NatSec EmTech

Laura K. Donohue

Where Innovation meets Intelligence. Every episode is a journey to the unseen, unimagined places, from Space race 2.0, AI dilemmas, crypto crackdowns, bioengineering breakthroughs to strange new weapons you’ve never heard of. Join me as I bring together experts, insiders, and surprising voices to help you understand the technologies shaping the world we all are about to live in. 🎧 Listen now on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. 💡Want more - Join the Club @ https://nationalsecurity.law.georgetown.edu/natsec-technology/ and help shape the world!

Episodes

  1. Jun 11

    Disarmament in Deep Space: Preventing the Next Arms Race with Almudena Azcárate Ortega

    As humanity's presence in space expands, so do the questions surrounding security, responsibility, and the future of international law. Is outer space still a peaceful domain, or has the weaponization of space already begun? In this episode of NatSec EmTech's Space Law series, Professor Laura K. Donohue sits down with Almudena Azcárate Ortega, Senior Program Analyst at Secure World Foundation and former fellow at the United Nations Institute for Disarmament Research (UNIDR). Together, they explore the evolving reality of weaponization of outer space. While international treaties prohibit certain activities in space, there are still incidents of populating space with weapons including potential repurposing of a benign device into something that could be used to harm. As more nations and private actors enter the space domain, where should the line be drawn between peaceful use and hostile action? What happens when current capabilities such as direct descent, jamming, spoofing, or cyber operations, blur this distinction?  The conversation also revisits the Reagan Administration's Strategic Defense Initiative, better known as "Star Wars" and examines how a vision once associated with science fiction continues to shape contemporary debates about missile defense, space security, and strategic deterrence. Beyond conflict in orbit, we discuss a challenge that receives far less attention: what comes back down. Space launch vehicles do not always remain in space, and the risks created by falling rocket stages and debris are not shared equally. Why do the consequences of reentry often fall disproportionately on nations and communities far removed from the benefits of space activity? And who bears responsibility when objects launched into space return to Earth in unexpected places? From nuclear weapons in orbit to the growing militarization of space infrastructure, this episode examines how existing legal frameworks confront the realities of an increasingly contested space environment. Join us as we explore the legal, political, and strategic challenges shaping the future of security in outer space. Disclaimer: Almudena Azcárate Ortega is no longer affiliated with UNIDR. The views expressed in this podcast are solely those of the guest and should not, under any circumstances, be attributed to UNIDR, Secure World Foundation, NatSec EmTech, the Center on National Security, or Georgetown Law.

    40 min

  2. May 28

    Hypersonic Horizon: Space Law 201 with Col. Todd Pennington, U.S. Air Force, Retired, (former) Staff Judge Advocate USSPACECOM

    As we move toward Space Law 201, Host Prof. Laura K. Donohue (Director, Georgetown Center for National Security) and Col. Todd Pennington, USAF (Ret.) explore the international principles shaping outer space and the power politics behind them. The episode examines the principle of the “free use and exploration of outer space” and what this freedom actually entails. It also explores the principle of international responsibility and traces its origins to Cold War strategic stability, when the United States and the Soviet Union were not only competing for technological dominance, but negotiating the very rules that would govern the cosmos. This conversation is not confined to history alone. It's also about what is coming next. With the New START Treaty expiring earlier this year, the episode explores what the collapse of the last remaining bilateral nuclear arms treaty between the United States and Russia could mean for strategic stability, weapons in space, and the future of international security, and what role countries like India, Japan and China are playing in this space. The discussion also turns to one of the most urgent modern challenges in outer space: orbital debris. Thousands of objects now orbit the Earth including fragments of satellites, abandoned missions, and remnants of decades-old operations which raises questions regarding liability for damage. The key question, however, is if international law can keep pace with an increasingly crowded and contested space environment. This episode explores the legal foundations, strategic tensions, and emerging challenges at the heart of modern space governance. And much more. Want to be part of this conversation? Join the Center on National Security and follow us on LinkedIn, Twitter, and Instagram for updates.

    27 min

  3. May 14

    Beyond the Kármán Line with Ms. Sarah Banco, Former Senior Director of Legal Corporate at SpaceX

    Professor Laura K. Donohue with Ms. Sarah Banco, Former Senior Director of Legal Corporate at SpaceX As commercial actors rapidly expand humanity’s presence beyond Earth, one critical question emerges: who governs space? In this episode of NatSec EmTech, Prof. Laura K. Donohue sits down with Sarah Banco, formerly of SpaceX, to unpack the evolving legal, geopolitical, and technological landscape of commercial space exploration. From the Outer Space Treaty and the Rescue and Return Agreement to questions of sovereign liability and private-sector accountability, this conversation explores the legal frameworks shaping the future of space operations. Are commercial entities like SpaceX bound by international law in the same way as nation-states? If a foreign actor attacks a commercial spacecraft, could it be treated as an attack on the United States? Conversely, can states be held responsible for the actions of private space companies operating under their jurisdiction? The discussion also examines the deeper implications of humanity becoming a multi-planetary species. Could commercial expansion into space raise concerns about sovereignty and non-appropriation? Is the rise of private space companies comparable to any historical entities? Beyond law and geopolitics, the episode dives into the engineering realities of reusable launch systems, in-space refueling, and the practical challenges of sustaining long-term space exploration. Why is Mars the ultimate destination for SpaceX? Why not the Moon? And what lies ahead in the quest to make life multi-planetary? Join us for a fascinating conversation at the intersection of national security, emerging technology, international law, and the future of humanity in space. Disclaimer: Sarah Banco is no longer associated with SpaceX. The views expressed in this podcast are solely the personal views of the guest and should not, under any circumstances, be attributed to SpaceX or NatSec EmTech.

    40 min

  4. Apr 30

    Jurisprudence in Zero G: Space Law 101 with Col. Todd Pennington, U.S. Air Force, Ret., (former) Staff Judge Advocate USSPACECOM

    What if the future of space isn’t driven by innovation but by 60-year-old treaties, fragmented regulatory regimes, and a legal vacuum no one’s rushing to fill?   As commercial space activity accelerates and geopolitical stakes rise, the question is no longer whether space law matters but whether it’s ready for what’s coming next?  In this episode, Colonel Todd Pennington (USAF, Ret.) breaks down the foundations of space law from ownership and sovereignty to liability, regulation, and the growing role of private actors. As commercial expansion accelerates and geopolitical competition intensifies, legacy frameworks are being pushed far beyond what their drafters ever envisioned.   Here's a guided walkthrough of the episode:   [01:44] Ad Coelum and the origins:  Who really “owns” space, and how early legal thinking continue to shape today’s debates   [05:21] The Outer Space Treaty (1967): While International law guarantees freedom of exploration coupled with state responsibility, are there any hidden underlying asymmetries?    [10:33] Rescue & Return Agreement (1968): What happens when astronauts or space objects land in foreign territory? Are the rules same for other state objects too?    [12:28] Liability Convention (1972): Who pays when satellites collide or cause damage? Is this liability fault- based or absolute?  And can private companies negotiate on their own?   [16:19] Registration convention 1976: States must provide information about each space object they place in outer space, but is there real global transparency and why it matters?    [17:36] The Moon Agreement, 1984: The Moon as the “common heritage of the mankind”. But why did the Agreement fail?   [20:09] Bogota Declaration, 1976: Can Equatorial countries’ claim segments of geostationary orbit above their land?    [22:28] LEO, MEO, GEO and Beyond: How do satellite congestion and the strategic importance of Lagrange points position orbital space as the next geopolitical frontier?   And much more…   Follow us on: LinkedIn | Twitter | Instagram   Join the Center for National Security Club and be part of the conversation shaping tomorrow’s national security landscape.

    32 min

  5. Apr 16

    Space, Sovereignty, and the Private Frontier: A Conversation with Tom McSorley, General Counsel, NATO DIANA | Formerly Space X

    Space is no longer the exclusive domain of the public sector. Commercial actors are driving innovation at an unprecedented pace, reshaping how space is accessed, built, and governed. As private capabilities expand, governments increasingly rely on commercial partnerships to secure the technologies and infrastructure essential to national security and strategic advantage. But what does that reliance mean? Does it make governments responsible for the actions of private actors in space? Are we regulating a rapidly evolving frontier with legacy domestic laws? Is space law merely an ancillary extension of existing authorities or does it require a fundamental rethinking? And if nations cannot align internally on regulatory frameworks, how can they coordinate effectively on the international stage? In this conversation, Tom McSorley, currently General Counsel at the NATO Defence Innovation Accelerator for the North Atlantic (DIANA), and formerly with SpaceX unpacks the tension between innovation and regulation, sovereignty and partnership, ambition and restraint. We examine the biggest regulatory inhibitors facing the United States, explore what the space ecosystem could look like 15 years from now, and wonder whether point-to-point travel through space across Earth’s surface is closer than we think? Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are the personal views of the guest and shall in no circumstances be attributed to NATO, DIANA, or NatSec EmTech.

    42 min

  6. Season 1 Trailer

    NatSec EmTech Trailer

    The future of national security is no longer on land, it’s in code, labs, and orbit. Georgetown University’s Center for National Security is proud to launch NatSec–EmTech, a  podcast hosted by Professor Laura Donohue, exploring the world of AI, VR, space, cryptocurrency, biomanipulation and more. Excited? Join us on April 16  for our debut season on Space Law because it is not science fiction, it is National security.

    2 min

Trailer

Ratings & Reviews

5
out of 5
2 Ratings

About

Where Innovation meets Intelligence. Every episode is a journey to the unseen, unimagined places, from Space race 2.0, AI dilemmas, crypto crackdowns, bioengineering breakthroughs to strange new weapons you’ve never heard of. Join me as I bring together experts, insiders, and surprising voices to help you understand the technologies shaping the world we all are about to live in. 🎧 Listen now on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts. 💡Want more - Join the Club @ https://nationalsecurity.law.georgetown.edu/natsec-technology/ and help shape the world!

Information

  • Creator
    Laura K. Donohue
  • Years Active
    2K
  • Episodes
    6
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Laura K. Donohue
  • Show Website
    NatSec EmTech

You Might Also Like