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A podcast by 37signals about the better way to work and run your business. The REWORK podcast features the co-founders of 37signals (the makers of Basecamp and HEY), Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson sharing their unique perspective on business and entrepreneurship along with host Kimberly Rhodes.

REWORK 37signals

    • Business
    • 4.7 • 200 Ratings

A podcast by 37signals about the better way to work and run your business. The REWORK podcast features the co-founders of 37signals (the makers of Basecamp and HEY), Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson sharing their unique perspective on business and entrepreneurship along with host Kimberly Rhodes.

    A New Take on Platform Preferences

    A New Take on Platform Preferences

    David Heinemeier Hansson recently revealed that he's making the switch from Apple to Android and trading in his Mac for a PC. In this week's episode, cofounders of 37signals Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson discuss the shift in direction, the events that led to the change of platform, and what the company was missing by being focused on the Apple ecosystem. 
    Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X.
    If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode. 

    Links and Resources:
    From the Apple Newsroom: The App Store, Spotify, and Europe's Thriving Digital Music Market
    Books by 37signals
    Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
    HEY World | HEY 
    The REWORK podcast
    The Rework Podcast on YouTube
    The 37signals Dev Blog
    37signals on YouTube
    @37signals on X 

    • 26 min
    Rapid Fire with Jason & David

    Rapid Fire with Jason & David

    Kimberly is switching things up this week and taking a more casual approach with the co-founders of 37signals, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, asking them a series of rapid fire questions. Jason, for example, reveals the book that granted them permission to forge their unique path, while David shares the profound advice from Jeff Bezos about investing in things that don't change. The two of them also open up about their business journey, the meaning behind their work, and even hint toward upcoming projects. Get ready for a candid and insightful peek into the minds of Jason and David.
    Check out the full video episode on YouTube
    Key Takeaways: 
    [0:27] - How Ricardo Semler's Maverick empowered Jason
    [0:53] - David also credits Blue Ocean Strategy
    [1:25] - Best piece of advice?
    [4:39] - Productive habits?
    [6:20] - Most meaningful part of David’s and Jason’s jobs?
    [9:32] - Discussing inspirations like nature and architecture
    [11:02] - First principles, tech exploration, and aesthetics inspire David.
    [13:16] - David is embarking on a grand adventure fueled by unresolved anger.
    Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X.
    If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode. 
    Links and Resources:
    Maverick
    Blue Ocean Strategy
    Books by 37signals
    Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
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    • 15 min
    Press Releases Are Spam

    Press Releases Are Spam

    Kimberly sits down with Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson to discuss a chapter from REWORK titled “Press Releases Are Spam,” explaining why traditional press releases don't work well for their product launches. The conversation touches on the shift from formal press releases to direct-to-consumer approaches in today’s media scene. They touch upon the importance of hearing from authentic voices with skin in the game rather than relying on formulaic press releases. The founders also share insights on their personal involvement in marketing and the ups and downs of being engaged in the social media attention game.
    Check out the full video episode on YouTube
    Key Takeaways: 
    [0:40] - Press releases haven’t worked for 37signals
    [6:59] - Awkward CEO making direct-to-consumer work sets a significant trend
    [9:05] - Press releases signal desperation; personal connections more effective
    [14:17] - Authenticity trumps marketing.
    [20:24] - Don't delegate your voice; maintain direct communication
    [25:52] - Balancing the trade-offs of social media
    [27:15] - Discussing navigating the intensity of attention culture
    Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X.
    If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode. 
    Links and Resources:
    Books by 37signals
    Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
    HEY World | HEY 
    The REWORK podcast
    The Rework Podcast on YouTube
    The 37signals Dev Blog
    37signals on YouTube
    @37signals on X 
    37signals on LinkedIn 

    • 32 min
    Keep Calm and Delete the Tweet

    Keep Calm and Delete the Tweet

    Join host Kimberly in this episode for a candid chat with Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson. Diving into a recent social media controversy, they discuss the decision-making process and lessons learned. The conversation covers the challenges of public communication, navigating social media, and the importance of thinking before reacting. Gain valuable insights into managing public image, handling controversies, and balancing authenticity with professionalism. The co-founders share personal experiences, encouraging a more thoughtful approach to online interactions and providing behind-the-scenes insights into successful business communication practices.
    Check out the full video episode on YouTube
    Key Takeaways: 
    [0:25] - Discussing recent social media controversy
    [5:47] - Importance of debating ideas rather than attacking individuals
    [7:47] - The complexity of media representation
    [9:22] - Patience and perspective in online discourse
    [15:21] - Occasional regrets are part of pushing boundaries.
    [19:44] - The complexity of tradeoffs
    Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X.
    If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode. 
    Links and Resources:
    Books by 37signals
    Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
    HEY World | HEY 
    The REWORK podcast
    The Rework Podcast on YouTube
    The 37signals Dev Blog
    37signals on YouTube
    @37signals on X 
    37signals on LinkedIn 

    • 23 min
    The Myth of the Overnight Sensation

    The Myth of the Overnight Sensation

    This week, join your host Kimberly Rhodes along with the co-founders of 37signals, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson, as they celebrate Basecamp's 20th and 37signals' upcoming 25th anniversaries. The excitement extends to the success of their book REWORK, which recently surpassed a million copies sold worldwide.
    They delve especially into the chapter titled "The Myth of the Overnight Sensation," exploring the book's journey, impact, and the challenges faced during its creation. From unexpected compromises with publishers to the book's timeless nature, Jason and David share insights on treating a book as a product and how it has aged well, continuing to resonate with readers around the globe.
    Jason and David also reflect on the writing process and the book's unique qualities, including its concise nature and impactful content. Tune in for a fascinating exploration of the past, present, and potential future of 37signals’ writing about work and business.
    Check out the full video episode on YouTube
    Key Takeaways: 
    [00:39] - Big news: REWORK just surpassed a million worldwide copies sold!
    [02:13] - The book was definitely not an overnight success.
    [04:12] - How treating books as products enhances impact, and longevity.
    [05:29] - The book, initially 50,000 words, was cut in half to 25,000, which caused a conflict.
    [07:06] - Hear about the compromise that was made.
    [10:25] - The book's brevity, initially concerning, impressed the editor, leading to improvements.
    [13:58] - How the book serves as a persuasive tool, empowering readers to articulate their thoughts.
    [15:52] - David points out that the book's immediate start contributed to its success.
    [18:24] - Writing a book is overrated; instead focus on consistent online writing.
    [20:06] - REWORK’s success lies in compiling proven internet hits for lasting impact.
    [24:39] - Any plans for another book?
    Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X.
    If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode. 
    Links and Resources:
    Books by 37signals
    Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
    HEY World | HEY 
    The REWORK podcast
    The Rework Podcast on YouTube
    The 37signals Dev Blog
    37signals on YouTube
    @37signals on X 
    37signals on LinkedIn 

    • 27 min
    It's All a Judgment Call

    It's All a Judgment Call

    Chances are, you've heard Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson stress the vital role of trusting your instincts in business.
    This week, host Kimberly Rhodes takes a deeper dive into the heart of human decision-making with the co-founders of 37signals—exploring how the interplay of intuition and accumulated experiences becomes your compass for navigating the complex landscape of business decisions.
    Join Jason and David as they unravel the intricate dance between data-driven decisions and the art of making judgment calls, guiding listeners through trusting your gut and breaking free from external pressures when making product and pricing decisions.
    Listen in to discover how the power of experimentation and the 'try it and see' approach often unveil valuable insights, with reality as the ultimate judge.
    Check out the full video episode on YouTube
    Key Takeaways: 
    [00:28] - The limitations of data-driven decisions 
    [03:00] - The magic of intuition and the black-box nature of gut decisions
    [04:53] - The role of market feedback in evaluating the effectiveness of decisions
    [06:39] - Cutting through the noise in decision making
    [09:00] - Experience and judgment in decision making
    [11:39] - Testing pricing and the importance of experimentation
    [15:45] - The crucial role of gut feelings
    [17:51] - Accepting uncertainty and avoiding perfectionism
    [21:10] - Utilizing momentum and adopting a 'try it and see' approach
    Rework is a production of 37signals. You can find show notes and transcripts on our website. Full video episodes are available on YouTube and X.
    If you have a question for Jason or David about a better way to work and run your business, leave us a voicemail at 708-628-7850 or email, and we might answer it on a future episode. 
    Links and Resources:
    From Jason's HEY World: It’s all a judgment call 
    Books by 37signals
    Sign up for a 30-day free trial at Basecamp.com
    HEY World | HEY 
    The REWORK podcast
    The Rework Podcast on YouTube
    The 37signals Dev Blog
    37signals on YouTube
    @37signals on X 
    37signals on LinkedIn 

    • 22 min

Customer Reviews

4.7 out of 5
200 Ratings

200 Ratings

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Common stuff, uncommon discussions

Great conversations about the common issues every small to medium business deals with but from a viewpoint of innovation, common sense, and, not surpringly, entrepreneurship.

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Succinct and pithy!

This podcast shares breakthrough ways to approach common business and workplace pain points.

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Informative Discussion

Very fun, down to earth, informative discussion. It feels like we are sitting at a wine bar talking about these topics.

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