Our Public Lands

Adam Bronstein

A podcast about our beloved and treasured public lands where I interview subject matter experts and activists from across the country who are working to protect and advocate for our public lands and their wildlife, wilderness, and cultural values. ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com

  1. 5d ago

    My Trip to a Roadless Forest

    Roadless Areas contain some of my favorite places on our National Forest lands. Some of your favorites spots are probably in Roadless Areas as well. Unlike wilderness areas, there are no wooden signs you pass or lines crossed on the map. These invisible boundaries are often traversed without us knowing. Please read on for some useful links and information. And how you can submit your comments to USDA on the Roadless Rule rescission. Despite the rhetoric that you hear from national and state big green NGOs, Roadless Areas should not be considered as “protected lands.” Extraction like logging and livestock grazing are occurring in Roadless Areas right now. The information below was discussed in the video for your reference: Early government surveys found that ponderosa forests were 17x denser than claimed. And mixed conifer forests are 4x denser. Baker et al. 2023 A comprehensive analysis of 1,500 wildfires in the west found they burned slower and less intensely in protected areas. Bradley et al. 2016 34% of “fuels reduction logging” occurs in Inventoried Roadless Areas according to Healey 2020. This tradeoff (better firefighting, more human-caused fires) partially explains why the presence of roads is relatively neutral with respect to the long term occurrence of fire in national forests. Management records also indicated that a lack of roads did not prevent fuel reduction efforts in IRAs between 2001 and 2019. IRAs contain approximately 21% of the total tree cover across NFS (Homer et al 2015); those areas accounted for 34% of the total fuel treatment activities and 8% of the total area treated (USDA 2019a). A lack of roads in IRAs has not implied passive fire risk management. The Northern Rockies Ecosystem Protection Act would designate 23 million acres of Inventoried Roadless Areas as new wilderness in OR, WA, ID, MT, and WY. Submit your comment here for the Roadless Rule rescission here → http://www.Roadless.org Some talking points to consider: * I oppose the Forest Service’s proposal to rescind the 2001 Roadless Area Conservation Rule. * The Forest Service should strengthen the Roadless Rule, not eliminate it. The current rule provides essential protections but still permits damaging activities in Inventoried Roadless Areas. * Rescission would remove national protections from approximately 45 million acres of National Forest lands, exposing intact wildlife habitat and watersheds to additional logging, grazing-related roads, mining, and fragmentation. * Research examining 1,500 fires shows that protected (unroaded) forests burn at lower intensity and have lower rates of fire spread when controlled for weather conditions. Roads can increase human-caused fire ignitions and spread invasive plants. * The Forest Service should close loopholes that permit logging and the construction of so-called “temporary roads” in roadless areas. Temporary roads can cause lasting harm to wildlife habitat, soils, and watersheds. * The 2001 Roadless Rule does not address livestock-grazing impacts, and grazing has continued uninterrupted in Inventoried Roadless Areas. A mapping analysis estimates that between 10 million and 15 million acres of these lands are actively grazed by domestic livestock each year. Livestock can damage streams and springs, remove riparian vegetation, compact soils, spread invasive plants, and displace native wildlife. New road construction would enable harmful livestock grazing to expand. * The Forest Service should prioritize voluntary grazing-permit retirement within roadless areas and close vacant allotments and allotments where grazing conflicts with roadless-area values. * The existing rule does not prohibit hardrock mining claims under the General Mining Law of 1872, and mineral leasing can continue. USDA should ask the Secretary of the Interior to withdraw Inventoried Roadless Areas from mineral entry under section 204 of the Federal Land Policy and Management Act, subject to valid existing rights. The Forest Service should also prohibit new mineral leasing within these lands.More than 9,000 miles of mapped motorized trails cross roadless areas.. Motorized use can compact soils, spread invasive species, disturb wildlife, fragment secure habitat, and increase human-caused wildfire risk. Inventoried Roadless Areas should be nonmotorized by default, with narrow exceptions for valid existing rights, necessary administrative access, and emergencies. * The Forest Service should withdraw the proposed rescission and adopt a stronger national rule that protects roadless lands from commercial logging, unnecessary roads, damaging grazing, new mineral development, and harmful motorized use. Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  2. Aug 27

    #86 - The Livestock-Cheatgrass Nexus w/ Erik Molvar

    In this episode, I interview Erik Molvar, executive director of Western Watersheds Project to talk about cheatgrass, an annual invasive grass taking over large areas of the America West. Cheatgrass is an invasive Eurasian annual that arrived in contaminated crop seed and spread through the West via rail corridors and especially through cattle and sheep, whose fur carries its spiny seeds. Erik argues cheatgrass establishes where perennial bunchgrasses have been knocked back by disturbance—particularly chronic livestock grazing—rejecting claims that it is primarily a fire-driven phenomenon, citing fires in ungrazed areas that recovered with native bunchgrasses rather than cheatgrass. Erik describes how cheatgrass grows briefly in spring, then dies into highly flammable fine fuel that enables large rangeland fires, kills sagebrush, and can lock landscapes into cheatgrass monocultures with fire-return intervals now around 30–40 years in invaded areas. He outlines identification tips, notes other invasive annual grasses, disputes blaming wild horses as the main vector, critiques herbicide-and-reseed approaches, and emphasizes long-term rest from grazing to allow native seed banks and bunchgrasses to recover and resist reinvasion. Cheatgrass Monograph www.westernwatersheds.org 04:40 About Western Watersheds Project 07:40 Overgrazing Impacts 11:22 Grazing Economics Reality 18:50 Pivot to Cheatgrass 19:13 Cheatgrass Origins Spread 21:47 Grazing Link Denial 28:23 Fire Fuel Feedback 30:01 Identify Cheatgrass 31:50 Other Invasive Grasses 35:23 Invasives Ecology Ethics 43:14 New Fire Intervals 48:25 Recovery Without Cows 54:56 Cheatgrass and Ranching 58:12 Wild Horses Scapegoat 01:00:54 Herbicides Reseeding Limits 01:04:40 Manager Playbook 01:10:44 Buyouts and Restoration Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  3. Aug 9

    #85 - Reflecting on Thirty Years Defending Wilderness w/ George Nickas

    In this episode, I interview George Nickas, the outgoing executive director of Wilderness Watch. George discusses ending his 30-year tenure at Wilderness Watch as the group transitions to new executive leadership under Dana Johnson. George recounts Wilderness Watch’s origins in 1989 in response to illegal outfitter caches and proposed lodges in the River of No Return country, then describes early battles against helicopter landing zones and monitoring flights in Tongass wilderness and winning the Cumberland Island case (Wilderness Watch v. Mainella) banning motorized van tours. He highlights key litigation on wild rivers, Boundary Waters motor use, rebuilding structures, and the Buffalo Creek case opposing fish-poisoning/restocking as unlawful “trammeling,” now on appeal. George warns of agency budget cuts, policy rollbacks, recreation commercialization, chainsaw proposals, grazing impacts, and the decline of “big green” advocacy, arguing wilderness needs vigilant enforcement and champions, and a new dedicated wilderness agency overseeing these federal public lands. www.wildernesswatch.org 01:17 Why Fight Wilderness Fires 02:26 Thirty Years In 03:25 How It Began 07:00 Early Battles 10:06 Cumberland Island Case 13:04 Courts And The Act 15:18 Key Legal Wins 17:21 Buffalo Creek Untrammeled 22:10 Why Watchdogs Matter 25:24 Programs Gutted 27:13 Need A Wilderness Agency 30:05 Logging Loopholes 36:41 Fire Hysteria Pushback 38:28 Recreation Impacts 39:49 Wildlife Displacement Costs 41:00 Recreation Industry Pressure 43:07 Exceptions Eroding Wilderness 45:14 Trails Chainsaws Enforcement 49:45 Policy Attacks Funding Loopholes 57:14 Big Greens Movement Critique 01:05:15 Career Reflections Future Fight 01:10:35 Public Lands Birthright 01:12:34 Retirement Staying Involved Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  4. Jul 22

    #84 - Reimagining Wildland Firefighing w/ Tim Ingalsbee

    In this episode, I interview Tim Ingalsbee, co-founder and executive director of Firefighters United for Safety, Ethics, and Ecology (FUSEE). Tim and I discuss his critiques of the new U.S. Wildland Fire Service, arguing consolidation is framed as efficiency but functions as defunding, job shedding, and a suppression-first “Fire Force” detached from land stewardship, able to override local land managers. Tim says federal fire management is failing due to an obsolete full-suppression paradigm, reinforced by “attack all fires” directives, which wastes resources, increases hazards, and can worsen ecological damage. He advocates strategic suppression and an Alaska-style triage model, prioritizing protection of lives, communities, and infrastructure while living with fire for ecological benefit. Our conversation covers problems with thinning for timber, home ignitability and community-wide mitigation, workforce programs like the Oregon Conservation Corps, Indigenous fire stewardship, cultural change away from militarized firefighting, and FUSEE’s work promoting proactive fire management and policy reform. Firefighters United for Safety, Ethics, and Ecology (FUSEE) Oregon Conservation Corps S. 3609 (The Community Protection and Wildfire Resilience Act) H.R. 948 (The SAFE HOME Act) 03:26 New Wildland Fire Service 05:50 Consolidation Risks And Missions 10:18 Attack All Fires Directive 14:29 Strategic Suppression Triage 18:33 Smokey Bear Myths 22:35 Thinning/Prescribed Fire Debate 28:05 Home Ignition Zone Focus 32:47 Community Workforce Programs 35:46 Preparing Communities For Fire 38:03 Fireproofing Homes First 39:28 Oregon Conservation Corps Model 40:28 Indigenous Fire Stewardship 44:53 Living in the Pyrocene 47:04 Militarized Firefighting Culture 49:31 Toxic Tools and Home Hazmat 52:31 Firefighters as Stewards 55:23 Epiphanies on the Fireline 59:51 FUSEE Mission and Advocacy 01:01:08 Prescribed Burn Smoke Concerns Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  5. Jun 30

    #82 - What Grizzlies & Wilderness Can Teach Us w/ Dave Stalling

    I this episode, I interview Dave Stalling, writer and wildlife advocate based in Missoula, Montana. Dave recounts his time serving in Marine Corps Force Recon, struggling for years with self-acceptance, and finding his footing by spending long periods alone in remote Montana wildlands, influenced by Doug Peacock’s Grizzly Years and writers like Edward Abbey and Jack Turner. Dave explains his deep connection to grizzlies as teachers of humility, and critiques how modern hunting culture, commercialization, and hunter-dominated agencies use “science” to justify politically driven predator killing and maximizing harvest of game animals. Dave argues wildlife management should include all citizens, discusses ballot initiatives, and shares how hiking with his son Cory, who has a muscular disease, taught him to slow down, notice small details, and practice “forest bathing.” https://substack.com/@davidstalling Doug Peacock’s Grizzly Years Jack Turner’s The Abstract Wild 01:47 Meet David Stalling 03:27 Gray Hair Hypocrisy 05:21 Force Recon Self Acceptance 08:32 Father Roots in Wild 12:53 Grizzlies Teach Humility 16:43 Hunting Culture Critique 17:32 Anti Hunter Who Hunts 25:20 Science Versus Politics 27:03 Elk Bears Misused Science 34:59 Commercialized Hunting Takeover 37:51 Conservation Groups Letdown 38:51 Reforming Wildlife Management 40:33 Ballot Initiatives vs Science 45:31 Calling Out Hunter Culture 47:54 How Dave Learned to Write 53:05 Lessons From Cory 58:18 Rethinking Wild Places 01:03:56 Forest Bathing and Healing 01:07:17 Public Lands Are Everything Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  6. Jun 16

    #81 - Western Colorado Public Lands and Politics w/ Alex Kelloff

    In this episode, I interview Alex Kelloff, a first-time candidate running in Colorado’s 3rd Congressional District. Alex launched his campaign after Donald Trump’s 2024 reelection, citing concerns about January 6, public-lands selloffs and leasing for oil and gas, federal land-agency staffing cuts, and opposition to Republican Rep. Jeff Hurd and Project 2025-style policies. We discuss top voter concerns including cost of living, rural hospital instability, Medicaid cuts, and the need for universal affordable healthcare with an independently managed public system. Drawing on a 30+ year telecom career, Alex critiques AI data-center “land grab” spending, opposes data centers in his district due to land, water, and utility constraints, and discusses renewable transmission, mining tradeoffs, and public-lands governance. https://alexkelloff.com/ 00:57 Episode Preview Alex Kelloff 02:54 Campaign Trail and Voter Struggles 05:15 Public Lands as Economic Lifeline 06:00 Inside Colorado Third District 08:13 Why He’s Running Now 10:52 Trump Era Impacts on Public Lands 12:22 Top Issues Healthcare and Hospitals 14:14 Universal Healthcare Vision 17:33 Telecom Career and Infrastructure 20:44 AI Data Centers and Public Lands 22:31 AI Land Grab 28:46 Opposing Data Centers in District 30:05 Siting Data Centers Smartly 30:43 Geothermal Drilling Risks 31:43 Mining Materials Tradeoffs 35:46 Rare Earths and War Strategy 39:05 Renewables on Public Lands 41:23 Transmission and Grid Bottlenecks 44:13 RMPs and Project 2025 49:41 Grazing Permit Retirement 51:47 Public Private Models Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

  7. Jun 6

    #80 - Fungi, Forests, and the Tiger Mill Logging Project in Walla Walla’s Municipal Watershed

    In this episode, I interview Paul Lynn, a Walla Walla, Washington-based mycology educator, business owner and public-lands advocate, about fungal ecology, mycelium networks, and how logging disrupts soils’ “sponge” function that stores and releases water. Paul links fungi to forest hydrology, climate processes, and a precautionary approach given how little is known about fungal communities. Our conversation focuses on the 38,000-acre Tiger Mill Project, a quote, unquote, “wildfire-risk-reduction timber sale” in and around Walla Walla’s heavily protected municipal watershed within a roadless area adjacent to the Wenaha-Tucannon Wilderness. Paul argues the project is a subsidized extraction effort using black-box models and flawed assumptions, risking worsening forest drying, fire behavior, sedimentation, and flood impacts in a rain-on-snow zone, and is positioned as a pilot for watershed logging elsewhere like in Bend and Portland Oregon, and Seattle, Washington. https://youtube.com/shorts/XX0jIhtVjFg https://youtube.com/shorts/qOhp9yqJidU https://youtube.com/shorts/hLPbptKCzYE https://youtube.com/shorts/fFXVC_Hldl8 Confluence Series Walla Walla Watersheds Fungaia 02:18 Meet Paul Lynn 03:41 Mycology to Ecology 06:36 Mycelium and Precaution 08:43 Logging Impacts Soil Sponge 10:47 Foraging and Drought 12:33 Disturbance Morels and Spores 15:01 Responsible Mushroom Picking 18:04 Roots and Walla Walla 20:55 Blue Mountains Microclimates 24:48 Into Forest Activism 29:15 Tiger Mill Pilot Project 32:55 Wildfire Risk Narrative 34:48 Water Stakes Floods and Fire 36:59 Why Logging Worsens Hydrology 40:21 Fire History and Recovery 41:39 Endless Management Loop 42:59 Trout After Wildfire 44:41 Local Politics And Players 48:36 Fire Risk Logging Debate 51:05 Grassroots Education Strategy 54:58 Money Grants And Liability 59:13 Tiger Mill Project Details 01:02:36 Modeling And NEPA Loopholes 01:08:12 Flood Risk And Sediment 01:12:07 Water Scarcity Big Picture 01:16:18 Confluence Series And Links Get full access to Our Public Lands Podcast at ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com/subscribe

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A podcast about our beloved and treasured public lands where I interview subject matter experts and activists from across the country who are working to protect and advocate for our public lands and their wildlife, wilderness, and cultural values. ourpubliclandspodcast.substack.com