest organizations don't wait for someone else to find their problems—they're already looking for them themselves.

    Episode 30: Forward Leaning Self-Governance with Joe Venditti
  2. Jul 23

    Episode 29: EVM is Ready. Is AI? with Craig Haseler

    Artificial intelligence is transforming nearly every profession, but is it ready for Earned Value Management? In this episode, Amber and Barbara welcome Craig Haseler, technical lead for the Department of Energy's Project Assessment and Reporting System (PARS), to explore one of the biggest questions facing project controls today: Can AI truly understand EVM? Craig shares the story behind developing one of the Department of Energy's first AI assistants, affectionately known as Walt, and explains why project management, and particularly EVM, is a surprisingly powerful environment for applying artificial intelligence. Together, they unpack how large language models actually work, why they're fundamentally different from traditional software, and why understanding those differences matters for anyone using AI professionally. The conversation explores everything from deterministic calculations and AI-assisted coding to prompt engineering, hallucinations, security, and the importance of pairing AI with trusted analytical tools rather than expecting it to replace them. Along the way, Craig offers practical insights into building AI responsibly inside government, discusses the safeguards needed when working with sensitive project data, and explains why the future isn't about replacing human judgment, it's about augmenting it. Whether you're AI-curious, already experimenting with large language models, or wondering how emerging technology will shape the future of project management, this episode provides a thoughtful, balanced perspective grounded in real-world experience. Join us as we explore the intersection of artificial intelligence and Earned Value Management—and ask the question: EVM is ready. Is AI?

    Episode 29: EVM is Ready. Is AI? with Craig Haseler
  3. Jul 17

    Episode 28-1: Situational Awareness with Astronaut Mike Fincke

    For the first time ever, Let's Talk EVM reaches orbit. Join us for an extraordinary conversation with ⁠NASA astronaut Mike Fincke⁠, whose remarkable career shows how the principles at the heart of Earned Value Management can help people deliver complex projects, understand reality, and prepare humans to explore space. This episode marks an exciting milestone for the podcast. Amber and Barbara sit down with astronaut Mike Fincke, who has served as a commander, pilot, and mission specialist. He has spent more than 549 days in space, completed nine spacewalks, flown aboard the Space Shuttle, Soyuz, and SpaceX Crew Dragon, and helped build the International Space Station. But what surprised us most was discovering that before becoming an astronaut, Mike was an Air Force acquisition officer who learned Earned Value Management early in his career and carried its principles with him through decades of flight testing, spacecraft development, and human spaceflight. In this extraordinary conversation, Mike reveals why situational awareness is a common thread between performing a spacewalk at 17,500 miles per hour and managing billion-dollar programs. Whether floating outside the International Space Station with limited oxygen or leading a complex acquisition effort, success depends on seeing reality clearly, understanding what matters most, and making informed decisions before small problems become catastrophic. His analogy connecting an EVA, the technical term for a spacewalk, with EVM is one of the most powerful explanations of Earned Value Management we have ever heard. The discussion goes far beyond spaceflight. Mike shares how great leaders create environments where people can tell the truth without fear, why “clarity is kindness” became a guiding principle for his crews, and how high-performing teams build trust, communicate openly, and maintain shared situational awareness under immense pressure. From spacecraft cockpits to executive dashboards, and from mission control to project control, this episode explores the timeless principles connecting leadership, culture, data, and decision-making. Whether you are an EVM practitioner, project manager, engineer, leader, or simply someone fascinated by space exploration, this is a conversation you will not want to miss. It is a rare opportunity to hear a NASA astronaut explain why the same principles that keep astronauts alive in orbit can also help organizations navigate complexity here on Earth. It is a masterclass in leadership, truth, and situational awareness from someone who has lived it. https://www.nasa.gov/people/edward-michael-mike-fincke/

    Episode 28-1: Situational Awareness with Astronaut Mike Fincke
  4. Jul 10

    Episode 27: The Birth of the IP2M METRR with Edd Gibson

    Every framework has a story. But few are born through years of research, spirited debate, rigorous testing, and collaboration across government, industry, and academia. In this episode, Amber and Barbara welcome Dr. Edd Gibson, President of the National Academy of Construction and former professor at Arizona State University, to share the remarkable story behind the creation of IP2M METRR—the Integrated Project and Program Management Maturity and Environment Total Risk Rating. From its earliest concept to a research-backed assessment framework, Dr. Gibson explains how one simple question evolved into a multi-year effort to better understand what makes project management systems truly effective. The conversation explores how the research team quickly discovered that even experienced practitioners struggled to agree on fundamental definitions of EVM and EVMS. Rather than forcing predetermined answers, the team embraced the scientific method, assembling nearly 30 experts from government, industry, and academia to challenge assumptions, debate terminology, and build consensus through evidence. What followed was an extensive effort involving literature reviews, international surveys, workshops with nearly one hundred organizations, and countless hours of analyzing feedback to ensure the final framework reflected the collective knowledge of the profession—not the opinion of any one individual. One of the study's most important discoveries was unexpected: technical excellence alone does not determine project success. The research revealed that organizational culture, leadership, and the environment in which project teams operate are just as critical as the technical maturity of the management system itself. Dr. Gibson explains why IP2M METRR intentionally measures both dimensions – maturity and environment, offering a more complete picture of project health than traditional assessments alone. The discussion also addresses critiques of the framework, the value of measuring maturity, and why rigorous research sometimes leads to answers no one initially expected. Whether you've heard of IP2M METRR or are discovering it for the first time, this episode offers a fascinating behind-the-scenes look at how a major advancement in project management came to life. Join us as we explore the research, collaboration, and curiosity that gave birth to one of the profession's most innovative approaches to understanding—and improving—project management maturity. Links for IP2M METRR: ASU: https://ip2m.engineering.asu.edu/ DOE: https://www.energy.gov/projectmanagement/articles/ip2m-metrr-asu-evms-study Link to Measurable News referenced in the episode: coming soon

    Episode 27: The Birth of the IP2M METRR with Edd Gibson
  5. Jul 3

    Episode 26: Challenges Remain with Jim Henderson

    What can decades of Earned Value Management history teach us about the challenges we still face today? In this episode, Amber and Barbara are joined by Jim Henderson, a respected EVMS leader whose career spans the U.S. Air Force, Naval Air Systems Command, NASA, Defense Contract Management Agency, DOE, and years of consulting across government and industry. Drawing on more than four decades of experience, Jim shares a firsthand account of how EVMS has evolved—and why many of its biggest challenges remain. The conversation explores pivotal moments in EVMS history, including the lessons learned from the A-12 program and the organizational changes that reshaped oversight, surveillance, and system validation. Jim explains how inconsistent customer expectations, fragmented oversight, and the transition from validation to long-term surveillance influenced the development of today's EVMS practices. Along the way, he offers a rare insider's perspective on how government agencies, contractors, and review teams have worked to strengthen the discipline over time. But this episode isn't just about history. Jim argues that the greatest challenge today isn't simply producing compliant EVMS data—it's ensuring leaders actually use that information to make better technical, cost, and schedule decisions. The discussion highlights the continuing importance of effective surveillance, experienced reviewers, and maintaining a healthy management system long after initial validation. Whether you're new to EVMS or have spent years working in the field, this episode provides valuable historical context, practical lessons, and thoughtful perspectives on where the discipline has been—and where it still has room to grow. Join us as we explore why, despite decades of progress, the challenges remain.

    Episode 26: Challenges Remain with Jim Henderson
  6. Jun 26

    Episode 25: Are You Ready to Baseline? with Kevin Jackameit

    When is a project truly ready to establish its Performance Measurement Baseline (PMB)? In this episode, Amber and Barbara welcome Kevin Jackameit, a seasoned EVM and independent review expert, to explore what it really means to be "ready to baseline"—and why that decision is about far more than simply finishing a schedule or cost estimate. Together, they unpack the fundamentals of a successful baseline, discussing the critical ingredients that must come together before a project is ready for measurement. Kevin shares lessons from nearly three decades of experience supporting federal acquisition programs, capital asset projects, and mega projects, explaining how work breakdown structures, schedules, cost estimates, risk, and technical planning must all align to create a meaningful foundation for project execution. The conversation also dives into the differences between Integrated Baseline Reviews (IBRs) and External Independent Reviews (EIRs), comparing how various federal agencies approach baseline approval, readiness, and oversight. Along the way, the discussion explores practical questions every project team faces: Should you begin collecting performance data before an IBR? Who ultimately decides a baseline is ready? And how do you balance the desire for a "perfect" baseline with the reality that projects inevitably evolve? Perhaps most importantly, Kevin explains why organizations should never fear change. A baseline is not a promise of perfection—it's the starting point for informed decision-making. The willingness to measure performance, identify issues early, and improve over time is what ultimately leads to successful project delivery. Whether you're preparing for your first baseline review or have participated in dozens of them, this episode offers practical insights into one of the most important—and often misunderstood—milestones in Earned Value Management. Join the conversation as we explore what it really takes to build a baseline that's ready to guide project success.

    Episode 25: Are You Ready to Baseline? with Kevin Jackameit
  7. Jun 18

    Episode 24: The Human Side of EVM with Dave Kester

    Why do some Earned Value Management (EVM) systems succeed while others struggle—even when both are technically compliant? In this episode, Amber and Barbara welcome back recurring guest Dave Kester to explore the often-overlooked human side of EVM and why leadership, culture, trust, and organizational behavior can make or break program success. There is a survey associated with this podcast - take the survey here! https://www.menti.com/al6683o1a3t3 Together, they examine the difference between compliance and effectiveness, asking whether EVM is truly being used to drive better decisions or simply to document problems after they occur. The conversation explores how leadership influences transparency, how organizational culture shapes reporting behaviors, and why creating an environment where people can surface bad news is essential for successful program management. The discussion also revisits the historic A-12 Avenger II program, not simply as a technical failure, but as a powerful example of how optimism bias, communication, and organizational culture can influence outcomes. Dave shares insights from the development of the IP2M METRR framework and explains why evaluating a program's environment may be just as important as evaluating its management system. Whether you're an executive, project manager, CAM, scheduler, analyst, or simply interested in improving project performance, this episode offers a thought-provoking perspective on the people behind the processes—and why the future of EVM depends as much on human behavior as it does on data. Join the conversation as we explore the human side of EVM and what it takes to build environments where better decisions—and better outcomes—can thrive.

    Episode 24: The Human Side of EVM with Dave Kester
  8. Jun 12

    Episode 23: State of the Podcast

    Episode 23: State of the Podcast In this special episode of Let’s Talk EVM, hosts Amber Young and Barbara Phillips step away from their usual guest interviews to reflect on the journey of the podcast itself. What began as an idea over dinner and a shared passion for the Earned Value Management community has grown into more than twenty episodes, a thriving professional network, and conversations reaching listeners far beyond the hosts’ immediate circles. Centered on gratitude, this episode offers a candid look behind the microphone as Amber and Barbara discuss the origins of the podcast, memorable moments from the first season, lessons learned along the way, and the incredible support they have received from guests, listeners, and the broader project controls community. The conversation revisits some of the themes that have shaped the show—from the value of insight and transparency in project management to the importance of constructive challenge, professional growth, and meaningful collaboration. Along the way, the hosts reflect on standout discussions, the evolution of the podcast’s mission, and why so many passionate professionals continue to dedicate themselves to advancing the practice of EVM. Listeners will also get a behind-the-scenes glimpse into how the podcast operates, including the recording cadence, upcoming guest lineup, community engagement efforts, plans for future events, expansion into new platforms, and ideas already taking shape for Season Two. Most importantly, this episode is a celebration of the people who make the community what it is. From industry thought leaders and first-time guests to loyal listeners and LinkedIn contributors, Amber and Barbara share their appreciation for everyone who has helped make Let’s Talk EVM more than just a podcast—it has become a place where conversations continue, ideas are exchanged, and the community comes together. Part reflection, part gratitude, and part look ahead, State of the Podcast is a chance to pause, celebrate the journey so far, and look forward to what comes next for Let’s Talk EVM.

    Episode 23: State of the Podcast

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A public service podcast to engage with the Earned Value Management (EVM) community