Our Public Lands

Adam Bronstein
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A podcast about our beloved and treasured public lands where I interview subject matter experts and activists from across the country who are working to protect and advocate for our public lands and their wildlife, wilderness, and cultural values. ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com

  1. 4D AGO

    #63 - Livestock Industry Meddling in Sage Grouse Science

    In this episode, I interview Boone Kauffman, retired professor from Oregon State University and lead scientist of Illahee Sciences International, and Erik Molvar, Executive Director of the Western Watersheds Project to discuss the decline of the greater sage grouse and their habitat. Boone and Erik examine the impacts of livestock grazing and land use on sage grouse, the political stonewalling behind listing the bird as an endangered species, and the integrity of scientific research around the bird, specifically naming the livestock industry and their influence on university and agency research. Our conversation highlights the need for political will and effective science-backed conservation strategies to restore sage grouse populations and the Sagebrush Sea. http://www.westernwatersheds.org/ 02:13 Introducing Erik Molvar and Boone Kauffman 05:42 Understanding the Greater Sage Grouse 09:09 Impact of Livestock Grazing on Sage Grouse 13:55 Sage Grouse Conservation Plans and Challenges 23:51 Scientific Integrity and Livestock Industry Influence 35:59 The Role of Research and Public Policy 59:19 Concluding Thoughts and Call to Action Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 3m
  2. #62 - The Gray Wolf: Myths, Misconceptions & Culture w/ Amaroq Weiss & Samantha Miller

    FEB 3

    #62 - The Gray Wolf: Myths, Misconceptions & Culture w/ Amaroq Weiss & Samantha Miller

    In this episode, I speak with Amaroq Weiss, Senior Wolf Advocate, and Samantha Miller, Senior Carnivore Campaigner, with the Center for Biological Diversity, where we explore the ongoing challenges of wolf recovery and conservation across the United States, while dispelling myths along the way. Our conversation delves into the political pressures causing cyclical removal and reinstatement of wolf protections under the Endangered Species Act and the implications of state management, emphasizing public advocacy’s impact. Cultural differences in wolf management between the U.S. and Europe are examined, dispelling myths about ‘Canadian super wolves’ and the role that hunters play in the culture wars and conservation efforts. Ethical dilemmas in trophy hunting, the impact of politicized hunting organizations, and the specific case of the Cody Roberts incident in Wyoming are discussed. We end the episode with updates on Colorado’s wolf reintroduction efforts, focusing on the resilience of the Copper Creek wolf family. 02:05 Challenges and Myths in Wolf Conservation 07:00 Political Pressures and Wolf Protections 16:51 The Role of the Endangered Species Act 29:25 Cultural Perspectives on Wolves 42:09 The Hunting Community and Carnivore Conservation 47:14 The Changing Dynamics of Wolf Reintroduction 47:54 Ethical Hunting and Public Perception 50:32 The Controversy of Wolf Hunting 54:00 The Cody Roberts Incident 56:15 Legal and Social Implications of Wolf Hunting 01:03:01 Debunking the Myth of the Canadian Super Wolf 01:11:48 Wolf Reintroduction Efforts in Colorado 01:21:50 Concluding Thoughts and Future Discussions Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 24m
  3. #61 - Save the Boundary Waters w/ Ingrid Lyons

    JAN 27

    #61 - Save the Boundary Waters w/ Ingrid Lyons

    Right now, the Boundary Waters is facing one of its most serious conservation threats in decades as efforts are underway to reverse a longstanding federal mining ban and open up lands in the Superior National Forest to copper-nickel sulfide mining. In January 2026, the U.S. House of Representatives voted to overturn a 20-year moratorium that had protected the headwaters flowing into the Boundary Waters from sulfide-ore mining—now headed to the Senate and potentially the President’s desk. Proponents argue mining would supply critical minerals like copper, nickel, and cobalt and create jobs, but environmental groups like Save the Boundary Waters warn that sulfide mining has a long track record of acid mine drainage and heavy-metal pollution that could irreversibly contaminate the region’s pristine lakes, rivers, and groundwater, devastating wildlife, recreation, and local economies built on clean water and wilderness tourism. In this episode, I speak with Ingrid Lyons, Executive Director of Save the Boundary Waters, about the historical, ecological, and economic significance of the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness in Minnesota. We explore the history of the Boundary Waters, the ecosystem and wildlife, the importance of outdoor recreation to the regional economy, and the ongoing battle against proposed copper mining operations. She shares insights into the impact of potential mining on this incredible ecosystem and the broader implications for public lands nationwide. https://www.savetheboundarywaters.org/call-senate-now The main Capitol switchboard number to reach the United States Congress is (202) 224-3121. This operator can connect you directly with any Senate or House office. 02:10 Current Threats to the Boundary Waters 05:04 History and Significance of the Boundary Waters 08:04 Ingrid’s Personal Connection to the Boundary Waters 13:35 Unique Features and Wildlife of the Boundary Waters 19:34 The Mining Threat: History and Impact 26:40 Economic Importance of the Boundary Waters 29:22 Economic Impact of Proposed Mining Project 30:53 History and Legal Background of Mining Claims 31:18 Mineral Withdrawal Process and Challenges 36:05 Congressional Actions and Implications 41:21 Potential Consequences and Public Response 49:57 Final Thoughts and Call to Action Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    58 min
  4. #60 - The Overlooked Ecological Costs of Pinyon-Juniper “Restoration” Treatments w/ Allison Jones

    JAN 21

    #60 - The Overlooked Ecological Costs of Pinyon-Juniper “Restoration” Treatments w/ Allison Jones

    In this episode, I interview Allison Jones, a seasoned conservation biologist with extensive experience in arid ecosystems—specifically the Colorado Plateau and Great Basin. We discuss a range of topics including juniper treatments, sage-grouse, pygmy rabbits, and the unique ecology of the Great Basin. Allison details her educational background, professional experiences, and contributions to wildlife and land management policy through roles in organizations like the Sageland Collaborative, the Wild Utah Project and here current employer, Conservation Science Partners. Our discussion covers the impacts of mechanical vegetation treatments on pinyon juniper ecosystems, the impacts from livestock grazing post treatments, and the challenges posed by invasive species like cheatgrass, post treatments. We also delve into controversial practices, effects on water resources, and the impacts to wildlife species. Do Mechanical Vegetation Treatments of Pinyon-Juniper and Sagebrush Communities Work? A Review of the Literature The Pygmy Rabbit 03:02 Allison’s Background and Career Journey 08:04 The Great Basin: A Unique Ecosystem 12:21 Pinyon and Juniper Forests: Ecology and Management 16:29 Controversial Practices and Wildlife Impact 27:24 Cheatgrass Dominance in Treatment Areas 28:48 Impact of Grazing on Cheatgrass Spread 29:55 Water Flow and Juniper Removal 33:56 Phases of Juniper Encroachment 37:10 Sage-Grouse Habitat and Treatment Effectiveness 41:54 The Pygmy Rabbit: Habitat and Conservation 45:25 Fire Cycles and Livestock Grazing Impact Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    51 min
  5. #59 - Bernard and Avis DeVoto: The Forgotten Fight to Save the Wild w/ Nate Schweber

    JAN 13

    #59 - Bernard and Avis DeVoto: The Forgotten Fight to Save the Wild w/ Nate Schweber

    In this episode of the podcast, I speak with author Nate Schweber about the life and activism of Bernard and Avis DeVoto. Nate is the author of ‘This America of Ours.’ He shares insights into DeVoto’s work as a journalist, historian, and public lands advocate. Our conversation delves into Bernard’s early years and the profound impact growing up in Utah had on his advocacy for public lands. We discuss Bernard’s journey into becoming a leading voice against the privatization of public lands during the 1940s and 1950s, including his pivotal role in exposing a major land grab plot orchestrated by powerful livestock interests and political figures like Senator Pat McCarran and Joseph McCarthy. Nate also discusses the enduring partnership between Bernard and his wife, Avis, highlighting her critical role in his work and her later collaboration with Julia Child. Nate underscores the ongoing relevance of the DeVoto’s fight for public lands in today’s political climate, drawing parallels between past and present challenges. The DeVoto Dry Martini 3.7 parts gin 1 part dry vermouth Mix in pitcher of ice or cocktail shakes Twist of lemon only (no olives! Bernard hated olives…) 01:29 Discussion on Bernard and Avis Devoto 04:05 Nate’s Background and Connection to the West 06:04 Early Memories and Love for Public Lands 10:52 Bernard Devoto’s Early Years and Activism 13:29 The 1946 Road Trip and Discovery of the Land Grab Plot 21:35 The Role of Livestock Industry and Pat McCarran 31:00 Modern Parallels and Ongoing Public Lands Issues 34:10 Public Lands and Privatization 34:55 Political Shifts in Public Lands 38:19 Bernard Devoto’s Activism 38:51 The Land Grab Plot Evolution 40:18 Devoto’s Fight Against Dams 43:41 Devoto’s Later Years and Legacy 54:15 The Devoto-Child Connection 01:02:53 Reflections on Public Lands Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 5m
  6. #58 - The Marbled Murrelet: An Old-Growth Forest Obligate Sea Bird

    JAN 6

    #58 - The Marbled Murrelet: An Old-Growth Forest Obligate Sea Bird

    In this episode, I share a presentation by avian ecologist Lindsay Adrian of the American Bird Conservancy from the 2025 Bird Alliance of Oregon Marbled Murrelet Survey event. Lindsay discusses the unique biology and conservation challenges of the marbled murrelet, a federally listed seabird that nests in old-growth forests along the Pacific Coast. The presentation highlights the impact of the Northwest Forest Plan on murrelet populations, ongoing threats to their habitat, and the effectiveness of survey methods. Lindsay also emphasizes the importance of public awareness and engagement, detailing the ‘Crumb Clean’ initiative designed to mitigate predator impacts on murrelet nests. Stay tuned for the 2026 Survey! 00:57 Presentation Overview: Marbled Murrelet 04:54 Life History and Habitat of Marbled Murrelet 14:37 Challenges and Conservation Efforts 35:06 Field Survey and Identification Tips. Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    42 min
  7. #57 - Wilderness, Inc: How Corporate & Libertarian Values Came to Dominate Public Lands Recreation w/ Scott Silver

    12/24/2025

    #57 - Wilderness, Inc: How Corporate & Libertarian Values Came to Dominate Public Lands Recreation w/ Scott Silver

    In this episode, I interview Scott Silver, about the transformation of outdoor recreation and its impact on wilderness preservation and “little w” wilderness values. The discussion explores the formation and mission of Wild Wilderness, an organization committed to protecting undeveloped recreation on public lands. We cover insights into the development of the 'Fee Demo' program, commercialization and privatization of public lands, the American Recreation Coalition, and corporate influence on recreational policies. Scott discusses transcendence through primitive recreation and highlights the threats posed by modern recreation trends and technologies. The impact of libertarian economics, the co-opting of environmental movements, and the decline of genuine conservation efforts are also examined. Our conversation concludes with reflections on the evolving role of wilderness in society and the broader implications for environmental conservation. A must read and one of my favorite books! Battle for the Wilderness by Michael Frome 03:09 The Rise of Motorized Recreation 07:43 Formation and Mission of Wild Wilderness 12:04 The Fee Demo Program and Its Implications 16:58 The Influence of the American Recreation Coalition 26:47 Battles Over Motorized Recreation 36:06 The Role of Wilderness Values in Recreation 45:39 Handmade Outdoor Gear 46:21 The Value of Primitive Recreation 46:48 Personal Connection to Nature 48:29 Transcendence Through Wilderness 52:17 The Impact of Fees on Outdoor Recreation 01:01:28 The Future of Wilderness Access? 01:16:20 The War on Climate Change Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 24m
  8. #56 - Billionaire Ranchers, Political Interference, and Public Lands: An Investigative Series w/ Jimmy Tobias & Mark Olalde

    12/16/2025

    #56 - Billionaire Ranchers, Political Interference, and Public Lands: An Investigative Series w/ Jimmy Tobias & Mark Olalde

    In this episode, I interview Jimmy Tobias and Mark Olalde about their investigative series on public lands grazing featured in High Country News and ProPublica. They discuss their research methods, findings on political influence, economic implications, subsidies, and environmental impacts of grazing. Our conversation also covers billionaire and other high-profile ranchers such as large mining companies, as well as federal initiatives to boost the federal grazing program on public lands. 04:23 Guest Introductions 06:33 The Genesis of the Grazing Investigation 08:13 Economic and Political Influence in Public Lands Grazing 11:31 High-Profile Ranchers and Mining Companies 18:30 Federal Employees and Permit Violations 20:25 USDA’s Plan and the Reality of Public Lands Grazing 24:34 Food Security and Federal Public Lands Ranching 25:31 Land Health Assessments and Environmental Reviews 26:36 Perspectives on Grazing Permits and Flexibility 29:48 Economic and Political Influences on Public Lands Ranching 35:57 Field Observations and Ecological Impacts Mark’s ProPublica Author Page https://www.propublica.org/article/grazing-environment-public-lands-oversight https://www.propublica.org/article/grazing-environment-public-lands-oversight https://www.propublica.org/article/grazing-ranchers-public-lands-trump Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    52 min
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A podcast about our beloved and treasured public lands where I interview subject matter experts and activists from across the country who are working to protect and advocate for our public lands and their wildlife, wilderness, and cultural values. ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com

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  • Creator
    Adam Bronstein
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    63
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Our Public Lands Podcast
  • Show Website
    Our Public Lands

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