Margs & Manuscripts

Cait & Jenna

The book world is bigger than any one corner of it. Margs & Manuscripts brings it all together — writers, authors, agents, editors, bookstore owners, and readers — for real, unfiltered conversation about writing, publishing, and the reading life. Hosted by Cait and Jenna, two writer friends who pour a drink and let the conversation flow.

  1. 6d ago

    The Case for the 58-Year-Old Protagonist | with Kathy Sherbrooke

    What happens when the story you need to tell won't let you write it until you're ready? This week Jenna and Cait sit down with Kathy Sherbrooke (Katherine A. Sherbrooke), author of the new novel This Much Is True, out September 17th. It's a conversation about elapsed time, trusting your subconscious, and making the case for protagonists who have some real life experience behind them. Kathy first had the premise for This Much Is True more than a decade ago, then set it down twice to write two works of historical fiction before she finally found her way through it. We get into why that ten-year wait made the book better, what it means to write a woman reckoning at 58 with something that happened 40 years earlier, and her craft choice to tell one timeline in first person and the other in close third. We also talk about GrubStreet, the Boston writing center Kathy chaired for a decade, and why community is the thing that turns one novel into four. Plus the writing-as-channeling conversation, a little Big Magic, the trouble with the "women's fiction" label, and why this is a book Kathy hopes men will read too. In this episode: The value of elapsed time and letting an idea percolate instead of chasing a word countWriting an older protagonist with real history, and why that felt so refreshingFirst person vs. close third, and how point of view shapes distanceGrubStreet, writing groups, and the case for communityHistorical fiction rooted in real women, from Lucy Stone to a 1940s Hollywood runway modelGetting past the "women's fiction" shelf and inviting everyone into the conversationAbout the book: On her 58th birthday, veterinarian Veronica Harmon has a full life and a newly engaged daughter, until a face from her past reappears as her daughter's future father-in-law and forces a decades-old reckoning. This Much Is True is a story about survivorship, shame, and the choices that are ours to make. Content note: this episode and the book touch on sexual assault. Kathy's other books: Leaving Coy's Hill, Fill the Sky, and The Hidden Life of Aster Kelly. Book launch: Thursday, September 17th at 6:00 PM at GrubStreet in Boston's Seaport. Books featured on this podcast are sometimes provided free by publishers or authors.

    The Case for the 58-Year-Old Protagonist | with Kathy Sherbrooke
  2. Sep 11

    Devouring the Fourth Wing Cookbook with Author Chelsea Cole

    Episode Summary What happens when a sous vide nerd falls hard for a war college full of dragons? You get a cookbook. This week we sit down with Chelsea Cole, the mind behind A Guide to the Kitchen Quadrant, the (unofficial) Fourth Wing cookbook that is embossed, spot glossed, and frankly prettier than most things in our houses. We get into how you build a recipe out of four passing food mentions, why aesthetic is the entire point, and how she turns a book launch into a full night at Basgiath (axe throwing, a maker's market, and a marketplace throne included). Come hungry. Leave manifesting Rebecca Yarros's phone number. In This Episode How a cookbook actually gets made, from 30 recipe testers to chapter intros to dragon scale cover texturesWriting recipes when the source material only mentions food four timesPicking a whole flavor world (hello, Southern European Navarre) to make a fan cookbook feel cohesiveFan lore as an ingredient: Jesinia's margin notes, Segale's chardonnay, Broccoli the kittenTurning launches into immersive events that actually sell outThe working author-parent reality: 5am writing, meal planning a month at a time, and treating it like a business, not a hobbyWhy fan-first beats source-accurate every time (the rabbit stew is beef, sorry)About Chelsea Cole Chelsea Cole is a cookbook author, food blogger, and photographer who has been running her sous vide site A Duck's Oven for over a decade. She wrote Everyday Sous Vide and Sous Vide Meal Prep, and she teaches other writers how to make cookbooks through her course, The Cookbook Lab. A devoted Sarah J. Maas and Rebecca Yarros fan, she has turned her fandoms into a growing shelf of unofficial fan cookbooks, the newest being A Guide to the Kitchen Quadrant, a 60-recipe tribute to the Empyrean series (Fourth Wing, Iron Flame, and Onyx Storm) from Simon & Schuster. She lives outside Portland, Oregon, where she develops recipes before sunrise and raises two very small humans. Links Get A Guide to the Kitchen Quadrant: https://a.co/d/0byRi0KaChelsea on Instagram: @chel.seacoleA Duck's Oven: aducksoven.comThe makers from Chelsea's launch market (ceramics, embroidery, hand-forged daggers, and more):  @brujos_brewing @elviejonpdx @domestic_science @saltandstemware @stephiepredmore @faithhead99 @lindsaystranniganFollow Along Loved this one? Send it to the friend whose TBR is 90% romantasy. Then do us a favor and follow Margs & Manuscripts on Apple Podcasts and leave a review. It genuinely moves the needle on who finds the show. Website: margsandmanuscripts.comInstagram: @margsandmanuscriptsBooks featured on this podcast are sometimes provided free by publishers or authors. Keywords Fourth Wing cookbook, Chelsea Cole, A Guide to the Kitchen Quadrant, Rebecca Yarros, The Empyrean, Iron Flame, Onyx Storm, Basgiath, romantasy, fan cookbook, unofficial cookbook, cookbook author, cookbook writing, sous vide, book launch, self-publishing, indie author, bookish podcast, books and writing podcast, A Court of Thorns and Roses

    Devouring the Fourth Wing Cookbook with Author Chelsea Cole
  3. Sep 8

    Died on Sub, Reborn on Substack | Elizabeth Richardson

    What happens when your book dies on submission? For author Elizabeth Richardson, the answer turned into one of the best decisions she's ever made. This week we dig into her viral serialization of Trad, the novel she serialized on Substack after it didn't sell, and how she built an audience of 800+ subscribers in a single summer. We get into the highs and lows of querying and going on sub, why toxic positivity runs rampant in publishing, and how the "no rules anymore" era of indie publishing is opening doors that used to be firmly shut. Elizabeth also shares her surprisingly simple serialization strategy (hint: it started with fanfiction), why she treats every release like a debut, and the hustle behind getting yourself heard. Whether you're querying, on sub, or just Substack-curious, this one's for you. In this episode: Why Elizabeth dragged her feet on Substack, then went all inWhat it really feels like when a book dies on subCelebrating the wins without the toxic positivityThe fanfiction-inspired cadence that built her audienceWhy not every book (or genre) is right for SubstackSerialization, tension, and the "Netflix binge" model for booksTreating your release like a debut, and pitching like you mean itThe Trad pitch: a woman named Hannah pretends to be a trad wife online, goes viral, and unravels her life one bad decision at a time. Subscribe to Trad and catch up before the final chapter drops. Follow Elizabeth: https://substack.com/@elizabethrichardsonbooks  Follow Margs & Manuscripts: @margsandmanuscripts This episode is brought to you by: Andrew Loftesnes' book The Emperor's Cabin Buy on amazon or wherever books are sold: https://a.co/d/0gXUhiSu

    Died on Sub, Reborn on Substack | Elizabeth Richardson
  4. Aug 27 ·  Bonus

    In the Lime Light with E.L. Kaltenberg

    This week on the Limelight, debut author Emily joins Jenna and Cait to talk about her first novel, The Care and Feeding of Dead Mothers. A disgraced author named Margot Hale flees Manhattan for the Wisconsin Northwoods after fraudulent accusations blow up her career, and five years later she is a recluse trying to piece her writing life back together when her estranged, shapeshifting sister comes crawling back into the picture. It is dark, it is twisty, and the buried trauma does not stay buried. We get into Emily's very Wisconsin murder research, her writing-coach-guided path to indie publishing, and the wildly ambitious meta-project she has planned for the world of Margot Hale. Margot's career is unraveling. So is her mind. If you love Sharp Objects and anything by Alice Feeney, this one is for you. In this episode: (00:00) Meet Margot Hale and the premise behind Dead Mothers(03:00) Where the story came from, and how Emily's husband Michael talks her through plot logic(04:40) The research rabbit hole: augers, flowages, and the best time of year to drown a body in Wisconsin(10:00) How the book actually came together during pregnancy(11:00) The publishing journey and finding the right writing coach(16:15) Comp titles and read-alikes(20:50) Launch details, personalized book boxes, and supporting indie authors(23:40) Book two, and the Stephen King style twist of bringing Margot Hale to life as a real author(29:00) Wrapping upIf you liked these, you'll like Dead Mothers: You Killed Me First by John MarrsListen for the Lie by Amy TinteraOne of Us Knows by Alyssa ColeHis & Hers by Alice FeeneyWe Were Liars by E. LockhartSharp Objects by Gillian FlynnAnything by Lucy Foley or Alice FeeneyGet the book: Launch week runs August 24 through 30, with a 99-cent ebook deal. Find it on Amazon, or order a personalized signed copy with book box extras directly from Emily's website. Local to Sun Prairie? Grab it at Prairie Pages. Buy on Amazon: https://a.co/d/057SNwdYOrder direct from Emily: https://elkaltenbergwrites.com/Find Emily: Website: https://elkaltenbergwrites.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/writing_kaltenberg

    In the Lime Light with E.L. Kaltenberg
  5. Aug 25

    An Irish Matchmaking Festival, Some Magic, and a Rom-Com | Kat Mackenzie

    This week we're joined by travel rom-com author Kat Mackenzie to talk about her latest release, Experiments in Offline Dating (Avon), out today. Set in County Clare, Ireland, the book is built around a real-life Irish matchmaking festival, and Kat did the research the only way she knows how: she went. She lived in Galway, traveled all over Ireland, went to the actual festival in Lisdoonvarna, and signed up with a real third-generation matchmaker, Willie Daly, complete with his generations-old leather-bound book of dating magic. We get into all of it: why every pub, shop, and plate of fish and chips in the book is a place Kat has actually been, how she nailed the Irish dialect, her Cajun life in Louisiana with six rescue dogs, and the baby lamb author photo she refuses to give up. Then the conversation turns to the honest stuff, Kat's winding path from indie to a trad deal with Avon, why traditional publishing keeps so many secrets, and the real differences between going indie and going trad. Also, Kat believes her true literary legacy is the perfectly crafted insult. After this episode, we're inclined to agree. Plus: our brand-new segment, The Book Break, kicks off with Liar Liar by Lucy Lee, a steamy fake-dating rom-com you'll want on your TBR. Pour a margarita or a Guinness and settle in. In this episode: Six rescue dogs, wildlife rehab, and the baby lamb that started it allThe real Irish matchmaking festival in County ClareMeeting world-famous matchmaker Willie DalyWriting authentic Irish dialect (and one very memorable curse word)The art of the insultKat's journey from indie to a trad deal with AvonTrad vs indie publishing: control, transparency, and why trad keeps secretsLinks: Grab Experiments in Offline Dating by Kat MackenzieFollow Kat on InstagramSubscribe to our Substack and e-newsletterLoved the episode? Follow us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. It's the easiest way to support the show. This episode's book break: Liar, Liar by Lucy Lee, a steamy fake-dating debut romance from a Florida sister duo. Broke, jobless, and accidentally the winner of a $100k love-story contest, Lena talks her favorite banter buddy into fake-dating her to claim the prize. Fake dating, forced proximity, secret pining, roughly three chili peppers. Content notes for mental health, food insecurity, and references to abuse and loss. Grab it: https://books2read.com/u/mVEQg2 Margs & Manuscripts is hosted by Jenna G. Judith and Cait Waynelovich.

    An Irish Matchmaking Festival, Some Magic, and a Rom-Com | Kat Mackenzie
  6. Aug 20 ·  Bonus

    In the Lime Light with Marissa Malson

    Some people dream of writing a book their whole lives. Marissa Malson wrote her first three chapters in her phone's Notes app after a yoga class and never looked back. This week we sit down with the author behind the cozy-adjacent Average Jane PI series to talk about writing on instinct, building an author business from scratch, and why indie publishing is so much more than finishing the manuscript. Marissa's debut, The Not So Average Life of Average Jane, introduced Jane Smith, a private investigator whose greatest asset is being completely forgettable. Book two, The Consultants, is out now and sends Jane and her team to Spain to crack a cold case. Think Ocean's Eleven meets Janet Evanovich's Stephanie Plum, with a mostly female cast and a whole lot of twists. In this episode: How a book she never planned to write became a series (with a third now in progress)Starting Just A Good Book Publishing with her cover-designer sister, NicolleWhat she wishes she'd known before her first launch, from finding editors to building an ARC teamWhy author events and curated markets became her secret weapon (101 books sold in a single day)Free writing vs. plotting, and where her best ideas actually strikeThe bonus wine pairings, recipes, and book club kits she builds for every bookAbout Marissa: Marissa Malson is a marketer turned mystery author and the owner of Just A Good Book Publishing, where she helps indie authors learn to self-publish and market their work. She also writes the Plot Twist newsletter on Substack, sharing practical marketing ideas for authors. Find Marissa: Instagram: @marissamalsonauthorWebsite: justagoodbook.comSubstack: Plot Twist https://substack.com/@marissamalson Books: The Not So Average Life of Average Jane and The ConsultantsBooks featured on the podcast are sometimes provided free by publishers or authors.

    In the Lime Light with Marissa Malson
  7. Aug 18

    "I'm the Magic Here": Cara Alwill on Girl Code, Pink Ink, and Never Waiting to Be Chosen

    Cait has been trying to get Cara Alwill in a room with us for ages, and she finally said yes. This one is a masterclass in building your own universe instead of waiting for one of the Big Five to hand you a key. Cara is the 10-book author behind Girl Code, the founder of Pink Ink Press, and the host of Cara Says It All. She started blogging into the void in 2008, wrote for MTV News for free at 5am before her day job, got rejected by 19 publishers, self-published anyway, sold close to 100,000 copies of Girl Code on her own, signed the Penguin Random House deal she'd always dreamed of, and then walked away from all of it to build something better. We get into the real math of a traditional book deal (spoiler: you pay the advance back, and then some), why "getting picked" is a trap, the ethics of writing memoir about people you actually dated, how literary salons are quietly changing publishing, and the moment that gave this episode its name. If you are an indie author, a memoirist, a Substack writer, or anyone sitting on a book you keep not writing, this is the pep talk and the reality check. What we get into: How one line in an email from author Marianna Pease sparked Pink Ink Press three days later. The MTV News origin story Cara says she's never told on a podcast (yes, she was in the pit at that VMAs). Why she started her Substack, House of Her, to hide in plain sight and write unhinged dating stories. The case for keeping 100% of your rights and 100% of your royalties. And how being seen means being willing to be misunderstood. Timestamps: 00:00 The intro that turned into a millennials-don't-wait TED talk 04:30 Finally meeting Cara + the law of attraction of cool people 06:40 Blogging into the void in 2008 (RIP The Champagne Diet) 07:20 The MTV years, writing for free, and a front-row seat to VMAs history 11:00 Blog to book, 19 rejections, and going indie 17:10 Literary salons and The Tortured Bloggers Department 19:55 The ethics of writing memoir about the men you dated 28:00 Visibility, personal brand, and learning to talk about your art 32:30 Handling the haters and letting go of people-pleasing 34:20 Book break: Liar, Liar by Lucy Lee 35:20 Pink Ink, the name she's had since 17, and Girl Code blowing up 36:10 The Penguin deal and why trad publishing broke her heart 40:50 Mentorship and what Pink Ink actually gives authors 42:40 Indie vs trad, and why you shouldn't give it all away to get "chosen" 50:40 "I'm the magic here" (put it on a sweatshirt) Find Cara: Substack (House of Her): caraalwill.substack.com Website + podcast (Cara Says It All): carasaysitall.com Pink Ink Press: her boutique publishing imprint for bold, feminine, rebellious storytelling Books: Girl Code, Like She Owns the Place, The Champagne Diet, and Don't Do Anything I Would Do Instagram: @caraalwill This episode's book break: Liar, Liar by Lucy Lee, a steamy fake-dating debut romance from a Florida sister duo. Broke, jobless, and accidentally the winner of a $100k love-story contest, Lena talks her favorite banter buddy into fake-dating her to claim the prize. Fake dating, forced proximity, secret pining, roughly three chili peppers. Content notes for mental health, food insecurity, and references to abuse and loss. Grab it: https://books2read.com/u/mVEQg2 Send this to the writer friend who keeps saying "someday" about their book. Books featured on this podcast are sometimes provided free by publishers or authors. #indieauthor #selfpublishing #writingcommunity #bookpodcast

    "I'm the Magic Here": Cara Alwill on Girl Code, Pink Ink, and Never Waiting to Be Chosen
  8. Aug 11

    This YA Debut Reads Like Her Tenth Book | Jasmine Smith

    Featured Guest: Jasmine Smith Jasmine Smith is the author of Death Card, a witchy YA fantasy set in New Orleans. A former English major with a love of women's and gender studies, Jasmine writes stories that put teen readers first while quietly threading in tarot, generational family bonds, and the politics of the world her characters actually live in. What does it take to sell a debut on just ten chapters? This week, we sit down with debut author Jasmine Smith to talk about Death Card, her New Orleans-set YA fantasy, and the three-year road from first chapters to release week. From writing on deadline for a book packager to bracing for a banned books list, Jasmine shares an honest look at what it means to build a home in a genre she loves. Jasmine Smith didn't set out to write Death Card. The idea came from a book packager, and she had to earn it with a writing sample and the first ten chapters. In this episode, Jasmine joins Jenna and Cait to talk about how that proposal sold to editors, why the finished book reads nothing like a first novel, and how tarot, gentrification, and a grandmother's love all found their way onto the page. The conversation covers the difference between IP and work-for-hire, why her YA contemporary "book of her heart" stalled while Death Card flew, and where she thinks the genre is headed. For writers, this episode is a candid look at deadlines, developmental edits, and what it actually takes to keep a complex timeline from falling apart. For readers, it's a behind-the-scenes tour of a debut with gold foil, sprayed edges, and a whole lot to say. In This Episode How Death Card sold on proposal, based on only the first ten chaptersWhat writing IP really means, and how it differs from a flat-fee dealWhy her YA contemporary novel stalled on submission while Death Card soldWriting the full manuscript in three months, then three rounds of developmental editsThe New Orleans-rooted mother and grandmother relationships at the story's heartWhy she writes for teens first, and where she thinks YA is goingTarot, spooky season, and reading for the vibesThe cover reveal: Helena Elias, Caitlin Yang, gold foil, and a surprise sprayed-edges emailWhy paperback-first releases are becoming the norm in YABracing for a banned books list, and the AI-inspired idea already in her notes app The Book Death Card by Jasmine Smith In this witchy YA fantasy set in New Orleans, a young practicing witch navigates tarot, demons, and a city being reshaped by tourism and gentrification, all while confronting loss, love, and the female generational bonds that hold her family together. Grounded, current, and unafraid of its own politics, Death Card announces a debut voice that reads like anything but a first book. Out now in paperback. Audiobook narrated by Andia Winslow.

    This YA Debut Reads Like Her Tenth Book | Jasmine Smith
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The book world is bigger than any one corner of it. Margs & Manuscripts brings it all together — writers, authors, agents, editors, bookstore owners, and readers — for real, unfiltered conversation about writing, publishing, and the reading life. Hosted by Cait and Jenna, two writer friends who pour a drink and let the conversation flow.

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